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For a UK application, calling the passport office has not helped. Can I use a software engineer/developer or programmer for this? What is the situation regarding required qualifications as so many are self taught?
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For a UK application, calling the passport office has not helped. Can I use a software engineer/developer or programmer for this? What is the situation regarding required qualifications as so many are self taught?
software-industry
edited Apr 28 '16 at 13:00
Kate Gregory
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asked Apr 28 '16 at 10:59
user3684357
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closed as off-topic by alroc, Philip Kendall, keshlam, Dawny33, gnat Apr 28 '16 at 13:52
This question appears to be off-topic. The users who voted to close gave this specific reason:
- "Questions seeking advice on company-specific regulations, agreements, or policies should be directed to your manager or HR department. Questions that address only a specific company or position are of limited use to future visitors. Questions seeking legal advice should be directed to legal professionals. For more information, click here." – Philip Kendall, keshlam, Dawny33, gnat
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To the "unclear what you're asking" close voter: some UK passport applications require a signature from someone who "either work[s] in (or be retired from) a recognised profession [or is] ‘a person of good standing in their community’". One of the "recognised professions" is "engineer - with professional qualifications". However, this is off-topic for The Workplace as it's asking for legal advice, so I've voted to close.
– Philip Kendall
Apr 28 '16 at 11:41
Flagged and recommend migrating this to Travel SE, as this is about a passport application.
– David K
Apr 28 '16 at 12:50
There is an on-line form for asking this from the horses mouth - gov.uk/passport-advice-line
– Ed Heal
Apr 28 '16 at 13:03
Better yet expatriates instead of travel; I suppose this is not about travelling but working in a foreign country.
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Apr 28 '16 at 16:24
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For a UK application, calling the passport office has not helped. Can I use a software engineer/developer or programmer for this? What is the situation regarding required qualifications as so many are self taught?
software-industry
edited Apr 28 '16 at 13:00
Kate Gregory
104k40230331
asked Apr 28 '16 at 10:59
user3684357
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For a UK application, calling the passport office has not helped. Can I use a software engineer/developer or programmer for this? What is the situation regarding required qualifications as so many are self taught?
software-industry
edited Apr 28 '16 at 13:00
Kate Gregory
104k40230331
asked Apr 28 '16 at 10:59
user3684357
1212
edited Apr 28 '16 at 13:00
Kate Gregory
104k40230331
edited Apr 28 '16 at 13:00
Kate Gregory
104k40230331
edited Apr 28 '16 at 13:00
Kate Gregory
104k40230331
104k40230331
asked Apr 28 '16 at 10:59
user3684357
1212
asked Apr 28 '16 at 10:59
user3684357
1212
asked Apr 28 '16 at 10:59
user3684357
1212
1212
closed as off-topic by alroc, Philip Kendall, keshlam, Dawny33, gnat Apr 28 '16 at 13:52
This question appears to be off-topic. The users who voted to close gave this specific reason:
- "Questions seeking advice on company-specific regulations, agreements, or policies should be directed to your manager or HR department. Questions that address only a specific company or position are of limited use to future visitors. Questions seeking legal advice should be directed to legal professionals. For more information, click here." – Philip Kendall, keshlam, Dawny33, gnat
closed as off-topic by alroc, Philip Kendall, keshlam, Dawny33, gnat Apr 28 '16 at 13:52
This question appears to be off-topic. The users who voted to close gave this specific reason:
- "Questions seeking advice on company-specific regulations, agreements, or policies should be directed to your manager or HR department. Questions that address only a specific company or position are of limited use to future visitors. Questions seeking legal advice should be directed to legal professionals. For more information, click here." – Philip Kendall, keshlam, Dawny33, gnat
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To the "unclear what you're asking" close voter: some UK passport applications require a signature from someone who "either work[s] in (or be retired from) a recognised profession [or is] ‘a person of good standing in their community’". One of the "recognised professions" is "engineer - with professional qualifications". However, this is off-topic for The Workplace as it's asking for legal advice, so I've voted to close.
– Philip Kendall
Apr 28 '16 at 11:41
Flagged and recommend migrating this to Travel SE, as this is about a passport application.
– David K
Apr 28 '16 at 12:50
There is an on-line form for asking this from the horses mouth - gov.uk/passport-advice-line
– Ed Heal
Apr 28 '16 at 13:03
Better yet expatriates instead of travel; I suppose this is not about travelling but working in a foreign country.
