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​I recently interviewed with a small, extremely promising company (40+ strong) in the healthcare industry. Everything about the company seemed great, and I then interviewed on-site where it went equality well, with very positive feedback throughout.
At the end, the VP said "obviously the team likes you, we'll have an offer soon".
A day later, the recruiter told me "he really liked you and but didn't think you had the depth of experience they were looking for".
Is this a common practice? Has anyone experienced something similar? Are there signals I missed that I should have picked up on/should look for in the future?
interviewing job-offer ethics
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​I recently interviewed with a small, extremely promising company (40+ strong) in the healthcare industry. Everything about the company seemed great, and I then interviewed on-site where it went equality well, with very positive feedback throughout.
At the end, the VP said "obviously the team likes you, we'll have an offer soon".
A day later, the recruiter told me "he really liked you and but didn't think you had the depth of experience they were looking for".
Is this a common practice? Has anyone experienced something similar? Are there signals I missed that I should have picked up on/should look for in the future?
interviewing job-offer ethics
edited Aug 11 '16 at 19:13
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asked Aug 11 '16 at 9:47
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closed as off-topic by Masked Man♦, The Wandering Dev Manager, Jim G., alroc, jimm101 Aug 11 '16 at 11:39
This question appears to be off-topic. The users who voted to close gave this specific reason:
- "Real questions have answers. Rather than explaining why your situation is terrible, or why your boss/coworker makes you unhappy, explain what you want to do to make it better. For more information, click here." – Masked Man, The Wandering Dev Manager, Jim G., alroc, jimm101
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This should be closed, it's more of a rant/vent about their situation rather than a genuine question of "is it common practice for successful companies to have managers with superb lying abilities?"
– fib112358
Aug 11 '16 at 10:12
"Superb ability to lie to another's face" - making that assumption and expressing it would frankly be a huge red flag to me. What makes you think that he lied? What would be the benefit for the company to lie to you in this situation? The VP liked you, then talked to others who were less impressed.
– gnasher729
Aug 11 '16 at 10:25
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Maybe once the VP received all the feedback, it wasn't as rosy as first believed. Maybe one hold-out wasn't taken in and raised all the red flags everyone else was overlooking. Maybe there was another candidate who was even better. Maybe something in your background check didn't show as planned. None of these require lying. If this is your reaction though, maybe they didn't make such a bad decision.
– jimm101
Aug 11 '16 at 11:39
Unfortunately you bumped into an insincere potential employer. Forget this bad experience. It's not worth your time and efforts to figure out what and why it happened. Move on with your own life.
– scaaahu
Aug 11 '16 at 12:38
The real question is has any interviewer ever told a potential employee they're not hired and to leave immediately? I have not, and I'd imagine such an approach by the VP would cause problems for him. They want you to leave happy then break the news.
– Dan
Aug 11 '16 at 14:54
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​I recently interviewed with a small, extremely promising company (40+ strong) in the healthcare industry. Everything about the company seemed great, and I then interviewed on-site where it went equality well, with very positive feedback throughout.
At the end, the VP said "obviously the team likes you, we'll have an offer soon".
A day later, the recruiter told me "he really liked you and but didn't think you had the depth of experience they were looking for".
Is this a common practice? Has anyone experienced something similar? Are there signals I missed that I should have picked up on/should look for in the future?
interviewing job-offer ethics
edited Aug 11 '16 at 19:13
Richard U
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asked Aug 11 '16 at 9:47
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​I recently interviewed with a small, extremely promising company (40+ strong) in the healthcare industry. Everything about the company seemed great, and I then interviewed on-site where it went equality well, with very positive feedback throughout.
At the end, the VP said "obviously the team likes you, we'll have an offer soon".
A day later, the recruiter told me "he really liked you and but didn't think you had the depth of experience they were looking for".
