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How normal is it for a job to be 'learn from google'? [closed]
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I think employers are aware that a computer science graduate isn't coming out of the job knowing whatever framework they're using inside out, and are prepared to have the employee learn on the job.
However, it seems like a lot of jobs, that the expectation of the employee is that they'll learn from googling everything.
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I find this frustrating, because I'm not learning nearly as quickly as I was at university.
My question is - how common is this attitude by employers, and how else do employers upskill their employees?
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asked Jul 29 '15 at 6:04
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I think employers are aware that a computer science graduate isn't coming out of the job knowing whatever framework they're using inside out, and are prepared to have the employee learn on the job.
However, it seems like a lot of jobs, that the expectation of the employee is that they'll learn from googling everything.
This image macro expresses this idea:
or this one:
I find this frustrating, because I'm not learning nearly as quickly as I was at university.
My question is - how common is this attitude by employers, and how else do employers upskill their employees?
software-industry learning
asked Jul 29 '15 at 6:04
dwjohnston
947515
closed as off-topic by Jan Doggen, Vietnhi Phuvan, Jane S♦, scaaahu, alroc Jul 29 '15 at 12:42
This question appears to be off-topic. The users who voted to close gave this specific reason:
- "Questions asking for advice on what to do are not practical answerable questions (e.g. "what job should I take?", or "what skills should I learn?"). Questions should get answers explaining why and how to make a decision, not advice on what to do. For more information, click here." – Vietnhi Phuvan, scaaahu, alroc
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Voting to close because we are not a research survice. Do your own surveys.
– Vietnhi Phuvan
Jul 29 '15 at 8:04
You must have had really good professors if you didn't rely on Google often.
– SomeCallMeSam
Jul 29 '15 at 8:33
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@SomeCallMeSam It's not that I didn't use Google at university, it's more that the professors provided me with structured learning and told me what I need to know.
– dwjohnston
Jul 29 '15 at 8:45
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@dwjohnston there's definitely less structured learning in the workplace. You did pay to go to school and the purpose was to teach you so it's probably an unreasonable expectation for the learning/teaching to be as high quality in the workplace. I think you're question may be slightly misinterpreted as you focus on "google" in particular and it sounds like you're wondering more about the learning environment in the office in general.
– SomeCallMeSam
Jul 29 '15 at 8:48
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I think employers are aware that a computer science graduate isn't coming out of the job knowing whatever framework they're using inside out, and are prepared to have the employee learn on the job.
However, it seems like a lot of jobs, that the expectation of the employee is that they'll learn from googling everything.
This image macro expresses this idea:
or this one:
I find this frustrating, because I'm not learning nearly as quickly as I was at university.
My question is - how common is this attitude by employers, and how else do employers upskill their employees?
software-industry learning
asked Jul 29 '15 at 6:04
dwjohnston
947515
I think employers are aware that a computer science graduate isn't coming out of the job knowing whatever framework they're using inside out, and are prepared to have the employee learn on the job.
However, it seems like a lot of jobs, that the expectation of the employee is that they'll learn from googling everything.
This image macro expresses this idea:
or this one:
I find this frustrating, because I'm not learning nearly as quickly as I was at university.
My question is - how common is this attitude by employers, and how else do employers upskill their employees?
software-industry learning
asked Jul 29 '15 at 6:04
dwjohnston
947515
edited Jul 29 '15 at 21:32
asked Jul 29 '15 at 6:04
dwjohnston
947515
asked Jul 29 '15 at 6:04
dwjohnston
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asked Jul 29 '15 at 6:04
dwjohnston
947515
947515
closed as off-topic by Jan Doggen, Vietnhi Phuvan, Jane S♦, scaaahu, alroc Jul 29 '15 at 12:42
This question appears to be off-topic. The users who voted to close gave this specific reason:
- "Questions asking for advice on what to do are not practical answerable questions (e.g. "what job should I take?", or "what skills should I learn?"). Questions should get answers explaining why and how to make a decision, not advice on what to do. For more information, click here." – Vietnhi Phuvan, scaaahu, alroc
closed as off-topic by Jan Doggen, Vietnhi Phuvan, Jane S♦, scaaahu, alroc Jul 29 '15 at 12:42
This question appears to be off-topic. The users who voted to close gave this specific reason:
- "Questions asking for advice on what to do are not practical answerable questions (e.g. "what job should I take?", or "what skills should I learn?"). Questions should get answers explaining why and how to make a decision, not advice on what to do. For more information, click here." – Vietnhi Phuvan, scaaahu, alroc
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Voting to close because we are not a research survice. Do your own surveys.