– gnasher729
Apr 28 '16 at 16:24
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To the "unclear what you're asking" close voter: some UK passport applications require a signature from someone who "either work[s] in (or be retired from) a recognised profession [or is] ‘a person of good standing in their community’". One of the "recognised professions" is "engineer - with professional qualifications". However, this is off-topic for The Workplace as it's asking for legal advice, so I've voted to close.
– Philip Kendall
Apr 28 '16 at 11:41
Flagged and recommend migrating this to Travel SE, as this is about a passport application.
– David K
Apr 28 '16 at 12:50
There is an on-line form for asking this from the horses mouth - gov.uk/passport-advice-line
– Ed Heal
Apr 28 '16 at 13:03
Better yet expatriates instead of travel; I suppose this is not about travelling but working in a foreign country.
– gnasher729
Apr 28 '16 at 16:24
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To the "unclear what you're asking" close voter: some UK passport applications require a signature from someone who "either work[s] in (or be retired from) a recognised profession [or is] ‘a person of good standing in their community’". One of the "recognised professions" is "engineer - with professional qualifications". However, this is off-topic for The Workplace as it's asking for legal advice, so I've voted to close.
– Philip Kendall
Apr 28 '16 at 11:41
To the "unclear what you're asking" close voter: some UK passport applications require a signature from someone who "either work[s] in (or be retired from) a recognised profession [or is] ‘a person of good standing in their community’". One of the "recognised professions" is "engineer - with professional qualifications". However, this is off-topic for The Workplace as it's asking for legal advice, so I've voted to close.
– Philip Kendall
Apr 28 '16 at 11:41
Flagged and recommend migrating this to Travel SE, as this is about a passport application.
– David K
Apr 28 '16 at 12:50
Flagged and recommend migrating this to Travel SE, as this is about a passport application.
– David K
Apr 28 '16 at 12:50
There is an on-line form for asking this from the horses mouth - gov.uk/passport-advice-line
– Ed Heal
Apr 28 '16 at 13:03
There is an on-line form for asking this from the horses mouth - gov.uk/passport-advice-line
– Ed Heal
Apr 28 '16 at 13:03
Better yet expatriates instead of travel; I suppose this is not about travelling but working in a foreign country.
– gnasher729
Apr 28 '16 at 16:24
Better yet expatriates instead of travel; I suppose this is not about travelling but working in a foreign country.
– gnasher729
Apr 28 '16 at 16:24
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I would suggest not. The mention of an engineer is a Chartered engineer. In many industries you need to have passed exams with an accreditation body (e.g. civil engineering etc) before you can call yourself an engineer. This then attests to the person's good character as a countersign for a passport, as they have (like teachers, judges, police etc) something to lose by being caught signing falsely.
see here on wikipedia:
A Chartered professional is a person who has gained a remarkable level of competence in a particular field of work and as such has been awarded a formal credential by an organization in recognition. It is considered a status of professional competency, and the Chartered status is awarded mainly by professional bodies viz. Bar Council etc. and learned societies. Common in Britain and in the Commonwealth it has been adapted by organizations around the world
In software, just about every programmer calls themselves an engineer, it doesn't have the same meaning and won't be accepted.
answered Apr 28 '16 at 11:39
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In Canada, before the recent switch to "anyone with a passport" a Professional Engineer could sign - this requires a 4 year degree and exams on law and ethics. Just having engineer in your job title was not enough, and I expect the same to hold in the UK.,
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Yes, in certain circumstances. The UK government publishes a list of qualifying countersignatories, and among those are
- engineer - with professional qualifications
- member, associate or fellow of a professional body
So someone (like me) who has the letters MBCS after his name is qualified. However, a software engineer isn't qualified simply by being in the computer industry: he has to be officially recognised -- which is where professional qualifications like MCP or membership of a professional body comes in. The latter usually awards official post-nominal letters, and many use something like "MCP" similarly.
MBCS is Member of the British Computer Society, the Chartered Institution for IT professionals. MCP is Microsoft Certified Professional, and is a proprietary (but industry-recognised) qualification. The Passport Office are OK with MBCS; I don't know of any MCPs who have countersigned applications.