Is this a common practice? Has anyone experienced something similar? Are there signals I missed that I should have picked up on/should look for in the future?
interviewing job-offer ethics
edited Aug 11 '16 at 19:13
Richard U
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asked Aug 11 '16 at 9:47
princelrc85
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edited Aug 11 '16 at 19:13
Richard U
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edited Aug 11 '16 at 19:13
Richard U
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edited Aug 11 '16 at 19:13
Richard U
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asked Aug 11 '16 at 9:47
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asked Aug 11 '16 at 9:47
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asked Aug 11 '16 at 9:47
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closed as off-topic by Masked Man♦, The Wandering Dev Manager, Jim G., alroc, jimm101 Aug 11 '16 at 11:39
This question appears to be off-topic. The users who voted to close gave this specific reason:
- "Real questions have answers. Rather than explaining why your situation is terrible, or why your boss/coworker makes you unhappy, explain what you want to do to make it better. For more information, click here." – Masked Man, The Wandering Dev Manager, Jim G., alroc, jimm101
closed as off-topic by Masked Man♦, The Wandering Dev Manager, Jim G., alroc, jimm101 Aug 11 '16 at 11:39
This question appears to be off-topic. The users who voted to close gave this specific reason:
- "Real questions have answers. Rather than explaining why your situation is terrible, or why your boss/coworker makes you unhappy, explain what you want to do to make it better. For more information, click here." – Masked Man, The Wandering Dev Manager, Jim G., alroc, jimm101
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This should be closed, it's more of a rant/vent about their situation rather than a genuine question of "is it common practice for successful companies to have managers with superb lying abilities?"
– fib112358
Aug 11 '16 at 10:12
"Superb ability to lie to another's face" - making that assumption and expressing it would frankly be a huge red flag to me. What makes you think that he lied? What would be the benefit for the company to lie to you in this situation? The VP liked you, then talked to others who were less impressed.
– gnasher729
Aug 11 '16 at 10:25
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Maybe once the VP received all the feedback, it wasn't as rosy as first believed. Maybe one hold-out wasn't taken in and raised all the red flags everyone else was overlooking. Maybe there was another candidate who was even better. Maybe something in your background check didn't show as planned. None of these require lying. If this is your reaction though, maybe they didn't make such a bad decision.
– jimm101
Aug 11 '16 at 11:39
Unfortunately you bumped into an insincere potential employer. Forget this bad experience. It's not worth your time and efforts to figure out what and why it happened. Move on with your own life.
– scaaahu
Aug 11 '16 at 12:38
The real question is has any interviewer ever told a potential employee they're not hired and to leave immediately? I have not, and I'd imagine such an approach by the VP would cause problems for him. They want you to leave happy then break the news.
– Dan
Aug 11 '16 at 14:54
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This should be closed, it's more of a rant/vent about their situation rather than a genuine question of "is it common practice for successful companies to have managers with superb lying abilities?"
– fib112358
Aug 11 '16 at 10:12
"Superb ability to lie to another's face" - making that assumption and expressing it would frankly be a huge red flag to me. What makes you think that he lied? What would be the benefit for the company to lie to you in this situation? The VP liked you, then talked to others who were less impressed.
– gnasher729
Aug 11 '16 at 10:25
3
Maybe once the VP received all the feedback, it wasn't as rosy as first believed. Maybe one hold-out wasn't taken in and raised all the red flags everyone else was overlooking. Maybe there was another candidate who was even better. Maybe something in your background check didn't show as planned. None of these require lying. If this is your reaction though, maybe they didn't make such a bad decision.
– jimm101
Aug 11 '16 at 11:39
Unfortunately you bumped into an insincere potential employer. Forget this bad experience. It's not worth your time and efforts to figure out what and why it happened. Move on with your own life.
– scaaahu
Aug 11 '16 at 12:38
The real question is has any interviewer ever told a potential employee they're not hired and to leave immediately? I have not, and I'd imagine such an approach by the VP would cause problems for him. They want you to leave happy then break the news.
– Dan
Aug 11 '16 at 14:54
3
3
This should be closed, it's more of a rant/vent about their situation rather than a genuine question of "is it common practice for successful companies to have managers with superb lying abilities?"
– fib112358
Aug 11 '16 at 10:12
This should be closed, it's more of a rant/vent about their situation rather than a genuine question of "is it common practice for successful companies to have managers with superb lying abilities?"
– fib112358
Aug 11 '16 at 10:12
"Superb ability to lie to another's face" - making that assumption and expressing it would frankly be a huge red flag to me. What makes you think that he lied? What would be the benefit for the company to lie to you in this situation? The VP liked you, then talked to others who were less impressed.
