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I am in the process of leaving my PhD programme in life sciences at a top university in the UK. A PhD is simply not for me and I find the work/life balance to be intolerable; in addition, my PhD so far has included an industrial placement at a fortune 500 company that was very eye opening and enjoyable.

My question is whether it is better to leave the fact that I quit a PhD off my CV, or to have the failed PhD / MPhil on there, or to mask it as '18 months of lab experience' or something similar. Is it possible to make the fact I left a PhD sound good?

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  Did you receive an ABD designation from your university? (e.g. fulfilled all requirements except the dissertation) Depending on where you are located, "ABD" is a reasonable designation to use to indicate you reached a milestone but did not finish. Definitely a "thing" in the US & Canada, don't know about the UK.
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  I don't think there's any shame in telling a prospective employer what you told the community here, and I can't imagine you being turned down from a position where you meet all requirements if you decided to quit pursuing something that exceeds the requirements.
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  @scipio, I would probably remove the company name from your question :)
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  How about referring to it as "18 months of advanced study in Life Sciences" or something similar?
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I am in the process of leaving my PhD programme in life sciences at a top university in the UK. A PhD is simply not for me and I find the work/life balance to be intolerable; in addition, my PhD so far has included an industrial placement at a fortune 500 company that was very eye opening and enjoyable.

My question is whether it is better to leave the fact that I quit a PhD off my CV, or to have the failed PhD / MPhil on there, or to mask it as '18 months of lab experience' or something similar. Is it possible to make the fact I left a PhD sound good?

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edited Dec 18 '14 at 14:36

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closed as primarily opinion-based by Jim G., CMW, Jan Doggen, CincinnatiProgrammer, jcmeloni Feb 12 '14 at 11:59

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  Did you receive an ABD designation from your university? (e.g. fulfilled all requirements except the dissertation) Depending on where you are located, "ABD" is a reasonable designation to use to indicate you reached a milestone but did not finish. Definitely a "thing" in the US & Canada, don't know about the UK.
  – jcmeloni
  Feb 4 '14 at 18:36
  
  

  
  
  
  


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  I don't think there's any shame in telling a prospective employer what you told the community here, and I can't imagine you being turned down from a position where you meet all requirements if you decided to quit pursuing something that exceeds the requirements.
  – Brian Warshaw
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  @scipio, I would probably remove the company name from your question :)
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  Feb 4 '14 at 20:41
  

  
  
  
  


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  How about referring to it as "18 months of advanced study in Life Sciences" or something similar?
  – Roger
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  @HugoRocha noted and edited, thank you.
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I am in the process of leaving my PhD programme in life sciences at a top university in the UK. A PhD is simply not for me and I find the work/life balance to be intolerable; in addition, my PhD so far has included an industrial placement at a fortune 500 company that was very eye opening and enjoyable.

My question is whether it is better to leave the fact that I quit a PhD off my CV, or to have the failed PhD / MPhil on there, or to mask it as '18 months of lab experience' or something similar. Is it possible to make the fact I left a PhD sound good?

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I am in the process of leaving my PhD programme in life sciences at a top university in the UK. A PhD is simply not for me and I find the work/life balance to be intolerable; in addition, my PhD so far has included an industrial placement at a fortune 500 company that was very eye opening and enjoyable.

My question is whether it is better to leave the fact that I quit a PhD off my CV, or to have the failed PhD / MPhil on there, or to mask it as '18 months of lab experience' or something similar. Is it possible to make the fact I left a PhD sound good?

resume careers career-switch failure

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edited Dec 18 '14 at 14:36

Stephan Kolassa

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asked Feb 4 '14 at 18:19

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edited Dec 18 '14 at 14:36

Stephan Kolassa

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edited Dec 18 '14 at 14:36

Stephan Kolassa

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edited Dec 18 '14 at 14:36

Stephan Kolassa

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asked Feb 4 '14 at 18:19

scipio

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asked Feb 4 '14 at 18:19

scipio

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asked Feb 4 '14 at 18:19

scipio

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closed as primarily opinion-based by Jim G., CMW, Jan Doggen, CincinnatiProgrammer, jcmeloni Feb 12 '14 at 11:59

Many good questions generate some degree of opinion based on expert experience, but answers to this question will tend to be almost entirely based on opinions, rather than facts, references, or specific expertise. If this question can be reworded to fit the rules in the help center, please edit the question.

closed as primarily opinion-based by Jim G., CMW, Jan Doggen, CincinnatiProgrammer, jcmeloni Feb 12 '14 at 11:59

Many good questions generate some degree of opinion based on expert experience, but answers to this question will tend to be almost entirely based on opinions, rather than facts, references, or specific expertise. If this question can be reworded to fit the rules in the help center, please edit the question.