– Vietnhi Phuvan
Jul 29 '15 at 8:04
You must have had really good professors if you didn't rely on Google often.
– SomeCallMeSam
Jul 29 '15 at 8:33
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@SomeCallMeSam It's not that I didn't use Google at university, it's more that the professors provided me with structured learning and told me what I need to know.
– dwjohnston
Jul 29 '15 at 8:45
3
@dwjohnston there's definitely less structured learning in the workplace. You did pay to go to school and the purpose was to teach you so it's probably an unreasonable expectation for the learning/teaching to be as high quality in the workplace. I think you're question may be slightly misinterpreted as you focus on "google" in particular and it sounds like you're wondering more about the learning environment in the office in general.
– SomeCallMeSam
Jul 29 '15 at 8:48
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Voting to close because we are not a research survice. Do your own surveys.
– Vietnhi Phuvan
Jul 29 '15 at 8:04
You must have had really good professors if you didn't rely on Google often.
– SomeCallMeSam
Jul 29 '15 at 8:33
2
@SomeCallMeSam It's not that I didn't use Google at university, it's more that the professors provided me with structured learning and told me what I need to know.
– dwjohnston
Jul 29 '15 at 8:45
3
@dwjohnston there's definitely less structured learning in the workplace. You did pay to go to school and the purpose was to teach you so it's probably an unreasonable expectation for the learning/teaching to be as high quality in the workplace. I think you're question may be slightly misinterpreted as you focus on "google" in particular and it sounds like you're wondering more about the learning environment in the office in general.
– SomeCallMeSam
Jul 29 '15 at 8:48
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Voting to close because we are not a research survice. Do your own surveys.
– Vietnhi Phuvan
Jul 29 '15 at 8:04
Voting to close because we are not a research survice. Do your own surveys.
– Vietnhi Phuvan
Jul 29 '15 at 8:04
You must have had really good professors if you didn't rely on Google often.
– SomeCallMeSam
Jul 29 '15 at 8:33
You must have had really good professors if you didn't rely on Google often.
– SomeCallMeSam
Jul 29 '15 at 8:33
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@SomeCallMeSam It's not that I didn't use Google at university, it's more that the professors provided me with structured learning and told me what I need to know.
– dwjohnston
Jul 29 '15 at 8:45
@SomeCallMeSam It's not that I didn't use Google at university, it's more that the professors provided me with structured learning and told me what I need to know.
– dwjohnston
Jul 29 '15 at 8:45
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3
@dwjohnston there's definitely less structured learning in the workplace. You did pay to go to school and the purpose was to teach you so it's probably an unreasonable expectation for the learning/teaching to be as high quality in the workplace. I think you're question may be slightly misinterpreted as you focus on "google" in particular and it sounds like you're wondering more about the learning environment in the office in general.
– SomeCallMeSam
Jul 29 '15 at 8:48
@dwjohnston there's definitely less structured learning in the workplace. You did pay to go to school and the purpose was to teach you so it's probably an unreasonable expectation for the learning/teaching to be as high quality in the workplace. I think you're question may be slightly misinterpreted as you focus on "google" in particular and it sounds like you're wondering more about the learning environment in the office in general.
– SomeCallMeSam
Jul 29 '15 at 8:48
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Have you talked with your boss? Different people have different learning styles and different sets of knowledge. Some people prefer to learn by working through things with Google, StackOverflow, etc. Others would rather pick up some books. Others would rather go to a training class, a conference, or something else. Don't assume that your boss knows how you best learn.