– gnasher729
Aug 11 '16 at 10:25
"Superb ability to lie to another's face" - making that assumption and expressing it would frankly be a huge red flag to me. What makes you think that he lied? What would be the benefit for the company to lie to you in this situation? The VP liked you, then talked to others who were less impressed.
– gnasher729
Aug 11 '16 at 10:25
3
3
Maybe once the VP received all the feedback, it wasn't as rosy as first believed. Maybe one hold-out wasn't taken in and raised all the red flags everyone else was overlooking. Maybe there was another candidate who was even better. Maybe something in your background check didn't show as planned. None of these require lying. If this is your reaction though, maybe they didn't make such a bad decision.
– jimm101
Aug 11 '16 at 11:39
Maybe once the VP received all the feedback, it wasn't as rosy as first believed. Maybe one hold-out wasn't taken in and raised all the red flags everyone else was overlooking. Maybe there was another candidate who was even better. Maybe something in your background check didn't show as planned. None of these require lying. If this is your reaction though, maybe they didn't make such a bad decision.
– jimm101
Aug 11 '16 at 11:39
Unfortunately you bumped into an insincere potential employer. Forget this bad experience. It's not worth your time and efforts to figure out what and why it happened. Move on with your own life.
– scaaahu
Aug 11 '16 at 12:38
Unfortunately you bumped into an insincere potential employer. Forget this bad experience. It's not worth your time and efforts to figure out what and why it happened. Move on with your own life.
– scaaahu
Aug 11 '16 at 12:38
The real question is has any interviewer ever told a potential employee they're not hired and to leave immediately? I have not, and I'd imagine such an approach by the VP would cause problems for him. They want you to leave happy then break the news.
– Dan
Aug 11 '16 at 14:54
The real question is has any interviewer ever told a potential employee they're not hired and to leave immediately? I have not, and I'd imagine such an approach by the VP would cause problems for him. They want you to leave happy then break the news.
– Dan
Aug 11 '16 at 14:54
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obviously the team likes you
Nothing wrong with this statement.
we'll have an offer soon
I understand this as
You did well on the interview, and I can image working with you.
I think we probably will hire you, if no better candicate turns up
He did not say
You're hired
And keep in mind that (depending on the jurisdiction), even an actual offer doesn't mean the have to hire you.
...
And is this what is required for small companies to succeed these
days? To have managers with a superb ability to lie to another's face?
This sounds very much like you seek someone to blame for your disappointment for not being hired. This few sentences do not mean that this manager and every other company on the world are 100% liars.
answered Aug 11 '16 at 10:01
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I mean, is this a common practice?
No. Most people would have said that it was a positive experience and they will look at all the other candidates and then get back to you. Which basically means you were good, but who knows someone might be even better.
From what you got told, I would have understood that he wants to hire me and it's a matter of offer/counteroffer/haggling about the price. And obviously that did not happen.
So I'd say it was unusual on the VPs part. But who knows, with a 40 people business he might just be inexperienced in hiring people.
You'll never know if it was a white lie or the truth at that very moment and something happened. But it's not important. You didn't get that job, but you might as well get the next one. After all, if someone else got that job, there's one less competitor next time.
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Yes, in my experience this is common practice, but I don't think it is as deceitful as it first appears. You don't burn your bridges, either as a an employer or potential employee and sometimes, recruitment takes a while. You can genuinely want someone, but then find someone else is a better fit for business or operational reasons.
Reading between the lines of what you heard from the VP and the recruiter though, I would say that all this means is that you are currently second choice on their list.
They are probably waiting to hear back from someone (possibly via a different recruiter) with slightly more experience than you. You are probably their best culture fit, while someone else is their best experience fit.
They want to keep you sweet because they are confident that you can do the job, even if it takes a little longer to give you the extra skills they think you need. They want to maximise the chance that you will still be available and interested if their first choice doesn't accept their offer.
With respect to the recruiter, they are probably playing down your chances to stop the recruiter calling them every five minutes nagging them for an offer. They probably don't care about keeping the recruiter sweet, so depending on how aggressive the recruiter is, they might say anything to get them to stop calling.
From personal experience, I have missed out on a number of jobs where people have very apologetically phoned me to say "I'm really sorry, I think you would have been great here, but we really didn't expect to find anyone who had experience with X, Y and Z.". People can be genuinely complementary and want you, but circumstances beyond their control might push them towards another candidate.
