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I've got a new job coming right up. Only thing is, my former employer could not give me my COE.
I've emailed them, texted them, Skyped them that I need it soon. I've also been very clear, that I can wait for my back pay. I told them I just need my COE first.
However, same as last time with my salary, they are not responding to my messages. My calls could not reach their numbers.
Having a COE isn't really required to apply for a company if you just resigned from the last one.
All of us former employees have this problem with our sad excuse of a boss. Not just me.
I don't understand. How could an employer not be able to print and sign some documents? If they're planning to tell everyone I've never been employed by them they're gonna have a hard time explaining that because I have internal knowledge of their projects, my colleagues have given me their references, and my prospective employers believe us.
The alternative is I don't declare my experience with my former employer. I can't remove my experience with them from my resume, however, because that will leave a five month gap in my resume.
How do I approach the situation please?
Much appreciated.
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asked Jun 8 '16 at 7:48
Jenny Tengson Mandani
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I've got a new job coming right up. Only thing is, my former employer could not give me my COE.
I've emailed them, texted them, Skyped them that I need it soon. I've also been very clear, that I can wait for my back pay. I told them I just need my COE first.
However, same as last time with my salary, they are not responding to my messages. My calls could not reach their numbers.
Having a COE isn't really required to apply for a company if you just resigned from the last one.
All of us former employees have this problem with our sad excuse of a boss. Not just me.
I don't understand. How could an employer not be able to print and sign some documents? If they're planning to tell everyone I've never been employed by them they're gonna have a hard time explaining that because I have internal knowledge of their projects, my colleagues have given me their references, and my prospective employers believe us.
The alternative is I don't declare my experience with my former employer. I can't remove my experience with them from my resume, however, because that will leave a five month gap in my resume.
How do I approach the situation please?
Much appreciated.
new-job applications employer-relations harassment philippines
asked Jun 8 '16 at 7:48
Jenny Tengson Mandani
469418
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Has the new employer demanded you present his COE? If not, what is the problem?
– morsor
Jun 8 '16 at 7:53
You should also edit your question regarding could. Can they not give it, do they say they can not give it, won't they give it - what exactly is going on?
– Jan Doggen
Jun 8 '16 at 8:05
1
I am not sure what a COE is used for but it sounds like a P45 that we have in Ireland (Document outlining what you've earned, tax you've paid, etc.). Is it possible that you weren't "on the books" i.e. not officially employed by the company? - e.g. your employer might not have been paying your tax. That's what happened to me but luckily I was starting the new job in the new year so I didn't need it.
– colmde
Jun 8 '16 at 8:17
2
"My calls could not reach their numbers." - if email and telephone don't work, there is postal mail. Send the letter and give them a deadline to respond (e.g. Please respond by ...). This makes it clear you don't want to be ignored.
– Brandin
Jun 8 '16 at 8:56
@colmde I just heard that my employers are totally not paying any taxes--mine, the other employees, and their own. I'm glad I left them. They are unscrupulous businessmen and after the COE I just want to keep communication to the absolute minimum.
– Jenny Tengson Mandani
Jun 9 '16 at 4:58
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I've got a new job coming right up. Only thing is, my former employer could not give me my COE.
I've emailed them, texted them, Skyped them that I need it soon. I've also been very clear, that I can wait for my back pay. I told them I just need my COE first.
However, same as last time with my salary, they are not responding to my messages. My calls could not reach their numbers.
Having a COE isn't really required to apply for a company if you just resigned from the last one.
All of us former employees have this problem with our sad excuse of a boss. Not just me.
I don't understand. How could an employer not be able to print and sign some documents? If they're planning to tell everyone I've never been employed by them they're gonna have a hard time explaining that because I have internal knowledge of their projects, my colleagues have given me their references, and my prospective employers believe us.
The alternative is I don't declare my experience with my former employer. I can't remove my experience with them from my resume, however, because that will leave a five month gap in my resume.
How do I approach the situation please?
Much appreciated.
new-job applications employer-relations harassment philippines
asked Jun 8 '16 at 7:48
Jenny Tengson Mandani
469418
I've got a new job coming right up. Only thing is, my former employer could not give me my COE.
I've emailed them, texted them, Skyped them that I need it soon. I've also been very clear, that I can wait for my back pay. I told them I just need my COE first.
However, same as last time with my salary, they are not responding to my messages. My calls could not reach their numbers.
Having a COE isn't really required to apply for a company if you just resigned from the last one.
All of us former employees have this problem with our sad excuse of a boss. Not just me.
I don't understand. How could an employer not be able to print and sign some documents? If they're planning to tell everyone I've never been employed by them they're gonna have a hard time explaining that because I have internal knowledge of their projects, my colleagues have given me their references, and my prospective employers believe us.
