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Achintya Bheda Abheda : In what manner, we are qualitatively one with God/Krishna?
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According to achintya bheda abheda philosophy started by Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, we the living entities are quality wise the same with God but are different quantity wise (i.e. those same Godly qualities are in us but in less amount or in small quantities).
So what are those qualities of God or Krishna, that we also possess? Would love to hear what the Hare Krishnas or ISKCON followers have to say.
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According to achintya bheda abheda philosophy started by Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, we the living entities are quality wise the same with God but are different quantity wise (i.e. those same Godly qualities are in us but in less amount or in small quantities).
So what are those qualities of God or Krishna, that we also possess? Would love to hear what the Hare Krishnas or ISKCON followers have to say.
krishna gaudiya-vaishnavism achintya-bheda-abheda iskcon
edited Aug 26 at 15:08
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Silence blissful love compassion - silence of mind would lead to blissful nature of Atman which in turn would make you experience of love compassion.
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 26 at 10:45
But that's part of yoga philosophy, which is silencing the mind or vritti waves and experiencing bliss or true nature of Atman. I'm more interested in Achintya bheda abheda or gaudiya vaishnava philosophy. They say we possess all qualities of Krishna. They named one or two , like Krishna loves pleasures and so do we (us indulging in sensual pleasures) ... Krishna controls Prakriti and so do we (us invading other countries and so on.) Would love to hear a few more.
– The Crimson Universe
Aug 26 at 10:57
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According to achintya bheda abheda philosophy started by Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, we the living entities are quality wise the same with God but are different quantity wise (i.e. those same Godly qualities are in us but in less amount or in small quantities).
So what are those qualities of God or Krishna, that we also possess? Would love to hear what the Hare Krishnas or ISKCON followers have to say.
krishna gaudiya-vaishnavism achintya-bheda-abheda iskcon
edited Aug 26 at 15:08
Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury
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According to achintya bheda abheda philosophy started by Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, we the living entities are quality wise the same with God but are different quantity wise (i.e. those same Godly qualities are in us but in less amount or in small quantities).
So what are those qualities of God or Krishna, that we also possess? Would love to hear what the Hare Krishnas or ISKCON followers have to say.
krishna gaudiya-vaishnavism achintya-bheda-abheda iskcon
edited Aug 26 at 15:08
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edited Aug 26 at 15:08
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The Crimson Universe
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Silence blissful love compassion - silence of mind would lead to blissful nature of Atman which in turn would make you experience of love compassion.
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 26 at 10:45
But that's part of yoga philosophy, which is silencing the mind or vritti waves and experiencing bliss or true nature of Atman. I'm more interested in Achintya bheda abheda or gaudiya vaishnava philosophy. They say we possess all qualities of Krishna. They named one or two , like Krishna loves pleasures and so do we (us indulging in sensual pleasures) ... Krishna controls Prakriti and so do we (us invading other countries and so on.) Would love to hear a few more.
– The Crimson Universe
Aug 26 at 10:57
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Silence blissful love compassion - silence of mind would lead to blissful nature of Atman which in turn would make you experience of love compassion.
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 26 at 10:45
But that's part of yoga philosophy, which is silencing the mind or vritti waves and experiencing bliss or true nature of Atman. I'm more interested in Achintya bheda abheda or gaudiya vaishnava philosophy. They say we possess all qualities of Krishna. They named one or two , like Krishna loves pleasures and so do we (us indulging in sensual pleasures) ... Krishna controls Prakriti and so do we (us invading other countries and so on.) Would love to hear a few more.
– The Crimson Universe
Aug 26 at 10:57
Silence blissful love compassion - silence of mind would lead to blissful nature of Atman which in turn would make you experience of love compassion.
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 26 at 10:45
Silence blissful love compassion - silence of mind would lead to blissful nature of Atman which in turn would make you experience of love compassion.