Essentially, someone who can hit the ground running will usually be preferred over someone who will take a while to get started, even if they may end up being a better team player in the long run.
So, don't give up hope, keep looking, and try to assume the best of people rather than the worst.
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obviously the team likes you
Nothing wrong with this statement.
we'll have an offer soon
I understand this as
You did well on the interview, and I can image working with you.
I think we probably will hire you, if no better candicate turns up
He did not say
You're hired
And keep in mind that (depending on the jurisdiction), even an actual offer doesn't mean the have to hire you.
...
And is this what is required for small companies to succeed these
days? To have managers with a superb ability to lie to another's face?
This sounds very much like you seek someone to blame for your disappointment for not being hired. This few sentences do not mean that this manager and every other company on the world are 100% liars.
answered Aug 11 '16 at 10:01
deviantfan
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obviously the team likes you
Nothing wrong with this statement.
we'll have an offer soon
I understand this as
You did well on the interview, and I can image working with you.
I think we probably will hire you, if no better candicate turns up
He did not say
You're hired
And keep in mind that (depending on the jurisdiction), even an actual offer doesn't mean the have to hire you.
...
And is this what is required for small companies to succeed these
days? To have managers with a superb ability to lie to another's face?
This sounds very much like you seek someone to blame for your disappointment for not being hired. This few sentences do not mean that this manager and every other company on the world are 100% liars.
answered Aug 11 '16 at 10:01
deviantfan
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up vote
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up vote
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obviously the team likes you
Nothing wrong with this statement.
we'll have an offer soon
I understand this as
You did well on the interview, and I can image working with you.
I think we probably will hire you, if no better candicate turns up
He did not say
You're hired
And keep in mind that (depending on the jurisdiction), even an actual offer doesn't mean the have to hire you.
...
And is this what is required for small companies to succeed these
days? To have managers with a superb ability to lie to another's face?
This sounds very much like you seek someone to blame for your disappointment for not being hired. This few sentences do not mean that this manager and every other company on the world are 100% liars.
answered Aug 11 '16 at 10:01
deviantfan
7291711
obviously the team likes you
Nothing wrong with this statement.
we'll have an offer soon
I understand this as
You did well on the interview, and I can image working with you.
I think we probably will hire you, if no better candicate turns up
He did not say
You're hired
And keep in mind that (depending on the jurisdiction), even an actual offer doesn't mean the have to hire you.
...
And is this what is required for small companies to succeed these
days? To have managers with a superb ability to lie to another's face?
This sounds very much like you seek someone to blame for your disappointment for not being hired. This few sentences do not mean that this manager and every other company on the world are 100% liars.
answered Aug 11 '16 at 10:01
deviantfan
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answered Aug 11 '16 at 10:01
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I mean, is this a common practice?
No. Most people would have said that it was a positive experience and they will look at all the other candidates and then get back to you. Which basically means you were good, but who knows someone might be even better.
From what you got told, I would have understood that he wants to hire me and it's a matter of offer/counteroffer/haggling about the price. And obviously that did not happen.
So I'd say it was unusual on the VPs part. But who knows, with a 40 people business he might just be inexperienced in hiring people.
You'll never know if it was a white lie or the truth at that very moment and something happened. But it's not important. You didn't get that job, but you might as well get the next one. After all, if someone else got that job, there's one less competitor next time.
answered Aug 11 '16 at 10:13
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I mean, is this a common practice?
No. Most people would have said that it was a positive experience and they will look at all the other candidates and then get back to you. Which basically means you were good, but who knows someone might be even better.
From what you got told, I would have understood that he wants to hire me and it's a matter of offer/counteroffer/haggling about the price. And obviously that did not happen.
So I'd say it was unusual on the VPs part. But who knows, with a 40 people business he might just be inexperienced in hiring people.
You'll never know if it was a white lie or the truth at that very moment and something happened. But it's not important. You didn't get that job, but you might as well get the next one. After all, if someone else got that job, there's one less competitor next time.
answered Aug 11 '16 at 10:13
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I mean, is this a common practice?
No. Most people would have said that it was a positive experience and they will look at all the other candidates and then get back to you. Which basically means you were good, but who knows someone might be even better.