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I would suggest not. The mention of an engineer is a Chartered engineer. In many industries you need to have passed exams with an accreditation body (e.g. civil engineering etc) before you can call yourself an engineer. This then attests to the person's good character as a countersign for a passport, as they have (like teachers, judges, police etc) something to lose by being caught signing falsely.
see here on wikipedia:
A Chartered professional is a person who has gained a remarkable level of competence in a particular field of work and as such has been awarded a formal credential by an organization in recognition. It is considered a status of professional competency, and the Chartered status is awarded mainly by professional bodies viz. Bar Council etc. and learned societies. Common in Britain and in the Commonwealth it has been adapted by organizations around the world
In software, just about every programmer calls themselves an engineer, it doesn't have the same meaning and won't be accepted.
answered Apr 28 '16 at 11:39
The Wandering Dev Manager
29.8k956107
In Canada, before the recent switch to "anyone with a passport" a Professional Engineer could sign - this requires a 4 year degree and exams on law and ethics. Just having engineer in your job title was not enough, and I expect the same to hold in the UK.,
– Kate Gregory
Apr 28 '16 at 13:02
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
7
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I would suggest not. The mention of an engineer is a Chartered engineer. In many industries you need to have passed exams with an accreditation body (e.g. civil engineering etc) before you can call yourself an engineer. This then attests to the person's good character as a countersign for a passport, as they have (like teachers, judges, police etc) something to lose by being caught signing falsely.
see here on wikipedia:
A Chartered professional is a person who has gained a remarkable level of competence in a particular field of work and as such has been awarded a formal credential by an organization in recognition. It is considered a status of professional competency, and the Chartered status is awarded mainly by professional bodies viz. Bar Council etc. and learned societies. Common in Britain and in the Commonwealth it has been adapted by organizations around the world
In software, just about every programmer calls themselves an engineer, it doesn't have the same meaning and won't be accepted.
answered Apr 28 '16 at 11:39
The Wandering Dev Manager
29.8k956107
In Canada, before the recent switch to "anyone with a passport" a Professional Engineer could sign - this requires a 4 year degree and exams on law and ethics. Just having engineer in your job title was not enough, and I expect the same to hold in the UK.,
– Kate Gregory
Apr 28 '16 at 13:02
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
7
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up vote
7
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I would suggest not. The mention of an engineer is a Chartered engineer. In many industries you need to have passed exams with an accreditation body (e.g. civil engineering etc) before you can call yourself an engineer. This then attests to the person's good character as a countersign for a passport, as they have (like teachers, judges, police etc) something to lose by being caught signing falsely.
see here on wikipedia:
A Chartered professional is a person who has gained a remarkable level of competence in a particular field of work and as such has been awarded a formal credential by an organization in recognition. It is considered a status of professional competency, and the Chartered status is awarded mainly by professional bodies viz. Bar Council etc. and learned societies. Common in Britain and in the Commonwealth it has been adapted by organizations around the world
In software, just about every programmer calls themselves an engineer, it doesn't have the same meaning and won't be accepted.
answered Apr 28 '16 at 11:39
The Wandering Dev Manager
29.8k956107
I would suggest not. The mention of an engineer is a Chartered engineer. In many industries you need to have passed exams with an accreditation body (e.g. civil engineering etc) before you can call yourself an engineer. This then attests to the person's good character as a countersign for a passport, as they have (like teachers, judges, police etc) something to lose by being caught signing falsely.
see here on wikipedia:
A Chartered professional is a person who has gained a remarkable level of competence in a particular field of work and as such has been awarded a formal credential by an organization in recognition. It is considered a status of professional competency, and the Chartered status is awarded mainly by professional bodies viz. Bar Council etc. and learned societies. Common in Britain and in the Commonwealth it has been adapted by organizations around the world
In software, just about every programmer calls themselves an engineer, it doesn't have the same meaning and won't be accepted.
answered Apr 28 '16 at 11:39
The Wandering Dev Manager
29.8k956107
edited Apr 28 '16 at 11:45
answered Apr 28 '16 at 11:39
The Wandering Dev Manager
29.8k956107
answered Apr 28 '16 at 11:39
The Wandering Dev Manager
29.8k956107
answered Apr 28 '16 at 11:39
The Wandering Dev Manager
29.8k956107
29.8k956107
In Canada, before the recent switch to "anyone with a passport" a Professional Engineer could sign - this requires a 4 year degree and exams on law and ethics. Just having engineer in your job title was not enough, and I expect the same to hold in the UK.,
– Kate Gregory
Apr 28 '16 at 13:02
suggest improvements |Â
In Canada, before the recent switch to "anyone with a passport" a Professional Engineer could sign - this requires a 4 year degree and exams on law and ethics. Just having engineer in your job title was not enough, and I expect the same to hold in the UK.,
– Kate Gregory
Apr 28 '16 at 13:02
In Canada, before the recent switch to "anyone with a passport" a Professional Engineer could sign - this requires a 4 year degree and exams on law and ethics. Just having engineer in your job title was not enough, and I expect the same to hold in the UK.,
– Kate Gregory
Apr 28 '16 at 13:02
In Canada, before the recent switch to "anyone with a passport" a Professional Engineer could sign - this requires a 4 year degree and exams on law and ethics. Just having engineer in your job title was not enough, and I expect the same to hold in the UK.,
– Kate Gregory
Apr 28 '16 at 13:02
suggest improvements |Â
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Yes, in certain circumstances. The UK government publishes a list of qualifying countersignatories, and among those are
- engineer - with professional qualifications
- member, associate or fellow of a professional body
So someone (like me) who has the letters MBCS after his name is qualified. However, a software engineer isn't qualified simply by being in the computer industry: he has to be officially recognised -- which is where professional qualifications like MCP or membership of a professional body comes in. The latter usually awards official post-nominal letters, and many use something like "MCP" similarly.
