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I currently work in France where the law states that a 3 month notice must be given to the employer when leaving a position. I am currently trying to move to the USA, where employers are not very sympathetic with my situation, and I have an offer for a job starting in 6 to 8 weeks, ie before the end of my notice period. Does anybody have any advice about how to talk my current employer into letting me leave early?
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I currently work in France where the law states that a 3 month notice must be given to the employer when leaving a position. I am currently trying to move to the USA, where employers are not very sympathetic with my situation, and I have an offer for a job starting in 6 to 8 weeks, ie before the end of my notice period. Does anybody have any advice about how to talk my current employer into letting me leave early?
ethics
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Hellogb
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Yes you can negotiate it down. In the worst case you are taken to court and pay a fine.
– Hellogb
May 4 '14 at 20:41
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Can you get fired ? What constitutes "gross moral turpitude" in France?
– NobodySpecial
May 4 '14 at 22:38
Are you considered a "cadre" or a normal employee here. And could you not use your Annual leave to effectively reduce your notice period.
– Pepone
May 6 '14 at 18:18
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I currently work in France where the law states that a 3 month notice must be given to the employer when leaving a position. I am currently trying to move to the USA, where employers are not very sympathetic with my situation, and I have an offer for a job starting in 6 to 8 weeks, ie before the end of my notice period. Does anybody have any advice about how to talk my current employer into letting me leave early?
ethics
asked May 4 '14 at 19:54
Hellogb
333
I currently work in France where the law states that a 3 month notice must be given to the employer when leaving a position. I am currently trying to move to the USA, where employers are not very sympathetic with my situation, and I have an offer for a job starting in 6 to 8 weeks, ie before the end of my notice period. Does anybody have any advice about how to talk my current employer into letting me leave early?
ethics
asked May 4 '14 at 19:54
Hellogb
333
asked May 4 '14 at 19:54
Hellogb
333
asked May 4 '14 at 19:54
Hellogb
333
asked May 4 '14 at 19:54
Hellogb
333
333
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Yes you can negotiate it down. In the worst case you are taken to court and pay a fine.
– Hellogb
May 4 '14 at 20:41
2
Can you get fired ? What constitutes "gross moral turpitude" in France?
– NobodySpecial
May 4 '14 at 22:38
Are you considered a "cadre" or a normal employee here. And could you not use your Annual leave to effectively reduce your notice period.
– Pepone
May 6 '14 at 18:18
add a comment |Â
1
Yes you can negotiate it down. In the worst case you are taken to court and pay a fine.
– Hellogb
May 4 '14 at 20:41
2
Can you get fired ? What constitutes "gross moral turpitude" in France?
– NobodySpecial
May 4 '14 at 22:38
Are you considered a "cadre" or a normal employee here. And could you not use your Annual leave to effectively reduce your notice period.
– Pepone
May 6 '14 at 18:18
1
1
Yes you can negotiate it down. In the worst case you are taken to court and pay a fine.
– Hellogb
May 4 '14 at 20:41
Yes you can negotiate it down. In the worst case you are taken to court and pay a fine.
– Hellogb
May 4 '14 at 20:41
2
2
Can you get fired ? What constitutes "gross moral turpitude" in France?
– NobodySpecial
May 4 '14 at 22:38
Can you get fired ? What constitutes "gross moral turpitude" in France?
– NobodySpecial
May 4 '14 at 22:38
Are you considered a "cadre" or a normal employee here. And could you not use your Annual leave to effectively reduce your notice period.
– Pepone
May 6 '14 at 18:18
Are you considered a "cadre" or a normal employee here. And could you not use your Annual leave to effectively reduce your notice period.
– Pepone
May 6 '14 at 18:18
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This kind of problem should be the subject of polite and constructive negotiation.
Presumably your new US-based employer knows you are relocating from France, and presumably they offered you a job in the hopes that you will be with them for several years. The subject of the negotiation is a change of your start date at the new job of between four and six weeks. That is, objectively, not much time. So please don't exaggerate the importance of this. And please keep in mind that many companies do business around the world and are used to different employment laws in different countries.
I suggest you write to your new manager saying something like, "I need your help with something. Because of French employment law, my commitment to my present employer concludes three months after I give notice. If I am to meet my commitment, I need to start working for you on (whatever date). Is that possible? If not, what start date is possible? I personally place a high value on meeting my commitments, and I am grateful for any help you can offer me solving this problem."
Most employers like to work with people who try to meet their commitments. This sort of approach is likely to work. The manager will probably say "ok." If the manager comes back with a shorter time, he may have a good reason for it.
At any rate, then you can go to your present employer and respectfully say "what would it take for you to release me from my commitment on (date) before the three months have expired? Here is the reason for my request." They may say, "that will cost you 5000 euros." But they probably will say "finish certain work, and we will release you." They already know you're leaving.
