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Given that one is contractually bound by a non-moonlighting clause, is it a possible loop-hole to provide expertise via a proxy?
Scenario
If my previous employer wishes to procure my expertise and perhaps perform work.
Could I suggest they hire another person (a relative or friend) who need not necessarily have any experience in the field. I "advise" that person over casual conversation at home who then gets paid.
I would like to understand it that I am not employed, therefore I am not moon-lighting. But I would welcome more knowledgeable opinions.
Remark
I am not suggesting that I break the law or breach contract. Should I be approached I would like to know what my legal options are.
Edit
Thank you everyone for understanding my very hypothetical question. I do not intend to do such a thing. I don't even want to do this work anymore. I guess it was more out of interest.
Thank you for participating in a civil discussion. Which is rare in the internet :)
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Given that one is contractually bound by a non-moonlighting clause, is it a possible loop-hole to provide expertise via a proxy?
Scenario
If my previous employer wishes to procure my expertise and perhaps perform work.
Could I suggest they hire another person (a relative or friend) who need not necessarily have any experience in the field. I "advise" that person over casual conversation at home who then gets paid.
I would like to understand it that I am not employed, therefore I am not moon-lighting. But I would welcome more knowledgeable opinions.
Remark
I am not suggesting that I break the law or breach contract. Should I be approached I would like to know what my legal options are.
Edit
Thank you everyone for understanding my very hypothetical question. I do not intend to do such a thing. I don't even want to do this work anymore. I guess it was more out of interest.
Thank you for participating in a civil discussion. Which is rare in the internet :)
contracts south-africa moonlighting
asked Aug 31 at 8:00
user2818782
38218
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So you're basically going to be doing the work here and using your "friend" as a mule?
– Snow♦
Aug 31 at 8:08
1
After you'll be aware of your legal options can I humbly suggest to also consider ethical implications?
– Adriano Repetti
Aug 31 at 8:14
1
I think the answers here should focus on the legality of non-moonlighting clauses in a given jurisdiction and in that case a lawyer may be a better bet than an online forum.
– Alper
Aug 31 at 8:39
@AdrianoRepetti as for ethical concerns; as long as my work at my employer is not negatively affected, my conscience is OK with it. That is the whole reason behind the non-moonlighting clause, to prevent one's work from being impacted.
– user2818782
Aug 31 at 9:21
@Alper I agree 100%. a big IF it were to happen, I would definitely consult a professional first.
– user2818782
Aug 31 at 9:22
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Given that one is contractually bound by a non-moonlighting clause, is it a possible loop-hole to provide expertise via a proxy?
Scenario
If my previous employer wishes to procure my expertise and perhaps perform work.
Could I suggest they hire another person (a relative or friend) who need not necessarily have any experience in the field. I "advise" that person over casual conversation at home who then gets paid.
I would like to understand it that I am not employed, therefore I am not moon-lighting. But I would welcome more knowledgeable opinions.
Remark
I am not suggesting that I break the law or breach contract. Should I be approached I would like to know what my legal options are.
Edit
Thank you everyone for understanding my very hypothetical question. I do not intend to do such a thing. I don't even want to do this work anymore. I guess it was more out of interest.
Thank you for participating in a civil discussion. Which is rare in the internet :)
contracts south-africa moonlighting
asked Aug 31 at 8:00
user2818782
38218
Given that one is contractually bound by a non-moonlighting clause, is it a possible loop-hole to provide expertise via a proxy?
Scenario
If my previous employer wishes to procure my expertise and perhaps perform work.
Could I suggest they hire another person (a relative or friend) who need not necessarily have any experience in the field. I "advise" that person over casual conversation at home who then gets paid.
I would like to understand it that I am not employed, therefore I am not moon-lighting. But I would welcome more knowledgeable opinions.
Remark
I am not suggesting that I break the law or breach contract. Should I be approached I would like to know what my legal options are.
Edit
Thank you everyone for understanding my very hypothetical question. I do not intend to do such a thing. I don't even want to do this work anymore. I guess it was more out of interest.