The alternative is I don't declare my experience with my former employer. I can't remove my experience with them from my resume, however, because that will leave a five month gap in my resume.
How do I approach the situation please?
Much appreciated.
new-job applications employer-relations harassment philippines
asked Jun 8 '16 at 7:48
Jenny Tengson Mandani
469418
asked Jun 8 '16 at 7:48
Jenny Tengson Mandani
469418
asked Jun 8 '16 at 7:48
Jenny Tengson Mandani
469418
asked Jun 8 '16 at 7:48
Jenny Tengson Mandani
469418
469418
3
Has the new employer demanded you present his COE? If not, what is the problem?
– morsor
Jun 8 '16 at 7:53
You should also edit your question regarding could. Can they not give it, do they say they can not give it, won't they give it - what exactly is going on?
– Jan Doggen
Jun 8 '16 at 8:05
1
I am not sure what a COE is used for but it sounds like a P45 that we have in Ireland (Document outlining what you've earned, tax you've paid, etc.). Is it possible that you weren't "on the books" i.e. not officially employed by the company? - e.g. your employer might not have been paying your tax. That's what happened to me but luckily I was starting the new job in the new year so I didn't need it.
– colmde
Jun 8 '16 at 8:17
2
"My calls could not reach their numbers." - if email and telephone don't work, there is postal mail. Send the letter and give them a deadline to respond (e.g. Please respond by ...). This makes it clear you don't want to be ignored.
– Brandin
Jun 8 '16 at 8:56
@colmde I just heard that my employers are totally not paying any taxes--mine, the other employees, and their own. I'm glad I left them. They are unscrupulous businessmen and after the COE I just want to keep communication to the absolute minimum.
– Jenny Tengson Mandani
Jun 9 '16 at 4:58
suggest improvements |Â
3
Has the new employer demanded you present his COE? If not, what is the problem?
– morsor
Jun 8 '16 at 7:53
You should also edit your question regarding could. Can they not give it, do they say they can not give it, won't they give it - what exactly is going on?
– Jan Doggen
Jun 8 '16 at 8:05
1
I am not sure what a COE is used for but it sounds like a P45 that we have in Ireland (Document outlining what you've earned, tax you've paid, etc.). Is it possible that you weren't "on the books" i.e. not officially employed by the company? - e.g. your employer might not have been paying your tax. That's what happened to me but luckily I was starting the new job in the new year so I didn't need it.
– colmde
Jun 8 '16 at 8:17
2
"My calls could not reach their numbers." - if email and telephone don't work, there is postal mail. Send the letter and give them a deadline to respond (e.g. Please respond by ...). This makes it clear you don't want to be ignored.
– Brandin
Jun 8 '16 at 8:56
@colmde I just heard that my employers are totally not paying any taxes--mine, the other employees, and their own. I'm glad I left them. They are unscrupulous businessmen and after the COE I just want to keep communication to the absolute minimum.
– Jenny Tengson Mandani
Jun 9 '16 at 4:58
3
3
Has the new employer demanded you present his COE? If not, what is the problem?
– morsor
Jun 8 '16 at 7:53
Has the new employer demanded you present his COE? If not, what is the problem?
– morsor
Jun 8 '16 at 7:53
You should also edit your question regarding could. Can they not give it, do they say they can not give it, won't they give it - what exactly is going on?
– Jan Doggen
Jun 8 '16 at 8:05
You should also edit your question regarding could. Can they not give it, do they say they can not give it, won't they give it - what exactly is going on?
– Jan Doggen
Jun 8 '16 at 8:05
1
1
I am not sure what a COE is used for but it sounds like a P45 that we have in Ireland (Document outlining what you've earned, tax you've paid, etc.). Is it possible that you weren't "on the books" i.e. not officially employed by the company? - e.g. your employer might not have been paying your tax. That's what happened to me but luckily I was starting the new job in the new year so I didn't need it.
– colmde
Jun 8 '16 at 8:17
I am not sure what a COE is used for but it sounds like a P45 that we have in Ireland (Document outlining what you've earned, tax you've paid, etc.). Is it possible that you weren't "on the books" i.e. not officially employed by the company? - e.g. your employer might not have been paying your tax. That's what happened to me but luckily I was starting the new job in the new year so I didn't need it.
– colmde
Jun 8 '16 at 8:17
2
2
"My calls could not reach their numbers." - if email and telephone don't work, there is postal mail. Send the letter and give them a deadline to respond (e.g. Please respond by ...). This makes it clear you don't want to be ignored.
– Brandin
Jun 8 '16 at 8:56
"My calls could not reach their numbers." - if email and telephone don't work, there is postal mail. Send the letter and give them a deadline to respond (e.g. Please respond by ...). This makes it clear you don't want to be ignored.
