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I frequently find myself writing emails or technical documents that include a lot of technical information. However, even when written to "technical people" about technical things, it seems that the length of the email is too long and therefore it goes unread, ignored, skimmed, etc. and I've become known as a long-winded person. I'm starting to get flak for that, and I'd like to understand why or what I can do about it.
How long is too long?
It seems that the length of "too long" is absurdly short; longer than a couple paragraphs is considered too long.
What are the details?
Most of the reason for the long-windedness is an effort to be thorough, reduce known/possible miscommunications (some of which are highlighted below), and deal with the fact that the "technical" people aren't very technical, nor competent. Sometimes the lack of competency is known (I'm instructing someone for the first time in something they've never done), and sometimes it's because they are deficient in prerequisite topics (common in my industry; explained below). Often, I include screenshots with notations, and I leave them large to be easier to read. That increases a page count quickly.
Feedback I get (from bosses and coworkers) is that such lengthy emails/documents are unwelcome and unwarranted, with an emphasis on time spent.
Possible solution: Executive Summaries
I've started to include an executive summary at the front, but I think I've passed the point of no return, and the email gets ignored or stays unread. Part of that is because most people in the industry are overworked, part of that is email culture is to ignore things, and part of that is any reputation I have for being long winded.
Boiling down something to an executive summary may still be too complicated (another problem I deal with), or they feel like I'm being overly vague, arrogant, or condescending. I haven't gotten much feedback about this in written form, but when I do that face-to-face, it's obvious they think I'm being overly vague.
Possible solution: 6th grade reading level
I was once told to keep emails and docs at a 6th grade reading level. Attempting to do this was met with some success, until things became complicated enough that I had to start expanding them. It's not easy to break things down into less complicated chunks, and often that means they wind up being bigger chunks.
Some examples:
Table of Contents
I was handed a project to start working on, and as I went through the existing documentation, I wrote down questions and commentary ahead of a planned meeting to go over these sorts of things. It was ~8 pages, so I used the auto-format capabilities of MS Word to generate a Table of Contents (ToC). This takes all of a minute or two and makes it easier for the reader. However, my boss, who was CC'd when I sent the document, clearly didn't like the ToC and was stuck on that, bringing it up anecdotally in a different meeting with no relation to this project. I think it was because he didn't know how easy it was to make, nor how to use it. I think ToCs are incredibly useful since they are CTRL+clickable.
Clarity vs brevity
I tend to remove pronouns and references in my written works because I find most people can't find the thing I was referring to, and stick on the wrong one. For example, above, I changed
I think they are incredibly useful since they are CTRL+clickable.
to
I think ToCs are incredibly useful since they are CTRL+clickable.
so that it was unambiguous that I was referring to ToCs. This may come across as off-putting, but I'm not sure.
Lack of "basic" skills
While my industry works with technology, the people in it are usually not very tech savvy. For example, only very few of them (~1/10) know about keyboard shortcuts like CTRL+C, CTRL+V, or that most programs have a search function built into them.
Poor reading/writing skills lead to brain overheating
I also find that people don't know how to use certain punctuation marks and therefore use them wrongly. I've discovered that people use quotes ("") to emphasize something, instead of to satirize it (like I did above for "technical people"). The former should be bolded, while the latter is often referred to as "air quotes". I've also seen people confuses slashes with commas: this is the same/similar, yet people would write a list of items as a/b/c/d, when it should be written as "a, b, c, d.".
I suspect that when presented with technical data in a technical format, or just unfamiliar formatting, the reaction is a brain overload, or anger and resentment that they are unfamiliar with something.
Region
I'm in the US, and all of these problems come from people who were born and raised in the US, almost exclusively within the same geographic region.
How can I more effectively communicate in emails to my coworkers?
united-states email
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I frequently find myself writing emails or technical documents that include a lot of technical information. However, even when written to "technical people" about technical things, it seems that the length of the email is too long and therefore it goes unread, ignored, skimmed, etc. and I've become known as a long-winded person. I'm starting to get flak for that, and I'd like to understand why or what I can do about it.
How long is too long?
It seems that the length of "too long" is absurdly short; longer than a couple paragraphs is considered too long.
What are the details?
Most of the reason for the long-windedness is an effort to be thorough, reduce known/possible miscommunications (some of which are highlighted below), and deal with the fact that the "technical" people aren't very technical, nor competent. Sometimes the lack of competency is known (I'm instructing someone for the first time in something they've never done), and sometimes it's because they are deficient in prerequisite topics (common in my industry; explained below). Often, I include screenshots with notations, and I leave them large to be easier to read. That increases a page count quickly.
Feedback I get (from bosses and coworkers) is that such lengthy emails/documents are unwelcome and unwarranted, with an emphasis on time spent.
Possible solution: Executive Summaries
I've started to include an executive summary at the front, but I think I've passed the point of no return, and the email gets ignored or stays unread. Part of that is because most people in the industry are overworked, part of that is email culture is to ignore things, and part of that is any reputation I have for being long winded.
Boiling down something to an executive summary may still be too complicated (another problem I deal with), or they feel like I'm being overly vague, arrogant, or condescending. I haven't gotten much feedback about this in written form, but when I do that face-to-face, it's obvious they think I'm being overly vague.
Possible solution: 6th grade reading level
I was once told to keep emails and docs at a 6th grade reading level. Attempting to do this was met with some success, until things became complicated enough that I had to start expanding them. It's not easy to break things down into less complicated chunks, and often that means they wind up being bigger chunks.
Some examples:
Table of Contents
I was handed a project to start working on, and as I went through the existing documentation, I wrote down questions and commentary ahead of a planned meeting to go over these sorts of things. It was ~8 pages, so I used the auto-format capabilities of MS Word to generate a Table of Contents (ToC). This takes all of a minute or two and makes it easier for the reader. However, my boss, who was CC'd when I sent the document, clearly didn't like the ToC and was stuck on that, bringing it up anecdotally in a different meeting with no relation to this project. I think it was because he didn't know how easy it was to make, nor how to use it. I think ToCs are incredibly useful since they are CTRL+clickable.
Clarity vs brevity
I tend to remove pronouns and references in my written works because I find most people can't find the thing I was referring to, and stick on the wrong one. For example, above, I changed
I think they are incredibly useful since they are CTRL+clickable.
to
I think ToCs are incredibly useful since they are CTRL+clickable.
so that it was unambiguous that I was referring to ToCs. This may come across as off-putting, but I'm not sure.
Lack of "basic" skills
While my industry works with technology, the people in it are usually not very tech savvy. For example, only very few of them (~1/10) know about keyboard shortcuts like CTRL+C, CTRL+V, or that most programs have a search function built into them.
Poor reading/writing skills lead to brain overheating
I also find that people don't know how to use certain punctuation marks and therefore use them wrongly. I've discovered that people use quotes ("") to emphasize something, instead of to satirize it (like I did above for "technical people"). The former should be bolded, while the latter is often referred to as "air quotes". I've also seen people confuses slashes with commas: this is the same/similar, yet people would write a list of items as a/b/c/d, when it should be written as "a, b, c, d.".
I suspect that when presented with technical data in a technical format, or just unfamiliar formatting, the reaction is a brain overload, or anger and resentment that they are unfamiliar with something.
Region
I'm in the US, and all of these problems come from people who were born and raised in the US, almost exclusively within the same geographic region.
How can I more effectively communicate in emails to my coworkers?
united-states email
closed as off-topic by Noon, zanahorias, NVZ, TheRealLester, ElizB Sep 3 at 19:40
This question appears to be off-topic. The users who voted to close gave this specific reason:
- "Asking "What should I do?" is off topic. - Questions should ask for help achieving a specific goal. Your question is asking for personal advice on "what to do" without defining a goal; this is too subjective. Edit your question to explain what you hope to achieve and how you would like to interact with the others involved." â Noon, zanahorias, NVZ, TheRealLester, ElizB
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You managed to write a 667 word essay about an issue you had already summarized concisely in the first paragraph with 74 words. That is almost a 10 fold increase. After the first paragraph, the rest of the information in your question does not substantially change anything or add new information. That is the core of your problem.
â Polygnome
Sep 3 at 14:37
10
Oh yes they do. Your first paragraph pretty much describes your whole situation. and for technical people, its even better. I'm a software dev. I write technical all the time. If you want to, you can cram a lot of information into a few words if you use the proper lingo. And leave it at that. If there is a problem, clarify when needed.
â Polygnome
Sep 3 at 14:49
3
I've read a lot of "technical documentation" written by software devs on Stack Overflow, javadocs, C# docs, and all of Microsoft's websites. Totally worthless; it only explains that which is immediately obvious. It's so prevalent, I think it's a school of thought. If it's worthless to me, it would obviously come across as arrogant and condescending (and worthless) to any audience I might have.
â YetAnotherRandomUser
Sep 3 at 14:53
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A good example of where you are far too wordy is your second to last paragraph about misuse of punctuation. Think of it this way: if you left that out of your question, would it impact the understanding of what you are asking? By including irrelevant information you've made your post less readable.
â DaveG
Sep 3 at 18:37
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@YetAnotherRandomUser You've been told your emails are too long, but you also seem to be convinced that shortening them would do more harm than good. You seem to be looking for a solution that doesn't exist; I'm not sure we can help.
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Sep 3 at 20:11
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I frequently find myself writing emails or technical documents that include a lot of technical information. However, even when written to "technical people" about technical things, it seems that the length of the email is too long and therefore it goes unread, ignored, skimmed, etc. and I've become known as a long-winded person. I'm starting to get flak for that, and I'd like to understand why or what I can do about it.
How long is too long?
It seems that the length of "too long" is absurdly short; longer than a couple paragraphs is considered too long.
What are the details?
Most of the reason for the long-windedness is an effort to be thorough, reduce known/possible miscommunications (some of which are highlighted below), and deal with the fact that the "technical" people aren't very technical, nor competent. Sometimes the lack of competency is known (I'm instructing someone for the first time in something they've never done), and sometimes it's because they are deficient in prerequisite topics (common in my industry; explained below). Often, I include screenshots with notations, and I leave them large to be easier to read. That increases a page count quickly.