MBCS is Member of the British Computer Society, the Chartered Institution for IT professionals. MCP is Microsoft Certified Professional, and is a proprietary (but industry-recognised) qualification. The Passport Office are OK with MBCS; I don't know of any MCPs who have countersigned applications.
answered Apr 28 '16 at 13:46
Andrew Leach
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Yes, in certain circumstances. The UK government publishes a list of qualifying countersignatories, and among those are
- engineer - with professional qualifications
- member, associate or fellow of a professional body
So someone (like me) who has the letters MBCS after his name is qualified. However, a software engineer isn't qualified simply by being in the computer industry: he has to be officially recognised -- which is where professional qualifications like MCP or membership of a professional body comes in. The latter usually awards official post-nominal letters, and many use something like "MCP" similarly.
MBCS is Member of the British Computer Society, the Chartered Institution for IT professionals. MCP is Microsoft Certified Professional, and is a proprietary (but industry-recognised) qualification. The Passport Office are OK with MBCS; I don't know of any MCPs who have countersigned applications.
answered Apr 28 '16 at 13:46
Andrew Leach
356110
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up vote
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Yes, in certain circumstances. The UK government publishes a list of qualifying countersignatories, and among those are
- engineer - with professional qualifications
- member, associate or fellow of a professional body
So someone (like me) who has the letters MBCS after his name is qualified. However, a software engineer isn't qualified simply by being in the computer industry: he has to be officially recognised -- which is where professional qualifications like MCP or membership of a professional body comes in. The latter usually awards official post-nominal letters, and many use something like "MCP" similarly.
MBCS is Member of the British Computer Society, the Chartered Institution for IT professionals. MCP is Microsoft Certified Professional, and is a proprietary (but industry-recognised) qualification. The Passport Office are OK with MBCS; I don't know of any MCPs who have countersigned applications.
answered Apr 28 '16 at 13:46
Andrew Leach
356110
Yes, in certain circumstances. The UK government publishes a list of qualifying countersignatories, and among those are
- engineer - with professional qualifications
- member, associate or fellow of a professional body
So someone (like me) who has the letters MBCS after his name is qualified. However, a software engineer isn't qualified simply by being in the computer industry: he has to be officially recognised -- which is where professional qualifications like MCP or membership of a professional body comes in. The latter usually awards official post-nominal letters, and many use something like "MCP" similarly.
MBCS is Member of the British Computer Society, the Chartered Institution for IT professionals. MCP is Microsoft Certified Professional, and is a proprietary (but industry-recognised) qualification. The Passport Office are OK with MBCS; I don't know of any MCPs who have countersigned applications.
answered Apr 28 '16 at 13:46
Andrew Leach
356110
edited Apr 28 '16 at 14:34
answered Apr 28 '16 at 13:46
Andrew Leach
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answered Apr 28 '16 at 13:46
Andrew Leach
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answered Apr 28 '16 at 13:46
Andrew Leach
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To the "unclear what you're asking" close voter: some UK passport applications require a signature from someone who "either work[s] in (or be retired from) a recognised profession [or is] ‘a person of good standing in their community’". One of the "recognised professions" is "engineer - with professional qualifications". However, this is off-topic for The Workplace as it's asking for legal advice, so I've voted to close.
– Philip Kendall
Apr 28 '16 at 11:41
Flagged and recommend migrating this to Travel SE, as this is about a passport application.
– David K
Apr 28 '16 at 12:50
There is an on-line form for asking this from the horses mouth - gov.uk/passport-advice-line
– Ed Heal
Apr 28 '16 at 13:03
Better yet expatriates instead of travel; I suppose this is not about travelling but working in a foreign country.
– gnasher729
Apr 28 '16 at 16:24