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I work at a large US company that has a fairly standard advancement path for software developers. Something like junior, mid-level, senior, lead, and then the seemingly non-sequitur jump to dev manager.
I'm fairly happy in my role, I feel like I'm valuable and productive. But I'm getting nudged in the direction of dev lead, which I have no interest in. At my company, dev leads don't do much dev (maybe 10%). Also, I am not a natural leader and don't want to spend time honing those skills, nor do I want the added stress and responsibility.
In general, is this situation viewed negatively - specifically an employee not wanting to advance? If so, how do I frame the discussion with my manager so he knows I'm not interested without painting myself with too negative a brush, and killing any possibility of future opportunities?
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asked Aug 25 '16 at 1:14
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How can I communicate my preference to stay where I am now in my career path, and not move “up�
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I work at a large US company that has a fairly standard advancement path for software developers. Something like junior, mid-level, senior, lead, and then the seemingly non-sequitur jump to dev manager.
I'm fairly happy in my role, I feel like I'm valuable and productive. But I'm getting nudged in the direction of dev lead, which I have no interest in. At my company, dev leads don't do much dev (maybe 10%). Also, I am not a natural leader and don't want to spend time honing those skills, nor do I want the added stress and responsibility.
In general, is this situation viewed negatively - specifically an employee not wanting to advance? If so, how do I frame the discussion with my manager so he knows I'm not interested without painting myself with too negative a brush, and killing any possibility of future opportunities?
career-development promotion
asked Aug 25 '16 at 1:14
ConditionRacer
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marked as duplicate by The Wandering Dev Manager, sleske, gnat, Lilienthal♦, David K Aug 25 '16 at 12:06
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Are you currently a senior developer? You can tell them you would like to focus on dev work and feels that dev lead position doesn't fit you well.
– Nelson
Aug 25 '16 at 1:37
I am currently senior
– ConditionRacer
Aug 25 '16 at 1:49
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Don't see how any answer can be anything but opinion based and company specific. I've been in companies where you could stay as a techie, others for who the one path led to management. Whether staying as a developer affected your career depended on the company, and you can't generalise. Voting to close as opinion based.
– The Wandering Dev Manager
Aug 25 '16 at 3:13
@TheWanderingDevManager: While the details will be company-specific, you can list a number of common approaches companies take, and explain the motivation behind them. So I think you can still answer this meaningfully, though possibly in somewhat general terms.
– sleske
Aug 25 '16 at 7:15
the great thing is that there are lots of companies with a great technical career path that does not require becoming a manager, and they are hiring. They do require that you demonstrate technical leadership, but not managing other people.
– kevin cline
Aug 25 '16 at 7:57
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I work at a large US company that has a fairly standard advancement path for software developers. Something like junior, mid-level, senior, lead, and then the seemingly non-sequitur jump to dev manager.
I'm fairly happy in my role, I feel like I'm valuable and productive. But I'm getting nudged in the direction of dev lead, which I have no interest in. At my company, dev leads don't do much dev (maybe 10%). Also, I am not a natural leader and don't want to spend time honing those skills, nor do I want the added stress and responsibility.
In general, is this situation viewed negatively - specifically an employee not wanting to advance? If so, how do I frame the discussion with my manager so he knows I'm not interested without painting myself with too negative a brush, and killing any possibility of future opportunities?
career-development promotion
asked Aug 25 '16 at 1:14
ConditionRacer
1,25921019
This question already has an answer here:
How can I communicate my preference to stay where I am now in my career path, and not move “up�
17 answers
I work at a large US company that has a fairly standard advancement path for software developers. Something like junior, mid-level, senior, lead, and then the seemingly non-sequitur jump to dev manager.
I'm fairly happy in my role, I feel like I'm valuable and productive. But I'm getting nudged in the direction of dev lead, which I have no interest in. At my company, dev leads don't do much dev (maybe 10%). Also, I am not a natural leader and don't want to spend time honing those skills, nor do I want the added stress and responsibility.
In general, is this situation viewed negatively - specifically an employee not wanting to advance? If so, how do I frame the discussion with my manager so he knows I'm not interested without painting myself with too negative a brush, and killing any possibility of future opportunities?
