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Were children separated from their parents when they were caught on the Mexican border by US officials as illegal immigrants before Trump's introduction of zero tolerance immigration policy?
I wasn't able to find other source of that information than the reactions to the removed tweet of one of the former members of the administration.
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Were children separated from their parents when they were caught on the Mexican border by US officials as illegal immigrants before Trump's introduction of zero tolerance immigration policy?
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Were children separated from their parents when they were caught on the Mexican border by US officials as illegal immigrants before Trump's introduction of zero tolerance immigration policy?
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Were children separated from their parents when they were caught on the Mexican border by US officials as illegal immigrants before Trump's introduction of zero tolerance immigration policy?
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Yes.
Probably less of them than under Trump but there were kids in cages and kids separated from their families under Obama.
Those photos of immigrant children “caged†by the US? They’re from 2014
(bias check)
"Immigrant girls sleep in a cell, Jun. 18, 2014."
Also, here's a pbs article from 2016 with the same image:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/crimes-make-immigrants-eligible-deportation
...
Update, June 18: Since this story was published, new photos have been released by the US Customs and Border Protection, revealing current detainment conditions for immigrants apprehended at the border. The current conditions closely resemble the Obama-era “cages†depicted in photos from 2014. In both cases, children are shown separated from their families, sleeping on the floor within steel-wire enclosures.
https://theintercept.com/2018/04/11/immigration-detention-sexual-abuse-ice-dhs/
(bias check)
33,000 complaints between 2010 and 2016 alleging a wide range of abuses in immigration detention.
...
sexual assault and harassment in immigration detention are not only widespread but systemic
...
In 2014, the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund filed a complaint reporting widespread allegations of sexual harassment at the Karnes County Residential Center, also in Texas, where more than 500 women were detained with their children.
https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/jun/19/matt-schlapp/no-donald-trumps-separation-immigrant-families-was/
In 2014, amid an influx of asylum seekers from Central America, the administration established large family detention centers to hold parents and children — potentially indefinitely — as a means of deterring other asylees.
...
Immigration experts we spoke to said Obama-era policies did lead to some family separations
...
some children were separated from their parents under Obama, this was relatively rare, and occurred at a far lower rate than under Trump
Trump correctly tweets that Democrats mistakenly tweeted photo of child migrants being held in 2014
To address a point that came up in the comments.
Were illegal immigrants without criminal records for anything else arrested under obama:
Over the first full 14 months of the Trump administration, 69% of undocumented immigrants arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents had a criminal record. Over the final two years of the Obama administration, that number was 86%.
ICE agents have arrested an average of 4,143 undocumented immigrants without a criminal record each month under the Trump administration. In the final two years under Obama, the agents averaged 1,703 a month.
Those numbers show the radical change in immigration enforcement implemented by President Trump, who issued new directives to ICE shortly after taking office in January 2017.
ICE arresting more non-criminal undocumented immigrants
So 14% of immigrants arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement under Obama didn't have a criminal record other than that related to immigrating illegally.
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@FrownyFrog That was a rethoric question. What I'm trying to put in evidence is that there are a lot of ruckus because of the word "cage", in an attempt to link what is done to those children to what is done to animals. If you use the word "cell", which would be the correct one in this context, the "power" of the claim gets really diminished. There is a reason why they don't call "cells" in prision "cages".
– T. Sar
2 days ago
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@T.Sar one definition of "cage" from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 4th Edition: "A barred room or fenced enclosure for confining prisoners."
– jinglesthula
2 days ago
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@jinglesthula Indeed. but what dictionaries don't account for is the emotional value attached to a given word. The more usual context for using the word "cage" is when referring to animals, or being treated like one, and that's the imagery you invoke when using that word. Don't get me wrong - this situation is very sad, but I dislike how the author of the original claim picked a specific word to make it way worse than what it is.
– T. Sar
2 days ago
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@T.Sar To me, it looks like a cage because all the walls are wire fences (including the roof, I think), as opposed to a cell, which is a more permanent construct, essentially a room inside a jail or prison.
– gerrit
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Do you have a source for "probably less"?
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Were children separated from their parents when they were caught on
the Mexican border by US officials as illegal immigrants before
Trump's introduction of zero tolerance immigration policy?