Generally, coming to your boss with a solution works better than coming to him with a problem. For example, it's generally a lot more productive to bring a well thought out plan
Hey boss, as you know, I'm trying to get up to speed with X and Y for
the Smith project. I can work through it on my own but it would be a
lot more efficient for me if I could go to a training class on X so
that I understand the theory a better and so that I can make sure that
I'm doing things the right way. There is a 5-day class in X coming up
at the training center down the road that costs $$. Is that something
that we might be able to get into the training budget? If not, there
is also a local conference in X coming up at the local community
college that's a lot less expensive. I'd need to get a couple days
off to attend.
than to just dump a problem in his lap. Of course, this requires that you do the leg work of identifying what you need, identifying options that would work for you and the company. The more expensive your preferred option, the more likely you'd want to have acceptable alternatives available.
When you're thinking about options, don't forget about internal options as well. If there are a number of people learning X at the same time, perhaps you can organize some "lunch and learn" sessions where everyone takes a turn digging in to one aspect or another and presenting their research to the team. Or perhaps there is someone in the company that is an expert in X and you just need your manager to get some of that expert's time to do some teaching.
answered Jul 29 '15 at 6:20
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Have you talked with your boss? Different people have different learning styles and different sets of knowledge. Some people prefer to learn by working through things with Google, StackOverflow, etc. Others would rather pick up some books. Others would rather go to a training class, a conference, or something else. Don't assume that your boss knows how you best learn.
Generally, coming to your boss with a solution works better than coming to him with a problem. For example, it's generally a lot more productive to bring a well thought out plan
Hey boss, as you know, I'm trying to get up to speed with X and Y for
the Smith project. I can work through it on my own but it would be a
lot more efficient for me if I could go to a training class on X so
that I understand the theory a better and so that I can make sure that
I'm doing things the right way. There is a 5-day class in X coming up
at the training center down the road that costs $$. Is that something
that we might be able to get into the training budget? If not, there
is also a local conference in X coming up at the local community
college that's a lot less expensive. I'd need to get a couple days
off to attend.
than to just dump a problem in his lap. Of course, this requires that you do the leg work of identifying what you need, identifying options that would work for you and the company. The more expensive your preferred option, the more likely you'd want to have acceptable alternatives available.
When you're thinking about options, don't forget about internal options as well. If there are a number of people learning X at the same time, perhaps you can organize some "lunch and learn" sessions where everyone takes a turn digging in to one aspect or another and presenting their research to the team. Or perhaps there is someone in the company that is an expert in X and you just need your manager to get some of that expert's time to do some teaching.
answered Jul 29 '15 at 6:20
Justin Cave
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Have you talked with your boss? Different people have different learning styles and different sets of knowledge. Some people prefer to learn by working through things with Google, StackOverflow, etc. Others would rather pick up some books. Others would rather go to a training class, a conference, or something else. Don't assume that your boss knows how you best learn.
Generally, coming to your boss with a solution works better than coming to him with a problem. For example, it's generally a lot more productive to bring a well thought out plan
Hey boss, as you know, I'm trying to get up to speed with X and Y for
the Smith project. I can work through it on my own but it would be a
lot more efficient for me if I could go to a training class on X so
that I understand the theory a better and so that I can make sure that
I'm doing things the right way. There is a 5-day class in X coming up
at the training center down the road that costs $$. Is that something
that we might be able to get into the training budget? If not, there
is also a local conference in X coming up at the local community
college that's a lot less expensive. I'd need to get a couple days
off to attend.
than to just dump a problem in his lap. Of course, this requires that you do the leg work of identifying what you need, identifying options that would work for you and the company. The more expensive your preferred option, the more likely you'd want to have acceptable alternatives available.