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  Did you receive an ABD designation from your university? (e.g. fulfilled all requirements except the dissertation) Depending on where you are located, "ABD" is a reasonable designation to use to indicate you reached a milestone but did not finish. Definitely a "thing" in the US & Canada, don't know about the UK.
  – jcmeloni
  Feb 4 '14 at 18:36
  
  

  
  
  
  


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  4
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  I don't think there's any shame in telling a prospective employer what you told the community here, and I can't imagine you being turned down from a position where you meet all requirements if you decided to quit pursuing something that exceeds the requirements.
  – Brian Warshaw
  Feb 4 '14 at 18:51
  

  
  
  
  


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  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  @scipio, I would probably remove the company name from your question :)
  – Hugo Rocha
  Feb 4 '14 at 20:41
  

  
  
  
  


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  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  How about referring to it as "18 months of advanced study in Life Sciences" or something similar?
  – Roger
  Feb 4 '14 at 21:32
  

  
  
  
  


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  @HugoRocha noted and edited, thank you.
  – scipio
  Feb 4 '14 at 21:36
  

  
  
  
  

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  Did you receive an ABD designation from your university? (e.g. fulfilled all requirements except the dissertation) Depending on where you are located, "ABD" is a reasonable designation to use to indicate you reached a milestone but did not finish. Definitely a "thing" in the US & Canada, don't know about the UK.
  – jcmeloni
  Feb 4 '14 at 18:36
  
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  4
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  I don't think there's any shame in telling a prospective employer what you told the community here, and I can't imagine you being turned down from a position where you meet all requirements if you decided to quit pursuing something that exceeds the requirements.
  – Brian Warshaw
  Feb 4 '14 at 18:51
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  @scipio, I would probably remove the company name from your question :)
  – Hugo Rocha
  Feb 4 '14 at 20:41
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  How about referring to it as "18 months of advanced study in Life Sciences" or something similar?
  – Roger
  Feb 4 '14 at 21:32
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  @HugoRocha noted and edited, thank you.
  – scipio
  Feb 4 '14 at 21:36
  

  
  
  
  

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Did you receive an ABD designation from your university? (e.g. fulfilled all requirements except the dissertation) Depending on where you are located, "ABD" is a reasonable designation to use to indicate you reached a milestone but did not finish. Definitely a "thing" in the US & Canada, don't know about the UK.
– jcmeloni
Feb 4 '14 at 18:36

Did you receive an ABD designation from your university? (e.g. fulfilled all requirements except the dissertation) Depending on where you are located, "ABD" is a reasonable designation to use to indicate you reached a milestone but did not finish. Definitely a "thing" in the US & Canada, don't know about the UK.
– jcmeloni
Feb 4 '14 at 18:36

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I don't think there's any shame in telling a prospective employer what you told the community here, and I can't imagine you being turned down from a position where you meet all requirements if you decided to quit pursuing something that exceeds the requirements.
– Brian Warshaw
Feb 4 '14 at 18:51

I don't think there's any shame in telling a prospective employer what you told the community here, and I can't imagine you being turned down from a position where you meet all requirements if you decided to quit pursuing something that exceeds the requirements.
– Brian Warshaw
Feb 4 '14 at 18:51

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@scipio, I would probably remove the company name from your question :)
– Hugo Rocha
Feb 4 '14 at 20:41

@scipio, I would probably remove the company name from your question :)
– Hugo Rocha
Feb 4 '14 at 20:41

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How about referring to it as "18 months of advanced study in Life Sciences" or something similar?
– Roger
Feb 4 '14 at 21:32

How about referring to it as "18 months of advanced study in Life Sciences" or something similar?
– Roger
Feb 4 '14 at 21:32

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@HugoRocha noted and edited, thank you.
– scipio
Feb 4 '14 at 21:36

@HugoRocha noted and edited, thank you.
– scipio
Feb 4 '14 at 21:36

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I went through the process of leaving a PhD program just before the dissertation phase. I have not experienced any negative impact from this in job searching or interviewing. In fact, in some cases the interviewers have joked about how leaving early must imply that I actually have some common sense.

I wrote up some thoughts on the mathematics StackExchange site that might be relevant for this thread too.

In general, just be honest. Try to leave your PhD group on the best terms possible. Connect with peers and professors as much as you can before leaving (via LinkedIn, or swapping emails, etc.). Ask them point blank if you can count on a positive reference if you ever needed one.

If you leave on bad terms (e.g. your adviser is furious that you are leaving, or you leave without completing a certain milestone that causes everyone else to absorb more work) then it can be trickier but still not impossible.

Be honest when describing your motivations. Experiencing industrial work settings and preferring that to an academic setting is a very mature and valid reason to switch. If someone holds that against you, then you get free info that they would be a horrible boss.