Once you have had these conversations, you will understand your situation better.
answered May 5 '14 at 1:27
O. Jones
13.6k24070
Thanks Ollie for your answer. This is very useful. I would have responded to this in the comment section, but I don't have the privileges. My only issue is that I haven't put in my notice yet, so my current employer does not know that I am leaving. I am not sure that they will be willing to negotiate once I let them know. Perhaps I should have informed them months ago that I was looking to move to the US? Moreover, if they refuse to budge, I would probably have to turn down the offer as I would not be able to start at the date specified on the offer letter. Wouldn't this put me in a difficult
– Hellogb
May 5 '14 at 2:14
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1 Answer
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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up vote
4
down vote
accepted
This kind of problem should be the subject of polite and constructive negotiation.
Presumably your new US-based employer knows you are relocating from France, and presumably they offered you a job in the hopes that you will be with them for several years. The subject of the negotiation is a change of your start date at the new job of between four and six weeks. That is, objectively, not much time. So please don't exaggerate the importance of this. And please keep in mind that many companies do business around the world and are used to different employment laws in different countries.
I suggest you write to your new manager saying something like, "I need your help with something. Because of French employment law, my commitment to my present employer concludes three months after I give notice. If I am to meet my commitment, I need to start working for you on (whatever date). Is that possible? If not, what start date is possible? I personally place a high value on meeting my commitments, and I am grateful for any help you can offer me solving this problem."
Most employers like to work with people who try to meet their commitments. This sort of approach is likely to work. The manager will probably say "ok." If the manager comes back with a shorter time, he may have a good reason for it.
At any rate, then you can go to your present employer and respectfully say "what would it take for you to release me from my commitment on (date) before the three months have expired? Here is the reason for my request." They may say, "that will cost you 5000 euros." But they probably will say "finish certain work, and we will release you." They already know you're leaving.
Once you have had these conversations, you will understand your situation better.
answered May 5 '14 at 1:27
O. Jones
13.6k24070
Thanks Ollie for your answer. This is very useful. I would have responded to this in the comment section, but I don't have the privileges. My only issue is that I haven't put in my notice yet, so my current employer does not know that I am leaving. I am not sure that they will be willing to negotiate once I let them know. Perhaps I should have informed them months ago that I was looking to move to the US? Moreover, if they refuse to budge, I would probably have to turn down the offer as I would not be able to start at the date specified on the offer letter. Wouldn't this put me in a difficult
– Hellogb
May 5 '14 at 2:14
add a comment |Â
up vote
4
down vote
accepted
This kind of problem should be the subject of polite and constructive negotiation.
Presumably your new US-based employer knows you are relocating from France, and presumably they offered you a job in the hopes that you will be with them for several years. The subject of the negotiation is a change of your start date at the new job of between four and six weeks. That is, objectively, not much time. So please don't exaggerate the importance of this. And please keep in mind that many companies do business around the world and are used to different employment laws in different countries.
I suggest you write to your new manager saying something like, "I need your help with something. Because of French employment law, my commitment to my present employer concludes three months after I give notice. If I am to meet my commitment, I need to start working for you on (whatever date). Is that possible? If not, what start date is possible? I personally place a high value on meeting my commitments, and I am grateful for any help you can offer me solving this problem."
Most employers like to work with people who try to meet their commitments. This sort of approach is likely to work. The manager will probably say "ok." If the manager comes back with a shorter time, he may have a good reason for it.
At any rate, then you can go to your present employer and respectfully say "what would it take for you to release me from my commitment on (date) before the three months have expired? Here is the reason for my request." They may say, "that will cost you 5000 euros." But they probably will say "finish certain work, and we will release you." They already know you're leaving.
Once you have had these conversations, you will understand your situation better.
answered May 5 '14 at 1:27
O. Jones
13.6k24070
Thanks Ollie for your answer. This is very useful. I would have responded to this in the comment section, but I don't have the privileges. My only issue is that I haven't put in my notice yet, so my current employer does not know that I am leaving. I am not sure that they will be willing to negotiate once I let them know. Perhaps I should have informed them months ago that I was looking to move to the US? Moreover, if they refuse to budge, I would probably have to turn down the offer as I would not be able to start at the date specified on the offer letter. Wouldn't this put me in a difficult
– Hellogb
May 5 '14 at 2:14
add a comment |Â
up vote
4
down vote
accepted
up vote
4
down vote
accepted
This kind of problem should be the subject of polite and constructive negotiation.
Presumably your new US-based employer knows you are relocating from France, and presumably they offered you a job in the hopes that you will be with them for several years. The subject of the negotiation is a change of your start date at the new job of between four and six weeks. That is, objectively, not much time. So please don't exaggerate the importance of this. And please keep in mind that many companies do business around the world and are used to different employment laws in different countries.