Yes, children were held in cages. No, this did not happen if their parents were merely illegal immigrants. Obama-era policy was that illegal immigrants with children would only be prosecuted (and hence separated from their children) if they had committed some other crime, such as bringing in illegal drugs. They were not separated if they were caught as illegal immigrants.
Trump has now turned this into a "zero tolerance" policy in which any crime, including illegal immigration, is prosecuted, leading to families being broken up merely for crossing the border. This also applies to families seeking asylum: people who appear at the legal crossing points and ask for asylum are turned away, and thus denied their right to asylum. However if they cross into the US illegally, find a border officer, and request asylum, they are deemed to have entered illegally and prosecuted.
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The last part of the top answer directly contradicts your claim that "No, this did not happen if their parents were merely illegal immigrants". Evidence for your claim that contradicts the other answer?
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@JimClay No it doesn't contradict it. The figures are for arrested migrants with a criminal record, i.e. a conviction that predates their current arrest.
– Paul Johnson
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"Over the first full 14 months of the Trump administration, 69% of undocumented immigrants arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents had a criminal record. Over the final two years of the Obama administration, that number was 86%." Unless I am misunderstanding this, this implies that 14% of the arrested immigrants during the last two years of Obama's administration did not have criminal records.
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Yes.
Probably less of them than under Trump but there were kids in cages and kids separated from their families under Obama.
Those photos of immigrant children “caged†by the US? They’re from 2014
(bias check)
"Immigrant girls sleep in a cell, Jun. 18, 2014."
Also, here's a pbs article from 2016 with the same image:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/crimes-make-immigrants-eligible-deportation
...
Update, June 18: Since this story was published, new photos have been released by the US Customs and Border Protection, revealing current detainment conditions for immigrants apprehended at the border. The current conditions closely resemble the Obama-era “cages†depicted in photos from 2014. In both cases, children are shown separated from their families, sleeping on the floor within steel-wire enclosures.
https://theintercept.com/2018/04/11/immigration-detention-sexual-abuse-ice-dhs/
(bias check)
33,000 complaints between 2010 and 2016 alleging a wide range of abuses in immigration detention.
...
sexual assault and harassment in immigration detention are not only widespread but systemic
...
In 2014, the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund filed a complaint reporting widespread allegations of sexual harassment at the Karnes County Residential Center, also in Texas, where more than 500 women were detained with their children.
https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/jun/19/matt-schlapp/no-donald-trumps-separation-immigrant-families-was/
In 2014, amid an influx of asylum seekers from Central America, the administration established large family detention centers to hold parents and children — potentially indefinitely — as a means of deterring other asylees.
...
Immigration experts we spoke to said Obama-era policies did lead to some family separations
...
some children were separated from their parents under Obama, this was relatively rare, and occurred at a far lower rate than under Trump
Trump correctly tweets that Democrats mistakenly tweeted photo of child migrants being held in 2014
To address a point that came up in the comments.
Were illegal immigrants without criminal records for anything else arrested under obama:
Over the first full 14 months of the Trump administration, 69% of undocumented immigrants arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents had a criminal record. Over the final two years of the Obama administration, that number was 86%.
ICE agents have arrested an average of 4,143 undocumented immigrants without a criminal record each month under the Trump administration. In the final two years under Obama, the agents averaged 1,703 a month.
Those numbers show the radical change in immigration enforcement implemented by President Trump, who issued new directives to ICE shortly after taking office in January 2017.
ICE arresting more non-criminal undocumented immigrants
So 14% of immigrants arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement under Obama didn't have a criminal record other than that related to immigrating illegally.
answered 2 days ago
Murphy
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@FrownyFrog That was a rethoric question. What I'm trying to put in evidence is that there are a lot of ruckus because of the word "cage", in an attempt to link what is done to those children to what is done to animals. If you use the word "cell", which would be the correct one in this context, the "power" of the claim gets really diminished. There is a reason why they don't call "cells" in prision "cages".
– T. Sar
2 days ago
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@T.Sar one definition of "cage" from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 4th Edition: "A barred room or fenced enclosure for confining prisoners."