Feedback I get (from bosses and coworkers) is that such lengthy emails/documents are unwelcome and unwarranted, with an emphasis on time spent.
Possible solution: Executive Summaries
I've started to include an executive summary at the front, but I think I've passed the point of no return, and the email gets ignored or stays unread. Part of that is because most people in the industry are overworked, part of that is email culture is to ignore things, and part of that is any reputation I have for being long winded.
Boiling down something to an executive summary may still be too complicated (another problem I deal with), or they feel like I'm being overly vague, arrogant, or condescending. I haven't gotten much feedback about this in written form, but when I do that face-to-face, it's obvious they think I'm being overly vague.
Possible solution: 6th grade reading level
I was once told to keep emails and docs at a 6th grade reading level. Attempting to do this was met with some success, until things became complicated enough that I had to start expanding them. It's not easy to break things down into less complicated chunks, and often that means they wind up being bigger chunks.
Some examples:
Table of Contents
I was handed a project to start working on, and as I went through the existing documentation, I wrote down questions and commentary ahead of a planned meeting to go over these sorts of things. It was ~8 pages, so I used the auto-format capabilities of MS Word to generate a Table of Contents (ToC). This takes all of a minute or two and makes it easier for the reader. However, my boss, who was CC'd when I sent the document, clearly didn't like the ToC and was stuck on that, bringing it up anecdotally in a different meeting with no relation to this project. I think it was because he didn't know how easy it was to make, nor how to use it. I think ToCs are incredibly useful since they are CTRL+clickable.
Clarity vs brevity
I tend to remove pronouns and references in my written works because I find most people can't find the thing I was referring to, and stick on the wrong one. For example, above, I changed
I think they are incredibly useful since they are CTRL+clickable.
to
I think ToCs are incredibly useful since they are CTRL+clickable.
so that it was unambiguous that I was referring to ToCs. This may come across as off-putting, but I'm not sure.
Lack of "basic" skills
While my industry works with technology, the people in it are usually not very tech savvy. For example, only very few of them (~1/10) know about keyboard shortcuts like CTRL+C, CTRL+V, or that most programs have a search function built into them.
Poor reading/writing skills lead to brain overheating
I also find that people don't know how to use certain punctuation marks and therefore use them wrongly. I've discovered that people use quotes ("") to emphasize something, instead of to satirize it (like I did above for "technical people"). The former should be bolded, while the latter is often referred to as "air quotes". I've also seen people confuses slashes with commas: this is the same/similar, yet people would write a list of items as a/b/c/d, when it should be written as "a, b, c, d.".
I suspect that when presented with technical data in a technical format, or just unfamiliar formatting, the reaction is a brain overload, or anger and resentment that they are unfamiliar with something.
Region
I'm in the US, and all of these problems come from people who were born and raised in the US, almost exclusively within the same geographic region.
How can I more effectively communicate in emails to my coworkers?
united-states email
I frequently find myself writing emails or technical documents that include a lot of technical information. However, even when written to "technical people" about technical things, it seems that the length of the email is too long and therefore it goes unread, ignored, skimmed, etc. and I've become known as a long-winded person. I'm starting to get flak for that, and I'd like to understand why or what I can do about it.
How long is too long?
It seems that the length of "too long" is absurdly short; longer than a couple paragraphs is considered too long.
What are the details?
Most of the reason for the long-windedness is an effort to be thorough, reduce known/possible miscommunications (some of which are highlighted below), and deal with the fact that the "technical" people aren't very technical, nor competent. Sometimes the lack of competency is known (I'm instructing someone for the first time in something they've never done), and sometimes it's because they are deficient in prerequisite topics (common in my industry; explained below). Often, I include screenshots with notations, and I leave them large to be easier to read. That increases a page count quickly.
Feedback I get (from bosses and coworkers) is that such lengthy emails/documents are unwelcome and unwarranted, with an emphasis on time spent.
Possible solution: Executive Summaries
I've started to include an executive summary at the front, but I think I've passed the point of no return, and the email gets ignored or stays unread. Part of that is because most people in the industry are overworked, part of that is email culture is to ignore things, and part of that is any reputation I have for being long winded.
Boiling down something to an executive summary may still be too complicated (another problem I deal with), or they feel like I'm being overly vague, arrogant, or condescending. I haven't gotten much feedback about this in written form, but when I do that face-to-face, it's obvious they think I'm being overly vague.
Possible solution: 6th grade reading level
I was once told to keep emails and docs at a 6th grade reading level. Attempting to do this was met with some success, until things became complicated enough that I had to start expanding them. It's not easy to break things down into less complicated chunks, and often that means they wind up being bigger chunks.
Some examples:
Table of Contents
I was handed a project to start working on, and as I went through the existing documentation, I wrote down questions and commentary ahead of a planned meeting to go over these sorts of things. It was ~8 pages, so I used the auto-format capabilities of MS Word to generate a Table of Contents (ToC). This takes all of a minute or two and makes it easier for the reader. However, my boss, who was CC'd when I sent the document, clearly didn't like the ToC and was stuck on that, bringing it up anecdotally in a different meeting with no relation to this project. I think it was because he didn't know how easy it was to make, nor how to use it. I think ToCs are incredibly useful since they are CTRL+clickable.
Clarity vs brevity
I tend to remove pronouns and references in my written works because I find most people can't find the thing I was referring to, and stick on the wrong one. For example, above, I changed
I think they are incredibly useful since they are CTRL+clickable.
to
I think ToCs are incredibly useful since they are CTRL+clickable.
so that it was unambiguous that I was referring to ToCs. This may come across as off-putting, but I'm not sure.
Lack of "basic" skills
While my industry works with technology, the people in it are usually not very tech savvy. For example, only very few of them (~1/10) know about keyboard shortcuts like CTRL+C, CTRL+V, or that most programs have a search function built into them.
Poor reading/writing skills lead to brain overheating
I also find that people don't know how to use certain punctuation marks and therefore use them wrongly. I've discovered that people use quotes ("") to emphasize something, instead of to satirize it (like I did above for "technical people"). The former should be bolded, while the latter is often referred to as "air quotes". I've also seen people confuses slashes with commas: this is the same/similar, yet people would write a list of items as a/b/c/d, when it should be written as "a, b, c, d.".
I suspect that when presented with technical data in a technical format, or just unfamiliar formatting, the reaction is a brain overload, or anger and resentment that they are unfamiliar with something.
Region
I'm in the US, and all of these problems come from people who were born and raised in the US, almost exclusively within the same geographic region.
How can I more effectively communicate in emails to my coworkers?
united-states email
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closed as off-topic by Noon, zanahorias, NVZ, TheRealLester, ElizB Sep 3 at 19:40
This question appears to be off-topic. The users who voted to close gave this specific reason:
- "Asking "What should I do?" is off topic. - Questions should ask for help achieving a specific goal. Your question is asking for personal advice on "what to do" without defining a goal; this is too subjective. Edit your question to explain what you hope to achieve and how you would like to interact with the others involved." â Noon, zanahorias, NVZ, TheRealLester, ElizB
closed as off-topic by Noon, zanahorias, NVZ, TheRealLester, ElizB Sep 3 at 19:40
This question appears to be off-topic. The users who voted to close gave this specific reason:
- "Asking "What should I do?" is off topic. - Questions should ask for help achieving a specific goal. Your question is asking for personal advice on "what to do" without defining a goal; this is too subjective. Edit your question to explain what you hope to achieve and how you would like to interact with the others involved." â Noon, zanahorias, NVZ, TheRealLester, ElizB
21
You managed to write a 667 word essay about an issue you had already summarized concisely in the first paragraph with 74 words. That is almost a 10 fold increase. After the first paragraph, the rest of the information in your question does not substantially change anything or add new information. That is the core of your problem.
â Polygnome
Sep 3 at 14:37
10
Oh yes they do. Your first paragraph pretty much describes your whole situation. and for technical people, its even better. I'm a software dev. I write technical all the time. If you want to, you can cram a lot of information into a few words if you use the proper lingo. And leave it at that. If there is a problem, clarify when needed.
â Polygnome
Sep 3 at 14:49
3
I've read a lot of "technical documentation" written by software devs on Stack Overflow, javadocs, C# docs, and all of Microsoft's websites. Totally worthless; it only explains that which is immediately obvious. It's so prevalent, I think it's a school of thought. If it's worthless to me, it would obviously come across as arrogant and condescending (and worthless) to any audience I might have.
â YetAnotherRandomUser
Sep 3 at 14:53
8
A good example of where you are far too wordy is your second to last paragraph about misuse of punctuation. Think of it this way: if you left that out of your question, would it impact the understanding of what you are asking? By including irrelevant information you've made your post less readable.
â DaveG
Sep 3 at 18:37
2
@YetAnotherRandomUser You've been told your emails are too long, but you also seem to be convinced that shortening them would do more harm than good. You seem to be looking for a solution that doesn't exist; I'm not sure we can help.
â NotThatGuy
Sep 3 at 20:11
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You managed to write a 667 word essay about an issue you had already summarized concisely in the first paragraph with 74 words. That is almost a 10 fold increase. After the first paragraph, the rest of the information in your question does not substantially change anything or add new information. That is the core of your problem.
â Polygnome
Sep 3 at 14:37
10
Oh yes they do. Your first paragraph pretty much describes your whole situation. and for technical people, its even better. I'm a software dev. I write technical all the time. If you want to, you can cram a lot of information into a few words if you use the proper lingo. And leave it at that. If there is a problem, clarify when needed.
â Polygnome
Sep 3 at 14:49
3
I've read a lot of "technical documentation" written by software devs on Stack Overflow, javadocs, C# docs, and all of Microsoft's websites. Totally worthless; it only explains that which is immediately obvious. It's so prevalent, I think it's a school of thought. If it's worthless to me, it would obviously come across as arrogant and condescending (and worthless) to any audience I might have.
