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I am in the following situation:
A person in a senior position is sloppy in his job and that affects our team. As a result we spend many times working overtimes to reach deadlines but he always leaves on time no matter what. This annoys everyone especially since we do the overtime because he never does an extra effort to deliver his part as we do since he leaves on time no matter what.
So if we did not do overtime compensating for his indifference nothing would be done on time.
My question is: when complaining are making comments about the leaving hours inappropriate?
professionalism work-environment company-culture politics complaint
asked Mar 20 '14 at 20:35
Jim
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I am in the following situation:
A person in a senior position is sloppy in his job and that affects our team. As a result we spend many times working overtimes to reach deadlines but he always leaves on time no matter what. This annoys everyone especially since we do the overtime because he never does an extra effort to deliver his part as we do since he leaves on time no matter what.
So if we did not do overtime compensating for his indifference nothing would be done on time.
My question is: when complaining are making comments about the leaving hours inappropriate?
professionalism work-environment company-culture politics complaint
asked Mar 20 '14 at 20:35
Jim
1106
closed as primarily opinion-based by IDrinkandIKnowThings, CMW, jmort253♦ Mar 21 '14 at 5:25
Many good questions generate some degree of opinion based on expert experience, but answers to this question will tend to be almost entirely based on opinions, rather than facts, references, or specific expertise. If this question can be reworded to fit the rules in the help center, please edit the question.
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How well prepared are you to know what time he starts work and how much work he does in a day? Consider carefully what you do know and what you may assume here to some extent.
– JB King
Mar 20 '14 at 20:47
@JBKing:I know because I see him.And concerning to how much work that I don't know.What I do know is that he never delivers anything on time to us
– Jim
Mar 20 '14 at 20:50
We might be able to help with a question about how to approach him, but when you should do it is out of scope. It is asking for bad subjective opinions. Please See this blog post for more on Good Subjective versus Bad Subjective
– IDrinkandIKnowThings
Mar 20 '14 at 21:05
@Chad:What do you mean "when you should do it"?
– Jim
Mar 20 '14 at 21:07
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@Jim read the blog post I linked. Then try to revise your question to fit those guidelines
– IDrinkandIKnowThings
Mar 20 '14 at 21:10
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I am in the following situation:
A person in a senior position is sloppy in his job and that affects our team. As a result we spend many times working overtimes to reach deadlines but he always leaves on time no matter what. This annoys everyone especially since we do the overtime because he never does an extra effort to deliver his part as we do since he leaves on time no matter what.
So if we did not do overtime compensating for his indifference nothing would be done on time.
My question is: when complaining are making comments about the leaving hours inappropriate?
professionalism work-environment company-culture politics complaint
asked Mar 20 '14 at 20:35
Jim
1106
I am in the following situation:
A person in a senior position is sloppy in his job and that affects our team. As a result we spend many times working overtimes to reach deadlines but he always leaves on time no matter what. This annoys everyone especially since we do the overtime because he never does an extra effort to deliver his part as we do since he leaves on time no matter what.
So if we did not do overtime compensating for his indifference nothing would be done on time.
My question is: when complaining are making comments about the leaving hours inappropriate?
professionalism work-environment company-culture politics complaint
asked Mar 20 '14 at 20:35
Jim
1106
asked Mar 20 '14 at 20:35
Jim
1106
asked Mar 20 '14 at 20:35
Jim
1106
asked Mar 20 '14 at 20:35
Jim
1106
1106
closed as primarily opinion-based by IDrinkandIKnowThings, CMW, jmort253♦ Mar 21 '14 at 5:25
Many good questions generate some degree of opinion based on expert experience, but answers to this question will tend to be almost entirely based on opinions, rather than facts, references, or specific expertise. If this question can be reworded to fit the rules in the help center, please edit the question.
closed as primarily opinion-based by IDrinkandIKnowThings, CMW, jmort253♦ Mar 21 '14 at 5:25
Many good questions generate some degree of opinion based on expert experience, but answers to this question will tend to be almost entirely based on opinions, rather than facts, references, or specific expertise. If this question can be reworded to fit the rules in the help center, please edit the question.
1
How well prepared are you to know what time he starts work and how much work he does in a day? Consider carefully what you do know and what you may assume here to some extent.
– JB King
Mar 20 '14 at 20:47
@JBKing:I know because I see him.And concerning to how much work that I don't know.What I do know is that he never delivers anything on time to us
– Jim
Mar 20 '14 at 20:50
We might be able to help with a question about how to approach him, but when you should do it is out of scope. It is asking for bad subjective opinions. Please See this blog post for more on Good Subjective versus Bad Subjective
– IDrinkandIKnowThings
Mar 20 '14 at 21:05
@Chad:What do you mean "when you should do it"?