– jinglesthula
2 days ago
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@jinglesthula Indeed. but what dictionaries don't account for is the emotional value attached to a given word. The more usual context for using the word "cage" is when referring to animals, or being treated like one, and that's the imagery you invoke when using that word. Don't get me wrong - this situation is very sad, but I dislike how the author of the original claim picked a specific word to make it way worse than what it is.
– T. Sar
2 days ago
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@T.Sar To me, it looks like a cage because all the walls are wire fences (including the roof, I think), as opposed to a cell, which is a more permanent construct, essentially a room inside a jail or prison.
– gerrit
2 days ago
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Do you have a source for "probably less"?
– chrylis
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Yes.
Probably less of them than under Trump but there were kids in cages and kids separated from their families under Obama.
Those photos of immigrant children “caged†by the US? They’re from 2014
(bias check)
"Immigrant girls sleep in a cell, Jun. 18, 2014."
Also, here's a pbs article from 2016 with the same image:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/crimes-make-immigrants-eligible-deportation
...
Update, June 18: Since this story was published, new photos have been released by the US Customs and Border Protection, revealing current detainment conditions for immigrants apprehended at the border. The current conditions closely resemble the Obama-era “cages†depicted in photos from 2014. In both cases, children are shown separated from their families, sleeping on the floor within steel-wire enclosures.
https://theintercept.com/2018/04/11/immigration-detention-sexual-abuse-ice-dhs/
(bias check)
33,000 complaints between 2010 and 2016 alleging a wide range of abuses in immigration detention.
...
sexual assault and harassment in immigration detention are not only widespread but systemic
...
In 2014, the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund filed a complaint reporting widespread allegations of sexual harassment at the Karnes County Residential Center, also in Texas, where more than 500 women were detained with their children.
https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/jun/19/matt-schlapp/no-donald-trumps-separation-immigrant-families-was/
In 2014, amid an influx of asylum seekers from Central America, the administration established large family detention centers to hold parents and children — potentially indefinitely — as a means of deterring other asylees.
...
Immigration experts we spoke to said Obama-era policies did lead to some family separations
...
some children were separated from their parents under Obama, this was relatively rare, and occurred at a far lower rate than under Trump
Trump correctly tweets that Democrats mistakenly tweeted photo of child migrants being held in 2014
To address a point that came up in the comments.
Were illegal immigrants without criminal records for anything else arrested under obama:
Over the first full 14 months of the Trump administration, 69% of undocumented immigrants arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents had a criminal record. Over the final two years of the Obama administration, that number was 86%.
ICE agents have arrested an average of 4,143 undocumented immigrants without a criminal record each month under the Trump administration. In the final two years under Obama, the agents averaged 1,703 a month.
Those numbers show the radical change in immigration enforcement implemented by President Trump, who issued new directives to ICE shortly after taking office in January 2017.
ICE arresting more non-criminal undocumented immigrants
So 14% of immigrants arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement under Obama didn't have a criminal record other than that related to immigrating illegally.
answered 2 days ago
Murphy
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@FrownyFrog That was a rethoric question. What I'm trying to put in evidence is that there are a lot of ruckus because of the word "cage", in an attempt to link what is done to those children to what is done to animals. If you use the word "cell", which would be the correct one in this context, the "power" of the claim gets really diminished. There is a reason why they don't call "cells" in prision "cages".
– T. Sar
2 days ago
4
@T.Sar one definition of "cage" from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 4th Edition: "A barred room or fenced enclosure for confining prisoners."
– jinglesthula
2 days ago
25
@jinglesthula Indeed. but what dictionaries don't account for is the emotional value attached to a given word. The more usual context for using the word "cage" is when referring to animals, or being treated like one, and that's the imagery you invoke when using that word. Don't get me wrong - this situation is very sad, but I dislike how the author of the original claim picked a specific word to make it way worse than what it is.
– T. Sar
2 days ago
21
@T.Sar To me, it looks like a cage because all the walls are wire fences (including the roof, I think), as opposed to a cell, which is a more permanent construct, essentially a room inside a jail or prison.
– gerrit
2 days ago
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Do you have a source for "probably less"?
– chrylis
2 days ago
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Yes.
Probably less of them than under Trump but there were kids in cages and kids separated from their families under Obama.