â YetAnotherRandomUser
Sep 3 at 14:53
8
A good example of where you are far too wordy is your second to last paragraph about misuse of punctuation. Think of it this way: if you left that out of your question, would it impact the understanding of what you are asking? By including irrelevant information you've made your post less readable.
â DaveG
Sep 3 at 18:37
2
@YetAnotherRandomUser You've been told your emails are too long, but you also seem to be convinced that shortening them would do more harm than good. You seem to be looking for a solution that doesn't exist; I'm not sure we can help.
â NotThatGuy
Sep 3 at 20:11
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21
You managed to write a 667 word essay about an issue you had already summarized concisely in the first paragraph with 74 words. That is almost a 10 fold increase. After the first paragraph, the rest of the information in your question does not substantially change anything or add new information. That is the core of your problem.
â Polygnome
Sep 3 at 14:37
You managed to write a 667 word essay about an issue you had already summarized concisely in the first paragraph with 74 words. That is almost a 10 fold increase. After the first paragraph, the rest of the information in your question does not substantially change anything or add new information. That is the core of your problem.
â Polygnome
Sep 3 at 14:37
10
10
Oh yes they do. Your first paragraph pretty much describes your whole situation. and for technical people, its even better. I'm a software dev. I write technical all the time. If you want to, you can cram a lot of information into a few words if you use the proper lingo. And leave it at that. If there is a problem, clarify when needed.
â Polygnome
Sep 3 at 14:49
Oh yes they do. Your first paragraph pretty much describes your whole situation. and for technical people, its even better. I'm a software dev. I write technical all the time. If you want to, you can cram a lot of information into a few words if you use the proper lingo. And leave it at that. If there is a problem, clarify when needed.
â Polygnome
Sep 3 at 14:49
3
3
I've read a lot of "technical documentation" written by software devs on Stack Overflow, javadocs, C# docs, and all of Microsoft's websites. Totally worthless; it only explains that which is immediately obvious. It's so prevalent, I think it's a school of thought. If it's worthless to me, it would obviously come across as arrogant and condescending (and worthless) to any audience I might have.
â YetAnotherRandomUser
Sep 3 at 14:53
I've read a lot of "technical documentation" written by software devs on Stack Overflow, javadocs, C# docs, and all of Microsoft's websites. Totally worthless; it only explains that which is immediately obvious. It's so prevalent, I think it's a school of thought. If it's worthless to me, it would obviously come across as arrogant and condescending (and worthless) to any audience I might have.
â YetAnotherRandomUser
Sep 3 at 14:53
8
8
A good example of where you are far too wordy is your second to last paragraph about misuse of punctuation. Think of it this way: if you left that out of your question, would it impact the understanding of what you are asking? By including irrelevant information you've made your post less readable.
â DaveG
Sep 3 at 18:37
A good example of where you are far too wordy is your second to last paragraph about misuse of punctuation. Think of it this way: if you left that out of your question, would it impact the understanding of what you are asking? By including irrelevant information you've made your post less readable.
â DaveG
Sep 3 at 18:37
2
2
@YetAnotherRandomUser You've been told your emails are too long, but you also seem to be convinced that shortening them would do more harm than good. You seem to be looking for a solution that doesn't exist; I'm not sure we can help.
â NotThatGuy
Sep 3 at 20:11
@YetAnotherRandomUser You've been told your emails are too long, but you also seem to be convinced that shortening them would do more harm than good. You seem to be looking for a solution that doesn't exist; I'm not sure we can help.
â NotThatGuy
Sep 3 at 20:11
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A short email is harder to write than a long one. People are telling you to take the time and put in the effort to write a short one.
Let's say you're writing an email about how to boil an egg. In some sort of self-defense to ward off problems that have happened before you include sections on how to choose the right pot, a detailed discussion of the various sources of water for filling the pot, and a section for both gas and electric stoves, as well as how to tell which kind you have. 7 pages in, you mention to put the egg in the water, and three pages after that you say to start the timer -- perhaps when the egg is put in, perhaps when the water comes back to the boil. You include several videos to be clear about whether water is boiling or not, because these people aren't technical and you can't be too careful. After the videos, pages away from saying to start the timer, you indicate how long to boil the egg for, and then there are several more pages of vital details about egg-cups, spoons, knives etc and an appendix on running hardboiled eggs under the cold tap and what causes that green ring. Nobody can find the "ten minutes" in all that. They are frustrated by the huge long irrelevant thing you wrote.
What they want from you is to mention the water, the pot and stove, when to put the egg in, when to time from, and how long to cook it. That's easy to know about egg-boiling. It's hard to know about your subject.
An email is not a course. It's not a manual. It won't defend you from trouble. It is hard work to extract the absolutely vital pieces of information from the trove you know, and share just those with the people who need them. You are being told you should do that work.
In your emails, tell people the things that they need to know and would not think to ask if you didn't tell them. Include links to more detailed background they might need, or include documents as attachments and explain the circumstances under which the attachments will be needed. If something is tricky or depends highly on something else, it's ok to say "we may need to de-frabulate the syscomator at this point, but if so I will notice and let everyone know," or "at this point it's important to do nothing for 24 hours so we can tell whether or not I need to de-frabulate the syscomator" without including a simple ten page summary of that process. They don't need to know those details. They do need to know about the letting it sit. You need to put in the work to establish what they need to know in this email, which is less than everything they need to know ever.
A boiling egg is a useful example, since many people can relate to that. And your example takes it to level 9001. However, what if the explanation was 2-3 pages, and didn't cover pot selection, sources for water, stoves, egg cups, etc, and had a couple pictures taking up space. Wiki-how, manages to make the instructions many pages (10+ it looks like) wikihow.com/Hard-Boil-an-Egg, so by that comparison, 2-3 pages is quite succinct. I'm not being pedantic, I'm trying to dial it back to see how things scale down.
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You have a lovely experimental set in the form of your coworkers. Go down one level and see if it makes a difference. Then another, then another. Ask someone to let you know when they see an improvement and when you're getting it close to right. You're correct, you don't need to jump from 17 pages with illustrations to 2 sentences, you can come down a bit at a time.
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If I search for the how to search for hard-boil an egg, Google includes the top-result in the results page and it is "Hard: Place your eggs in a pot and cover with cold water by 1 inch. Bring to a boil over medium-high heat, then cover, remove from the heat and set aside 8 to 10 minutes. Drain, cool in ice water and peel." . Most people would call that succinct and think 2-3 pages is not.
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Your personality leads you to always write a certain style of email.
Your style is aimed at communicating detailed and unambiguous information which covers all reasonable eventualities.
You get flak for these answers, they go unread, get skimmed and ignored.
The emails get skimmed and ignored because, despite your laudable aims, your communication style is not appropriate to the recipients. It may be the information you believe they need, but it isn't the information they want, presented in a format accessible to them.
This isn't so much leading horses to water and trying to make them drink as carting several gallons of water to horses that had merely expressed a desire for a couple of sips.
People may be frustrated and annoyed for several reasons:
they are not easily finding the information they wanted from your answer
they may resent you apparently having the time to compose multi-page
emails which they see as being bulked out with irrelevant information- They may feel you are grandstanding or showing-off, perhaps even trying to belittle them.
Your aim to try and communicate effectively has led you to try and communicate exhaustively. Not everyone has the same capacity to digest large blocks of information and assimilate them as you may have. YOu are estranging people.
I would suggest that you take your approach back to first principles and look at what constitutes effective communication. You may think that highly technical documents should be appropriate for your audience, but the evidence that it isn't is the response you are getting.
Effective communication in this context probably means cutting out all the things that are fascinating, provide background, correct people for using punctuation that you think wrong... all the things that a tutors of my partner in his university days called:
True but trivial
In terms of the emails you are laboriously constructing all of these things are obstructions to effective communication, they mess up the noise to signal ratio.
Use your detail and fact focused nature to write yourself a solution to writing overlong emails. Analyse the problem, identify the pitfalls, punctuate it correctly, add a ToC. Sigh sadly and shake your head at the limitations of your colleagues and go forth and communicate with them in their own language!
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Information is valuable, and I can certainly understand the desire to give the people you correspond with, all the important details you think they need. But let me ask, How many times in your emails have gone over the steps for X, and the steps for Y. Sure, one needs to do both X and Y to accomplish Z.. but if your email is particularly about Z, mentioning X and Y may be helpful, or it may, as you have found, be harmful, depending on the recipients level of knowledge/need/interest.
If your technology job was anything like mine, I would suggest you simply create a set of Standard-operating-documents, and store them someplace where the people that you email, can look at them. Google's DRIVE, for example, would probably work well for this. In there, thoroughly document X and Y, and label the file names clearly.
Now, in your email about Z, rather than a table of contents, you can just include a list of relevant links to the appropriate X and Y documents, at the bottom of your email, in a section called "related information" or something similar. You can even reference these docs from within the email text, if necessary, to describe how they relate to Z.
Now, a simple link can either be clicked-on or NOT by the recipient. The main difference here, is that it is their choice whether or not to look at (or even just "see") the additional info.
You can follow the same linking-to-other-docs procedure when creating the standard-docs themselves. It will prove more flexible to have lots of short docs, with many "related" links, than just a few long ones.
Another advantage of this method is that is reduces your total workload- you only need to explain the details of X once, ever.
I would do that at a previous job where I did more instructions and support than in-office communications. The problem became: people would not go get the file, nor read it. Instead of "that's too long of an email", it became "that's too many documents to read" or "that's too long of a document to read."
â YetAnotherRandomUser
Sep 3 at 16:01
Non-standard stuff: certainly, this answer would NOT apply to this kind of work. "too many documents" - " too long". Can't this be resolved by using the appropriate "architecture" for the documents, and their sub-links? (e.g. rather than including links to "X-part1" and "X part2" in the email- have a single link to "X main"- which therein contains links to X-part1 and X-part2). If people can "drill-down" to the information they need, and importantly avoid the information they don't, I'd suspect you won't get such complaints.