– Brandin
Jun 8 '16 at 8:56
@colmde I just heard that my employers are totally not paying any taxes--mine, the other employees, and their own. I'm glad I left them. They are unscrupulous businessmen and after the COE I just want to keep communication to the absolute minimum.
– Jenny Tengson Mandani
Jun 9 '16 at 4:58
@colmde I just heard that my employers are totally not paying any taxes--mine, the other employees, and their own. I'm glad I left them. They are unscrupulous businessmen and after the COE I just want to keep communication to the absolute minimum.
– Jenny Tengson Mandani
Jun 9 '16 at 4:58
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Document your employment through other means.
You say yourself that you don't need a COE. This legal forum seems to confirm that they have no legal obligation to provide one. That in turn should mean that an employer shouldn't require you to provide one or should allow you other ways to prove your employment if they're questioning your resume.
That same site suggests providing Social Security System payment confirmations as proof that you were employed. A commenter there claims that a company cannot refuse to prove that they've paid your SSS contributions. But take all that with a grain of salt.
If even that doesn't work and you don't want to start legal proceedings, you can use monthly or yearly pay stubs to prove that you were employed at a company.
But really, you shouldn't need to go to such lengths. You can talk about what you did at the employer and hiring managers don't typically require proof for every position you list on your resume as they normally assume good faith. I have no experience with hiring in the Phillipines but I doubt they do things that differently there.
answered Jun 8 '16 at 8:02
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If they're planning to tell everyone I've never been employed by them they're gonna have a hard time explaining that because I have internal knowledge of their projects, my colleagues have given me their references, and my prospective employers believe us.
No, they won't have a hard time you will. Releasing knowledge of internal projects of any company you worked with/for, is bound to bite you in the ass.
Why would any company hire you if you release sensitive information on the fly. Pick your fights, this one is not the one you want to pick since you clearly don't "need" the COE.
answered Jun 8 '16 at 8:31
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oldest
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2 Answers
2
active
oldest
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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up vote
4
down vote
accepted
Document your employment through other means.
You say yourself that you don't need a COE. This legal forum seems to confirm that they have no legal obligation to provide one. That in turn should mean that an employer shouldn't require you to provide one or should allow you other ways to prove your employment if they're questioning your resume.
That same site suggests providing Social Security System payment confirmations as proof that you were employed. A commenter there claims that a company cannot refuse to prove that they've paid your SSS contributions. But take all that with a grain of salt.
If even that doesn't work and you don't want to start legal proceedings, you can use monthly or yearly pay stubs to prove that you were employed at a company.
But really, you shouldn't need to go to such lengths. You can talk about what you did at the employer and hiring managers don't typically require proof for every position you list on your resume as they normally assume good faith. I have no experience with hiring in the Phillipines but I doubt they do things that differently there.
answered Jun 8 '16 at 8:02
Lilienthal♦
53.9k36183218
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
4
down vote
accepted
Document your employment through other means.
You say yourself that you don't need a COE. This legal forum seems to confirm that they have no legal obligation to provide one. That in turn should mean that an employer shouldn't require you to provide one or should allow you other ways to prove your employment if they're questioning your resume.
That same site suggests providing Social Security System payment confirmations as proof that you were employed. A commenter there claims that a company cannot refuse to prove that they've paid your SSS contributions. But take all that with a grain of salt.
If even that doesn't work and you don't want to start legal proceedings, you can use monthly or yearly pay stubs to prove that you were employed at a company.
But really, you shouldn't need to go to such lengths. You can talk about what you did at the employer and hiring managers don't typically require proof for every position you list on your resume as they normally assume good faith. I have no experience with hiring in the Phillipines but I doubt they do things that differently there.
answered Jun 8 '16 at 8:02
Lilienthal♦
53.9k36183218
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
4
down vote
accepted
up vote
4
down vote
accepted
Document your employment through other means.
You say yourself that you don't need a COE. This legal forum seems to confirm that they have no legal obligation to provide one. That in turn should mean that an employer shouldn't require you to provide one or should allow you other ways to prove your employment if they're questioning your resume.
That same site suggests providing Social Security System payment confirmations as proof that you were employed. A commenter there claims that a company cannot refuse to prove that they've paid your SSS contributions. But take all that with a grain of salt.
If even that doesn't work and you don't want to start legal proceedings, you can use monthly or yearly pay stubs to prove that you were employed at a company.
But really, you shouldn't need to go to such lengths. You can talk about what you did at the employer and hiring managers don't typically require proof for every position you list on your resume as they normally assume good faith. I have no experience with hiring in the Phillipines but I doubt they do things that differently there.
answered Jun 8 '16 at 8:02
Lilienthal♦
53.9k36183218
Document your employment through other means.