Those photos of immigrant children “caged†by the US? They’re from 2014
(bias check)
"Immigrant girls sleep in a cell, Jun. 18, 2014."
Also, here's a pbs article from 2016 with the same image:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/crimes-make-immigrants-eligible-deportation
...
Update, June 18: Since this story was published, new photos have been released by the US Customs and Border Protection, revealing current detainment conditions for immigrants apprehended at the border. The current conditions closely resemble the Obama-era “cages†depicted in photos from 2014. In both cases, children are shown separated from their families, sleeping on the floor within steel-wire enclosures.
https://theintercept.com/2018/04/11/immigration-detention-sexual-abuse-ice-dhs/
(bias check)
33,000 complaints between 2010 and 2016 alleging a wide range of abuses in immigration detention.
...
sexual assault and harassment in immigration detention are not only widespread but systemic
...
In 2014, the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund filed a complaint reporting widespread allegations of sexual harassment at the Karnes County Residential Center, also in Texas, where more than 500 women were detained with their children.
https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/jun/19/matt-schlapp/no-donald-trumps-separation-immigrant-families-was/
In 2014, amid an influx of asylum seekers from Central America, the administration established large family detention centers to hold parents and children — potentially indefinitely — as a means of deterring other asylees.
...
Immigration experts we spoke to said Obama-era policies did lead to some family separations
...
some children were separated from their parents under Obama, this was relatively rare, and occurred at a far lower rate than under Trump
Trump correctly tweets that Democrats mistakenly tweeted photo of child migrants being held in 2014
To address a point that came up in the comments.
Were illegal immigrants without criminal records for anything else arrested under obama:
Over the first full 14 months of the Trump administration, 69% of undocumented immigrants arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents had a criminal record. Over the final two years of the Obama administration, that number was 86%.
ICE agents have arrested an average of 4,143 undocumented immigrants without a criminal record each month under the Trump administration. In the final two years under Obama, the agents averaged 1,703 a month.
Those numbers show the radical change in immigration enforcement implemented by President Trump, who issued new directives to ICE shortly after taking office in January 2017.
ICE arresting more non-criminal undocumented immigrants
So 14% of immigrants arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement under Obama didn't have a criminal record other than that related to immigrating illegally.
answered 2 days ago
Murphy
7,29313840
Yes.
Probably less of them than under Trump but there were kids in cages and kids separated from their families under Obama.
Those photos of immigrant children “caged†by the US? They’re from 2014
(bias check)
"Immigrant girls sleep in a cell, Jun. 18, 2014."
Also, here's a pbs article from 2016 with the same image:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/crimes-make-immigrants-eligible-deportation
...
Update, June 18: Since this story was published, new photos have been released by the US Customs and Border Protection, revealing current detainment conditions for immigrants apprehended at the border. The current conditions closely resemble the Obama-era “cages†depicted in photos from 2014. In both cases, children are shown separated from their families, sleeping on the floor within steel-wire enclosures.
https://theintercept.com/2018/04/11/immigration-detention-sexual-abuse-ice-dhs/
(bias check)
33,000 complaints between 2010 and 2016 alleging a wide range of abuses in immigration detention.
...
sexual assault and harassment in immigration detention are not only widespread but systemic
...
In 2014, the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund filed a complaint reporting widespread allegations of sexual harassment at the Karnes County Residential Center, also in Texas, where more than 500 women were detained with their children.
https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/jun/19/matt-schlapp/no-donald-trumps-separation-immigrant-families-was/
In 2014, amid an influx of asylum seekers from Central America, the administration established large family detention centers to hold parents and children — potentially indefinitely — as a means of deterring other asylees.
...
Immigration experts we spoke to said Obama-era policies did lead to some family separations
...
some children were separated from their parents under Obama, this was relatively rare, and occurred at a far lower rate than under Trump
Trump correctly tweets that Democrats mistakenly tweeted photo of child migrants being held in 2014
To address a point that came up in the comments.
Were illegal immigrants without criminal records for anything else arrested under obama:
Over the first full 14 months of the Trump administration, 69% of undocumented immigrants arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents had a criminal record. Over the final two years of the Obama administration, that number was 86%.