– Jim
Mar 20 '14 at 21:07
2
@Jim read the blog post I linked. Then try to revise your question to fit those guidelines
– IDrinkandIKnowThings
Mar 20 '14 at 21:10
add a comment |Â
1
How well prepared are you to know what time he starts work and how much work he does in a day? Consider carefully what you do know and what you may assume here to some extent.
– JB King
Mar 20 '14 at 20:47
@JBKing:I know because I see him.And concerning to how much work that I don't know.What I do know is that he never delivers anything on time to us
– Jim
Mar 20 '14 at 20:50
We might be able to help with a question about how to approach him, but when you should do it is out of scope. It is asking for bad subjective opinions. Please See this blog post for more on Good Subjective versus Bad Subjective
– IDrinkandIKnowThings
Mar 20 '14 at 21:05
@Chad:What do you mean "when you should do it"?
– Jim
Mar 20 '14 at 21:07
2
@Jim read the blog post I linked. Then try to revise your question to fit those guidelines
– IDrinkandIKnowThings
Mar 20 '14 at 21:10
1
1
How well prepared are you to know what time he starts work and how much work he does in a day? Consider carefully what you do know and what you may assume here to some extent.
– JB King
Mar 20 '14 at 20:47
How well prepared are you to know what time he starts work and how much work he does in a day? Consider carefully what you do know and what you may assume here to some extent.
– JB King
Mar 20 '14 at 20:47
@JBKing:I know because I see him.And concerning to how much work that I don't know.What I do know is that he never delivers anything on time to us
– Jim
Mar 20 '14 at 20:50
@JBKing:I know because I see him.And concerning to how much work that I don't know.What I do know is that he never delivers anything on time to us
– Jim
Mar 20 '14 at 20:50
We might be able to help with a question about how to approach him, but when you should do it is out of scope. It is asking for bad subjective opinions. Please See this blog post for more on Good Subjective versus Bad Subjective
– IDrinkandIKnowThings
Mar 20 '14 at 21:05
We might be able to help with a question about how to approach him, but when you should do it is out of scope. It is asking for bad subjective opinions. Please See this blog post for more on Good Subjective versus Bad Subjective
– IDrinkandIKnowThings
Mar 20 '14 at 21:05
@Chad:What do you mean "when you should do it"?
– Jim
Mar 20 '14 at 21:07
@Chad:What do you mean "when you should do it"?
– Jim
Mar 20 '14 at 21:07
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@Jim read the blog post I linked. Then try to revise your question to fit those guidelines
– IDrinkandIKnowThings
Mar 20 '14 at 21:10
@Jim read the blog post I linked. Then try to revise your question to fit those guidelines
– IDrinkandIKnowThings
Mar 20 '14 at 21:10
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He's rightly working his contracted hours. The issue is not one of overtime - you should be discussing the quality of work if that's an issue.
Perhaps you should ask yourself why you continue to give free work to the company? Would they provide free services/products to their customers?
answered Mar 20 '14 at 20:42
Dan
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But our overtime is caused by not him doing any extra effort. Had he taken the responsibility and say to the management "this can not be done as I need to leave 5pm sharp" that would be fine. But he does not say anything and we are paying the price like fools
– Jim
Mar 20 '14 at 20:53
@L_7337:Actually part of the problem is his poor work quality that makes us do the extra work. The complaints are a lot but his indifference for us and leaving on time is really annoying. But I don't know if it is professional to bring this up
– Jim
Mar 20 '14 at 21:06
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@Jim - the answer being provided here is that not professional to talk about his hours but that it is appropriate to talk about the quality of his work.
– IDrinkandIKnowThings
Mar 20 '14 at 21:07
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Good Answers here explain why they are correct not just what the answer is. This answer lacks the why.
– IDrinkandIKnowThings
Mar 20 '14 at 21:08
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It's inappropriate to discuss working hours from a subordinate to a supervisor, largely because that shouldn't be your problem or issue. After all, the boss can drive his/her company into the ground if he/she wants to. Alternatively, it would really be an issue for your boss's boss to deal with, if it really is a problem.
The real issue here is that you are not receiving the resources or tools to be able to do your job, which directly affects your performance at that job. This is something that you can professionally discuss with your boss, either one-on-one or as a group.
answered Mar 20 '14 at 23:13
panoptical
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Who said it is my boss?
– Jim
Mar 21 '14 at 7:19
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2 Answers
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oldest
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He's rightly working his contracted hours. The issue is not one of overtime - you should be discussing the quality of work if that's an issue.
