Why do I often see guys saying ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã®
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Isn't ã® at the end considered feminine? Also, what should I use if I want to sound masculine or gender neutral?
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Isn't ã® at the end considered feminine? Also, what should I use if I want to sound masculine or gender neutral?
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ã® at the end of a question is not feminine. ã® used at the end of a statement is. Check link
â DXV
Aug 29 at 2:52
@DXV well my book says the opposite unless I didn't figure out something
â user27223
Aug 29 at 2:58
Please check the link I gave. It's discussed in detail over there. Also, I hear ã® at the end of questions by men all the time. I'm a man and use it too. But, I won't say something like ãÂÂãÂÂãªã® or çÂ¥ãÂÂãªãÂÂã®. These are feminine.
â DXV
Aug 29 at 3:04
In the image you posted, ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã® may be originally feminine, but it's not anymore as far as I know (23 yrs in Japan). However, Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã® is definitely feminine, even now.
â DXV
Aug 29 at 3:06
@DXV ah thanks the link you gave really helped
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Isn't ã® at the end considered feminine? Also, what should I use if I want to sound masculine or gender neutral?
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Isn't ã® at the end considered feminine? Also, what should I use if I want to sound masculine or gender neutral?
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ã® at the end of a question is not feminine. ã® used at the end of a statement is. Check link
â DXV
Aug 29 at 2:52
@DXV well my book says the opposite unless I didn't figure out something
â user27223
Aug 29 at 2:58
Please check the link I gave. It's discussed in detail over there. Also, I hear ã® at the end of questions by men all the time. I'm a man and use it too. But, I won't say something like ãÂÂãÂÂãªã® or çÂ¥ãÂÂãªãÂÂã®. These are feminine.
â DXV
Aug 29 at 3:04
In the image you posted, ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã® may be originally feminine, but it's not anymore as far as I know (23 yrs in Japan). However, Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã® is definitely feminine, even now.
â DXV
Aug 29 at 3:06
@DXV ah thanks the link you gave really helped
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Aug 29 at 3:24
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ã® at the end of a question is not feminine. ã® used at the end of a statement is. Check link
â DXV
Aug 29 at 2:52
@DXV well my book says the opposite unless I didn't figure out something
â user27223
Aug 29 at 2:58
Please check the link I gave. It's discussed in detail over there. Also, I hear ã® at the end of questions by men all the time. I'm a man and use it too. But, I won't say something like ãÂÂãÂÂãªã® or çÂ¥ãÂÂãªãÂÂã®. These are feminine.
â DXV
Aug 29 at 3:04
In the image you posted, ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã® may be originally feminine, but it's not anymore as far as I know (23 yrs in Japan). However, Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã® is definitely feminine, even now.
â DXV
Aug 29 at 3:06
@DXV ah thanks the link you gave really helped
â user27223
Aug 29 at 3:24
ã® at the end of a question is not feminine. ã® used at the end of a statement is. Check link
â DXV
Aug 29 at 2:52
ã® at the end of a question is not feminine. ã® used at the end of a statement is. Check link
â DXV
Aug 29 at 2:52
@DXV well my book says the opposite unless I didn't figure out something
â user27223
Aug 29 at 2:58
@DXV well my book says the opposite unless I didn't figure out something
â user27223
Aug 29 at 2:58
Please check the link I gave. It's discussed in detail over there. Also, I hear ã® at the end of questions by men all the time. I'm a man and use it too. But, I won't say something like ãÂÂãÂÂãªã® or çÂ¥ãÂÂãªãÂÂã®. These are feminine.
â DXV
Aug 29 at 3:04
Please check the link I gave. It's discussed in detail over there. Also, I hear ã® at the end of questions by men all the time. I'm a man and use it too. But, I won't say something like ãÂÂãÂÂãªã® or çÂ¥ãÂÂãªãÂÂã®. These are feminine.
â DXV
Aug 29 at 3:04
In the image you posted, ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã® may be originally feminine, but it's not anymore as far as I know (23 yrs in Japan). However, Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã® is definitely feminine, even now.