â Glurth
Sep 3 at 16:21
I have/had pictures, linked tables of contents, links to other documents, all the things. I think it's just a no-win situation. It's like feeding a troll that says "It's too complicated."
â YetAnotherRandomUser
Sep 3 at 16:44
With such a universal reaction, perhaps this means a different "architecture" is needed for your documents? e.g. How many times have you used the table of contents on wikis vs. how many times have you clicked (or NOT clicked) on a blue word, in the middle of a sentence, on wikis? I've also found "who this document is for"/"intended audience" headers, quite useful for avoiding stuff I don't need to know.
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I deal with this on a daily basis, because I am someone who loves to write 10 paragraph essays and post them on Facebook or send them as email. I am aware that my approach is not effective.
You mention one thing which resonated with me:
Most of the reason for the long-windedness is an effort to be thorough, reduce known/possible miscommunications
When it comes to technical content, I find there are two paths. One is the giant wall of text that we both love (which nobody ever reads). The other is to insert yourself, saying something like "if you have any questions, do not hesitate to email me about them." Communications is not fire-and-forget.
The mistake both of us make is the belief that the sending of the content is the important part of the communication. As long as the information was written out in text, we consider the job completed properly. However, in reality, it's the receiving of the content that matters, not the sending. That involves their mind, not just yours. The important part of this is that no email will ever fully transmit the knowledge in your mind, no matter how trivial it may seem. Take advantage of that. Leverage it. Give yourself some breathing room to focus on what different kinds of people want to hear.
Focus on one viewpoint which you believe should matter to them, and talk to it. Don't try to give all the viewpoints and get rid of all of the ambiguity. Ambiguity is fine. Give them one tiny viewport into the world you think matters.
Quite often technical content in our minds looks like this:
Do you feel your blood pressure rising, with a need to describe every little detail because the watch just doesn't work without them? Imagine having to read a description of this watch when you really didn't want to.
What you wanted was this:
And the comments section is always open if you have any questions.
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I read through your question, and said to myself: I have no clue what problem he describes, but this is surely a wall of text ...
Assuming that this question is representative of your usual communication style, what is good and bad about it?
The main problem is one of focus. I mean, in inquiring about your communication style, you thought it necessary to include
- that most people in your audience are not very "technical"
- that most people in your audience don't know keyboard shortcuts,
- that word can auto-generate a table of contents,
- that you have seen people use slashes and commas incorrectly,
- that bold font should be used for emphasis rather than "air quotes"
- ...
How is that relevant to the way you write your emails? Moreover, I can assure you that people either know these things, or don't care.
How to write better
- focus on the matter at hand, don't allow your mind to start wandering (or edit out unrelated stuff before sending)
- only include stuff that is known to be relevant. Things that may be relevant belong in separate, clearly labeled sections / documents, so people can read them only when they need to
- be clear in what you write, and use the language of your audience. If necessary, extend this language by introducing new terms with clear, unambiguous definitions.
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I would also suggest rereading the email before sending. I try to remember to do that and often catch extraneous / poorly worded text that way.
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You summarised your question excellently in the title, by the way.
I can relate. Even here I've written paragraphs upon paragraphs before being able to distil it into the essential message.
Find out more, manage their expectations, don't over-commit, and avoid going on tangents.
Here are examples of openers:
- I need more information to pin down the exact issue. What OS are you using? The steps required differ depending on that.
- What have you tried so far?
- This is rather complex. Are you sure you want to go down this route?
- You will need to do [summary], then [summary]. I can explain more if needed.
- You will need to do [summary], then [summary]. Be careful not to [summary] as that could wreck everything.
- When you have a moment please call me and I'll walk you through it.
- Here's a couple of links to articles. Let me know if you need anything else.
- I'm writing a how-to as a lot of people get caught up on this. Will update you when it's done.
As a last resort:
- When do you need this by? It's pretty involved and will require an in-depth response. Expect a long email.
Which title? My original, or JMC26's attempt to unclose the question?
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Sep 3 at 21:51
Both. I'm not referring to whatever restrictions this forum has on the exact wording of the title but the fact it conveyed the idea in about a dozen words
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A short email is harder to write than a long one. People are telling you to take the time and put in the effort to write a short one.
Let's say you're writing an email about how to boil an egg. In some sort of self-defense to ward off problems that have happened before you include sections on how to choose the right pot, a detailed discussion of the various sources of water for filling the pot, and a section for both gas and electric stoves, as well as how to tell which kind you have. 7 pages in, you mention to put the egg in the water, and three pages after that you say to start the timer -- perhaps when the egg is put in, perhaps when the water comes back to the boil. You include several videos to be clear about whether water is boiling or not, because these people aren't technical and you can't be too careful. After the videos, pages away from saying to start the timer, you indicate how long to boil the egg for, and then there are several more pages of vital details about egg-cups, spoons, knives etc and an appendix on running hardboiled eggs under the cold tap and what causes that green ring. Nobody can find the "ten minutes" in all that. They are frustrated by the huge long irrelevant thing you wrote.
What they want from you is to mention the water, the pot and stove, when to put the egg in, when to time from, and how long to cook it. That's easy to know about egg-boiling. It's hard to know about your subject.
An email is not a course. It's not a manual. It won't defend you from trouble. It is hard work to extract the absolutely vital pieces of information from the trove you know, and share just those with the people who need them. You are being told you should do that work.
In your emails, tell people the things that they need to know and would not think to ask if you didn't tell them. Include links to more detailed background they might need, or include documents as attachments and explain the circumstances under which the attachments will be needed. If something is tricky or depends highly on something else, it's ok to say "we may need to de-frabulate the syscomator at this point, but if so I will notice and let everyone know," or "at this point it's important to do nothing for 24 hours so we can tell whether or not I need to de-frabulate the syscomator" without including a simple ten page summary of that process. They don't need to know those details. They do need to know about the letting it sit. You need to put in the work to establish what they need to know in this email, which is less than everything they need to know ever.
A boiling egg is a useful example, since many people can relate to that. And your example takes it to level 9001. However, what if the explanation was 2-3 pages, and didn't cover pot selection, sources for water, stoves, egg cups, etc, and had a couple pictures taking up space. Wiki-how, manages to make the instructions many pages (10+ it looks like) wikihow.com/Hard-Boil-an-Egg, so by that comparison, 2-3 pages is quite succinct. I'm not being pedantic, I'm trying to dial it back to see how things scale down.
â YetAnotherRandomUser
Sep 3 at 14:50
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You have a lovely experimental set in the form of your coworkers. Go down one level and see if it makes a difference. Then another, then another. Ask someone to let you know when they see an improvement and when you're getting it close to right. You're correct, you don't need to jump from 17 pages with illustrations to 2 sentences, you can come down a bit at a time.
â Kate Gregory
Sep 3 at 16:10
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If I search for the how to search for hard-boil an egg, Google includes the top-result in the results page and it is "Hard: Place your eggs in a pot and cover with cold water by 1 inch. Bring to a boil over medium-high heat, then cover, remove from the heat and set aside 8 to 10 minutes. Drain, cool in ice water and peel." . Most people would call that succinct and think 2-3 pages is not.
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A short email is harder to write than a long one. People are telling you to take the time and put in the effort to write a short one.
Let's say you're writing an email about how to boil an egg. In some sort of self-defense to ward off problems that have happened before you include sections on how to choose the right pot, a detailed discussion of the various sources of water for filling the pot, and a section for both gas and electric stoves, as well as how to tell which kind you have. 7 pages in, you mention to put the egg in the water, and three pages after that you say to start the timer -- perhaps when the egg is put in, perhaps when the water comes back to the boil. You include several videos to be clear about whether water is boiling or not, because these people aren't technical and you can't be too careful. After the videos, pages away from saying to start the timer, you indicate how long to boil the egg for, and then there are several more pages of vital details about egg-cups, spoons, knives etc and an appendix on running hardboiled eggs under the cold tap and what causes that green ring. Nobody can find the "ten minutes" in all that. They are frustrated by the huge long irrelevant thing you wrote.
What they want from you is to mention the water, the pot and stove, when to put the egg in, when to time from, and how long to cook it. That's easy to know about egg-boiling. It's hard to know about your subject.
An email is not a course. It's not a manual. It won't defend you from trouble. It is hard work to extract the absolutely vital pieces of information from the trove you know, and share just those with the people who need them. You are being told you should do that work.
In your emails, tell people the things that they need to know and would not think to ask if you didn't tell them. Include links to more detailed background they might need, or include documents as attachments and explain the circumstances under which the attachments will be needed. If something is tricky or depends highly on something else, it's ok to say "we may need to de-frabulate the syscomator at this point, but if so I will notice and let everyone know," or "at this point it's important to do nothing for 24 hours so we can tell whether or not I need to de-frabulate the syscomator" without including a simple ten page summary of that process. They don't need to know those details. They do need to know about the letting it sit. You need to put in the work to establish what they need to know in this email, which is less than everything they need to know ever.
A boiling egg is a useful example, since many people can relate to that. And your example takes it to level 9001. However, what if the explanation was 2-3 pages, and didn't cover pot selection, sources for water, stoves, egg cups, etc, and had a couple pictures taking up space. Wiki-how, manages to make the instructions many pages (10+ it looks like) wikihow.com/Hard-Boil-an-Egg, so by that comparison, 2-3 pages is quite succinct. I'm not being pedantic, I'm trying to dial it back to see how things scale down.
â YetAnotherRandomUser
Sep 3 at 14:50
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You have a lovely experimental set in the form of your coworkers. Go down one level and see if it makes a difference. Then another, then another. Ask someone to let you know when they see an improvement and when you're getting it close to right. You're correct, you don't need to jump from 17 pages with illustrations to 2 sentences, you can come down a bit at a time.
â Kate Gregory
Sep 3 at 16:10
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If I search for the how to search for hard-boil an egg, Google includes the top-result in the results page and it is "Hard: Place your eggs in a pot and cover with cold water by 1 inch. Bring to a boil over medium-high heat, then cover, remove from the heat and set aside 8 to 10 minutes. Drain, cool in ice water and peel." . Most people would call that succinct and think 2-3 pages is not.