When you're thinking about options, don't forget about internal options as well. If there are a number of people learning X at the same time, perhaps you can organize some "lunch and learn" sessions where everyone takes a turn digging in to one aspect or another and presenting their research to the team. Or perhaps there is someone in the company that is an expert in X and you just need your manager to get some of that expert's time to do some teaching.
answered Jul 29 '15 at 6:20
Justin Cave
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Have you talked with your boss? Different people have different learning styles and different sets of knowledge. Some people prefer to learn by working through things with Google, StackOverflow, etc. Others would rather pick up some books. Others would rather go to a training class, a conference, or something else. Don't assume that your boss knows how you best learn.
Generally, coming to your boss with a solution works better than coming to him with a problem. For example, it's generally a lot more productive to bring a well thought out plan
Hey boss, as you know, I'm trying to get up to speed with X and Y for
the Smith project. I can work through it on my own but it would be a
lot more efficient for me if I could go to a training class on X so
that I understand the theory a better and so that I can make sure that
I'm doing things the right way. There is a 5-day class in X coming up
at the training center down the road that costs $$. Is that something
that we might be able to get into the training budget? If not, there
is also a local conference in X coming up at the local community
college that's a lot less expensive. I'd need to get a couple days
off to attend.
than to just dump a problem in his lap. Of course, this requires that you do the leg work of identifying what you need, identifying options that would work for you and the company. The more expensive your preferred option, the more likely you'd want to have acceptable alternatives available.
When you're thinking about options, don't forget about internal options as well. If there are a number of people learning X at the same time, perhaps you can organize some "lunch and learn" sessions where everyone takes a turn digging in to one aspect or another and presenting their research to the team. Or perhaps there is someone in the company that is an expert in X and you just need your manager to get some of that expert's time to do some teaching.
answered Jul 29 '15 at 6:20
Justin Cave
34.8k9112136
Have you talked with your boss? Different people have different learning styles and different sets of knowledge. Some people prefer to learn by working through things with Google, StackOverflow, etc. Others would rather pick up some books. Others would rather go to a training class, a conference, or something else. Don't assume that your boss knows how you best learn.
Generally, coming to your boss with a solution works better than coming to him with a problem. For example, it's generally a lot more productive to bring a well thought out plan
Hey boss, as you know, I'm trying to get up to speed with X and Y for
the Smith project. I can work through it on my own but it would be a
lot more efficient for me if I could go to a training class on X so
that I understand the theory a better and so that I can make sure that
I'm doing things the right way. There is a 5-day class in X coming up
at the training center down the road that costs $$. Is that something
that we might be able to get into the training budget? If not, there
is also a local conference in X coming up at the local community
college that's a lot less expensive. I'd need to get a couple days
off to attend.
than to just dump a problem in his lap. Of course, this requires that you do the leg work of identifying what you need, identifying options that would work for you and the company. The more expensive your preferred option, the more likely you'd want to have acceptable alternatives available.
When you're thinking about options, don't forget about internal options as well. If there are a number of people learning X at the same time, perhaps you can organize some "lunch and learn" sessions where everyone takes a turn digging in to one aspect or another and presenting their research to the team. Or perhaps there is someone in the company that is an expert in X and you just need your manager to get some of that expert's time to do some teaching.
answered Jul 29 '15 at 6:20
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answered Jul 29 '15 at 6:20
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answered Jul 29 '15 at 6:20
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Voting to close because we are not a research survice. Do your own surveys.
– Vietnhi Phuvan
Jul 29 '15 at 8:04
You must have had really good professors if you didn't rely on Google often.
– SomeCallMeSam
Jul 29 '15 at 8:33
2
@SomeCallMeSam It's not that I didn't use Google at university, it's more that the professors provided me with structured learning and told me what I need to know.
– dwjohnston
Jul 29 '15 at 8:45
3
@dwjohnston there's definitely less structured learning in the workplace. You did pay to go to school and the purpose was to teach you so it's probably an unreasonable expectation for the learning/teaching to be as high quality in the workplace. I think you're question may be slightly misinterpreted as you focus on "google" in particular and it sounds like you're wondering more about the learning environment in the office in general.
– SomeCallMeSam
Jul 29 '15 at 8:48