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 26 at 10:45
But that's part of yoga philosophy, which is silencing the mind or vritti waves and experiencing bliss or true nature of Atman. I'm more interested in Achintya bheda abheda or gaudiya vaishnava philosophy. They say we possess all qualities of Krishna. They named one or two , like Krishna loves pleasures and so do we (us indulging in sensual pleasures) ... Krishna controls Prakriti and so do we (us invading other countries and so on.) Would love to hear a few more.
– The Crimson Universe
Aug 26 at 10:57
But that's part of yoga philosophy, which is silencing the mind or vritti waves and experiencing bliss or true nature of Atman. I'm more interested in Achintya bheda abheda or gaudiya vaishnava philosophy. They say we possess all qualities of Krishna. They named one or two , like Krishna loves pleasures and so do we (us indulging in sensual pleasures) ... Krishna controls Prakriti and so do we (us invading other countries and so on.) Would love to hear a few more.
– The Crimson Universe
Aug 26 at 10:57
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According to Rupa Goswami, one of the direct disciples of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, Shri Krishna exhibits a total of sixty four qualities, of which fifty of them ordinary Jivas can possess. The following are the fifty qualities by pure devotion:
- Beautiful bodily features which automatically attract the eyes, called rucira
- Auspicious characteristics
- Extremely pleasing
- Effulgent
- Strong
- Truthful
- Fluent
- Highly Learned
- Highly intelligent
- Genius
- Artistic
- Clever
- Expert
- Grateful
- Seer by the Authority of the Scriptures
- Pure
- Self-controlled
- Steadfast
- Forbearing
- Forgiving
- Grave
- Self satisfied
- Possessing equilibrium
- Magnanimous
- Religious
- Heroic
- Compassionate
- Respectful
- Gentle
- Liberal
- Shy
- Protector of surrendered souls
- Happy
- Well-wisher to His devotees
- Controlled by love
- All auspicious
- Most Powerful
- All famous
- Popular
40 Partiality to devotees
- Very attractive to all women
- All worshipable
- All opulent
- All honorable
- The supreme controller
- Ever youthful
- Wonderful linguist
- Pleasing talker
- Determined
- Expert judge of time and circumstances
The following are the five qualities that are partially manifested in Brahma and Self-realised Jivas, and fully manifested in Sadashiva:
- Changeless
- All cognizant
- Ever fresh
- Sat-chit-ananda
- Possessing all mystic perfections
The following are the five qualities present in Narayana:
- Inconceivable potencies
- Creative
- The original source of everything
- Liberator of enemies
- Attractor of all liberated souls
Alongside the sixty qualities mentioned above, there are four more qualities which are unique only to Krishna:
61: Performer of all wonderful activities
62: Always surrounded by loving devotees
63: Wonderful player of the flute
64. Exquisite beauty
Source: http://www.radhakunda.com/personalities/krsna_64_qualities.html
Now, that doesn't mean Krishna is limited to only sixty-four qualities in Gaudiya Vaishnavism. There are actually infinite qualities of the Lord and the qualities apart from the ones stated above, are indescribable as the Gaudiya Vaishnava definition of the term "Saguna Brahman" states (Brahman comprising of infinite positive qualities).
answered Aug 26 at 15:48
Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury
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So now 64 in spirituality has greater significance from this we can know. 64 Kalai, 64 Bairava, Nataraj Thandav 64 thirumeni - seems everything linked. From this we can understand numbers like 8, 64, 9, 12, 18, 16 have greater significance in a route to Moksha
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 26 at 16:17
1
Thanks Surya. And what about the sat chit ananda. You've mentioned in your post that it's present in Shiva & Bruhma. Does that mean it's not present in us jeevas as per Gauda Vaishnavism?
– The Crimson Universe
Aug 26 at 16:33
1
@TheCrimson It is said that Brahman is sat cit ananda, and we jiva souls are small particles of Lord Krishna who is Brahman as per Bhagavad gita vedabase.com/en/bg/15/7 So we are also sat-cit-ananda in our essential nature, but in very small degree.