Thank you for participating in a civil discussion. Which is rare in the internet :)
contracts south-africa moonlighting
asked Aug 31 at 8:00
user2818782
38218
edited Aug 31 at 9:31
asked Aug 31 at 8:00
user2818782
38218
asked Aug 31 at 8:00
user2818782
38218
asked Aug 31 at 8:00
user2818782
38218
38218
1
So you're basically going to be doing the work here and using your "friend" as a mule?
– Snow♦
Aug 31 at 8:08
1
After you'll be aware of your legal options can I humbly suggest to also consider ethical implications?
– Adriano Repetti
Aug 31 at 8:14
1
I think the answers here should focus on the legality of non-moonlighting clauses in a given jurisdiction and in that case a lawyer may be a better bet than an online forum.
– Alper
Aug 31 at 8:39
@AdrianoRepetti as for ethical concerns; as long as my work at my employer is not negatively affected, my conscience is OK with it. That is the whole reason behind the non-moonlighting clause, to prevent one's work from being impacted.
– user2818782
Aug 31 at 9:21
@Alper I agree 100%. a big IF it were to happen, I would definitely consult a professional first.
– user2818782
Aug 31 at 9:22
 |Â
show 1 more comment
1
So you're basically going to be doing the work here and using your "friend" as a mule?
– Snow♦
Aug 31 at 8:08
1
After you'll be aware of your legal options can I humbly suggest to also consider ethical implications?
– Adriano Repetti
Aug 31 at 8:14
1
I think the answers here should focus on the legality of non-moonlighting clauses in a given jurisdiction and in that case a lawyer may be a better bet than an online forum.
– Alper
Aug 31 at 8:39
@AdrianoRepetti as for ethical concerns; as long as my work at my employer is not negatively affected, my conscience is OK with it. That is the whole reason behind the non-moonlighting clause, to prevent one's work from being impacted.
– user2818782
Aug 31 at 9:21
@Alper I agree 100%. a big IF it were to happen, I would definitely consult a professional first.
– user2818782
Aug 31 at 9:22
1
1
So you're basically going to be doing the work here and using your "friend" as a mule?
– Snow♦
Aug 31 at 8:08
So you're basically going to be doing the work here and using your "friend" as a mule?
– Snow♦
Aug 31 at 8:08
1
1
After you'll be aware of your legal options can I humbly suggest to also consider ethical implications?
– Adriano Repetti
Aug 31 at 8:14
After you'll be aware of your legal options can I humbly suggest to also consider ethical implications?
– Adriano Repetti
Aug 31 at 8:14
1
1
I think the answers here should focus on the legality of non-moonlighting clauses in a given jurisdiction and in that case a lawyer may be a better bet than an online forum.
– Alper
Aug 31 at 8:39
I think the answers here should focus on the legality of non-moonlighting clauses in a given jurisdiction and in that case a lawyer may be a better bet than an online forum.
– Alper
Aug 31 at 8:39
@AdrianoRepetti as for ethical concerns; as long as my work at my employer is not negatively affected, my conscience is OK with it. That is the whole reason behind the non-moonlighting clause, to prevent one's work from being impacted.
– user2818782
Aug 31 at 9:21
@AdrianoRepetti as for ethical concerns; as long as my work at my employer is not negatively affected, my conscience is OK with it. That is the whole reason behind the non-moonlighting clause, to prevent one's work from being impacted.
– user2818782
Aug 31 at 9:21
@Alper I agree 100%. a big IF it were to happen, I would definitely consult a professional first.
– user2818782
Aug 31 at 9:22
@Alper I agree 100%. a big IF it were to happen, I would definitely consult a professional first.
– user2818782
Aug 31 at 9:22
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One important question that may cause you to reconsider this: do you trust your previous employer to have your best interests at heart and not ‘mention’ this arrangement to your current employer for whatever reason?
And if you must do this, ethically I would consider the harm done and the repercussions upon discovery.
answered Aug 31 at 8:42
Alper
51218
1
You raise a good point. Even if it's completely legal, the potential damage to my relationship with my new employer would not be worth it.
– user2818782
Aug 31 at 9:26
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You're a bit stuck here.