From what you got told, I would have understood that he wants to hire me and it's a matter of offer/counteroffer/haggling about the price. And obviously that did not happen.
So I'd say it was unusual on the VPs part. But who knows, with a 40 people business he might just be inexperienced in hiring people.
You'll never know if it was a white lie or the truth at that very moment and something happened. But it's not important. You didn't get that job, but you might as well get the next one. After all, if someone else got that job, there's one less competitor next time.
answered Aug 11 '16 at 10:13
nvoigt
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I mean, is this a common practice?
No. Most people would have said that it was a positive experience and they will look at all the other candidates and then get back to you. Which basically means you were good, but who knows someone might be even better.
From what you got told, I would have understood that he wants to hire me and it's a matter of offer/counteroffer/haggling about the price. And obviously that did not happen.
So I'd say it was unusual on the VPs part. But who knows, with a 40 people business he might just be inexperienced in hiring people.
You'll never know if it was a white lie or the truth at that very moment and something happened. But it's not important. You didn't get that job, but you might as well get the next one. After all, if someone else got that job, there's one less competitor next time.
answered Aug 11 '16 at 10:13
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Yes, in my experience this is common practice, but I don't think it is as deceitful as it first appears. You don't burn your bridges, either as a an employer or potential employee and sometimes, recruitment takes a while. You can genuinely want someone, but then find someone else is a better fit for business or operational reasons.
Reading between the lines of what you heard from the VP and the recruiter though, I would say that all this means is that you are currently second choice on their list.
They are probably waiting to hear back from someone (possibly via a different recruiter) with slightly more experience than you. You are probably their best culture fit, while someone else is their best experience fit.
They want to keep you sweet because they are confident that you can do the job, even if it takes a little longer to give you the extra skills they think you need. They want to maximise the chance that you will still be available and interested if their first choice doesn't accept their offer.
With respect to the recruiter, they are probably playing down your chances to stop the recruiter calling them every five minutes nagging them for an offer. They probably don't care about keeping the recruiter sweet, so depending on how aggressive the recruiter is, they might say anything to get them to stop calling.
From personal experience, I have missed out on a number of jobs where people have very apologetically phoned me to say "I'm really sorry, I think you would have been great here, but we really didn't expect to find anyone who had experience with X, Y and Z.". People can be genuinely complementary and want you, but circumstances beyond their control might push them towards another candidate.
Essentially, someone who can hit the ground running will usually be preferred over someone who will take a while to get started, even if they may end up being a better team player in the long run.
So, don't give up hope, keep looking, and try to assume the best of people rather than the worst.
answered Aug 11 '16 at 10:48
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Yes, in my experience this is common practice, but I don't think it is as deceitful as it first appears. You don't burn your bridges, either as a an employer or potential employee and sometimes, recruitment takes a while. You can genuinely want someone, but then find someone else is a better fit for business or operational reasons.
Reading between the lines of what you heard from the VP and the recruiter though, I would say that all this means is that you are currently second choice on their list.
They are probably waiting to hear back from someone (possibly via a different recruiter) with slightly more experience than you. You are probably their best culture fit, while someone else is their best experience fit.
They want to keep you sweet because they are confident that you can do the job, even if it takes a little longer to give you the extra skills they think you need. They want to maximise the chance that you will still be available and interested if their first choice doesn't accept their offer.
With respect to the recruiter, they are probably playing down your chances to stop the recruiter calling them every five minutes nagging them for an offer. They probably don't care about keeping the recruiter sweet, so depending on how aggressive the recruiter is, they might say anything to get them to stop calling.
From personal experience, I have missed out on a number of jobs where people have very apologetically phoned me to say "I'm really sorry, I think you would have been great here, but we really didn't expect to find anyone who had experience with X, Y and Z.". People can be genuinely complementary and want you, but circumstances beyond their control might push them towards another candidate.
Essentially, someone who can hit the ground running will usually be preferred over someone who will take a while to get started, even if they may end up being a better team player in the long run.
So, don't give up hope, keep looking, and try to assume the best of people rather than the worst.
answered Aug 11 '16 at 10:48
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Yes, in my experience this is common practice, but I don't think it is as deceitful as it first appears. You don't burn your bridges, either as a an employer or potential employee and sometimes, recruitment takes a while. You can genuinely want someone, but then find someone else is a better fit for business or operational reasons.