– brahma jijnasa
Aug 26 at 18:33
@brahmaJijnasa, I checked ur Gita link. There Prabhupada says, we are parts & parcels of the Lord ... If u ask me, parts always emanate from a whole, i.e. If we are parts now, then we must've been once united with God, not in his abode (that would mean we're still parts) but united WITHIN him, in his universal spirit ... But Prabhupad says, that we are eternally fragmented parts and upon liberation we don't become one with God ... Now my point is, If we are eternally separate, even after liberation, then why use words like fragments or parts? A fragment is a detached portion of a bigger whole.
– The Crimson Universe
Aug 26 at 21:10
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No problem Surya ... Anyone else want to take part in this debate, and make some sense to what Prabhupada actually meant there?
– The Crimson Universe
Aug 27 at 20:01
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According to Rupa Goswami, one of the direct disciples of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, Shri Krishna exhibits a total of sixty four qualities, of which fifty of them ordinary Jivas can possess. The following are the fifty qualities by pure devotion:
- Beautiful bodily features which automatically attract the eyes, called rucira
- Auspicious characteristics
- Extremely pleasing
- Effulgent
- Strong
- Truthful
- Fluent
- Highly Learned
- Highly intelligent
- Genius
- Artistic
- Clever
- Expert
- Grateful
- Seer by the Authority of the Scriptures
- Pure
- Self-controlled
- Steadfast
- Forbearing
- Forgiving
- Grave
- Self satisfied
- Possessing equilibrium
- Magnanimous
- Religious
- Heroic
- Compassionate
- Respectful
- Gentle
- Liberal
- Shy
- Protector of surrendered souls
- Happy
- Well-wisher to His devotees
- Controlled by love
- All auspicious
- Most Powerful
- All famous
- Popular
40 Partiality to devotees
- Very attractive to all women
- All worshipable
- All opulent
- All honorable
- The supreme controller
- Ever youthful
- Wonderful linguist
- Pleasing talker
- Determined
- Expert judge of time and circumstances
The following are the five qualities that are partially manifested in Brahma and Self-realised Jivas, and fully manifested in Sadashiva:
- Changeless
- All cognizant
- Ever fresh
- Sat-chit-ananda
- Possessing all mystic perfections
The following are the five qualities present in Narayana:
- Inconceivable potencies
- Creative
- The original source of everything
- Liberator of enemies
- Attractor of all liberated souls
Alongside the sixty qualities mentioned above, there are four more qualities which are unique only to Krishna:
61: Performer of all wonderful activities
62: Always surrounded by loving devotees
63: Wonderful player of the flute
64. Exquisite beauty
Source: http://www.radhakunda.com/personalities/krsna_64_qualities.html
Now, that doesn't mean Krishna is limited to only sixty-four qualities in Gaudiya Vaishnavism. There are actually infinite qualities of the Lord and the qualities apart from the ones stated above, are indescribable as the Gaudiya Vaishnava definition of the term "Saguna Brahman" states (Brahman comprising of infinite positive qualities).
answered Aug 26 at 15:48
Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury
5,2703746
1
So now 64 in spirituality has greater significance from this we can know. 64 Kalai, 64 Bairava, Nataraj Thandav 64 thirumeni - seems everything linked. From this we can understand numbers like 8, 64, 9, 12, 18, 16 have greater significance in a route to Moksha
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 26 at 16:17
1
Thanks Surya. And what about the sat chit ananda. You've mentioned in your post that it's present in Shiva & Bruhma. Does that mean it's not present in us jeevas as per Gauda Vaishnavism?
– The Crimson Universe
Aug 26 at 16:33
1
@TheCrimson It is said that Brahman is sat cit ananda, and we jiva souls are small particles of Lord Krishna who is Brahman as per Bhagavad gita vedabase.com/en/bg/15/7 So we are also sat-cit-ananda in our essential nature, but in very small degree.
– brahma jijnasa
Aug 26 at 18:33
@brahmaJijnasa, I checked ur Gita link. There Prabhupada says, we are parts & parcels of the Lord ... If u ask me, parts always emanate from a whole, i.e. If we are parts now, then we must've been once united with God, not in his abode (that would mean we're still parts) but united WITHIN him, in his universal spirit ... But Prabhupad says, that we are eternally fragmented parts and upon liberation we don't become one with God ... Now my point is, If we are eternally separate, even after liberation, then why use words like fragments or parts? A fragment is a detached portion of a bigger whole.