In order for your scheme to work, your previous employer must be aware of your situation and be fine about it. It's unlikely that they're going to employ someone who obviously does not have the skills or experience to complete this piece of work and they're not likely to be fooled by you saying you're involved on an "advisory" basis - they'll just assume that you're doing the work.
That's your first hurdle right there. If they do accept, then they accept that they're complicit with you breaking your contractual agreement with your current employer.
Whether they're going to risk that or not is their concern.
Using a friend/relative as a mule doesn't really alter the fact that you're breaking the terms of your employment. Your friend won't ultimately be doing the work - you will. He/She won't stand up to questioning should the situation be questioned in the future.
Basically, it's a big fat risk for you and your previous employer.
answered Aug 31 at 8:25
Snow♦
51.5k46170213
1
Good answer, I'd also add that 1) your friend should also give you the money and it might be both suspicious or plain illegal if you don't pay taxes on that 2) your friend may be responsible for your work and she may not have the legal qualifications required by the law
– Adriano Repetti
Aug 31 at 9:00
@AdrianoRepetti Good points. I would of course pay taxes, not trying to skirt that. And the field it software development, so there's not legal certifications that need to be complied with.
– user2818782
Aug 31 at 9:25
@Snow I am assuming that my previous employer would understand my scheme in a "nudge nudge wink wink" kind of way. So the mule having to explain their (my) work would not be a concern.
– user2818782
Aug 31 at 9:28
add a comment |Â
2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
up vote
3
down vote
accepted
One important question that may cause you to reconsider this: do you trust your previous employer to have your best interests at heart and not ‘mention’ this arrangement to your current employer for whatever reason?
And if you must do this, ethically I would consider the harm done and the repercussions upon discovery.
answered Aug 31 at 8:42
Alper
51218
1
You raise a good point. Even if it's completely legal, the potential damage to my relationship with my new employer would not be worth it.
– user2818782
Aug 31 at 9:26
add a comment |Â
up vote
3
down vote
accepted
One important question that may cause you to reconsider this: do you trust your previous employer to have your best interests at heart and not ‘mention’ this arrangement to your current employer for whatever reason?
And if you must do this, ethically I would consider the harm done and the repercussions upon discovery.
answered Aug 31 at 8:42
Alper
51218
1
You raise a good point. Even if it's completely legal, the potential damage to my relationship with my new employer would not be worth it.
– user2818782
Aug 31 at 9:26
add a comment |Â
up vote
3
down vote
accepted
up vote
3
down vote
accepted
One important question that may cause you to reconsider this: do you trust your previous employer to have your best interests at heart and not ‘mention’ this arrangement to your current employer for whatever reason?
And if you must do this, ethically I would consider the harm done and the repercussions upon discovery.
answered Aug 31 at 8:42
Alper
51218
One important question that may cause you to reconsider this: do you trust your previous employer to have your best interests at heart and not ‘mention’ this arrangement to your current employer for whatever reason?
And if you must do this, ethically I would consider the harm done and the repercussions upon discovery.
answered Aug 31 at 8:42
Alper
51218
edited Aug 31 at 10:00
answered Aug 31 at 8:42
Alper
51218
answered Aug 31 at 8:42
Alper
51218
answered Aug 31 at 8:42
Alper
51218
51218
1
You raise a good point. Even if it's completely legal, the potential damage to my relationship with my new employer would not be worth it.
– user2818782
Aug 31 at 9:26
add a comment |Â
1
You raise a good point. Even if it's completely legal, the potential damage to my relationship with my new employer would not be worth it.
– user2818782
Aug 31 at 9:26
1
1
You raise a good point. Even if it's completely legal, the potential damage to my relationship with my new employer would not be worth it.
– user2818782
Aug 31 at 9:26
You raise a good point. Even if it's completely legal, the potential damage to my relationship with my new employer would not be worth it.
– user2818782
Aug 31 at 9:26
add a comment |Â
up vote
6
down vote
You're a bit stuck here.