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A short email is harder to write than a long one. People are telling you to take the time and put in the effort to write a short one.
Let's say you're writing an email about how to boil an egg. In some sort of self-defense to ward off problems that have happened before you include sections on how to choose the right pot, a detailed discussion of the various sources of water for filling the pot, and a section for both gas and electric stoves, as well as how to tell which kind you have. 7 pages in, you mention to put the egg in the water, and three pages after that you say to start the timer -- perhaps when the egg is put in, perhaps when the water comes back to the boil. You include several videos to be clear about whether water is boiling or not, because these people aren't technical and you can't be too careful. After the videos, pages away from saying to start the timer, you indicate how long to boil the egg for, and then there are several more pages of vital details about egg-cups, spoons, knives etc and an appendix on running hardboiled eggs under the cold tap and what causes that green ring. Nobody can find the "ten minutes" in all that. They are frustrated by the huge long irrelevant thing you wrote.
What they want from you is to mention the water, the pot and stove, when to put the egg in, when to time from, and how long to cook it. That's easy to know about egg-boiling. It's hard to know about your subject.
An email is not a course. It's not a manual. It won't defend you from trouble. It is hard work to extract the absolutely vital pieces of information from the trove you know, and share just those with the people who need them. You are being told you should do that work.
In your emails, tell people the things that they need to know and would not think to ask if you didn't tell them. Include links to more detailed background they might need, or include documents as attachments and explain the circumstances under which the attachments will be needed. If something is tricky or depends highly on something else, it's ok to say "we may need to de-frabulate the syscomator at this point, but if so I will notice and let everyone know," or "at this point it's important to do nothing for 24 hours so we can tell whether or not I need to de-frabulate the syscomator" without including a simple ten page summary of that process. They don't need to know those details. They do need to know about the letting it sit. You need to put in the work to establish what they need to know in this email, which is less than everything they need to know ever.
A short email is harder to write than a long one. People are telling you to take the time and put in the effort to write a short one.
Let's say you're writing an email about how to boil an egg. In some sort of self-defense to ward off problems that have happened before you include sections on how to choose the right pot, a detailed discussion of the various sources of water for filling the pot, and a section for both gas and electric stoves, as well as how to tell which kind you have. 7 pages in, you mention to put the egg in the water, and three pages after that you say to start the timer -- perhaps when the egg is put in, perhaps when the water comes back to the boil. You include several videos to be clear about whether water is boiling or not, because these people aren't technical and you can't be too careful. After the videos, pages away from saying to start the timer, you indicate how long to boil the egg for, and then there are several more pages of vital details about egg-cups, spoons, knives etc and an appendix on running hardboiled eggs under the cold tap and what causes that green ring. Nobody can find the "ten minutes" in all that. They are frustrated by the huge long irrelevant thing you wrote.
What they want from you is to mention the water, the pot and stove, when to put the egg in, when to time from, and how long to cook it. That's easy to know about egg-boiling. It's hard to know about your subject.
An email is not a course. It's not a manual. It won't defend you from trouble. It is hard work to extract the absolutely vital pieces of information from the trove you know, and share just those with the people who need them. You are being told you should do that work.
In your emails, tell people the things that they need to know and would not think to ask if you didn't tell them. Include links to more detailed background they might need, or include documents as attachments and explain the circumstances under which the attachments will be needed. If something is tricky or depends highly on something else, it's ok to say "we may need to de-frabulate the syscomator at this point, but if so I will notice and let everyone know," or "at this point it's important to do nothing for 24 hours so we can tell whether or not I need to de-frabulate the syscomator" without including a simple ten page summary of that process. They don't need to know those details. They do need to know about the letting it sit. You need to put in the work to establish what they need to know in this email, which is less than everything they need to know ever.
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A boiling egg is a useful example, since many people can relate to that. And your example takes it to level 9001. However, what if the explanation was 2-3 pages, and didn't cover pot selection, sources for water, stoves, egg cups, etc, and had a couple pictures taking up space. Wiki-how, manages to make the instructions many pages (10+ it looks like) wikihow.com/Hard-Boil-an-Egg, so by that comparison, 2-3 pages is quite succinct. I'm not being pedantic, I'm trying to dial it back to see how things scale down.
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You have a lovely experimental set in the form of your coworkers. Go down one level and see if it makes a difference. Then another, then another. Ask someone to let you know when they see an improvement and when you're getting it close to right. You're correct, you don't need to jump from 17 pages with illustrations to 2 sentences, you can come down a bit at a time.
â Kate Gregory
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If I search for the how to search for hard-boil an egg, Google includes the top-result in the results page and it is "Hard: Place your eggs in a pot and cover with cold water by 1 inch. Bring to a boil over medium-high heat, then cover, remove from the heat and set aside 8 to 10 minutes. Drain, cool in ice water and peel." . Most people would call that succinct and think 2-3 pages is not.
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A boiling egg is a useful example, since many people can relate to that. And your example takes it to level 9001. However, what if the explanation was 2-3 pages, and didn't cover pot selection, sources for water, stoves, egg cups, etc, and had a couple pictures taking up space. Wiki-how, manages to make the instructions many pages (10+ it looks like) wikihow.com/Hard-Boil-an-Egg, so by that comparison, 2-3 pages is quite succinct. I'm not being pedantic, I'm trying to dial it back to see how things scale down.
â YetAnotherRandomUser
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You have a lovely experimental set in the form of your coworkers. Go down one level and see if it makes a difference. Then another, then another. Ask someone to let you know when they see an improvement and when you're getting it close to right. You're correct, you don't need to jump from 17 pages with illustrations to 2 sentences, you can come down a bit at a time.
â Kate Gregory
Sep 3 at 16:10
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If I search for the how to search for hard-boil an egg, Google includes the top-result in the results page and it is "Hard: Place your eggs in a pot and cover with cold water by 1 inch. Bring to a boil over medium-high heat, then cover, remove from the heat and set aside 8 to 10 minutes. Drain, cool in ice water and peel." . Most people would call that succinct and think 2-3 pages is not.
â matt freake
Sep 3 at 16:13
A boiling egg is a useful example, since many people can relate to that. And your example takes it to level 9001. However, what if the explanation was 2-3 pages, and didn't cover pot selection, sources for water, stoves, egg cups, etc, and had a couple pictures taking up space. Wiki-how, manages to make the instructions many pages (10+ it looks like) wikihow.com/Hard-Boil-an-Egg, so by that comparison, 2-3 pages is quite succinct. I'm not being pedantic, I'm trying to dial it back to see how things scale down.
â YetAnotherRandomUser
Sep 3 at 14:50
A boiling egg is a useful example, since many people can relate to that. And your example takes it to level 9001. However, what if the explanation was 2-3 pages, and didn't cover pot selection, sources for water, stoves, egg cups, etc, and had a couple pictures taking up space. Wiki-how, manages to make the instructions many pages (10+ it looks like) wikihow.com/Hard-Boil-an-Egg, so by that comparison, 2-3 pages is quite succinct. I'm not being pedantic, I'm trying to dial it back to see how things scale down.
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You have a lovely experimental set in the form of your coworkers. Go down one level and see if it makes a difference. Then another, then another. Ask someone to let you know when they see an improvement and when you're getting it close to right. You're correct, you don't need to jump from 17 pages with illustrations to 2 sentences, you can come down a bit at a time.
â Kate Gregory
Sep 3 at 16:10
You have a lovely experimental set in the form of your coworkers. Go down one level and see if it makes a difference. Then another, then another. Ask someone to let you know when they see an improvement and when you're getting it close to right. You're correct, you don't need to jump from 17 pages with illustrations to 2 sentences, you can come down a bit at a time.
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If I search for the how to search for hard-boil an egg, Google includes the top-result in the results page and it is "Hard: Place your eggs in a pot and cover with cold water by 1 inch. Bring to a boil over medium-high heat, then cover, remove from the heat and set aside 8 to 10 minutes. Drain, cool in ice water and peel." . Most people would call that succinct and think 2-3 pages is not.
â matt freake
Sep 3 at 16:13
If I search for the how to search for hard-boil an egg, Google includes the top-result in the results page and it is "Hard: Place your eggs in a pot and cover with cold water by 1 inch. Bring to a boil over medium-high heat, then cover, remove from the heat and set aside 8 to 10 minutes. Drain, cool in ice water and peel." . Most people would call that succinct and think 2-3 pages is not.
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Your personality leads you to always write a certain style of email.
Your style is aimed at communicating detailed and unambiguous information which covers all reasonable eventualities.
You get flak for these answers, they go unread, get skimmed and ignored.
The emails get skimmed and ignored because, despite your laudable aims, your communication style is not appropriate to the recipients. It may be the information you believe they need, but it isn't the information they want, presented in a format accessible to them.
This isn't so much leading horses to water and trying to make them drink as carting several gallons of water to horses that had merely expressed a desire for a couple of sips.
People may be frustrated and annoyed for several reasons:
they are not easily finding the information they wanted from your answer
they may resent you apparently having the time to compose multi-page
emails which they see as being bulked out with irrelevant information- They may feel you are grandstanding or showing-off, perhaps even trying to belittle them.
Your aim to try and communicate effectively has led you to try and communicate exhaustively. Not everyone has the same capacity to digest large blocks of information and assimilate them as you may have. YOu are estranging people.
I would suggest that you take your approach back to first principles and look at what constitutes effective communication. You may think that highly technical documents should be appropriate for your audience, but the evidence that it isn't is the response you are getting.
Effective communication in this context probably means cutting out all the things that are fascinating, provide background, correct people for using punctuation that you think wrong... all the things that a tutors of my partner in his university days called:
True but trivial
In terms of the emails you are laboriously constructing all of these things are obstructions to effective communication, they mess up the noise to signal ratio.
Use your detail and fact focused nature to write yourself a solution to writing overlong emails. Analyse the problem, identify the pitfalls, punctuate it correctly, add a ToC. Sigh sadly and shake your head at the limitations of your colleagues and go forth and communicate with them in their own language!