Reading between the lines of what you heard from the VP and the recruiter though, I would say that all this means is that you are currently second choice on their list.
They are probably waiting to hear back from someone (possibly via a different recruiter) with slightly more experience than you. You are probably their best culture fit, while someone else is their best experience fit.
They want to keep you sweet because they are confident that you can do the job, even if it takes a little longer to give you the extra skills they think you need. They want to maximise the chance that you will still be available and interested if their first choice doesn't accept their offer.
With respect to the recruiter, they are probably playing down your chances to stop the recruiter calling them every five minutes nagging them for an offer. They probably don't care about keeping the recruiter sweet, so depending on how aggressive the recruiter is, they might say anything to get them to stop calling.
From personal experience, I have missed out on a number of jobs where people have very apologetically phoned me to say "I'm really sorry, I think you would have been great here, but we really didn't expect to find anyone who had experience with X, Y and Z.". People can be genuinely complementary and want you, but circumstances beyond their control might push them towards another candidate.
Essentially, someone who can hit the ground running will usually be preferred over someone who will take a while to get started, even if they may end up being a better team player in the long run.
So, don't give up hope, keep looking, and try to assume the best of people rather than the worst.
answered Aug 11 '16 at 10:48
Mark Booth
4,12912446
Yes, in my experience this is common practice, but I don't think it is as deceitful as it first appears. You don't burn your bridges, either as a an employer or potential employee and sometimes, recruitment takes a while. You can genuinely want someone, but then find someone else is a better fit for business or operational reasons.
Reading between the lines of what you heard from the VP and the recruiter though, I would say that all this means is that you are currently second choice on their list.
They are probably waiting to hear back from someone (possibly via a different recruiter) with slightly more experience than you. You are probably their best culture fit, while someone else is their best experience fit.
They want to keep you sweet because they are confident that you can do the job, even if it takes a little longer to give you the extra skills they think you need. They want to maximise the chance that you will still be available and interested if their first choice doesn't accept their offer.
With respect to the recruiter, they are probably playing down your chances to stop the recruiter calling them every five minutes nagging them for an offer. They probably don't care about keeping the recruiter sweet, so depending on how aggressive the recruiter is, they might say anything to get them to stop calling.
From personal experience, I have missed out on a number of jobs where people have very apologetically phoned me to say "I'm really sorry, I think you would have been great here, but we really didn't expect to find anyone who had experience with X, Y and Z.". People can be genuinely complementary and want you, but circumstances beyond their control might push them towards another candidate.
Essentially, someone who can hit the ground running will usually be preferred over someone who will take a while to get started, even if they may end up being a better team player in the long run.
So, don't give up hope, keep looking, and try to assume the best of people rather than the worst.
answered Aug 11 '16 at 10:48
Mark Booth
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answered Aug 11 '16 at 10:48
Mark Booth
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answered Aug 11 '16 at 10:48
Mark Booth
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answered Aug 11 '16 at 10:48
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This should be closed, it's more of a rant/vent about their situation rather than a genuine question of "is it common practice for successful companies to have managers with superb lying abilities?"
– fib112358
Aug 11 '16 at 10:12
"Superb ability to lie to another's face" - making that assumption and expressing it would frankly be a huge red flag to me. What makes you think that he lied? What would be the benefit for the company to lie to you in this situation? The VP liked you, then talked to others who were less impressed.
– gnasher729
Aug 11 '16 at 10:25
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Maybe once the VP received all the feedback, it wasn't as rosy as first believed. Maybe one hold-out wasn't taken in and raised all the red flags everyone else was overlooking. Maybe there was another candidate who was even better. Maybe something in your background check didn't show as planned. None of these require lying. If this is your reaction though, maybe they didn't make such a bad decision.
– jimm101
Aug 11 '16 at 11:39
Unfortunately you bumped into an insincere potential employer. Forget this bad experience. It's not worth your time and efforts to figure out what and why it happened. Move on with your own life.
– scaaahu
Aug 11 '16 at 12:38
The real question is has any interviewer ever told a potential employee they're not hired and to leave immediately? I have not, and I'd imagine such an approach by the VP would cause problems for him. They want you to leave happy then break the news.
– Dan
Aug 11 '16 at 14:54