ICE agents have arrested an average of 4,143 undocumented immigrants without a criminal record each month under the Trump administration. In the final two years under Obama, the agents averaged 1,703 a month.
Those numbers show the radical change in immigration enforcement implemented by President Trump, who issued new directives to ICE shortly after taking office in January 2017.
ICE arresting more non-criminal undocumented immigrants
So 14% of immigrants arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement under Obama didn't have a criminal record other than that related to immigrating illegally.
answered 2 days ago
Murphy
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@FrownyFrog That was a rethoric question. What I'm trying to put in evidence is that there are a lot of ruckus because of the word "cage", in an attempt to link what is done to those children to what is done to animals. If you use the word "cell", which would be the correct one in this context, the "power" of the claim gets really diminished. There is a reason why they don't call "cells" in prision "cages".
– T. Sar
2 days ago
4
@T.Sar one definition of "cage" from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 4th Edition: "A barred room or fenced enclosure for confining prisoners."
– jinglesthula
2 days ago
25
@jinglesthula Indeed. but what dictionaries don't account for is the emotional value attached to a given word. The more usual context for using the word "cage" is when referring to animals, or being treated like one, and that's the imagery you invoke when using that word. Don't get me wrong - this situation is very sad, but I dislike how the author of the original claim picked a specific word to make it way worse than what it is.
– T. Sar
2 days ago
21
@T.Sar To me, it looks like a cage because all the walls are wire fences (including the roof, I think), as opposed to a cell, which is a more permanent construct, essentially a room inside a jail or prison.
– gerrit
2 days ago
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Do you have a source for "probably less"?
– chrylis
2 days ago
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@FrownyFrog That was a rethoric question. What I'm trying to put in evidence is that there are a lot of ruckus because of the word "cage", in an attempt to link what is done to those children to what is done to animals. If you use the word "cell", which would be the correct one in this context, the "power" of the claim gets really diminished. There is a reason why they don't call "cells" in prision "cages".
– T. Sar
2 days ago
4
@T.Sar one definition of "cage" from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 4th Edition: "A barred room or fenced enclosure for confining prisoners."
– jinglesthula
2 days ago
25
@jinglesthula Indeed. but what dictionaries don't account for is the emotional value attached to a given word. The more usual context for using the word "cage" is when referring to animals, or being treated like one, and that's the imagery you invoke when using that word. Don't get me wrong - this situation is very sad, but I dislike how the author of the original claim picked a specific word to make it way worse than what it is.
– T. Sar
2 days ago
21
@T.Sar To me, it looks like a cage because all the walls are wire fences (including the roof, I think), as opposed to a cell, which is a more permanent construct, essentially a room inside a jail or prison.
– gerrit
2 days ago
7
Do you have a source for "probably less"?
– chrylis
2 days ago
39
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@FrownyFrog That was a rethoric question. What I'm trying to put in evidence is that there are a lot of ruckus because of the word "cage", in an attempt to link what is done to those children to what is done to animals. If you use the word "cell", which would be the correct one in this context, the "power" of the claim gets really diminished. There is a reason why they don't call "cells" in prision "cages".
– T. Sar
2 days ago
@FrownyFrog That was a rethoric question. What I'm trying to put in evidence is that there are a lot of ruckus because of the word "cage", in an attempt to link what is done to those children to what is done to animals. If you use the word "cell", which would be the correct one in this context, the "power" of the claim gets really diminished. There is a reason why they don't call "cells" in prision "cages".
– T. Sar
2 days ago
4
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@T.Sar one definition of "cage" from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 4th Edition: "A barred room or fenced enclosure for confining prisoners."
– jinglesthula
2 days ago
@T.Sar one definition of "cage" from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 4th Edition: "A barred room or fenced enclosure for confining prisoners."
– jinglesthula
2 days ago
25
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@jinglesthula Indeed. but what dictionaries don't account for is the emotional value attached to a given word. The more usual context for using the word "cage" is when referring to animals, or being treated like one, and that's the imagery you invoke when using that word. Don't get me wrong - this situation is very sad, but I dislike how the author of the original claim picked a specific word to make it way worse than what it is.