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Your personality leads you to always write a certain style of email.
Your style is aimed at communicating detailed and unambiguous information which covers all reasonable eventualities.
You get flak for these answers, they go unread, get skimmed and ignored.
The emails get skimmed and ignored because, despite your laudable aims, your communication style is not appropriate to the recipients. It may be the information you believe they need, but it isn't the information they want, presented in a format accessible to them.
This isn't so much leading horses to water and trying to make them drink as carting several gallons of water to horses that had merely expressed a desire for a couple of sips.
People may be frustrated and annoyed for several reasons:
they are not easily finding the information they wanted from your answer
they may resent you apparently having the time to compose multi-page
emails which they see as being bulked out with irrelevant information- They may feel you are grandstanding or showing-off, perhaps even trying to belittle them.
Your aim to try and communicate effectively has led you to try and communicate exhaustively. Not everyone has the same capacity to digest large blocks of information and assimilate them as you may have. YOu are estranging people.
I would suggest that you take your approach back to first principles and look at what constitutes effective communication. You may think that highly technical documents should be appropriate for your audience, but the evidence that it isn't is the response you are getting.
Effective communication in this context probably means cutting out all the things that are fascinating, provide background, correct people for using punctuation that you think wrong... all the things that a tutors of my partner in his university days called:
True but trivial
In terms of the emails you are laboriously constructing all of these things are obstructions to effective communication, they mess up the noise to signal ratio.
Use your detail and fact focused nature to write yourself a solution to writing overlong emails. Analyse the problem, identify the pitfalls, punctuate it correctly, add a ToC. Sigh sadly and shake your head at the limitations of your colleagues and go forth and communicate with them in their own language!
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Your personality leads you to always write a certain style of email.
Your style is aimed at communicating detailed and unambiguous information which covers all reasonable eventualities.
You get flak for these answers, they go unread, get skimmed and ignored.
The emails get skimmed and ignored because, despite your laudable aims, your communication style is not appropriate to the recipients. It may be the information you believe they need, but it isn't the information they want, presented in a format accessible to them.
This isn't so much leading horses to water and trying to make them drink as carting several gallons of water to horses that had merely expressed a desire for a couple of sips.
People may be frustrated and annoyed for several reasons:
they are not easily finding the information they wanted from your answer
they may resent you apparently having the time to compose multi-page
emails which they see as being bulked out with irrelevant information- They may feel you are grandstanding or showing-off, perhaps even trying to belittle them.
Your aim to try and communicate effectively has led you to try and communicate exhaustively. Not everyone has the same capacity to digest large blocks of information and assimilate them as you may have. YOu are estranging people.
I would suggest that you take your approach back to first principles and look at what constitutes effective communication. You may think that highly technical documents should be appropriate for your audience, but the evidence that it isn't is the response you are getting.
Effective communication in this context probably means cutting out all the things that are fascinating, provide background, correct people for using punctuation that you think wrong... all the things that a tutors of my partner in his university days called:
True but trivial
In terms of the emails you are laboriously constructing all of these things are obstructions to effective communication, they mess up the noise to signal ratio.
Use your detail and fact focused nature to write yourself a solution to writing overlong emails. Analyse the problem, identify the pitfalls, punctuate it correctly, add a ToC. Sigh sadly and shake your head at the limitations of your colleagues and go forth and communicate with them in their own language!
Your personality leads you to always write a certain style of email.
Your style is aimed at communicating detailed and unambiguous information which covers all reasonable eventualities.
You get flak for these answers, they go unread, get skimmed and ignored.
The emails get skimmed and ignored because, despite your laudable aims, your communication style is not appropriate to the recipients. It may be the information you believe they need, but it isn't the information they want, presented in a format accessible to them.
This isn't so much leading horses to water and trying to make them drink as carting several gallons of water to horses that had merely expressed a desire for a couple of sips.
People may be frustrated and annoyed for several reasons:
they are not easily finding the information they wanted from your answer
they may resent you apparently having the time to compose multi-page
emails which they see as being bulked out with irrelevant information- They may feel you are grandstanding or showing-off, perhaps even trying to belittle them.
Your aim to try and communicate effectively has led you to try and communicate exhaustively. Not everyone has the same capacity to digest large blocks of information and assimilate them as you may have. YOu are estranging people.
I would suggest that you take your approach back to first principles and look at what constitutes effective communication. You may think that highly technical documents should be appropriate for your audience, but the evidence that it isn't is the response you are getting.
Effective communication in this context probably means cutting out all the things that are fascinating, provide background, correct people for using punctuation that you think wrong... all the things that a tutors of my partner in his university days called:
True but trivial
In terms of the emails you are laboriously constructing all of these things are obstructions to effective communication, they mess up the noise to signal ratio.
Use your detail and fact focused nature to write yourself a solution to writing overlong emails. Analyse the problem, identify the pitfalls, punctuate it correctly, add a ToC. Sigh sadly and shake your head at the limitations of your colleagues and go forth and communicate with them in their own language!
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Information is valuable, and I can certainly understand the desire to give the people you correspond with, all the important details you think they need. But let me ask, How many times in your emails have gone over the steps for X, and the steps for Y. Sure, one needs to do both X and Y to accomplish Z.. but if your email is particularly about Z, mentioning X and Y may be helpful, or it may, as you have found, be harmful, depending on the recipients level of knowledge/need/interest.
If your technology job was anything like mine, I would suggest you simply create a set of Standard-operating-documents, and store them someplace where the people that you email, can look at them. Google's DRIVE, for example, would probably work well for this. In there, thoroughly document X and Y, and label the file names clearly.
Now, in your email about Z, rather than a table of contents, you can just include a list of relevant links to the appropriate X and Y documents, at the bottom of your email, in a section called "related information" or something similar. You can even reference these docs from within the email text, if necessary, to describe how they relate to Z.
Now, a simple link can either be clicked-on or NOT by the recipient. The main difference here, is that it is their choice whether or not to look at (or even just "see") the additional info.
You can follow the same linking-to-other-docs procedure when creating the standard-docs themselves. It will prove more flexible to have lots of short docs, with many "related" links, than just a few long ones.
Another advantage of this method is that is reduces your total workload- you only need to explain the details of X once, ever.
I would do that at a previous job where I did more instructions and support than in-office communications. The problem became: people would not go get the file, nor read it. Instead of "that's too long of an email", it became "that's too many documents to read" or "that's too long of a document to read."
â YetAnotherRandomUser
Sep 3 at 16:01
Non-standard stuff: certainly, this answer would NOT apply to this kind of work. "too many documents" - " too long". Can't this be resolved by using the appropriate "architecture" for the documents, and their sub-links? (e.g. rather than including links to "X-part1" and "X part2" in the email- have a single link to "X main"- which therein contains links to X-part1 and X-part2). If people can "drill-down" to the information they need, and importantly avoid the information they don't, I'd suspect you won't get such complaints.
â Glurth
Sep 3 at 16:21
I have/had pictures, linked tables of contents, links to other documents, all the things. I think it's just a no-win situation. It's like feeding a troll that says "It's too complicated."
â YetAnotherRandomUser
Sep 3 at 16:44
With such a universal reaction, perhaps this means a different "architecture" is needed for your documents? e.g. How many times have you used the table of contents on wikis vs. how many times have you clicked (or NOT clicked) on a blue word, in the middle of a sentence, on wikis? I've also found "who this document is for"/"intended audience" headers, quite useful for avoiding stuff I don't need to know.
â Glurth
Sep 3 at 17:18
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Information is valuable, and I can certainly understand the desire to give the people you correspond with, all the important details you think they need. But let me ask, How many times in your emails have gone over the steps for X, and the steps for Y. Sure, one needs to do both X and Y to accomplish Z.. but if your email is particularly about Z, mentioning X and Y may be helpful, or it may, as you have found, be harmful, depending on the recipients level of knowledge/need/interest.
If your technology job was anything like mine, I would suggest you simply create a set of Standard-operating-documents, and store them someplace where the people that you email, can look at them. Google's DRIVE, for example, would probably work well for this. In there, thoroughly document X and Y, and label the file names clearly.
Now, in your email about Z, rather than a table of contents, you can just include a list of relevant links to the appropriate X and Y documents, at the bottom of your email, in a section called "related information" or something similar. You can even reference these docs from within the email text, if necessary, to describe how they relate to Z.
Now, a simple link can either be clicked-on or NOT by the recipient. The main difference here, is that it is their choice whether or not to look at (or even just "see") the additional info.
You can follow the same linking-to-other-docs procedure when creating the standard-docs themselves. It will prove more flexible to have lots of short docs, with many "related" links, than just a few long ones.
Another advantage of this method is that is reduces your total workload- you only need to explain the details of X once, ever.
I would do that at a previous job where I did more instructions and support than in-office communications. The problem became: people would not go get the file, nor read it. Instead of "that's too long of an email", it became "that's too many documents to read" or "that's too long of a document to read."
â YetAnotherRandomUser
Sep 3 at 16:01
Non-standard stuff: certainly, this answer would NOT apply to this kind of work. "too many documents" - " too long". Can't this be resolved by using the appropriate "architecture" for the documents, and their sub-links? (e.g. rather than including links to "X-part1" and "X part2" in the email- have a single link to "X main"- which therein contains links to X-part1 and X-part2). If people can "drill-down" to the information they need, and importantly avoid the information they don't, I'd suspect you won't get such complaints.
â Glurth
Sep 3 at 16:21
I have/had pictures, linked tables of contents, links to other documents, all the things. I think it's just a no-win situation. It's like feeding a troll that says "It's too complicated."
â YetAnotherRandomUser
Sep 3 at 16:44
With such a universal reaction, perhaps this means a different "architecture" is needed for your documents? e.g. How many times have you used the table of contents on wikis vs. how many times have you clicked (or NOT clicked) on a blue word, in the middle of a sentence, on wikis? I've also found "who this document is for"/"intended audience" headers, quite useful for avoiding stuff I don't need to know.