I do list my lab experience on my resume. I completed several useful and interesting projects in my time as a PhD candidate, so I like to talk about these during interviews if I can. Having them on the resume does sometimes lead to confusion, so just be sure to practice a nicely worded and clear statement that explains why the resume items are there and what your thinking was in terms of leaving the PhD program.

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I think you should address your situation in your cover letter. You've been a student, now you're looking for a position doing "X" or working in field "X", etc. adjust for each application as needed. People leave school, change majors, careers and don't need to go into detail why they "quit" but need to address what it is you want. Be positive.

On the CV, just make sure you indicate your degree(s) and where you've been. Don't leave any gaps. Many full-time students are not employed at that time.

If there is any coursework, lab experiences, etc. that are relevant, make sure you include them. Academia is a little different, but in most industries, leaving a phd program would not be looked at too negatively.

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There is no need to make quitting PhD sound good. Be honest and let them know why you quit. The problem with providing partial information like "18 months of lab experience" is, if during the HR round, or during a background check, your employer comes to know about you having quit/failed PhD, it'll reflect worse on your personality.

Just let the employer know why you quit and highlight your skills and achievements. That would at the least save you from any future embarrassments.

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I went through the process of leaving a PhD program just before the dissertation phase. I have not experienced any negative impact from this in job searching or interviewing. In fact, in some cases the interviewers have joked about how leaving early must imply that I actually have some common sense.

I wrote up some thoughts on the mathematics StackExchange site that might be relevant for this thread too.

In general, just be honest. Try to leave your PhD group on the best terms possible. Connect with peers and professors as much as you can before leaving (via LinkedIn, or swapping emails, etc.). Ask them point blank if you can count on a positive reference if you ever needed one.

If you leave on bad terms (e.g. your adviser is furious that you are leaving, or you leave without completing a certain milestone that causes everyone else to absorb more work) then it can be trickier but still not impossible.

Be honest when describing your motivations. Experiencing industrial work settings and preferring that to an academic setting is a very mature and valid reason to switch. If someone holds that against you, then you get free info that they would be a horrible boss.

I do list my lab experience on my resume. I completed several useful and interesting projects in my time as a PhD candidate, so I like to talk about these during interviews if I can. Having them on the resume does sometimes lead to confusion, so just be sure to practice a nicely worded and clear statement that explains why the resume items are there and what your thinking was in terms of leaving the PhD program.

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I went through the process of leaving a PhD program just before the dissertation phase. I have not experienced any negative impact from this in job searching or interviewing. In fact, in some cases the interviewers have joked about how leaving early must imply that I actually have some common sense.

I wrote up some thoughts on the mathematics StackExchange site that might be relevant for this thread too.

In general, just be honest. Try to leave your PhD group on the best terms possible. Connect with peers and professors as much as you can before leaving (via LinkedIn, or swapping emails, etc.). Ask them point blank if you can count on a positive reference if you ever needed one.

If you leave on bad terms (e.g. your adviser is furious that you are leaving, or you leave without completing a certain milestone that causes everyone else to absorb more work) then it can be trickier but still not impossible.

Be honest when describing your motivations. Experiencing industrial work settings and preferring that to an academic setting is a very mature and valid reason to switch. If someone holds that against you, then you get free info that they would be a horrible boss.

I do list my lab experience on my resume. I completed several useful and interesting projects in my time as a PhD candidate, so I like to talk about these during interviews if I can. Having them on the resume does sometimes lead to confusion, so just be sure to practice a nicely worded and clear statement that explains why the resume items are there and what your thinking was in terms of leaving the PhD program.

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I went through the process of leaving a PhD program just before the dissertation phase. I have not experienced any negative impact from this in job searching or interviewing. In fact, in some cases the interviewers have joked about how leaving early must imply that I actually have some common sense.

I wrote up some thoughts on the mathematics StackExchange site that might be relevant for this thread too.

In general, just be honest. Try to leave your PhD group on the best terms possible. Connect with peers and professors as much as you can before leaving (via LinkedIn, or swapping emails, etc.). Ask them point blank if you can count on a positive reference if you ever needed one.

If you leave on bad terms (e.g. your adviser is furious that you are leaving, or you leave without completing a certain milestone that causes everyone else to absorb more work) then it can be trickier but still not impossible.

Be honest when describing your motivations. Experiencing industrial work settings and preferring that to an academic setting is a very mature and valid reason to switch. If someone holds that against you, then you get free info that they would be a horrible boss.

I do list my lab experience on my resume. I completed several useful and interesting projects in my time as a PhD candidate, so I like to talk about these during interviews if I can. Having them on the resume does sometimes lead to confusion, so just be sure to practice a nicely worded and clear statement that explains why the resume items are there and what your thinking was in terms of leaving the PhD program.