– The Crimson Universe
Aug 26 at 21:10
1
No problem Surya ... Anyone else want to take part in this debate, and make some sense to what Prabhupada actually meant there?
– The Crimson Universe
Aug 27 at 20:01
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According to Rupa Goswami, one of the direct disciples of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, Shri Krishna exhibits a total of sixty four qualities, of which fifty of them ordinary Jivas can possess. The following are the fifty qualities by pure devotion:
- Beautiful bodily features which automatically attract the eyes, called rucira
- Auspicious characteristics
- Extremely pleasing
- Effulgent
- Strong
- Truthful
- Fluent
- Highly Learned
- Highly intelligent
- Genius
- Artistic
- Clever
- Expert
- Grateful
- Seer by the Authority of the Scriptures
- Pure
- Self-controlled
- Steadfast
- Forbearing
- Forgiving
- Grave
- Self satisfied
- Possessing equilibrium
- Magnanimous
- Religious
- Heroic
- Compassionate
- Respectful
- Gentle
- Liberal
- Shy
- Protector of surrendered souls
- Happy
- Well-wisher to His devotees
- Controlled by love
- All auspicious
- Most Powerful
- All famous
- Popular
40 Partiality to devotees
- Very attractive to all women
- All worshipable
- All opulent
- All honorable
- The supreme controller
- Ever youthful
- Wonderful linguist
- Pleasing talker
- Determined
- Expert judge of time and circumstances
The following are the five qualities that are partially manifested in Brahma and Self-realised Jivas, and fully manifested in Sadashiva:
- Changeless
- All cognizant
- Ever fresh
- Sat-chit-ananda
- Possessing all mystic perfections
The following are the five qualities present in Narayana:
- Inconceivable potencies
- Creative
- The original source of everything
- Liberator of enemies
- Attractor of all liberated souls
Alongside the sixty qualities mentioned above, there are four more qualities which are unique only to Krishna:
61: Performer of all wonderful activities
62: Always surrounded by loving devotees
63: Wonderful player of the flute
64. Exquisite beauty
Source: http://www.radhakunda.com/personalities/krsna_64_qualities.html
Now, that doesn't mean Krishna is limited to only sixty-four qualities in Gaudiya Vaishnavism. There are actually infinite qualities of the Lord and the qualities apart from the ones stated above, are indescribable as the Gaudiya Vaishnava definition of the term "Saguna Brahman" states (Brahman comprising of infinite positive qualities).
answered Aug 26 at 15:48
Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury
5,2703746
1
So now 64 in spirituality has greater significance from this we can know. 64 Kalai, 64 Bairava, Nataraj Thandav 64 thirumeni - seems everything linked. From this we can understand numbers like 8, 64, 9, 12, 18, 16 have greater significance in a route to Moksha
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 26 at 16:17
1
Thanks Surya. And what about the sat chit ananda. You've mentioned in your post that it's present in Shiva & Bruhma. Does that mean it's not present in us jeevas as per Gauda Vaishnavism?
– The Crimson Universe
Aug 26 at 16:33
1
@TheCrimson It is said that Brahman is sat cit ananda, and we jiva souls are small particles of Lord Krishna who is Brahman as per Bhagavad gita vedabase.com/en/bg/15/7 So we are also sat-cit-ananda in our essential nature, but in very small degree.
– brahma jijnasa
Aug 26 at 18:33
@brahmaJijnasa, I checked ur Gita link. There Prabhupada says, we are parts & parcels of the Lord ... If u ask me, parts always emanate from a whole, i.e. If we are parts now, then we must've been once united with God, not in his abode (that would mean we're still parts) but united WITHIN him, in his universal spirit ... But Prabhupad says, that we are eternally fragmented parts and upon liberation we don't become one with God ... Now my point is, If we are eternally separate, even after liberation, then why use words like fragments or parts? A fragment is a detached portion of a bigger whole.