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Sep 3 at 17:18
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Information is valuable, and I can certainly understand the desire to give the people you correspond with, all the important details you think they need. But let me ask, How many times in your emails have gone over the steps for X, and the steps for Y. Sure, one needs to do both X and Y to accomplish Z.. but if your email is particularly about Z, mentioning X and Y may be helpful, or it may, as you have found, be harmful, depending on the recipients level of knowledge/need/interest.
If your technology job was anything like mine, I would suggest you simply create a set of Standard-operating-documents, and store them someplace where the people that you email, can look at them. Google's DRIVE, for example, would probably work well for this. In there, thoroughly document X and Y, and label the file names clearly.
Now, in your email about Z, rather than a table of contents, you can just include a list of relevant links to the appropriate X and Y documents, at the bottom of your email, in a section called "related information" or something similar. You can even reference these docs from within the email text, if necessary, to describe how they relate to Z.
Now, a simple link can either be clicked-on or NOT by the recipient. The main difference here, is that it is their choice whether or not to look at (or even just "see") the additional info.
You can follow the same linking-to-other-docs procedure when creating the standard-docs themselves. It will prove more flexible to have lots of short docs, with many "related" links, than just a few long ones.
Another advantage of this method is that is reduces your total workload- you only need to explain the details of X once, ever.
Information is valuable, and I can certainly understand the desire to give the people you correspond with, all the important details you think they need. But let me ask, How many times in your emails have gone over the steps for X, and the steps for Y. Sure, one needs to do both X and Y to accomplish Z.. but if your email is particularly about Z, mentioning X and Y may be helpful, or it may, as you have found, be harmful, depending on the recipients level of knowledge/need/interest.
If your technology job was anything like mine, I would suggest you simply create a set of Standard-operating-documents, and store them someplace where the people that you email, can look at them. Google's DRIVE, for example, would probably work well for this. In there, thoroughly document X and Y, and label the file names clearly.
Now, in your email about Z, rather than a table of contents, you can just include a list of relevant links to the appropriate X and Y documents, at the bottom of your email, in a section called "related information" or something similar. You can even reference these docs from within the email text, if necessary, to describe how they relate to Z.
Now, a simple link can either be clicked-on or NOT by the recipient. The main difference here, is that it is their choice whether or not to look at (or even just "see") the additional info.
You can follow the same linking-to-other-docs procedure when creating the standard-docs themselves. It will prove more flexible to have lots of short docs, with many "related" links, than just a few long ones.
Another advantage of this method is that is reduces your total workload- you only need to explain the details of X once, ever.
answered Sep 3 at 15:56
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I would do that at a previous job where I did more instructions and support than in-office communications. The problem became: people would not go get the file, nor read it. Instead of "that's too long of an email", it became "that's too many documents to read" or "that's too long of a document to read."
â YetAnotherRandomUser
Sep 3 at 16:01
Non-standard stuff: certainly, this answer would NOT apply to this kind of work. "too many documents" - " too long". Can't this be resolved by using the appropriate "architecture" for the documents, and their sub-links? (e.g. rather than including links to "X-part1" and "X part2" in the email- have a single link to "X main"- which therein contains links to X-part1 and X-part2). If people can "drill-down" to the information they need, and importantly avoid the information they don't, I'd suspect you won't get such complaints.
â Glurth
Sep 3 at 16:21
I have/had pictures, linked tables of contents, links to other documents, all the things. I think it's just a no-win situation. It's like feeding a troll that says "It's too complicated."
â YetAnotherRandomUser
Sep 3 at 16:44
With such a universal reaction, perhaps this means a different "architecture" is needed for your documents? e.g. How many times have you used the table of contents on wikis vs. how many times have you clicked (or NOT clicked) on a blue word, in the middle of a sentence, on wikis? I've also found "who this document is for"/"intended audience" headers, quite useful for avoiding stuff I don't need to know.
â Glurth
Sep 3 at 17:18
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I would do that at a previous job where I did more instructions and support than in-office communications. The problem became: people would not go get the file, nor read it. Instead of "that's too long of an email", it became "that's too many documents to read" or "that's too long of a document to read."
â YetAnotherRandomUser
Sep 3 at 16:01
Non-standard stuff: certainly, this answer would NOT apply to this kind of work. "too many documents" - " too long". Can't this be resolved by using the appropriate "architecture" for the documents, and their sub-links? (e.g. rather than including links to "X-part1" and "X part2" in the email- have a single link to "X main"- which therein contains links to X-part1 and X-part2). If people can "drill-down" to the information they need, and importantly avoid the information they don't, I'd suspect you won't get such complaints.
â Glurth
Sep 3 at 16:21
I have/had pictures, linked tables of contents, links to other documents, all the things. I think it's just a no-win situation. It's like feeding a troll that says "It's too complicated."
â YetAnotherRandomUser
Sep 3 at 16:44
With such a universal reaction, perhaps this means a different "architecture" is needed for your documents? e.g. How many times have you used the table of contents on wikis vs. how many times have you clicked (or NOT clicked) on a blue word, in the middle of a sentence, on wikis? I've also found "who this document is for"/"intended audience" headers, quite useful for avoiding stuff I don't need to know.
â Glurth
Sep 3 at 17:18
I would do that at a previous job where I did more instructions and support than in-office communications. The problem became: people would not go get the file, nor read it. Instead of "that's too long of an email", it became "that's too many documents to read" or "that's too long of a document to read."
â YetAnotherRandomUser
Sep 3 at 16:01
I would do that at a previous job where I did more instructions and support than in-office communications. The problem became: people would not go get the file, nor read it. Instead of "that's too long of an email", it became "that's too many documents to read" or "that's too long of a document to read."
â YetAnotherRandomUser
Sep 3 at 16:01
Non-standard stuff: certainly, this answer would NOT apply to this kind of work. "too many documents" - " too long". Can't this be resolved by using the appropriate "architecture" for the documents, and their sub-links? (e.g. rather than including links to "X-part1" and "X part2" in the email- have a single link to "X main"- which therein contains links to X-part1 and X-part2). If people can "drill-down" to the information they need, and importantly avoid the information they don't, I'd suspect you won't get such complaints.
â Glurth
Sep 3 at 16:21
Non-standard stuff: certainly, this answer would NOT apply to this kind of work. "too many documents" - " too long". Can't this be resolved by using the appropriate "architecture" for the documents, and their sub-links? (e.g. rather than including links to "X-part1" and "X part2" in the email- have a single link to "X main"- which therein contains links to X-part1 and X-part2). If people can "drill-down" to the information they need, and importantly avoid the information they don't, I'd suspect you won't get such complaints.
â Glurth
Sep 3 at 16:21
I have/had pictures, linked tables of contents, links to other documents, all the things. I think it's just a no-win situation. It's like feeding a troll that says "It's too complicated."
â YetAnotherRandomUser
Sep 3 at 16:44
I have/had pictures, linked tables of contents, links to other documents, all the things. I think it's just a no-win situation. It's like feeding a troll that says "It's too complicated."
â YetAnotherRandomUser
Sep 3 at 16:44
With such a universal reaction, perhaps this means a different "architecture" is needed for your documents? e.g. How many times have you used the table of contents on wikis vs. how many times have you clicked (or NOT clicked) on a blue word, in the middle of a sentence, on wikis? I've also found "who this document is for"/"intended audience" headers, quite useful for avoiding stuff I don't need to know.
â Glurth
Sep 3 at 17:18
With such a universal reaction, perhaps this means a different "architecture" is needed for your documents? e.g. How many times have you used the table of contents on wikis vs. how many times have you clicked (or NOT clicked) on a blue word, in the middle of a sentence, on wikis? I've also found "who this document is for"/"intended audience" headers, quite useful for avoiding stuff I don't need to know.
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Sep 3 at 17:18
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I deal with this on a daily basis, because I am someone who loves to write 10 paragraph essays and post them on Facebook or send them as email. I am aware that my approach is not effective.
You mention one thing which resonated with me:
Most of the reason for the long-windedness is an effort to be thorough, reduce known/possible miscommunications
When it comes to technical content, I find there are two paths. One is the giant wall of text that we both love (which nobody ever reads). The other is to insert yourself, saying something like "if you have any questions, do not hesitate to email me about them." Communications is not fire-and-forget.
The mistake both of us make is the belief that the sending of the content is the important part of the communication. As long as the information was written out in text, we consider the job completed properly. However, in reality, it's the receiving of the content that matters, not the sending. That involves their mind, not just yours. The important part of this is that no email will ever fully transmit the knowledge in your mind, no matter how trivial it may seem. Take advantage of that. Leverage it. Give yourself some breathing room to focus on what different kinds of people want to hear.
Focus on one viewpoint which you believe should matter to them, and talk to it. Don't try to give all the viewpoints and get rid of all of the ambiguity. Ambiguity is fine. Give them one tiny viewport into the world you think matters.
Quite often technical content in our minds looks like this:
Do you feel your blood pressure rising, with a need to describe every little detail because the watch just doesn't work without them? Imagine having to read a description of this watch when you really didn't want to.
What you wanted was this:
And the comments section is always open if you have any questions.
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I deal with this on a daily basis, because I am someone who loves to write 10 paragraph essays and post them on Facebook or send them as email. I am aware that my approach is not effective.
You mention one thing which resonated with me:
Most of the reason for the long-windedness is an effort to be thorough, reduce known/possible miscommunications
When it comes to technical content, I find there are two paths. One is the giant wall of text that we both love (which nobody ever reads). The other is to insert yourself, saying something like "if you have any questions, do not hesitate to email me about them." Communications is not fire-and-forget.
The mistake both of us make is the belief that the sending of the content is the important part of the communication. As long as the information was written out in text, we consider the job completed properly. However, in reality, it's the receiving of the content that matters, not the sending. That involves their mind, not just yours. The important part of this is that no email will ever fully transmit the knowledge in your mind, no matter how trivial it may seem. Take advantage of that. Leverage it. Give yourself some breathing room to focus on what different kinds of people want to hear.