In order for your scheme to work, your previous employer must be aware of your situation and be fine about it. It's unlikely that they're going to employ someone who obviously does not have the skills or experience to complete this piece of work and they're not likely to be fooled by you saying you're involved on an "advisory" basis - they'll just assume that you're doing the work.
That's your first hurdle right there. If they do accept, then they accept that they're complicit with you breaking your contractual agreement with your current employer.
Whether they're going to risk that or not is their concern.
Using a friend/relative as a mule doesn't really alter the fact that you're breaking the terms of your employment. Your friend won't ultimately be doing the work - you will. He/She won't stand up to questioning should the situation be questioned in the future.
Basically, it's a big fat risk for you and your previous employer.
answered Aug 31 at 8:25
Snow♦
51.5k46170213
1
Good answer, I'd also add that 1) your friend should also give you the money and it might be both suspicious or plain illegal if you don't pay taxes on that 2) your friend may be responsible for your work and she may not have the legal qualifications required by the law
– Adriano Repetti
Aug 31 at 9:00
@AdrianoRepetti Good points. I would of course pay taxes, not trying to skirt that. And the field it software development, so there's not legal certifications that need to be complied with.
– user2818782
Aug 31 at 9:25
@Snow I am assuming that my previous employer would understand my scheme in a "nudge nudge wink wink" kind of way. So the mule having to explain their (my) work would not be a concern.
– user2818782
Aug 31 at 9:28
add a comment |Â
up vote
6
down vote
You're a bit stuck here.
In order for your scheme to work, your previous employer must be aware of your situation and be fine about it. It's unlikely that they're going to employ someone who obviously does not have the skills or experience to complete this piece of work and they're not likely to be fooled by you saying you're involved on an "advisory" basis - they'll just assume that you're doing the work.
That's your first hurdle right there. If they do accept, then they accept that they're complicit with you breaking your contractual agreement with your current employer.
Whether they're going to risk that or not is their concern.
Using a friend/relative as a mule doesn't really alter the fact that you're breaking the terms of your employment. Your friend won't ultimately be doing the work - you will. He/She won't stand up to questioning should the situation be questioned in the future.
Basically, it's a big fat risk for you and your previous employer.
answered Aug 31 at 8:25
Snow♦
51.5k46170213
1
Good answer, I'd also add that 1) your friend should also give you the money and it might be both suspicious or plain illegal if you don't pay taxes on that 2) your friend may be responsible for your work and she may not have the legal qualifications required by the law
– Adriano Repetti
Aug 31 at 9:00
@AdrianoRepetti Good points. I would of course pay taxes, not trying to skirt that. And the field it software development, so there's not legal certifications that need to be complied with.
– user2818782
Aug 31 at 9:25
@Snow I am assuming that my previous employer would understand my scheme in a "nudge nudge wink wink" kind of way. So the mule having to explain their (my) work would not be a concern.
– user2818782
Aug 31 at 9:28
add a comment |Â
up vote
6
down vote
up vote
6
down vote
You're a bit stuck here.
In order for your scheme to work, your previous employer must be aware of your situation and be fine about it. It's unlikely that they're going to employ someone who obviously does not have the skills or experience to complete this piece of work and they're not likely to be fooled by you saying you're involved on an "advisory" basis - they'll just assume that you're doing the work.
That's your first hurdle right there. If they do accept, then they accept that they're complicit with you breaking your contractual agreement with your current employer.
Whether they're going to risk that or not is their concern.
Using a friend/relative as a mule doesn't really alter the fact that you're breaking the terms of your employment. Your friend won't ultimately be doing the work - you will. He/She won't stand up to questioning should the situation be questioned in the future.
Basically, it's a big fat risk for you and your previous employer.
answered Aug 31 at 8:25
Snow♦
51.5k46170213
You're a bit stuck here.
In order for your scheme to work, your previous employer must be aware of your situation and be fine about it. It's unlikely that they're going to employ someone who obviously does not have the skills or experience to complete this piece of work and they're not likely to be fooled by you saying you're involved on an "advisory" basis - they'll just assume that you're doing the work.
That's your first hurdle right there. If they do accept, then they accept that they're complicit with you breaking your contractual agreement with your current employer.
Whether they're going to risk that or not is their concern.