â DXV
Aug 29 at 3:06
In the image you posted, ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã® may be originally feminine, but it's not anymore as far as I know (23 yrs in Japan). However, Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã® is definitely feminine, even now.
â DXV
Aug 29 at 3:06
@DXV ah thanks the link you gave really helped
â user27223
Aug 29 at 3:24
@DXV ah thanks the link you gave really helped
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Aug 29 at 3:24
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That chart is not incorrect but maybe a little misleading. Here's my impression (I dropped ã and ã because it's usually dropped in informal sentences):
- ä½ÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂã®ï¼Â: gender neutral, very common
- ä½ÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã ï¼Â: masculine, highly blunt, can be accusatory
- ä½ÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂï¼Â: masculine, gentle, mainly in fiction
- Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂã®ãÂÂ/ ãÂÂã‹ÂÂè¦Âã¦ãÂÂã®ãÂÂ: feminine, mainly in fiction
- Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂ/ ãÂÂã‹ÂÂè¦Âã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂ: masculine, blunt, mainly in fiction
In the real world, Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã® and Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã are both uncommon. People usually simply omit ã® (e.g., "Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂ", "Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂ", "ãÂÂã‹ÂÂè¦Âã¦ãÂÂãÂÂ" as an answer to "ä½ÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂã®ï¼Â"). If they really need the nuance of ã®, they add something else after ã®/ã®ã (e.g., "Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂã©ãÂÂ", "Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂ", "Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã (kansai)").
1) Are you saying that Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂã® is feminine as a statement/answer, but Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂã® as a question is okay for men? 2) You say that Ã¥ÂÂå¼· is more likely than Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã® and Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã (statements/answers), but what about a verb where you can't just omit ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂ, e.g. what would be the most common way to reply that "I am eating"? Would it just be é£Âã¹ã¦ãÂÂã or é£Âã¹ã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã or something else? Thanks.
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Aug 29 at 5:52
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@user3856370 1) Yes. 2) Good point, I edited my answer. ã® is not commonly used in this situation unless you need to emphasize it.
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I agree with the discussion at the link that DXV sent. I also agree with DVX's implication that the image you sent may be outdated. Please let me elaborate:
For the specific phrase:
ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã®ï¼Â
I think the tone of one's voice is more important than the actual use of ã® at the end. It is possible to say this in a masculine way, a feminine way, and a gender-neutral way, simply by modulating your voice.
I also think that the image is missing an important third possibility:
ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂ
This sounds masculine to me, and
ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂï¼Â
sounds like an older man.
Considering the image you sent, if I knew:
- There are two people
- One is a man and one is a woman
- Person A asked ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã®@and Person B asked ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂï¼Â
then I would say:
- It highly likely that Person A is the woman and Person B is the man
- It's quite likely that Person B is an older man.
However, this doesn't mean it is always possible to associate ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã®@with a specific gender.
So I think an updated version of the image you sent might say:
ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂï¼ (likely an older male)
ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã ã (likely a young male)
ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã®@(male or female)
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Using ã or ã® indicates a reason when giving an answer. An answer for a reason would end for "~ã®ã§ãÂÂ" for "that's why...". ã is more common is spoken (informal) language and the ã§ãÂÂãÂÂis either omitted or changed to ã .
Thus the question "ä½Âãªã«ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã®?" is asking the reason for "what are you doing?" or "what are you doing that for?". Notice that it gives emphasis in much the way as the phrase in English. Of course, this is also achieved with tone of voice. If you aren't sure which to use "ä½Âãªã«ãÂÂ[ã¦ãÂÂãÂÂ]LLH?" with a rising pitch accent is gender neutral.
It is acceptable for men to use the "feminine" forms at times but it is considered more blunt if women use the "masculine" form. Notice that feminine form more closely resembles the polite "ä½Âãªã«ãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã®ã§ãÂÂãÂÂï¼Â" as it would be written. In general, using ã instead of ã§ã is more often used by men in Japanese.