You say yourself that you don't need a COE. This legal forum seems to confirm that they have no legal obligation to provide one. That in turn should mean that an employer shouldn't require you to provide one or should allow you other ways to prove your employment if they're questioning your resume.
That same site suggests providing Social Security System payment confirmations as proof that you were employed. A commenter there claims that a company cannot refuse to prove that they've paid your SSS contributions. But take all that with a grain of salt.
If even that doesn't work and you don't want to start legal proceedings, you can use monthly or yearly pay stubs to prove that you were employed at a company.
But really, you shouldn't need to go to such lengths. You can talk about what you did at the employer and hiring managers don't typically require proof for every position you list on your resume as they normally assume good faith. I have no experience with hiring in the Phillipines but I doubt they do things that differently there.
answered Jun 8 '16 at 8:02
Lilienthal♦
53.9k36183218
answered Jun 8 '16 at 8:02
Lilienthal♦
53.9k36183218
answered Jun 8 '16 at 8:02
Lilienthal♦
53.9k36183218
answered Jun 8 '16 at 8:02
Lilienthal♦
53.9k36183218
53.9k36183218
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suggest improvements |Â
up vote
-2
down vote
If they're planning to tell everyone I've never been employed by them they're gonna have a hard time explaining that because I have internal knowledge of their projects, my colleagues have given me their references, and my prospective employers believe us.
No, they won't have a hard time you will. Releasing knowledge of internal projects of any company you worked with/for, is bound to bite you in the ass.
Why would any company hire you if you release sensitive information on the fly. Pick your fights, this one is not the one you want to pick since you clearly don't "need" the COE.
answered Jun 8 '16 at 8:31
Raoul Mensink
1,267317
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
-2
down vote
If they're planning to tell everyone I've never been employed by them they're gonna have a hard time explaining that because I have internal knowledge of their projects, my colleagues have given me their references, and my prospective employers believe us.
No, they won't have a hard time you will. Releasing knowledge of internal projects of any company you worked with/for, is bound to bite you in the ass.
Why would any company hire you if you release sensitive information on the fly. Pick your fights, this one is not the one you want to pick since you clearly don't "need" the COE.
answered Jun 8 '16 at 8:31
Raoul Mensink
1,267317
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
-2
down vote
up vote
-2
down vote
If they're planning to tell everyone I've never been employed by them they're gonna have a hard time explaining that because I have internal knowledge of their projects, my colleagues have given me their references, and my prospective employers believe us.
No, they won't have a hard time you will. Releasing knowledge of internal projects of any company you worked with/for, is bound to bite you in the ass.
Why would any company hire you if you release sensitive information on the fly. Pick your fights, this one is not the one you want to pick since you clearly don't "need" the COE.
answered Jun 8 '16 at 8:31
Raoul Mensink
1,267317
If they're planning to tell everyone I've never been employed by them they're gonna have a hard time explaining that because I have internal knowledge of their projects, my colleagues have given me their references, and my prospective employers believe us.
No, they won't have a hard time you will. Releasing knowledge of internal projects of any company you worked with/for, is bound to bite you in the ass.
Why would any company hire you if you release sensitive information on the fly. Pick your fights, this one is not the one you want to pick since you clearly don't "need" the COE.
answered Jun 8 '16 at 8:31
Raoul Mensink
1,267317
answered Jun 8 '16 at 8:31
Raoul Mensink
1,267317
answered Jun 8 '16 at 8:31
Raoul Mensink
1,267317
answered Jun 8 '16 at 8:31
Raoul Mensink
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1,267317
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3
Has the new employer demanded you present his COE? If not, what is the problem?
– morsor
Jun 8 '16 at 7:53
You should also edit your question regarding could. Can they not give it, do they say they can not give it, won't they give it - what exactly is going on?
– Jan Doggen
Jun 8 '16 at 8:05
1
I am not sure what a COE is used for but it sounds like a P45 that we have in Ireland (Document outlining what you've earned, tax you've paid, etc.). Is it possible that you weren't "on the books" i.e. not officially employed by the company? - e.g. your employer might not have been paying your tax. That's what happened to me but luckily I was starting the new job in the new year so I didn't need it.
– colmde
Jun 8 '16 at 8:17
2
"My calls could not reach their numbers." - if email and telephone don't work, there is postal mail. Send the letter and give them a deadline to respond (e.g. Please respond by ...). This makes it clear you don't want to be ignored.
– Brandin
Jun 8 '16 at 8:56
@colmde I just heard that my employers are totally not paying any taxes--mine, the other employees, and their own. I'm glad I left them. They are unscrupulous businessmen and after the COE I just want to keep communication to the absolute minimum.
– Jenny Tengson Mandani
Jun 9 '16 at 4:58