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I went through the process of leaving a PhD program just before the dissertation phase. I have not experienced any negative impact from this in job searching or interviewing. In fact, in some cases the interviewers have joked about how leaving early must imply that I actually have some common sense.

I wrote up some thoughts on the mathematics StackExchange site that might be relevant for this thread too.

In general, just be honest. Try to leave your PhD group on the best terms possible. Connect with peers and professors as much as you can before leaving (via LinkedIn, or swapping emails, etc.). Ask them point blank if you can count on a positive reference if you ever needed one.

If you leave on bad terms (e.g. your adviser is furious that you are leaving, or you leave without completing a certain milestone that causes everyone else to absorb more work) then it can be trickier but still not impossible.

Be honest when describing your motivations. Experiencing industrial work settings and preferring that to an academic setting is a very mature and valid reason to switch. If someone holds that against you, then you get free info that they would be a horrible boss.

I do list my lab experience on my resume. I completed several useful and interesting projects in my time as a PhD candidate, so I like to talk about these during interviews if I can. Having them on the resume does sometimes lead to confusion, so just be sure to practice a nicely worded and clear statement that explains why the resume items are there and what your thinking was in terms of leaving the PhD program.

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I think you should address your situation in your cover letter. You've been a student, now you're looking for a position doing "X" or working in field "X", etc. adjust for each application as needed. People leave school, change majors, careers and don't need to go into detail why they "quit" but need to address what it is you want. Be positive.

On the CV, just make sure you indicate your degree(s) and where you've been. Don't leave any gaps. Many full-time students are not employed at that time.

If there is any coursework, lab experiences, etc. that are relevant, make sure you include them. Academia is a little different, but in most industries, leaving a phd program would not be looked at too negatively.

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I think you should address your situation in your cover letter. You've been a student, now you're looking for a position doing "X" or working in field "X", etc. adjust for each application as needed. People leave school, change majors, careers and don't need to go into detail why they "quit" but need to address what it is you want. Be positive.

On the CV, just make sure you indicate your degree(s) and where you've been. Don't leave any gaps. Many full-time students are not employed at that time.

If there is any coursework, lab experiences, etc. that are relevant, make sure you include them. Academia is a little different, but in most industries, leaving a phd program would not be looked at too negatively.

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answered Feb 4 '14 at 21:58

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I think you should address your situation in your cover letter. You've been a student, now you're looking for a position doing "X" or working in field "X", etc. adjust for each application as needed. People leave school, change majors, careers and don't need to go into detail why they "quit" but need to address what it is you want. Be positive.

On the CV, just make sure you indicate your degree(s) and where you've been. Don't leave any gaps. Many full-time students are not employed at that time.

If there is any coursework, lab experiences, etc. that are relevant, make sure you include them. Academia is a little different, but in most industries, leaving a phd program would not be looked at too negatively.

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answered Feb 4 '14 at 21:58

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I think you should address your situation in your cover letter. You've been a student, now you're looking for a position doing "X" or working in field "X", etc. adjust for each application as needed. People leave school, change majors, careers and don't need to go into detail why they "quit" but need to address what it is you want. Be positive.

On the CV, just make sure you indicate your degree(s) and where you've been. Don't leave any gaps. Many full-time students are not employed at that time.

If there is any coursework, lab experiences, etc. that are relevant, make sure you include them. Academia is a little different, but in most industries, leaving a phd program would not be looked at too negatively.

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There is no need to make quitting PhD sound good. Be honest and let them know why you quit. The problem with providing partial information like "18 months of lab experience" is, if during the HR round, or during a background check, your employer comes to know about you having quit/failed PhD, it'll reflect worse on your personality.

Just let the employer know why you quit and highlight your skills and achievements. That would at the least save you from any future embarrassments.

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There is no need to make quitting PhD sound good. Be honest and let them know why you quit. The problem with providing partial information like "18 months of lab experience" is, if during the HR round, or during a background check, your employer comes to know about you having quit/failed PhD, it'll reflect worse on your personality.

Just let the employer know why you quit and highlight your skills and achievements. That would at the least save you from any future embarrassments.

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answered Feb 5 '14 at 5:20

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There is no need to make quitting PhD sound good. Be honest and let them know why you quit. The problem with providing partial information like "18 months of lab experience" is, if during the HR round, or during a background check, your employer comes to know about you having quit/failed PhD, it'll reflect worse on your personality.

Just let the employer know why you quit and highlight your skills and achievements. That would at the least save you from any future embarrassments.

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answered Feb 5 '14 at 5:20

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There is no need to make quitting PhD sound good. Be honest and let them know why you quit. The problem with providing partial information like "18 months of lab experience" is, if during the HR round, or during a background check, your employer comes to know about you having quit/failed PhD, it'll reflect worse on your personality.

Just let the employer know why you quit and highlight your skills and achievements. That would at the least save you from any future embarrassments.

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