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Both the dice rolls for the 2nd-level School of Divination Wizard class feature Portent and a Wizard's spell preparation occur "when you finish a long rest". Which comes first - or can a Wizard PC choose?
The specific problem here is that if Portent's dice rolls happen before spell choice, the PC might choose different spells. If not, they cannot use that information when they make spell choices.
(PHB, p. 114)
You can change your list of prepared spells when you finish a long rest. Preparing a new list of wizard spells requires time spent studying your spellbook and memorizing the incantations and gestures you must make to cast the spell: at least 1 minute per spell level for each spell on your list.
(PHB, p. 116)
Portent. Starting at 2nd level when you choose this school, glimpses of the future begin to press in on your awareness. When you finish a long rest, roll two d20s and record the numbers rolled.
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Both the dice rolls for the 2nd-level School of Divination Wizard class feature Portent and a Wizard's spell preparation occur "when you finish a long rest". Which comes first - or can a Wizard PC choose?
The specific problem here is that if Portent's dice rolls happen before spell choice, the PC might choose different spells. If not, they cannot use that information when they make spell choices.
(PHB, p. 114)
You can change your list of prepared spells when you finish a long rest. Preparing a new list of wizard spells requires time spent studying your spellbook and memorizing the incantations and gestures you must make to cast the spell: at least 1 minute per spell level for each spell on your list.
(PHB, p. 116)
Portent. Starting at 2nd level when you choose this school, glimpses of the future begin to press in on your awareness. When you finish a long rest, roll two d20s and record the numbers rolled.
dnd-5e class-feature wizard divination
asked Aug 23 at 21:07
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I'm trying to understand your question but I don't feel I'm getting it right. Are you asking which of Portent and the preparation of spell comes first after a long rest?
– Aguinaldo Silvestre
Aug 23 at 21:16
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@AguinaldoSilvestre I think he is. It could be relevant if you're rolling the portent first and get high rolls, you'll choose spells with attack rolls. If you roll low, you choose spells that require others to make saving throws (which can also be replaced with portent).
– PixelMaster
Aug 23 at 21:25
@AguinaldoSilvestre indeed that's what I'm asking. I've edited slightly to make it clear I'm talking about Portent's dice rolls, but am not sure exactly where the ambiguity is - could you let me know, or suggest an edit?
– Vigil
Aug 23 at 23:19
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Both the dice rolls for the 2nd-level School of Divination Wizard class feature Portent and a Wizard's spell preparation occur "when you finish a long rest". Which comes first - or can a Wizard PC choose?
The specific problem here is that if Portent's dice rolls happen before spell choice, the PC might choose different spells. If not, they cannot use that information when they make spell choices.
(PHB, p. 114)
You can change your list of prepared spells when you finish a long rest. Preparing a new list of wizard spells requires time spent studying your spellbook and memorizing the incantations and gestures you must make to cast the spell: at least 1 minute per spell level for each spell on your list.
(PHB, p. 116)
Portent. Starting at 2nd level when you choose this school, glimpses of the future begin to press in on your awareness. When you finish a long rest, roll two d20s and record the numbers rolled.
dnd-5e class-feature wizard divination
asked Aug 23 at 21:07
Vigil
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Both the dice rolls for the 2nd-level School of Divination Wizard class feature Portent and a Wizard's spell preparation occur "when you finish a long rest". Which comes first - or can a Wizard PC choose?
The specific problem here is that if Portent's dice rolls happen before spell choice, the PC might choose different spells. If not, they cannot use that information when they make spell choices.
(PHB, p. 114)
You can change your list of prepared spells when you finish a long rest. Preparing a new list of wizard spells requires time spent studying your spellbook and memorizing the incantations and gestures you must make to cast the spell: at least 1 minute per spell level for each spell on your list.
(PHB, p. 116)
Portent. Starting at 2nd level when you choose this school, glimpses of the future begin to press in on your awareness. When you finish a long rest, roll two d20s and record the numbers rolled.
dnd-5e class-feature wizard divination
asked Aug 23 at 21:07
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edited Aug 23 at 23:18
asked Aug 23 at 21:07
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I'm trying to understand your question but I don't feel I'm getting it right. Are you asking which of Portent and the preparation of spell comes first after a long rest?
– Aguinaldo Silvestre
Aug 23 at 21:16
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@AguinaldoSilvestre I think he is. It could be relevant if you're rolling the portent first and get high rolls, you'll choose spells with attack rolls. If you roll low, you choose spells that require others to make saving throws (which can also be replaced with portent).
– PixelMaster
Aug 23 at 21:25
@AguinaldoSilvestre indeed that's what I'm asking. I've edited slightly to make it clear I'm talking about Portent's dice rolls, but am not sure exactly where the ambiguity is - could you let me know, or suggest an edit?
– Vigil
Aug 23 at 23:19
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I'm trying to understand your question but I don't feel I'm getting it right. Are you asking which of Portent and the preparation of spell comes first after a long rest?
– Aguinaldo Silvestre
Aug 23 at 21:16
1
@AguinaldoSilvestre I think he is. It could be relevant if you're rolling the portent first and get high rolls, you'll choose spells with attack rolls. If you roll low, you choose spells that require others to make saving throws (which can also be replaced with portent).
– PixelMaster
Aug 23 at 21:25
@AguinaldoSilvestre indeed that's what I'm asking. I've edited slightly to make it clear I'm talking about Portent's dice rolls, but am not sure exactly where the ambiguity is - could you let me know, or suggest an edit?
– Vigil
Aug 23 at 23:19
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1
I'm trying to understand your question but I don't feel I'm getting it right. Are you asking which of Portent and the preparation of spell comes first after a long rest?