This question already has an answer here:
How can I communicate my preference to stay where I am now in my career path, and not move “up�
17 answers
career-development promotion
asked Aug 25 '16 at 1:14
ConditionRacer
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asked Aug 25 '16 at 1:14
ConditionRacer
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asked Aug 25 '16 at 1:14
ConditionRacer
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asked Aug 25 '16 at 1:14
ConditionRacer
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marked as duplicate by The Wandering Dev Manager, sleske, gnat, Lilienthal♦, David K Aug 25 '16 at 12:06
This question has been asked before and already has an answer. If those answers do not fully address your question, please ask a new question.
marked as duplicate by The Wandering Dev Manager, sleske, gnat, Lilienthal♦, David K Aug 25 '16 at 12:06
This question has been asked before and already has an answer. If those answers do not fully address your question, please ask a new question.
Are you currently a senior developer? You can tell them you would like to focus on dev work and feels that dev lead position doesn't fit you well.
– Nelson
Aug 25 '16 at 1:37
I am currently senior
– ConditionRacer
Aug 25 '16 at 1:49
1
Don't see how any answer can be anything but opinion based and company specific. I've been in companies where you could stay as a techie, others for who the one path led to management. Whether staying as a developer affected your career depended on the company, and you can't generalise. Voting to close as opinion based.
– The Wandering Dev Manager
Aug 25 '16 at 3:13
@TheWanderingDevManager: While the details will be company-specific, you can list a number of common approaches companies take, and explain the motivation behind them. So I think you can still answer this meaningfully, though possibly in somewhat general terms.
– sleske
Aug 25 '16 at 7:15
the great thing is that there are lots of companies with a great technical career path that does not require becoming a manager, and they are hiring. They do require that you demonstrate technical leadership, but not managing other people.
– kevin cline
Aug 25 '16 at 7:57
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Are you currently a senior developer? You can tell them you would like to focus on dev work and feels that dev lead position doesn't fit you well.
– Nelson
Aug 25 '16 at 1:37
I am currently senior
– ConditionRacer
Aug 25 '16 at 1:49
1
Don't see how any answer can be anything but opinion based and company specific. I've been in companies where you could stay as a techie, others for who the one path led to management. Whether staying as a developer affected your career depended on the company, and you can't generalise. Voting to close as opinion based.
– The Wandering Dev Manager
Aug 25 '16 at 3:13
@TheWanderingDevManager: While the details will be company-specific, you can list a number of common approaches companies take, and explain the motivation behind them. So I think you can still answer this meaningfully, though possibly in somewhat general terms.
– sleske
Aug 25 '16 at 7:15
the great thing is that there are lots of companies with a great technical career path that does not require becoming a manager, and they are hiring. They do require that you demonstrate technical leadership, but not managing other people.
– kevin cline
Aug 25 '16 at 7:57
Are you currently a senior developer? You can tell them you would like to focus on dev work and feels that dev lead position doesn't fit you well.
– Nelson
Aug 25 '16 at 1:37
Are you currently a senior developer? You can tell them you would like to focus on dev work and feels that dev lead position doesn't fit you well.
– Nelson
Aug 25 '16 at 1:37
I am currently senior
– ConditionRacer
Aug 25 '16 at 1:49
I am currently senior
– ConditionRacer
Aug 25 '16 at 1:49
1
1
Don't see how any answer can be anything but opinion based and company specific. I've been in companies where you could stay as a techie, others for who the one path led to management. Whether staying as a developer affected your career depended on the company, and you can't generalise. Voting to close as opinion based.
– The Wandering Dev Manager
Aug 25 '16 at 3:13
Don't see how any answer can be anything but opinion based and company specific. I've been in companies where you could stay as a techie, others for who the one path led to management. Whether staying as a developer affected your career depended on the company, and you can't generalise. Voting to close as opinion based.
– The Wandering Dev Manager
Aug 25 '16 at 3:13
@TheWanderingDevManager: While the details will be company-specific, you can list a number of common approaches companies take, and explain the motivation behind them. So I think you can still answer this meaningfully, though possibly in somewhat general terms.
– sleske
Aug 25 '16 at 7:15
@TheWanderingDevManager: While the details will be company-specific, you can list a number of common approaches companies take, and explain the motivation behind them. So I think you can still answer this meaningfully, though possibly in somewhat general terms.