– T. Sar
2 days ago
@jinglesthula Indeed. but what dictionaries don't account for is the emotional value attached to a given word. The more usual context for using the word "cage" is when referring to animals, or being treated like one, and that's the imagery you invoke when using that word. Don't get me wrong - this situation is very sad, but I dislike how the author of the original claim picked a specific word to make it way worse than what it is.
– T. Sar
2 days ago
21
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@T.Sar To me, it looks like a cage because all the walls are wire fences (including the roof, I think), as opposed to a cell, which is a more permanent construct, essentially a room inside a jail or prison.
– gerrit
2 days ago
@T.Sar To me, it looks like a cage because all the walls are wire fences (including the roof, I think), as opposed to a cell, which is a more permanent construct, essentially a room inside a jail or prison.
– gerrit
2 days ago
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Do you have a source for "probably less"?
– chrylis
2 days ago
Do you have a source for "probably less"?
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2 days ago
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Were children separated from their parents when they were caught on
the Mexican border by US officials as illegal immigrants before
Trump's introduction of zero tolerance immigration policy?
Yes, children were held in cages. No, this did not happen if their parents were merely illegal immigrants. Obama-era policy was that illegal immigrants with children would only be prosecuted (and hence separated from their children) if they had committed some other crime, such as bringing in illegal drugs. They were not separated if they were caught as illegal immigrants.
Trump has now turned this into a "zero tolerance" policy in which any crime, including illegal immigration, is prosecuted, leading to families being broken up merely for crossing the border. This also applies to families seeking asylum: people who appear at the legal crossing points and ask for asylum are turned away, and thus denied their right to asylum. However if they cross into the US illegally, find a border officer, and request asylum, they are deemed to have entered illegally and prosecuted.
answered 2 days ago
Paul Johnson
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The last part of the top answer directly contradicts your claim that "No, this did not happen if their parents were merely illegal immigrants". Evidence for your claim that contradicts the other answer?
– Jim Clay
10 hours ago
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@JimClay No it doesn't contradict it. The figures are for arrested migrants with a criminal record, i.e. a conviction that predates their current arrest.
– Paul Johnson
9 hours ago
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"Over the first full 14 months of the Trump administration, 69% of undocumented immigrants arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents had a criminal record. Over the final two years of the Obama administration, that number was 86%." Unless I am misunderstanding this, this implies that 14% of the arrested immigrants during the last two years of Obama's administration did not have criminal records.
– Jim Clay
8 hours ago
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up vote
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down vote
Were children separated from their parents when they were caught on
the Mexican border by US officials as illegal immigrants before
Trump's introduction of zero tolerance immigration policy?
Yes, children were held in cages. No, this did not happen if their parents were merely illegal immigrants. Obama-era policy was that illegal immigrants with children would only be prosecuted (and hence separated from their children) if they had committed some other crime, such as bringing in illegal drugs. They were not separated if they were caught as illegal immigrants.
Trump has now turned this into a "zero tolerance" policy in which any crime, including illegal immigration, is prosecuted, leading to families being broken up merely for crossing the border. This also applies to families seeking asylum: people who appear at the legal crossing points and ask for asylum are turned away, and thus denied their right to asylum. However if they cross into the US illegally, find a border officer, and request asylum, they are deemed to have entered illegally and prosecuted.
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The last part of the top answer directly contradicts your claim that "No, this did not happen if their parents were merely illegal immigrants". Evidence for your claim that contradicts the other answer?
– Jim Clay
10 hours ago
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@JimClay No it doesn't contradict it. The figures are for arrested migrants with a criminal record, i.e. a conviction that predates their current arrest.
– Paul Johnson
9 hours ago
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"Over the first full 14 months of the Trump administration, 69% of undocumented immigrants arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents had a criminal record. Over the final two years of the Obama administration, that number was 86%." Unless I am misunderstanding this, this implies that 14% of the arrested immigrants during the last two years of Obama's administration did not have criminal records.
– Jim Clay
8 hours ago
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Were children separated from their parents when they were caught on
the Mexican border by US officials as illegal immigrants before
Trump's introduction of zero tolerance immigration policy?