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That chart is not incorrect but maybe a little misleading. Here's my impression (I dropped ã and ã because it's usually dropped in informal sentences):
- ä½ÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂã®ï¼Â: gender neutral, very common
- ä½ÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã ï¼Â: masculine, highly blunt, can be accusatory
- ä½ÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂï¼Â: masculine, gentle, mainly in fiction
- Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂã®ãÂÂ/ ãÂÂã‹ÂÂè¦Âã¦ãÂÂã®ãÂÂ: feminine, mainly in fiction
- Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂ/ ãÂÂã‹ÂÂè¦Âã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂ: masculine, blunt, mainly in fiction
In the real world, Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã® and Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã are both uncommon. People usually simply omit ã® (e.g., "Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂ", "Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂ", "ãÂÂã‹ÂÂè¦Âã¦ãÂÂãÂÂ" as an answer to "ä½ÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂã®ï¼Â"). If they really need the nuance of ã®, they add something else after ã®/ã®ã (e.g., "Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂã©ãÂÂ", "Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂ", "Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã (kansai)").
1) Are you saying that Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂã® is feminine as a statement/answer, but Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂã® as a question is okay for men? 2) You say that Ã¥ÂÂå¼· is more likely than Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã® and Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã (statements/answers), but what about a verb where you can't just omit ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂ, e.g. what would be the most common way to reply that "I am eating"? Would it just be é£Âã¹ã¦ãÂÂã or é£Âã¹ã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã or something else? Thanks.
â user3856370
Aug 29 at 5:52
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@user3856370 1) Yes. 2) Good point, I edited my answer. ã® is not commonly used in this situation unless you need to emphasize it.
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That chart is not incorrect but maybe a little misleading. Here's my impression (I dropped ã and ã because it's usually dropped in informal sentences):
- ä½ÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂã®ï¼Â: gender neutral, very common
- ä½ÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã ï¼Â: masculine, highly blunt, can be accusatory
- ä½ÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂï¼Â: masculine, gentle, mainly in fiction
- Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂã®ãÂÂ/ ãÂÂã‹ÂÂè¦Âã¦ãÂÂã®ãÂÂ: feminine, mainly in fiction
- Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂ/ ãÂÂã‹ÂÂè¦Âã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂ: masculine, blunt, mainly in fiction
In the real world, Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã® and Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã are both uncommon. People usually simply omit ã® (e.g., "Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂ", "Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂ", "ãÂÂã‹ÂÂè¦Âã¦ãÂÂãÂÂ" as an answer to "ä½ÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂã®ï¼Â"). If they really need the nuance of ã®, they add something else after ã®/ã®ã (e.g., "Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂã©ãÂÂ", "Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂ", "Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã (kansai)").
1) Are you saying that Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂã® is feminine as a statement/answer, but Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂã® as a question is okay for men? 2) You say that Ã¥ÂÂå¼· is more likely than Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã® and Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã (statements/answers), but what about a verb where you can't just omit ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂ, e.g. what would be the most common way to reply that "I am eating"? Would it just be é£Âã¹ã¦ãÂÂã or é£Âã¹ã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã or something else? Thanks.
â user3856370
Aug 29 at 5:52
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@user3856370 1) Yes. 2) Good point, I edited my answer. ã® is not commonly used in this situation unless you need to emphasize it.
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That chart is not incorrect but maybe a little misleading. Here's my impression (I dropped ã and ã because it's usually dropped in informal sentences):
- ä½ÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂã®ï¼Â: gender neutral, very common
- ä½ÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã ï¼Â: masculine, highly blunt, can be accusatory
- ä½ÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂï¼Â: masculine, gentle, mainly in fiction
- Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂã®ãÂÂ/ ãÂÂã‹ÂÂè¦Âã¦ãÂÂã®ãÂÂ: feminine, mainly in fiction
- Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂ/ ãÂÂã‹ÂÂè¦Âã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂ: masculine, blunt, mainly in fiction
In the real world, Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã® and Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã are both uncommon. People usually simply omit ã® (e.g., "Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂ", "Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂ", "ãÂÂã‹ÂÂè¦Âã¦ãÂÂãÂÂ" as an answer to "ä½ÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂã®ï¼Â"). If they really need the nuance of ã®, they add something else after ã®/ã®ã (e.g., "Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂã©ãÂÂ", "Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂ", "Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã (kansai)").