– sleske
Aug 25 '16 at 7:15
the great thing is that there are lots of companies with a great technical career path that does not require becoming a manager, and they are hiring. They do require that you demonstrate technical leadership, but not managing other people.
– kevin cline
Aug 25 '16 at 7:57
the great thing is that there are lots of companies with a great technical career path that does not require becoming a manager, and they are hiring. They do require that you demonstrate technical leadership, but not managing other people.
– kevin cline
Aug 25 '16 at 7:57
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Some companies have a technical career path that extends in parallel with the management path -- architect, Distinguished Engineer, etc. It tends to be harder to get into the higher technical levels than into management, because there are fewer such positions; you need to demonstrate unusual value to the company via patents and the like... but it may be doable.
Talk to your management about what your next step would be in that direction and what they need to see from you to justify it.
If your company doesn't offer that path, you may need to investigate moving to a company that does.
Or you may stay at your current level for quite some time, voluntarily or because the next step is a difficult one.
answered Aug 25 '16 at 2:13
keshlam
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I'm surprised a large US company doesn't have a technical path parallel to the managerial path. See if you can figure out where the senior devs end up.
– Nelson
Aug 25 '16 at 2:31
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In my opinion, for every person like you, there's 5 or 10 others who will moan because they're being overlooked for promotion.
To me, it sounds like they like you and want to make you a dev lead so you'll stick around, rather than frustrated being "stuck" in your current role.
I don't think they'll view it as negative. My advice is simply to tell them that you're honoured they've considered you for the role but you're happy where you are, adding that you're also happy to review again (in six months? a year?) in case you do then want a change but they don't consider you.
answered Aug 25 '16 at 7:11
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Some companies have a technical career path that extends in parallel with the management path -- architect, Distinguished Engineer, etc. It tends to be harder to get into the higher technical levels than into management, because there are fewer such positions; you need to demonstrate unusual value to the company via patents and the like... but it may be doable.
Talk to your management about what your next step would be in that direction and what they need to see from you to justify it.
If your company doesn't offer that path, you may need to investigate moving to a company that does.
Or you may stay at your current level for quite some time, voluntarily or because the next step is a difficult one.
answered Aug 25 '16 at 2:13
keshlam
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I'm surprised a large US company doesn't have a technical path parallel to the managerial path. See if you can figure out where the senior devs end up.
– Nelson
Aug 25 '16 at 2:31
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
5
down vote
Some companies have a technical career path that extends in parallel with the management path -- architect, Distinguished Engineer, etc. It tends to be harder to get into the higher technical levels than into management, because there are fewer such positions; you need to demonstrate unusual value to the company via patents and the like... but it may be doable.
Talk to your management about what your next step would be in that direction and what they need to see from you to justify it.
If your company doesn't offer that path, you may need to investigate moving to a company that does.
Or you may stay at your current level for quite some time, voluntarily or because the next step is a difficult one.
answered Aug 25 '16 at 2:13
keshlam
41.5k1267144
I'm surprised a large US company doesn't have a technical path parallel to the managerial path. See if you can figure out where the senior devs end up.
– Nelson
Aug 25 '16 at 2:31
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5
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up vote
5
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Some companies have a technical career path that extends in parallel with the management path -- architect, Distinguished Engineer, etc. It tends to be harder to get into the higher technical levels than into management, because there are fewer such positions; you need to demonstrate unusual value to the company via patents and the like... but it may be doable.
Talk to your management about what your next step would be in that direction and what they need to see from you to justify it.
If your company doesn't offer that path, you may need to investigate moving to a company that does.
Or you may stay at your current level for quite some time, voluntarily or because the next step is a difficult one.
answered Aug 25 '16 at 2:13
keshlam
41.5k1267144
Some companies have a technical career path that extends in parallel with the management path -- architect, Distinguished Engineer, etc. It tends to be harder to get into the higher technical levels than into management, because there are fewer such positions; you need to demonstrate unusual value to the company via patents and the like... but it may be doable.
Talk to your management about what your next step would be in that direction and what they need to see from you to justify it.
If your company doesn't offer that path, you may need to investigate moving to a company that does.