I suggest you write to your new manager saying something like, "I need your help with something. Because of French employment law, my commitment to my present employer concludes three months after I give notice. If I am to meet my commitment, I need to start working for you on (whatever date). Is that possible? If not, what start date is possible? I personally place a high value on meeting my commitments, and I am grateful for any help you can offer me solving this problem."
Most employers like to work with people who try to meet their commitments. This sort of approach is likely to work. The manager will probably say "ok." If the manager comes back with a shorter time, he may have a good reason for it.
At any rate, then you can go to your present employer and respectfully say "what would it take for you to release me from my commitment on (date) before the three months have expired? Here is the reason for my request." They may say, "that will cost you 5000 euros." But they probably will say "finish certain work, and we will release you." They already know you're leaving.
Once you have had these conversations, you will understand your situation better.
answered May 5 '14 at 1:27
O. Jones
13.6k24070
This kind of problem should be the subject of polite and constructive negotiation.
Presumably your new US-based employer knows you are relocating from France, and presumably they offered you a job in the hopes that you will be with them for several years. The subject of the negotiation is a change of your start date at the new job of between four and six weeks. That is, objectively, not much time. So please don't exaggerate the importance of this. And please keep in mind that many companies do business around the world and are used to different employment laws in different countries.
I suggest you write to your new manager saying something like, "I need your help with something. Because of French employment law, my commitment to my present employer concludes three months after I give notice. If I am to meet my commitment, I need to start working for you on (whatever date). Is that possible? If not, what start date is possible? I personally place a high value on meeting my commitments, and I am grateful for any help you can offer me solving this problem."
Most employers like to work with people who try to meet their commitments. This sort of approach is likely to work. The manager will probably say "ok." If the manager comes back with a shorter time, he may have a good reason for it.
At any rate, then you can go to your present employer and respectfully say "what would it take for you to release me from my commitment on (date) before the three months have expired? Here is the reason for my request." They may say, "that will cost you 5000 euros." But they probably will say "finish certain work, and we will release you." They already know you're leaving.
Once you have had these conversations, you will understand your situation better.
answered May 5 '14 at 1:27
O. Jones
13.6k24070
answered May 5 '14 at 1:27
O. Jones
13.6k24070
answered May 5 '14 at 1:27
O. Jones
13.6k24070
answered May 5 '14 at 1:27
O. Jones
13.6k24070
13.6k24070
Thanks Ollie for your answer. This is very useful. I would have responded to this in the comment section, but I don't have the privileges. My only issue is that I haven't put in my notice yet, so my current employer does not know that I am leaving. I am not sure that they will be willing to negotiate once I let them know. Perhaps I should have informed them months ago that I was looking to move to the US? Moreover, if they refuse to budge, I would probably have to turn down the offer as I would not be able to start at the date specified on the offer letter. Wouldn't this put me in a difficult
– Hellogb
May 5 '14 at 2:14
add a comment |Â
Thanks Ollie for your answer. This is very useful. I would have responded to this in the comment section, but I don't have the privileges. My only issue is that I haven't put in my notice yet, so my current employer does not know that I am leaving. I am not sure that they will be willing to negotiate once I let them know. Perhaps I should have informed them months ago that I was looking to move to the US? Moreover, if they refuse to budge, I would probably have to turn down the offer as I would not be able to start at the date specified on the offer letter. Wouldn't this put me in a difficult
– Hellogb
May 5 '14 at 2:14
Thanks Ollie for your answer. This is very useful. I would have responded to this in the comment section, but I don't have the privileges. My only issue is that I haven't put in my notice yet, so my current employer does not know that I am leaving. I am not sure that they will be willing to negotiate once I let them know. Perhaps I should have informed them months ago that I was looking to move to the US? Moreover, if they refuse to budge, I would probably have to turn down the offer as I would not be able to start at the date specified on the offer letter. Wouldn't this put me in a difficult
– Hellogb
May 5 '14 at 2:14
Thanks Ollie for your answer. This is very useful. I would have responded to this in the comment section, but I don't have the privileges. My only issue is that I haven't put in my notice yet, so my current employer does not know that I am leaving. I am not sure that they will be willing to negotiate once I let them know. Perhaps I should have informed them months ago that I was looking to move to the US? Moreover, if they refuse to budge, I would probably have to turn down the offer as I would not be able to start at the date specified on the offer letter. Wouldn't this put me in a difficult
– Hellogb
May 5 '14 at 2:14
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Yes you can negotiate it down. In the worst case you are taken to court and pay a fine.
– Hellogb
May 4 '14 at 20:41
2
Can you get fired ? What constitutes "gross moral turpitude" in France?
– NobodySpecial
May 4 '14 at 22:38
Are you considered a "cadre" or a normal employee here. And could you not use your Annual leave to effectively reduce your notice period.
– Pepone
May 6 '14 at 18:18