That chart is not incorrect but maybe a little misleading. Here's my impression (I dropped ã and ã because it's usually dropped in informal sentences):
- ä½ÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂã®ï¼Â: gender neutral, very common
- ä½ÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã ï¼Â: masculine, highly blunt, can be accusatory
- ä½ÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂï¼Â: masculine, gentle, mainly in fiction
- Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂã®ãÂÂ/ ãÂÂã‹ÂÂè¦Âã¦ãÂÂã®ãÂÂ: feminine, mainly in fiction
- Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂ/ ãÂÂã‹ÂÂè¦Âã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂ: masculine, blunt, mainly in fiction
In the real world, Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã® and Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã are both uncommon. People usually simply omit ã® (e.g., "Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂ", "Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂ", "ãÂÂã‹ÂÂè¦Âã¦ãÂÂãÂÂ" as an answer to "ä½ÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂã®ï¼Â"). If they really need the nuance of ã®, they add something else after ã®/ã®ã (e.g., "Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂã©ãÂÂ", "Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂ", "Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã (kansai)").
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1) Are you saying that Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂã® is feminine as a statement/answer, but Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂã® as a question is okay for men? 2) You say that Ã¥ÂÂå¼· is more likely than Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã® and Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã (statements/answers), but what about a verb where you can't just omit ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂ, e.g. what would be the most common way to reply that "I am eating"? Would it just be é£Âã¹ã¦ãÂÂã or é£Âã¹ã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã or something else? Thanks.
â user3856370
Aug 29 at 5:52
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@user3856370 1) Yes. 2) Good point, I edited my answer. ã® is not commonly used in this situation unless you need to emphasize it.
â naruto
Aug 29 at 6:08
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1) Are you saying that Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂã® is feminine as a statement/answer, but Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂã® as a question is okay for men? 2) You say that Ã¥ÂÂå¼· is more likely than Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã® and Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã (statements/answers), but what about a verb where you can't just omit ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂ, e.g. what would be the most common way to reply that "I am eating"? Would it just be é£Âã¹ã¦ãÂÂã or é£Âã¹ã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã or something else? Thanks.
â user3856370
Aug 29 at 5:52
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@user3856370 1) Yes. 2) Good point, I edited my answer. ã® is not commonly used in this situation unless you need to emphasize it.
â naruto
Aug 29 at 6:08
1) Are you saying that Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂã® is feminine as a statement/answer, but Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂã® as a question is okay for men? 2) You say that Ã¥ÂÂå¼· is more likely than Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã® and Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã (statements/answers), but what about a verb where you can't just omit ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂ, e.g. what would be the most common way to reply that "I am eating"? Would it just be é£Âã¹ã¦ãÂÂã or é£Âã¹ã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã or something else? Thanks.
â user3856370
Aug 29 at 5:52
1) Are you saying that Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂã® is feminine as a statement/answer, but Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂã® as a question is okay for men? 2) You say that Ã¥ÂÂå¼· is more likely than Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã® and Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã (statements/answers), but what about a verb where you can't just omit ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂ, e.g. what would be the most common way to reply that "I am eating"? Would it just be é£Âã¹ã¦ãÂÂã or é£Âã¹ã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã or something else? Thanks.
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Aug 29 at 5:52
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@user3856370 1) Yes. 2) Good point, I edited my answer. ã® is not commonly used in this situation unless you need to emphasize it.
â naruto
Aug 29 at 6:08
@user3856370 1) Yes. 2) Good point, I edited my answer. ã® is not commonly used in this situation unless you need to emphasize it.
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Aug 29 at 6:08
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I agree with the discussion at the link that DXV sent. I also agree with DVX's implication that the image you sent may be outdated. Please let me elaborate:
For the specific phrase:
ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã®ï¼Â
I think the tone of one's voice is more important than the actual use of ã® at the end. It is possible to say this in a masculine way, a feminine way, and a gender-neutral way, simply by modulating your voice.
I also think that the image is missing an important third possibility:
ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂ
This sounds masculine to me, and
ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂï¼Â
sounds like an older man.