– Aguinaldo Silvestre
Aug 23 at 21:16
I'm trying to understand your question but I don't feel I'm getting it right. Are you asking which of Portent and the preparation of spell comes first after a long rest?
– Aguinaldo Silvestre
Aug 23 at 21:16
1
1
@AguinaldoSilvestre I think he is. It could be relevant if you're rolling the portent first and get high rolls, you'll choose spells with attack rolls. If you roll low, you choose spells that require others to make saving throws (which can also be replaced with portent).
– PixelMaster
Aug 23 at 21:25
@AguinaldoSilvestre I think he is. It could be relevant if you're rolling the portent first and get high rolls, you'll choose spells with attack rolls. If you roll low, you choose spells that require others to make saving throws (which can also be replaced with portent).
– PixelMaster
Aug 23 at 21:25
@AguinaldoSilvestre indeed that's what I'm asking. I've edited slightly to make it clear I'm talking about Portent's dice rolls, but am not sure exactly where the ambiguity is - could you let me know, or suggest an edit?
– Vigil
Aug 23 at 23:19
@AguinaldoSilvestre indeed that's what I'm asking. I've edited slightly to make it clear I'm talking about Portent's dice rolls, but am not sure exactly where the ambiguity is - could you let me know, or suggest an edit?
– Vigil
Aug 23 at 23:19
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Portent comes first
Because preparing spells does not happen at the end of a long rest - it happens at the end of time spent preparing (as noted in the question).
You can change your list of prepared spells when you finish a long rest. Preparing a new list of wizard spells requires time spent studying your spellbook and memorizing the incantations and gestures you must make to cast the spell: at least 1 minute per spell level for each spell on your list.
The process looks like this:
Thoth Amon finishes a long rest.
Lin, Thoth Amon's player, rolls Portent dice.
Lin decides to prepare different spells - four first level, one third level and one fifth level.
Thoth Amon spends 12 minutes preparing those spells.
Most tables include the spell preparation time in the 8 hours of rest, for simplicity of time tracking.
answered Aug 23 at 21:31
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Portent comes first
Because preparing spells does not happen at the end of a long rest - it happens at the end of time spent preparing (as noted in the question).
You can change your list of prepared spells when you finish a long rest. Preparing a new list of wizard spells requires time spent studying your spellbook and memorizing the incantations and gestures you must make to cast the spell: at least 1 minute per spell level for each spell on your list.
The process looks like this:
Thoth Amon finishes a long rest.
Lin, Thoth Amon's player, rolls Portent dice.
Lin decides to prepare different spells - four first level, one third level and one fifth level.
Thoth Amon spends 12 minutes preparing those spells.
Most tables include the spell preparation time in the 8 hours of rest, for simplicity of time tracking.
answered Aug 23 at 21:31
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Portent comes first
Because preparing spells does not happen at the end of a long rest - it happens at the end of time spent preparing (as noted in the question).
You can change your list of prepared spells when you finish a long rest. Preparing a new list of wizard spells requires time spent studying your spellbook and memorizing the incantations and gestures you must make to cast the spell: at least 1 minute per spell level for each spell on your list.
The process looks like this:
Thoth Amon finishes a long rest.
Lin, Thoth Amon's player, rolls Portent dice.
Lin decides to prepare different spells - four first level, one third level and one fifth level.
Thoth Amon spends 12 minutes preparing those spells.
Most tables include the spell preparation time in the 8 hours of rest, for simplicity of time tracking.
answered Aug 23 at 21:31
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up vote
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up vote
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Portent comes first
Because preparing spells does not happen at the end of a long rest - it happens at the end of time spent preparing (as noted in the question).
You can change your list of prepared spells when you finish a long rest. Preparing a new list of wizard spells requires time spent studying your spellbook and memorizing the incantations and gestures you must make to cast the spell: at least 1 minute per spell level for each spell on your list.
The process looks like this:
Thoth Amon finishes a long rest.
Lin, Thoth Amon's player, rolls Portent dice.
Lin decides to prepare different spells - four first level, one third level and one fifth level.
Thoth Amon spends 12 minutes preparing those spells.
Most tables include the spell preparation time in the 8 hours of rest, for simplicity of time tracking.
answered Aug 23 at 21:31
Greenstone Walker
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Portent comes first
Because preparing spells does not happen at the end of a long rest - it happens at the end of time spent preparing (as noted in the question).
You can change your list of prepared spells when you finish a long rest. Preparing a new list of wizard spells requires time spent studying your spellbook and memorizing the incantations and gestures you must make to cast the spell: at least 1 minute per spell level for each spell on your list.
The process looks like this:
Thoth Amon finishes a long rest.
Lin, Thoth Amon's player, rolls Portent dice.
Lin decides to prepare different spells - four first level, one third level and one fifth level.
Thoth Amon spends 12 minutes preparing those spells.
Most tables include the spell preparation time in the 8 hours of rest, for simplicity of time tracking.
answered Aug 23 at 21:31
Greenstone Walker
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answered Aug 23 at 21:31
Greenstone Walker
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answered Aug 23 at 21:31
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I'm trying to understand your question but I don't feel I'm getting it right. Are you asking which of Portent and the preparation of spell comes first after a long rest?
– Aguinaldo Silvestre
Aug 23 at 21:16
1
@AguinaldoSilvestre I think he is. It could be relevant if you're rolling the portent first and get high rolls, you'll choose spells with attack rolls. If you roll low, you choose spells that require others to make saving throws (which can also be replaced with portent).
– PixelMaster
Aug 23 at 21:25
@AguinaldoSilvestre indeed that's what I'm asking. I've edited slightly to make it clear I'm talking about Portent's dice rolls, but am not sure exactly where the ambiguity is - could you let me know, or suggest an edit?
– Vigil
Aug 23 at 23:19