– The Crimson Universe
Aug 26 at 21:10
1
No problem Surya ... Anyone else want to take part in this debate, and make some sense to what Prabhupada actually meant there?
– The Crimson Universe
Aug 27 at 20:01
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show 5 more comments
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up vote
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According to Rupa Goswami, one of the direct disciples of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, Shri Krishna exhibits a total of sixty four qualities, of which fifty of them ordinary Jivas can possess. The following are the fifty qualities by pure devotion:
- Beautiful bodily features which automatically attract the eyes, called rucira
- Auspicious characteristics
- Extremely pleasing
- Effulgent
- Strong
- Truthful
- Fluent
- Highly Learned
- Highly intelligent
- Genius
- Artistic
- Clever
- Expert
- Grateful
- Seer by the Authority of the Scriptures
- Pure
- Self-controlled
- Steadfast
- Forbearing
- Forgiving
- Grave
- Self satisfied
- Possessing equilibrium
- Magnanimous
- Religious
- Heroic
- Compassionate
- Respectful
- Gentle
- Liberal
- Shy
- Protector of surrendered souls
- Happy
- Well-wisher to His devotees
- Controlled by love
- All auspicious
- Most Powerful
- All famous
- Popular
40 Partiality to devotees
- Very attractive to all women
- All worshipable
- All opulent
- All honorable
- The supreme controller
- Ever youthful
- Wonderful linguist
- Pleasing talker
- Determined
- Expert judge of time and circumstances
The following are the five qualities that are partially manifested in Brahma and Self-realised Jivas, and fully manifested in Sadashiva:
- Changeless
- All cognizant
- Ever fresh
- Sat-chit-ananda
- Possessing all mystic perfections
The following are the five qualities present in Narayana:
- Inconceivable potencies
- Creative
- The original source of everything
- Liberator of enemies
- Attractor of all liberated souls
Alongside the sixty qualities mentioned above, there are four more qualities which are unique only to Krishna:
61: Performer of all wonderful activities
62: Always surrounded by loving devotees
63: Wonderful player of the flute
64. Exquisite beauty
Source: http://www.radhakunda.com/personalities/krsna_64_qualities.html
Now, that doesn't mean Krishna is limited to only sixty-four qualities in Gaudiya Vaishnavism. There are actually infinite qualities of the Lord and the qualities apart from the ones stated above, are indescribable as the Gaudiya Vaishnava definition of the term "Saguna Brahman" states (Brahman comprising of infinite positive qualities).
answered Aug 26 at 15:48
Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury
5,2703746
According to Rupa Goswami, one of the direct disciples of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, Shri Krishna exhibits a total of sixty four qualities, of which fifty of them ordinary Jivas can possess. The following are the fifty qualities by pure devotion:
- Beautiful bodily features which automatically attract the eyes, called rucira
- Auspicious characteristics
- Extremely pleasing
- Effulgent
- Strong
- Truthful
- Fluent
- Highly Learned
- Highly intelligent
- Genius
- Artistic
- Clever
- Expert
- Grateful
- Seer by the Authority of the Scriptures
- Pure
- Self-controlled
- Steadfast
- Forbearing
- Forgiving
- Grave
- Self satisfied
- Possessing equilibrium
- Magnanimous
- Religious
- Heroic
- Compassionate
- Respectful
- Gentle
- Liberal
- Shy
- Protector of surrendered souls
- Happy
- Well-wisher to His devotees
- Controlled by love
- All auspicious
- Most Powerful
- All famous
- Popular
40 Partiality to devotees
- Very attractive to all women
- All worshipable
- All opulent
- All honorable
- The supreme controller
- Ever youthful
- Wonderful linguist
- Pleasing talker
- Determined
- Expert judge of time and circumstances
The following are the five qualities that are partially manifested in Brahma and Self-realised Jivas, and fully manifested in Sadashiva:
- Changeless
- All cognizant
- Ever fresh
- Sat-chit-ananda
- Possessing all mystic perfections
The following are the five qualities present in Narayana:
- Inconceivable potencies
- Creative
- The original source of everything
- Liberator of enemies
- Attractor of all liberated souls
Alongside the sixty qualities mentioned above, there are four more qualities which are unique only to Krishna:
61: Performer of all wonderful activities
62: Always surrounded by loving devotees
63: Wonderful player of the flute
64. Exquisite beauty
Source: http://www.radhakunda.com/personalities/krsna_64_qualities.html
Now, that doesn't mean Krishna is limited to only sixty-four qualities in Gaudiya Vaishnavism. There are actually infinite qualities of the Lord and the qualities apart from the ones stated above, are indescribable as the Gaudiya Vaishnava definition of the term "Saguna Brahman" states (Brahman comprising of infinite positive qualities).