Considering the image you sent, if I knew:
- There are two people
- One is a man and one is a woman
- Person A asked ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã®@and Person B asked ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂï¼Â
then I would say:
- It highly likely that Person A is the woman and Person B is the man
- It's quite likely that Person B is an older man.
However, this doesn't mean it is always possible to associate ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã®@with a specific gender.
So I think an updated version of the image you sent might say:
ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂï¼ (likely an older male)
ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã ã (likely a young male)
ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã®@(male or female)
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I agree with the discussion at the link that DXV sent. I also agree with DVX's implication that the image you sent may be outdated. Please let me elaborate:
For the specific phrase:
ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã®ï¼Â
I think the tone of one's voice is more important than the actual use of ã® at the end. It is possible to say this in a masculine way, a feminine way, and a gender-neutral way, simply by modulating your voice.
I also think that the image is missing an important third possibility:
ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂ
This sounds masculine to me, and
ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂï¼Â
sounds like an older man.
Considering the image you sent, if I knew:
- There are two people
- One is a man and one is a woman
- Person A asked ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã®@and Person B asked ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂï¼Â
then I would say:
- It highly likely that Person A is the woman and Person B is the man
- It's quite likely that Person B is an older man.
However, this doesn't mean it is always possible to associate ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã®@with a specific gender.
So I think an updated version of the image you sent might say:
ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂï¼ (likely an older male)
ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã ã (likely a young male)
ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã®@(male or female)
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I agree with the discussion at the link that DXV sent. I also agree with DVX's implication that the image you sent may be outdated. Please let me elaborate:
For the specific phrase:
ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã®ï¼Â
I think the tone of one's voice is more important than the actual use of ã® at the end. It is possible to say this in a masculine way, a feminine way, and a gender-neutral way, simply by modulating your voice.
I also think that the image is missing an important third possibility:
ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂ
This sounds masculine to me, and
ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂï¼Â
sounds like an older man.
Considering the image you sent, if I knew:
- There are two people
- One is a man and one is a woman
- Person A asked ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã®@and Person B asked ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂï¼Â
then I would say:
- It highly likely that Person A is the woman and Person B is the man
- It's quite likely that Person B is an older man.
However, this doesn't mean it is always possible to associate ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã®@with a specific gender.
So I think an updated version of the image you sent might say:
ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂï¼ (likely an older male)
ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã ã (likely a young male)
ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã®@(male or female)
I agree with the discussion at the link that DXV sent. I also agree with DVX's implication that the image you sent may be outdated. Please let me elaborate:
For the specific phrase:
ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã®ï¼Â
I think the tone of one's voice is more important than the actual use of ã® at the end. It is possible to say this in a masculine way, a feminine way, and a gender-neutral way, simply by modulating your voice.
I also think that the image is missing an important third possibility:
ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂ
This sounds masculine to me, and
ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂï¼Â
sounds like an older man.
Considering the image you sent, if I knew:
- There are two people
- One is a man and one is a woman
- Person A asked ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã®@and Person B asked ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂï¼Â
then I would say:
- It highly likely that Person A is the woman and Person B is the man
- It's quite likely that Person B is an older man.
However, this doesn't mean it is always possible to associate ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã®@with a specific gender.
So I think an updated version of the image you sent might say:
ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã ãÂÂï¼ (likely an older male)
ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂãÂÂã ã (likely a young male)
ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã®@(male or female)
answered Aug 29 at 5:07
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Using ã or ã® indicates a reason when giving an answer. An answer for a reason would end for "~ã®ã§ãÂÂ" for "that's why...". ã is more common is spoken (informal) language and the ã§ãÂÂãÂÂis either omitted or changed to ã .
Thus the question "ä½Âãªã«ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã®?" is asking the reason for "what are you doing?" or "what are you doing that for?". Notice that it gives emphasis in much the way as the phrase in English. Of course, this is also achieved with tone of voice. If you aren't sure which to use "ä½Âãªã«ãÂÂ[ã¦ãÂÂãÂÂ]LLH?" with a rising pitch accent is gender neutral.
