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Can Twinned Spell be used on Plane Shift when it's used to banish an unwilling creature to another plane?
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Plane shift has two uses:
- to bring yourself and up to 8 more willing creatures to another
plane, or - to make a melee spell attack against a single unwilling creature, and
then force it to make a Charisma saving throw or be brought to
another plane
The sorcerer's Twinned Spell metamagic option lets you spend sorcery points to affect two creatures with a spell that normally affects only one.
But here, I'm not sure if the second effect of plane shift is considered eligible for the Twinned Metamagic, because its first effect can indeed affect more than one creature.
Can Twinned Spell be used on plane shift when it's used to banish an unwilling creature to another plane?
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Plane shift has two uses:
- to bring yourself and up to 8 more willing creatures to another
plane, or - to make a melee spell attack against a single unwilling creature, and
then force it to make a Charisma saving throw or be brought to
another plane
The sorcerer's Twinned Spell metamagic option lets you spend sorcery points to affect two creatures with a spell that normally affects only one.
But here, I'm not sure if the second effect of plane shift is considered eligible for the Twinned Metamagic, because its first effect can indeed affect more than one creature.
Can Twinned Spell be used on plane shift when it's used to banish an unwilling creature to another plane?
dnd-5e spells class-feature sorcerer metamagic
edited Sep 3 at 10:20
doppelgreener♦
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For your question, are you asking if a sorcerer can banish two creatures with Plane Shift, by using the Twinned Spell metamagic?
– Mike Q
Sep 3 at 1:39
Yes, that is what I a asking.
– Gael L
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Plane shift has two uses:
- to bring yourself and up to 8 more willing creatures to another
plane, or - to make a melee spell attack against a single unwilling creature, and
then force it to make a Charisma saving throw or be brought to
another plane
The sorcerer's Twinned Spell metamagic option lets you spend sorcery points to affect two creatures with a spell that normally affects only one.
But here, I'm not sure if the second effect of plane shift is considered eligible for the Twinned Metamagic, because its first effect can indeed affect more than one creature.
Can Twinned Spell be used on plane shift when it's used to banish an unwilling creature to another plane?
dnd-5e spells class-feature sorcerer metamagic
edited Sep 3 at 10:20
doppelgreener♦
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asked Sep 3 at 1:24
Gael L
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Plane shift has two uses:
- to bring yourself and up to 8 more willing creatures to another
plane, or - to make a melee spell attack against a single unwilling creature, and
then force it to make a Charisma saving throw or be brought to
another plane
The sorcerer's Twinned Spell metamagic option lets you spend sorcery points to affect two creatures with a spell that normally affects only one.
But here, I'm not sure if the second effect of plane shift is considered eligible for the Twinned Metamagic, because its first effect can indeed affect more than one creature.
Can Twinned Spell be used on plane shift when it's used to banish an unwilling creature to another plane?
dnd-5e spells class-feature sorcerer metamagic
edited Sep 3 at 10:20
doppelgreener♦
31.3k11134220
asked Sep 3 at 1:24
Gael L
6,719124119
edited Sep 3 at 10:20
doppelgreener♦
31.3k11134220
edited Sep 3 at 10:20
doppelgreener♦
31.3k11134220
edited Sep 3 at 10:20
doppelgreener♦
31.3k11134220
31.3k11134220
asked Sep 3 at 1:24
Gael L
6,719124119
asked Sep 3 at 1:24
Gael L
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asked Sep 3 at 1:24
Gael L
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6,719124119
For your question, are you asking if a sorcerer can banish two creatures with Plane Shift, by using the Twinned Spell metamagic?
– Mike Q
Sep 3 at 1:39
Yes, that is what I a asking.
– Gael L
Sep 3 at 1:39
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For your question, are you asking if a sorcerer can banish two creatures with Plane Shift, by using the Twinned Spell metamagic?
– Mike Q
Sep 3 at 1:39
Yes, that is what I a asking.
– Gael L
Sep 3 at 1:39
For your question, are you asking if a sorcerer can banish two creatures with Plane Shift, by using the Twinned Spell metamagic?
– Mike Q
Sep 3 at 1:39
For your question, are you asking if a sorcerer can banish two creatures with Plane Shift, by using the Twinned Spell metamagic?
– Mike Q
Sep 3 at 1:39
Yes, that is what I a asking.
– Gael L
Sep 3 at 1:39
Yes, that is what I a asking.
– Gael L
Sep 3 at 1:39
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No, the errata specifies that spells capable of targetting more than one target do not qualify for twinned spell.
From the errata:
Twinned Spell (p. 102). To be eligible
for Twinned Spell, a spell must be incapable
of targeting more than one creature at
the spell’s current level.
Since part one of the spell can target up to 8 creatures, it's disqualified from being twinned. The option of targetting more is what disqualifies it, which is the same reason you can't twin magic missile if you only target one creature, or eldritch blast when it hits level 5.
Frankly I'd houserule yes if you were just using the 2nd part. But then again I'd also houserule using Magic Missile against one target to be able to be twinned, as well as any other spell that's only hitting one thing. But that's not what the rules say, that's DM privilege.
answered Sep 3 at 2:29
Lino Frank Ciaralli
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Holy cow, that means I mistakenly cheated in AL play... oopsies.