answered Aug 26 at 15:48
Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury
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edited Aug 27 at 5:54
answered Aug 26 at 15:48
Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury
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answered Aug 26 at 15:48
Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury
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answered Aug 26 at 15:48
Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury
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So now 64 in spirituality has greater significance from this we can know. 64 Kalai, 64 Bairava, Nataraj Thandav 64 thirumeni - seems everything linked. From this we can understand numbers like 8, 64, 9, 12, 18, 16 have greater significance in a route to Moksha
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 26 at 16:17
1
Thanks Surya. And what about the sat chit ananda. You've mentioned in your post that it's present in Shiva & Bruhma. Does that mean it's not present in us jeevas as per Gauda Vaishnavism?
– The Crimson Universe
Aug 26 at 16:33
1
@TheCrimson It is said that Brahman is sat cit ananda, and we jiva souls are small particles of Lord Krishna who is Brahman as per Bhagavad gita vedabase.com/en/bg/15/7 So we are also sat-cit-ananda in our essential nature, but in very small degree.
– brahma jijnasa
Aug 26 at 18:33
@brahmaJijnasa, I checked ur Gita link. There Prabhupada says, we are parts & parcels of the Lord ... If u ask me, parts always emanate from a whole, i.e. If we are parts now, then we must've been once united with God, not in his abode (that would mean we're still parts) but united WITHIN him, in his universal spirit ... But Prabhupad says, that we are eternally fragmented parts and upon liberation we don't become one with God ... Now my point is, If we are eternally separate, even after liberation, then why use words like fragments or parts? A fragment is a detached portion of a bigger whole.
– The Crimson Universe
Aug 26 at 21:10
1
No problem Surya ... Anyone else want to take part in this debate, and make some sense to what Prabhupada actually meant there?
– The Crimson Universe
Aug 27 at 20:01
 |Â
show 5 more comments
1
So now 64 in spirituality has greater significance from this we can know. 64 Kalai, 64 Bairava, Nataraj Thandav 64 thirumeni - seems everything linked. From this we can understand numbers like 8, 64, 9, 12, 18, 16 have greater significance in a route to Moksha
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 26 at 16:17
1
Thanks Surya. And what about the sat chit ananda. You've mentioned in your post that it's present in Shiva & Bruhma. Does that mean it's not present in us jeevas as per Gauda Vaishnavism?
– The Crimson Universe
Aug 26 at 16:33
1
@TheCrimson It is said that Brahman is sat cit ananda, and we jiva souls are small particles of Lord Krishna who is Brahman as per Bhagavad gita vedabase.com/en/bg/15/7 So we are also sat-cit-ananda in our essential nature, but in very small degree.
– brahma jijnasa
Aug 26 at 18:33
@brahmaJijnasa, I checked ur Gita link. There Prabhupada says, we are parts & parcels of the Lord ... If u ask me, parts always emanate from a whole, i.e. If we are parts now, then we must've been once united with God, not in his abode (that would mean we're still parts) but united WITHIN him, in his universal spirit ... But Prabhupad says, that we are eternally fragmented parts and upon liberation we don't become one with God ... Now my point is, If we are eternally separate, even after liberation, then why use words like fragments or parts? A fragment is a detached portion of a bigger whole.