Perhaps you should ask yourself why you continue to give free work to the company? Would they provide free services/products to their customers?
answered Mar 20 '14 at 20:42
Dan
8,74133636
But our overtime is caused by not him doing any extra effort. Had he taken the responsibility and say to the management "this can not be done as I need to leave 5pm sharp" that would be fine. But he does not say anything and we are paying the price like fools
– Jim
Mar 20 '14 at 20:53
@L_7337:Actually part of the problem is his poor work quality that makes us do the extra work. The complaints are a lot but his indifference for us and leaving on time is really annoying. But I don't know if it is professional to bring this up
– Jim
Mar 20 '14 at 21:06
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@Jim - the answer being provided here is that not professional to talk about his hours but that it is appropriate to talk about the quality of his work.
– IDrinkandIKnowThings
Mar 20 '14 at 21:07
1
Good Answers here explain why they are correct not just what the answer is. This answer lacks the why.
– IDrinkandIKnowThings
Mar 20 '14 at 21:08
add a comment |Â
up vote
3
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He's rightly working his contracted hours. The issue is not one of overtime - you should be discussing the quality of work if that's an issue.
Perhaps you should ask yourself why you continue to give free work to the company? Would they provide free services/products to their customers?
answered Mar 20 '14 at 20:42
Dan
8,74133636
But our overtime is caused by not him doing any extra effort. Had he taken the responsibility and say to the management "this can not be done as I need to leave 5pm sharp" that would be fine. But he does not say anything and we are paying the price like fools
– Jim
Mar 20 '14 at 20:53
@L_7337:Actually part of the problem is his poor work quality that makes us do the extra work. The complaints are a lot but his indifference for us and leaving on time is really annoying. But I don't know if it is professional to bring this up
– Jim
Mar 20 '14 at 21:06
3
@Jim - the answer being provided here is that not professional to talk about his hours but that it is appropriate to talk about the quality of his work.
– IDrinkandIKnowThings
Mar 20 '14 at 21:07
1
Good Answers here explain why they are correct not just what the answer is. This answer lacks the why.
– IDrinkandIKnowThings
Mar 20 '14 at 21:08
add a comment |Â
up vote
3
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up vote
3
down vote
He's rightly working his contracted hours. The issue is not one of overtime - you should be discussing the quality of work if that's an issue.
Perhaps you should ask yourself why you continue to give free work to the company? Would they provide free services/products to their customers?
answered Mar 20 '14 at 20:42
Dan
8,74133636
He's rightly working his contracted hours. The issue is not one of overtime - you should be discussing the quality of work if that's an issue.
Perhaps you should ask yourself why you continue to give free work to the company? Would they provide free services/products to their customers?
answered Mar 20 '14 at 20:42
Dan
8,74133636
answered Mar 20 '14 at 20:42
Dan
8,74133636
answered Mar 20 '14 at 20:42
Dan
8,74133636
answered Mar 20 '14 at 20:42
Dan
8,74133636
8,74133636
But our overtime is caused by not him doing any extra effort. Had he taken the responsibility and say to the management "this can not be done as I need to leave 5pm sharp" that would be fine. But he does not say anything and we are paying the price like fools
– Jim
Mar 20 '14 at 20:53
@L_7337:Actually part of the problem is his poor work quality that makes us do the extra work. The complaints are a lot but his indifference for us and leaving on time is really annoying. But I don't know if it is professional to bring this up
– Jim
Mar 20 '14 at 21:06
3
@Jim - the answer being provided here is that not professional to talk about his hours but that it is appropriate to talk about the quality of his work.
– IDrinkandIKnowThings
Mar 20 '14 at 21:07
1
Good Answers here explain why they are correct not just what the answer is. This answer lacks the why.
– IDrinkandIKnowThings
Mar 20 '14 at 21:08
add a comment |Â
But our overtime is caused by not him doing any extra effort. Had he taken the responsibility and say to the management "this can not be done as I need to leave 5pm sharp" that would be fine. But he does not say anything and we are paying the price like fools
– Jim
Mar 20 '14 at 20:53
@L_7337:Actually part of the problem is his poor work quality that makes us do the extra work. The complaints are a lot but his indifference for us and leaving on time is really annoying. But I don't know if it is professional to bring this up
– Jim
Mar 20 '14 at 21:06
3
@Jim - the answer being provided here is that not professional to talk about his hours but that it is appropriate to talk about the quality of his work.
– IDrinkandIKnowThings
Mar 20 '14 at 21:07
1
Good Answers here explain why they are correct not just what the answer is. This answer lacks the why.
– IDrinkandIKnowThings
Mar 20 '14 at 21:08
But our overtime is caused by not him doing any extra effort. Had he taken the responsibility and say to the management "this can not be done as I need to leave 5pm sharp" that would be fine. But he does not say anything and we are paying the price like fools
– Jim
Mar 20 '14 at 20:53
But our overtime is caused by not him doing any extra effort. Had he taken the responsibility and say to the management "this can not be done as I need to leave 5pm sharp" that would be fine. But he does not say anything and we are paying the price like fools
– Jim
Mar 20 '14 at 20:53
@L_7337:Actually part of the problem is his poor work quality that makes us do the extra work. The complaints are a lot but his indifference for us and leaving on time is really annoying. But I don't know if it is professional to bring this up
– Jim
Mar 20 '14 at 21:06
@L_7337:Actually part of the problem is his poor work quality that makes us do the extra work. The complaints are a lot but his indifference for us and leaving on time is really annoying. But I don't know if it is professional to bring this up
– Jim
Mar 20 '14 at 21:06
3
3
@Jim - the answer being provided here is that not professional to talk about his hours but that it is appropriate to talk about the quality of his work.