– Gael L
Sep 3 at 2:44
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@GaelL: Everyone makes mistakes - as long as you avoid the error in the future, you're fine :)
– V2Blast
Sep 3 at 3:05
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1 Answer
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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up vote
10
down vote
accepted
No, the errata specifies that spells capable of targetting more than one target do not qualify for twinned spell.
From the errata:
Twinned Spell (p. 102). To be eligible
for Twinned Spell, a spell must be incapable
of targeting more than one creature at
the spell’s current level.
Since part one of the spell can target up to 8 creatures, it's disqualified from being twinned. The option of targetting more is what disqualifies it, which is the same reason you can't twin magic missile if you only target one creature, or eldritch blast when it hits level 5.
Frankly I'd houserule yes if you were just using the 2nd part. But then again I'd also houserule using Magic Missile against one target to be able to be twinned, as well as any other spell that's only hitting one thing. But that's not what the rules say, that's DM privilege.
answered Sep 3 at 2:29
Lino Frank Ciaralli
21.8k359126
Holy cow, that means I mistakenly cheated in AL play... oopsies.
– Gael L
Sep 3 at 2:44
2
@GaelL: Everyone makes mistakes - as long as you avoid the error in the future, you're fine :)
– V2Blast
Sep 3 at 3:05
add a comment |Â
up vote
10
down vote
accepted
No, the errata specifies that spells capable of targetting more than one target do not qualify for twinned spell.
From the errata:
Twinned Spell (p. 102). To be eligible
for Twinned Spell, a spell must be incapable
of targeting more than one creature at
the spell’s current level.
Since part one of the spell can target up to 8 creatures, it's disqualified from being twinned. The option of targetting more is what disqualifies it, which is the same reason you can't twin magic missile if you only target one creature, or eldritch blast when it hits level 5.
Frankly I'd houserule yes if you were just using the 2nd part. But then again I'd also houserule using Magic Missile against one target to be able to be twinned, as well as any other spell that's only hitting one thing. But that's not what the rules say, that's DM privilege.
answered Sep 3 at 2:29
Lino Frank Ciaralli
21.8k359126
Holy cow, that means I mistakenly cheated in AL play... oopsies.
– Gael L
Sep 3 at 2:44
2
@GaelL: Everyone makes mistakes - as long as you avoid the error in the future, you're fine :)
– V2Blast
Sep 3 at 3:05
add a comment |Â
up vote
10
down vote
accepted
up vote
10
down vote
accepted
No, the errata specifies that spells capable of targetting more than one target do not qualify for twinned spell.
From the errata:
Twinned Spell (p. 102). To be eligible
for Twinned Spell, a spell must be incapable
of targeting more than one creature at
the spell’s current level.
Since part one of the spell can target up to 8 creatures, it's disqualified from being twinned. The option of targetting more is what disqualifies it, which is the same reason you can't twin magic missile if you only target one creature, or eldritch blast when it hits level 5.
Frankly I'd houserule yes if you were just using the 2nd part. But then again I'd also houserule using Magic Missile against one target to be able to be twinned, as well as any other spell that's only hitting one thing. But that's not what the rules say, that's DM privilege.
answered Sep 3 at 2:29
Lino Frank Ciaralli
21.8k359126
No, the errata specifies that spells capable of targetting more than one target do not qualify for twinned spell.
From the errata:
Twinned Spell (p. 102). To be eligible
for Twinned Spell, a spell must be incapable
of targeting more than one creature at
the spell’s current level.
Since part one of the spell can target up to 8 creatures, it's disqualified from being twinned. The option of targetting more is what disqualifies it, which is the same reason you can't twin magic missile if you only target one creature, or eldritch blast when it hits level 5.
Frankly I'd houserule yes if you were just using the 2nd part. But then again I'd also houserule using Magic Missile against one target to be able to be twinned, as well as any other spell that's only hitting one thing. But that's not what the rules say, that's DM privilege.
answered Sep 3 at 2:29
Lino Frank Ciaralli
21.8k359126
answered Sep 3 at 2:29
Lino Frank Ciaralli
21.8k359126
answered Sep 3 at 2:29
Lino Frank Ciaralli
21.8k359126
answered Sep 3 at 2:29
Lino Frank Ciaralli
21.8k359126
21.8k359126
Holy cow, that means I mistakenly cheated in AL play... oopsies.
– Gael L
Sep 3 at 2:44
2
@GaelL: Everyone makes mistakes - as long as you avoid the error in the future, you're fine :)
– V2Blast
Sep 3 at 3:05
add a comment |Â
Holy cow, that means I mistakenly cheated in AL play... oopsies.
– Gael L
Sep 3 at 2:44
2
@GaelL: Everyone makes mistakes - as long as you avoid the error in the future, you're fine :)
– V2Blast
Sep 3 at 3:05
Holy cow, that means I mistakenly cheated in AL play... oopsies.
– Gael L
Sep 3 at 2:44
Holy cow, that means I mistakenly cheated in AL play... oopsies.
– Gael L
Sep 3 at 2:44
2
2
@GaelL: Everyone makes mistakes - as long as you avoid the error in the future, you're fine :)
– V2Blast
Sep 3 at 3:05
@GaelL: Everyone makes mistakes - as long as you avoid the error in the future, you're fine :)
– V2Blast
Sep 3 at 3:05
add a comment |Â
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For your question, are you asking if a sorcerer can banish two creatures with Plane Shift, by using the Twinned Spell metamagic?
– Mike Q
Sep 3 at 1:39
Yes, that is what I a asking.
– Gael L
Sep 3 at 1:39