Using a friend/relative as a mule doesn't really alter the fact that you're breaking the terms of your employment. Your friend won't ultimately be doing the work - you will. He/She won't stand up to questioning should the situation be questioned in the future.
Basically, it's a big fat risk for you and your previous employer.
answered Aug 31 at 8:25
Snow♦
51.5k46170213
edited Aug 31 at 8:34
answered Aug 31 at 8:25
Snow♦
51.5k46170213
answered Aug 31 at 8:25
Snow♦
51.5k46170213
answered Aug 31 at 8:25
Snow♦
51.5k46170213
51.5k46170213
1
Good answer, I'd also add that 1) your friend should also give you the money and it might be both suspicious or plain illegal if you don't pay taxes on that 2) your friend may be responsible for your work and she may not have the legal qualifications required by the law
– Adriano Repetti
Aug 31 at 9:00
@AdrianoRepetti Good points. I would of course pay taxes, not trying to skirt that. And the field it software development, so there's not legal certifications that need to be complied with.
– user2818782
Aug 31 at 9:25
@Snow I am assuming that my previous employer would understand my scheme in a "nudge nudge wink wink" kind of way. So the mule having to explain their (my) work would not be a concern.
– user2818782
Aug 31 at 9:28
add a comment |Â
1
Good answer, I'd also add that 1) your friend should also give you the money and it might be both suspicious or plain illegal if you don't pay taxes on that 2) your friend may be responsible for your work and she may not have the legal qualifications required by the law
– Adriano Repetti
Aug 31 at 9:00
@AdrianoRepetti Good points. I would of course pay taxes, not trying to skirt that. And the field it software development, so there's not legal certifications that need to be complied with.
– user2818782
Aug 31 at 9:25
@Snow I am assuming that my previous employer would understand my scheme in a "nudge nudge wink wink" kind of way. So the mule having to explain their (my) work would not be a concern.
– user2818782
Aug 31 at 9:28
1
1
Good answer, I'd also add that 1) your friend should also give you the money and it might be both suspicious or plain illegal if you don't pay taxes on that 2) your friend may be responsible for your work and she may not have the legal qualifications required by the law
– Adriano Repetti
Aug 31 at 9:00
Good answer, I'd also add that 1) your friend should also give you the money and it might be both suspicious or plain illegal if you don't pay taxes on that 2) your friend may be responsible for your work and she may not have the legal qualifications required by the law
– Adriano Repetti
Aug 31 at 9:00
@AdrianoRepetti Good points. I would of course pay taxes, not trying to skirt that. And the field it software development, so there's not legal certifications that need to be complied with.
– user2818782
Aug 31 at 9:25
@AdrianoRepetti Good points. I would of course pay taxes, not trying to skirt that. And the field it software development, so there's not legal certifications that need to be complied with.
– user2818782
Aug 31 at 9:25
@Snow I am assuming that my previous employer would understand my scheme in a "nudge nudge wink wink" kind of way. So the mule having to explain their (my) work would not be a concern.
– user2818782
Aug 31 at 9:28
@Snow I am assuming that my previous employer would understand my scheme in a "nudge nudge wink wink" kind of way. So the mule having to explain their (my) work would not be a concern.
– user2818782
Aug 31 at 9:28
add a comment |Â
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So you're basically going to be doing the work here and using your "friend" as a mule?
– Snow♦
Aug 31 at 8:08
1
After you'll be aware of your legal options can I humbly suggest to also consider ethical implications?
– Adriano Repetti
Aug 31 at 8:14
1
I think the answers here should focus on the legality of non-moonlighting clauses in a given jurisdiction and in that case a lawyer may be a better bet than an online forum.
– Alper
Aug 31 at 8:39
@AdrianoRepetti as for ethical concerns; as long as my work at my employer is not negatively affected, my conscience is OK with it. That is the whole reason behind the non-moonlighting clause, to prevent one's work from being impacted.
– user2818782
Aug 31 at 9:21
@Alper I agree 100%. a big IF it were to happen, I would definitely consult a professional first.
– user2818782
Aug 31 at 9:22