Or you may stay at your current level for quite some time, voluntarily or because the next step is a difficult one.
answered Aug 25 '16 at 2:13
keshlam
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answered Aug 25 '16 at 2:13
keshlam
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answered Aug 25 '16 at 2:13
keshlam
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answered Aug 25 '16 at 2:13
keshlam
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41.5k1267144
I'm surprised a large US company doesn't have a technical path parallel to the managerial path. See if you can figure out where the senior devs end up.
– Nelson
Aug 25 '16 at 2:31
suggest improvements |Â
I'm surprised a large US company doesn't have a technical path parallel to the managerial path. See if you can figure out where the senior devs end up.
– Nelson
Aug 25 '16 at 2:31
I'm surprised a large US company doesn't have a technical path parallel to the managerial path. See if you can figure out where the senior devs end up.
– Nelson
Aug 25 '16 at 2:31
I'm surprised a large US company doesn't have a technical path parallel to the managerial path. See if you can figure out where the senior devs end up.
– Nelson
Aug 25 '16 at 2:31
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up vote
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In my opinion, for every person like you, there's 5 or 10 others who will moan because they're being overlooked for promotion.
To me, it sounds like they like you and want to make you a dev lead so you'll stick around, rather than frustrated being "stuck" in your current role.
I don't think they'll view it as negative. My advice is simply to tell them that you're honoured they've considered you for the role but you're happy where you are, adding that you're also happy to review again (in six months? a year?) in case you do then want a change but they don't consider you.
answered Aug 25 '16 at 7:11
Stephen
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In my opinion, for every person like you, there's 5 or 10 others who will moan because they're being overlooked for promotion.
To me, it sounds like they like you and want to make you a dev lead so you'll stick around, rather than frustrated being "stuck" in your current role.
I don't think they'll view it as negative. My advice is simply to tell them that you're honoured they've considered you for the role but you're happy where you are, adding that you're also happy to review again (in six months? a year?) in case you do then want a change but they don't consider you.
answered Aug 25 '16 at 7:11
Stephen
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up vote
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up vote
2
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In my opinion, for every person like you, there's 5 or 10 others who will moan because they're being overlooked for promotion.
To me, it sounds like they like you and want to make you a dev lead so you'll stick around, rather than frustrated being "stuck" in your current role.
I don't think they'll view it as negative. My advice is simply to tell them that you're honoured they've considered you for the role but you're happy where you are, adding that you're also happy to review again (in six months? a year?) in case you do then want a change but they don't consider you.
answered Aug 25 '16 at 7:11
Stephen
1,53149
In my opinion, for every person like you, there's 5 or 10 others who will moan because they're being overlooked for promotion.
To me, it sounds like they like you and want to make you a dev lead so you'll stick around, rather than frustrated being "stuck" in your current role.
I don't think they'll view it as negative. My advice is simply to tell them that you're honoured they've considered you for the role but you're happy where you are, adding that you're also happy to review again (in six months? a year?) in case you do then want a change but they don't consider you.
answered Aug 25 '16 at 7:11
Stephen
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answered Aug 25 '16 at 7:11
Stephen
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answered Aug 25 '16 at 7:11
Stephen
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answered Aug 25 '16 at 7:11
Stephen
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Are you currently a senior developer? You can tell them you would like to focus on dev work and feels that dev lead position doesn't fit you well.
– Nelson
Aug 25 '16 at 1:37
I am currently senior
– ConditionRacer
Aug 25 '16 at 1:49
1
Don't see how any answer can be anything but opinion based and company specific. I've been in companies where you could stay as a techie, others for who the one path led to management. Whether staying as a developer affected your career depended on the company, and you can't generalise. Voting to close as opinion based.
– The Wandering Dev Manager
Aug 25 '16 at 3:13
@TheWanderingDevManager: While the details will be company-specific, you can list a number of common approaches companies take, and explain the motivation behind them. So I think you can still answer this meaningfully, though possibly in somewhat general terms.
– sleske
Aug 25 '16 at 7:15
the great thing is that there are lots of companies with a great technical career path that does not require becoming a manager, and they are hiring. They do require that you demonstrate technical leadership, but not managing other people.
– kevin cline
Aug 25 '16 at 7:57