Yes, children were held in cages. No, this did not happen if their parents were merely illegal immigrants. Obama-era policy was that illegal immigrants with children would only be prosecuted (and hence separated from their children) if they had committed some other crime, such as bringing in illegal drugs. They were not separated if they were caught as illegal immigrants.
Trump has now turned this into a "zero tolerance" policy in which any crime, including illegal immigration, is prosecuted, leading to families being broken up merely for crossing the border. This also applies to families seeking asylum: people who appear at the legal crossing points and ask for asylum are turned away, and thus denied their right to asylum. However if they cross into the US illegally, find a border officer, and request asylum, they are deemed to have entered illegally and prosecuted.
answered 2 days ago
Paul Johnson
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Were children separated from their parents when they were caught on
the Mexican border by US officials as illegal immigrants before
Trump's introduction of zero tolerance immigration policy?
Yes, children were held in cages. No, this did not happen if their parents were merely illegal immigrants. Obama-era policy was that illegal immigrants with children would only be prosecuted (and hence separated from their children) if they had committed some other crime, such as bringing in illegal drugs. They were not separated if they were caught as illegal immigrants.
Trump has now turned this into a "zero tolerance" policy in which any crime, including illegal immigration, is prosecuted, leading to families being broken up merely for crossing the border. This also applies to families seeking asylum: people who appear at the legal crossing points and ask for asylum are turned away, and thus denied their right to asylum. However if they cross into the US illegally, find a border officer, and request asylum, they are deemed to have entered illegally and prosecuted.
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Paul Johnson
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The last part of the top answer directly contradicts your claim that "No, this did not happen if their parents were merely illegal immigrants". Evidence for your claim that contradicts the other answer?
– Jim Clay
10 hours ago
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@JimClay No it doesn't contradict it. The figures are for arrested migrants with a criminal record, i.e. a conviction that predates their current arrest.
– Paul Johnson
9 hours ago
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"Over the first full 14 months of the Trump administration, 69% of undocumented immigrants arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents had a criminal record. Over the final two years of the Obama administration, that number was 86%." Unless I am misunderstanding this, this implies that 14% of the arrested immigrants during the last two years of Obama's administration did not have criminal records.
– Jim Clay
8 hours ago
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The last part of the top answer directly contradicts your claim that "No, this did not happen if their parents were merely illegal immigrants". Evidence for your claim that contradicts the other answer?
– Jim Clay
10 hours ago
1
@JimClay No it doesn't contradict it. The figures are for arrested migrants with a criminal record, i.e. a conviction that predates their current arrest.
– Paul Johnson
9 hours ago
3
"Over the first full 14 months of the Trump administration, 69% of undocumented immigrants arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents had a criminal record. Over the final two years of the Obama administration, that number was 86%." Unless I am misunderstanding this, this implies that 14% of the arrested immigrants during the last two years of Obama's administration did not have criminal records.
– Jim Clay
8 hours ago
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The last part of the top answer directly contradicts your claim that "No, this did not happen if their parents were merely illegal immigrants". Evidence for your claim that contradicts the other answer?
– Jim Clay
10 hours ago
The last part of the top answer directly contradicts your claim that "No, this did not happen if their parents were merely illegal immigrants". Evidence for your claim that contradicts the other answer?
– Jim Clay
10 hours ago
1
1
@JimClay No it doesn't contradict it. The figures are for arrested migrants with a criminal record, i.e. a conviction that predates their current arrest.
– Paul Johnson
9 hours ago
@JimClay No it doesn't contradict it. The figures are for arrested migrants with a criminal record, i.e. a conviction that predates their current arrest.
– Paul Johnson
9 hours ago
3
3
"Over the first full 14 months of the Trump administration, 69% of undocumented immigrants arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents had a criminal record. Over the final two years of the Obama administration, that number was 86%." Unless I am misunderstanding this, this implies that 14% of the arrested immigrants during the last two years of Obama's administration did not have criminal records.
– Jim Clay
8 hours ago
"Over the first full 14 months of the Trump administration, 69% of undocumented immigrants arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents had a criminal record. Over the final two years of the Obama administration, that number was 86%." Unless I am misunderstanding this, this implies that 14% of the arrested immigrants during the last two years of Obama's administration did not have criminal records.
– Jim Clay
8 hours ago
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