– The Crimson Universe
Aug 26 at 21:10
1
No problem Surya ... Anyone else want to take part in this debate, and make some sense to what Prabhupada actually meant there?
– The Crimson Universe
Aug 27 at 20:01
1
1
So now 64 in spirituality has greater significance from this we can know. 64 Kalai, 64 Bairava, Nataraj Thandav 64 thirumeni - seems everything linked. From this we can understand numbers like 8, 64, 9, 12, 18, 16 have greater significance in a route to Moksha
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 26 at 16:17
So now 64 in spirituality has greater significance from this we can know. 64 Kalai, 64 Bairava, Nataraj Thandav 64 thirumeni - seems everything linked. From this we can understand numbers like 8, 64, 9, 12, 18, 16 have greater significance in a route to Moksha
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 26 at 16:17
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Thanks Surya. And what about the sat chit ananda. You've mentioned in your post that it's present in Shiva & Bruhma. Does that mean it's not present in us jeevas as per Gauda Vaishnavism?
– The Crimson Universe
Aug 26 at 16:33
Thanks Surya. And what about the sat chit ananda. You've mentioned in your post that it's present in Shiva & Bruhma. Does that mean it's not present in us jeevas as per Gauda Vaishnavism?
– The Crimson Universe
Aug 26 at 16:33
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@TheCrimson It is said that Brahman is sat cit ananda, and we jiva souls are small particles of Lord Krishna who is Brahman as per Bhagavad gita vedabase.com/en/bg/15/7 So we are also sat-cit-ananda in our essential nature, but in very small degree.
– brahma jijnasa
Aug 26 at 18:33
@TheCrimson It is said that Brahman is sat cit ananda, and we jiva souls are small particles of Lord Krishna who is Brahman as per Bhagavad gita vedabase.com/en/bg/15/7 So we are also sat-cit-ananda in our essential nature, but in very small degree.
– brahma jijnasa
Aug 26 at 18:33
@brahmaJijnasa, I checked ur Gita link. There Prabhupada says, we are parts & parcels of the Lord ... If u ask me, parts always emanate from a whole, i.e. If we are parts now, then we must've been once united with God, not in his abode (that would mean we're still parts) but united WITHIN him, in his universal spirit ... But Prabhupad says, that we are eternally fragmented parts and upon liberation we don't become one with God ... Now my point is, If we are eternally separate, even after liberation, then why use words like fragments or parts? A fragment is a detached portion of a bigger whole.
– The Crimson Universe
Aug 26 at 21:10
@brahmaJijnasa, I checked ur Gita link. There Prabhupada says, we are parts & parcels of the Lord ... If u ask me, parts always emanate from a whole, i.e. If we are parts now, then we must've been once united with God, not in his abode (that would mean we're still parts) but united WITHIN him, in his universal spirit ... But Prabhupad says, that we are eternally fragmented parts and upon liberation we don't become one with God ... Now my point is, If we are eternally separate, even after liberation, then why use words like fragments or parts? A fragment is a detached portion of a bigger whole.
– The Crimson Universe
Aug 26 at 21:10
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No problem Surya ... Anyone else want to take part in this debate, and make some sense to what Prabhupada actually meant there?
– The Crimson Universe
Aug 27 at 20:01
No problem Surya ... Anyone else want to take part in this debate, and make some sense to what Prabhupada actually meant there?
– The Crimson Universe
Aug 27 at 20:01
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Silence blissful love compassion - silence of mind would lead to blissful nature of Atman which in turn would make you experience of love compassion.
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 26 at 10:45
But that's part of yoga philosophy, which is silencing the mind or vritti waves and experiencing bliss or true nature of Atman. I'm more interested in Achintya bheda abheda or gaudiya vaishnava philosophy. They say we possess all qualities of Krishna. They named one or two , like Krishna loves pleasures and so do we (us indulging in sensual pleasures) ... Krishna controls Prakriti and so do we (us invading other countries and so on.) Would love to hear a few more.
– The Crimson Universe
Aug 26 at 10:57