– IDrinkandIKnowThings
Mar 20 '14 at 21:07
@Jim - the answer being provided here is that not professional to talk about his hours but that it is appropriate to talk about the quality of his work.
– IDrinkandIKnowThings
Mar 20 '14 at 21:07
1
1
Good Answers here explain why they are correct not just what the answer is. This answer lacks the why.
– IDrinkandIKnowThings
Mar 20 '14 at 21:08
Good Answers here explain why they are correct not just what the answer is. This answer lacks the why.
– IDrinkandIKnowThings
Mar 20 '14 at 21:08
add a comment |Â
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It's inappropriate to discuss working hours from a subordinate to a supervisor, largely because that shouldn't be your problem or issue. After all, the boss can drive his/her company into the ground if he/she wants to. Alternatively, it would really be an issue for your boss's boss to deal with, if it really is a problem.
The real issue here is that you are not receiving the resources or tools to be able to do your job, which directly affects your performance at that job. This is something that you can professionally discuss with your boss, either one-on-one or as a group.
answered Mar 20 '14 at 23:13
panoptical
3,5761538
Who said it is my boss?
– Jim
Mar 21 '14 at 7:19
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
It's inappropriate to discuss working hours from a subordinate to a supervisor, largely because that shouldn't be your problem or issue. After all, the boss can drive his/her company into the ground if he/she wants to. Alternatively, it would really be an issue for your boss's boss to deal with, if it really is a problem.
The real issue here is that you are not receiving the resources or tools to be able to do your job, which directly affects your performance at that job. This is something that you can professionally discuss with your boss, either one-on-one or as a group.
answered Mar 20 '14 at 23:13
panoptical
3,5761538
Who said it is my boss?
– Jim
Mar 21 '14 at 7:19
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
up vote
2
down vote
It's inappropriate to discuss working hours from a subordinate to a supervisor, largely because that shouldn't be your problem or issue. After all, the boss can drive his/her company into the ground if he/she wants to. Alternatively, it would really be an issue for your boss's boss to deal with, if it really is a problem.
The real issue here is that you are not receiving the resources or tools to be able to do your job, which directly affects your performance at that job. This is something that you can professionally discuss with your boss, either one-on-one or as a group.
answered Mar 20 '14 at 23:13
panoptical
3,5761538
It's inappropriate to discuss working hours from a subordinate to a supervisor, largely because that shouldn't be your problem or issue. After all, the boss can drive his/her company into the ground if he/she wants to. Alternatively, it would really be an issue for your boss's boss to deal with, if it really is a problem.
The real issue here is that you are not receiving the resources or tools to be able to do your job, which directly affects your performance at that job. This is something that you can professionally discuss with your boss, either one-on-one or as a group.
answered Mar 20 '14 at 23:13
panoptical
3,5761538
edited Mar 20 '14 at 23:23
answered Mar 20 '14 at 23:13
panoptical
3,5761538
answered Mar 20 '14 at 23:13
panoptical
3,5761538
answered Mar 20 '14 at 23:13
panoptical
3,5761538
3,5761538
Who said it is my boss?
– Jim
Mar 21 '14 at 7:19
add a comment |Â
Who said it is my boss?
– Jim
Mar 21 '14 at 7:19
Who said it is my boss?
– Jim
Mar 21 '14 at 7:19
Who said it is my boss?
– Jim
Mar 21 '14 at 7:19
add a comment |Â
1
How well prepared are you to know what time he starts work and how much work he does in a day? Consider carefully what you do know and what you may assume here to some extent.
– JB King
Mar 20 '14 at 20:47
@JBKing:I know because I see him.And concerning to how much work that I don't know.What I do know is that he never delivers anything on time to us
– Jim
Mar 20 '14 at 20:50
We might be able to help with a question about how to approach him, but when you should do it is out of scope. It is asking for bad subjective opinions. Please See this blog post for more on Good Subjective versus Bad Subjective
– IDrinkandIKnowThings
Mar 20 '14 at 21:05
@Chad:What do you mean "when you should do it"?
– Jim
Mar 20 '14 at 21:07
2
@Jim read the blog post I linked. Then try to revise your question to fit those guidelines
– IDrinkandIKnowThings
Mar 20 '14 at 21:10