It is acceptable for men to use the "feminine" forms at times but it is considered more blunt if women use the "masculine" form. Notice that feminine form more closely resembles the polite "ä½Âãªã«ãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã®ã§ãÂÂãÂÂï¼Â" as it would be written. In general, using ã instead of ã§ã is more often used by men in Japanese.
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Using ã or ã® indicates a reason when giving an answer. An answer for a reason would end for "~ã®ã§ãÂÂ" for "that's why...". ã is more common is spoken (informal) language and the ã§ãÂÂãÂÂis either omitted or changed to ã .
Thus the question "ä½Âãªã«ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã®?" is asking the reason for "what are you doing?" or "what are you doing that for?". Notice that it gives emphasis in much the way as the phrase in English. Of course, this is also achieved with tone of voice. If you aren't sure which to use "ä½Âãªã«ãÂÂ[ã¦ãÂÂãÂÂ]LLH?" with a rising pitch accent is gender neutral.
It is acceptable for men to use the "feminine" forms at times but it is considered more blunt if women use the "masculine" form. Notice that feminine form more closely resembles the polite "ä½Âãªã«ãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã®ã§ãÂÂãÂÂï¼Â" as it would be written. In general, using ã instead of ã§ã is more often used by men in Japanese.
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Using ã or ã® indicates a reason when giving an answer. An answer for a reason would end for "~ã®ã§ãÂÂ" for "that's why...". ã is more common is spoken (informal) language and the ã§ãÂÂãÂÂis either omitted or changed to ã .
Thus the question "ä½Âãªã«ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã®?" is asking the reason for "what are you doing?" or "what are you doing that for?". Notice that it gives emphasis in much the way as the phrase in English. Of course, this is also achieved with tone of voice. If you aren't sure which to use "ä½Âãªã«ãÂÂ[ã¦ãÂÂãÂÂ]LLH?" with a rising pitch accent is gender neutral.
It is acceptable for men to use the "feminine" forms at times but it is considered more blunt if women use the "masculine" form. Notice that feminine form more closely resembles the polite "ä½Âãªã«ãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã®ã§ãÂÂãÂÂï¼Â" as it would be written. In general, using ã instead of ã§ã is more often used by men in Japanese.
Using ã or ã® indicates a reason when giving an answer. An answer for a reason would end for "~ã®ã§ãÂÂ" for "that's why...". ã is more common is spoken (informal) language and the ã§ãÂÂãÂÂis either omitted or changed to ã .
Thus the question "ä½Âãªã«ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã®?" is asking the reason for "what are you doing?" or "what are you doing that for?". Notice that it gives emphasis in much the way as the phrase in English. Of course, this is also achieved with tone of voice. If you aren't sure which to use "ä½Âãªã«ãÂÂ[ã¦ãÂÂãÂÂ]LLH?" with a rising pitch accent is gender neutral.
It is acceptable for men to use the "feminine" forms at times but it is considered more blunt if women use the "masculine" form. Notice that feminine form more closely resembles the polite "ä½Âãªã«ãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã®ã§ãÂÂãÂÂï¼Â" as it would be written. In general, using ã instead of ã§ã is more often used by men in Japanese.
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ã® at the end of a question is not feminine. ã® used at the end of a statement is. Check link
â DXV
Aug 29 at 2:52
@DXV well my book says the opposite unless I didn't figure out something
â user27223
Aug 29 at 2:58
Please check the link I gave. It's discussed in detail over there. Also, I hear ã® at the end of questions by men all the time. I'm a man and use it too. But, I won't say something like ãÂÂãÂÂãªã® or çÂ¥ãÂÂãªãÂÂã®. These are feminine.
â DXV
Aug 29 at 3:04
In the image you posted, ä½ÂãÂÂãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã® may be originally feminine, but it's not anymore as far as I know (23 yrs in Japan). However, Ã¥ÂÂå¼·ãÂÂã¦ãÂÂãÂÂã® is definitely feminine, even now.
â DXV
Aug 29 at 3:06
@DXV ah thanks the link you gave really helped
â user27223
Aug 29 at 3:24