Focus on one viewpoint which you believe should matter to them, and talk to it. Don't try to give all the viewpoints and get rid of all of the ambiguity. Ambiguity is fine. Give them one tiny viewport into the world you think matters.
Quite often technical content in our minds looks like this:
Do you feel your blood pressure rising, with a need to describe every little detail because the watch just doesn't work without them? Imagine having to read a description of this watch when you really didn't want to.
What you wanted was this:
And the comments section is always open if you have any questions.
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I deal with this on a daily basis, because I am someone who loves to write 10 paragraph essays and post them on Facebook or send them as email. I am aware that my approach is not effective.
You mention one thing which resonated with me:
Most of the reason for the long-windedness is an effort to be thorough, reduce known/possible miscommunications
When it comes to technical content, I find there are two paths. One is the giant wall of text that we both love (which nobody ever reads). The other is to insert yourself, saying something like "if you have any questions, do not hesitate to email me about them." Communications is not fire-and-forget.
The mistake both of us make is the belief that the sending of the content is the important part of the communication. As long as the information was written out in text, we consider the job completed properly. However, in reality, it's the receiving of the content that matters, not the sending. That involves their mind, not just yours. The important part of this is that no email will ever fully transmit the knowledge in your mind, no matter how trivial it may seem. Take advantage of that. Leverage it. Give yourself some breathing room to focus on what different kinds of people want to hear.
Focus on one viewpoint which you believe should matter to them, and talk to it. Don't try to give all the viewpoints and get rid of all of the ambiguity. Ambiguity is fine. Give them one tiny viewport into the world you think matters.
Quite often technical content in our minds looks like this:
Do you feel your blood pressure rising, with a need to describe every little detail because the watch just doesn't work without them? Imagine having to read a description of this watch when you really didn't want to.
What you wanted was this:
And the comments section is always open if you have any questions.
I deal with this on a daily basis, because I am someone who loves to write 10 paragraph essays and post them on Facebook or send them as email. I am aware that my approach is not effective.
You mention one thing which resonated with me:
Most of the reason for the long-windedness is an effort to be thorough, reduce known/possible miscommunications
When it comes to technical content, I find there are two paths. One is the giant wall of text that we both love (which nobody ever reads). The other is to insert yourself, saying something like "if you have any questions, do not hesitate to email me about them." Communications is not fire-and-forget.
The mistake both of us make is the belief that the sending of the content is the important part of the communication. As long as the information was written out in text, we consider the job completed properly. However, in reality, it's the receiving of the content that matters, not the sending. That involves their mind, not just yours. The important part of this is that no email will ever fully transmit the knowledge in your mind, no matter how trivial it may seem. Take advantage of that. Leverage it. Give yourself some breathing room to focus on what different kinds of people want to hear.
Focus on one viewpoint which you believe should matter to them, and talk to it. Don't try to give all the viewpoints and get rid of all of the ambiguity. Ambiguity is fine. Give them one tiny viewport into the world you think matters.
Quite often technical content in our minds looks like this:
Do you feel your blood pressure rising, with a need to describe every little detail because the watch just doesn't work without them? Imagine having to read a description of this watch when you really didn't want to.
What you wanted was this:
And the comments section is always open if you have any questions.
answered Sep 3 at 16:42
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I read through your question, and said to myself: I have no clue what problem he describes, but this is surely a wall of text ...
Assuming that this question is representative of your usual communication style, what is good and bad about it?
The main problem is one of focus. I mean, in inquiring about your communication style, you thought it necessary to include
- that most people in your audience are not very "technical"
- that most people in your audience don't know keyboard shortcuts,
- that word can auto-generate a table of contents,
- that you have seen people use slashes and commas incorrectly,
- that bold font should be used for emphasis rather than "air quotes"
- ...
How is that relevant to the way you write your emails? Moreover, I can assure you that people either know these things, or don't care.
How to write better
- focus on the matter at hand, don't allow your mind to start wandering (or edit out unrelated stuff before sending)
- only include stuff that is known to be relevant. Things that may be relevant belong in separate, clearly labeled sections / documents, so people can read them only when they need to
- be clear in what you write, and use the language of your audience. If necessary, extend this language by introducing new terms with clear, unambiguous definitions.
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I would also suggest rereading the email before sending. I try to remember to do that and often catch extraneous / poorly worded text that way.
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I read through your question, and said to myself: I have no clue what problem he describes, but this is surely a wall of text ...
Assuming that this question is representative of your usual communication style, what is good and bad about it?
The main problem is one of focus. I mean, in inquiring about your communication style, you thought it necessary to include
- that most people in your audience are not very "technical"
- that most people in your audience don't know keyboard shortcuts,
- that word can auto-generate a table of contents,
- that you have seen people use slashes and commas incorrectly,
- that bold font should be used for emphasis rather than "air quotes"
- ...
How is that relevant to the way you write your emails? Moreover, I can assure you that people either know these things, or don't care.
How to write better
- focus on the matter at hand, don't allow your mind to start wandering (or edit out unrelated stuff before sending)
- only include stuff that is known to be relevant. Things that may be relevant belong in separate, clearly labeled sections / documents, so people can read them only when they need to
- be clear in what you write, and use the language of your audience. If necessary, extend this language by introducing new terms with clear, unambiguous definitions.
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I would also suggest rereading the email before sending. I try to remember to do that and often catch extraneous / poorly worded text that way.
â DaveG
Sep 5 at 12:27
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I read through your question, and said to myself: I have no clue what problem he describes, but this is surely a wall of text ...
Assuming that this question is representative of your usual communication style, what is good and bad about it?
The main problem is one of focus. I mean, in inquiring about your communication style, you thought it necessary to include
- that most people in your audience are not very "technical"
- that most people in your audience don't know keyboard shortcuts,
- that word can auto-generate a table of contents,
- that you have seen people use slashes and commas incorrectly,
- that bold font should be used for emphasis rather than "air quotes"
- ...
How is that relevant to the way you write your emails? Moreover, I can assure you that people either know these things, or don't care.
How to write better
- focus on the matter at hand, don't allow your mind to start wandering (or edit out unrelated stuff before sending)
- only include stuff that is known to be relevant. Things that may be relevant belong in separate, clearly labeled sections / documents, so people can read them only when they need to
- be clear in what you write, and use the language of your audience. If necessary, extend this language by introducing new terms with clear, unambiguous definitions.
I read through your question, and said to myself: I have no clue what problem he describes, but this is surely a wall of text ...
Assuming that this question is representative of your usual communication style, what is good and bad about it?
The main problem is one of focus. I mean, in inquiring about your communication style, you thought it necessary to include
- that most people in your audience are not very "technical"
- that most people in your audience don't know keyboard shortcuts,
- that word can auto-generate a table of contents,
- that you have seen people use slashes and commas incorrectly,
- that bold font should be used for emphasis rather than "air quotes"
- ...
How is that relevant to the way you write your emails? Moreover, I can assure you that people either know these things, or don't care.
How to write better
- focus on the matter at hand, don't allow your mind to start wandering (or edit out unrelated stuff before sending)
- only include stuff that is known to be relevant. Things that may be relevant belong in separate, clearly labeled sections / documents, so people can read them only when they need to
- be clear in what you write, and use the language of your audience. If necessary, extend this language by introducing new terms with clear, unambiguous definitions.
answered Sep 3 at 19:21
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I would also suggest rereading the email before sending. I try to remember to do that and often catch extraneous / poorly worded text that way.
â DaveG
Sep 5 at 12:27
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I would also suggest rereading the email before sending. I try to remember to do that and often catch extraneous / poorly worded text that way.
â DaveG
Sep 5 at 12:27
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I would also suggest rereading the email before sending. I try to remember to do that and often catch extraneous / poorly worded text that way.
â DaveG
Sep 5 at 12:27
I would also suggest rereading the email before sending. I try to remember to do that and often catch extraneous / poorly worded text that way.
â DaveG
Sep 5 at 12:27
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You summarised your question excellently in the title, by the way.
I can relate. Even here I've written paragraphs upon paragraphs before being able to distil it into the essential message.
Find out more, manage their expectations, don't over-commit, and avoid going on tangents.
Here are examples of openers:
- I need more information to pin down the exact issue. What OS are you using? The steps required differ depending on that.
- What have you tried so far?
- This is rather complex. Are you sure you want to go down this route?
- You will need to do [summary], then [summary]. I can explain more if needed.
- You will need to do [summary], then [summary]. Be careful not to [summary] as that could wreck everything.
- When you have a moment please call me and I'll walk you through it.
- Here's a couple of links to articles. Let me know if you need anything else.
- I'm writing a how-to as a lot of people get caught up on this. Will update you when it's done.
As a last resort:
- When do you need this by? It's pretty involved and will require an in-depth response. Expect a long email.
Which title? My original, or JMC26's attempt to unclose the question?
â YetAnotherRandomUser
Sep 3 at 21:51
Both. I'm not referring to whatever restrictions this forum has on the exact wording of the title but the fact it conveyed the idea in about a dozen words
â matt_rule
Sep 3 at 22:13
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You summarised your question excellently in the title, by the way.
I can relate. Even here I've written paragraphs upon paragraphs before being able to distil it into the essential message.
Find out more, manage their expectations, don't over-commit, and avoid going on tangents.
Here are examples of openers:
- I need more information to pin down the exact issue. What OS are you using? The steps required differ depending on that.
- What have you tried so far?
- This is rather complex. Are you sure you want to go down this route?
- You will need to do [summary], then [summary]. I can explain more if needed.
- You will need to do [summary], then [summary]. Be careful not to [summary] as that could wreck everything.
- When you have a moment please call me and I'll walk you through it.
- Here's a couple of links to articles. Let me know if you need anything else.
- I'm writing a how-to as a lot of people get caught up on this. Will update you when it's done.
As a last resort:
- When do you need this by? It's pretty involved and will require an in-depth response. Expect a long email.
Which title? My original, or JMC26's attempt to unclose the question?
â YetAnotherRandomUser
Sep 3 at 21:51
Both. I'm not referring to whatever restrictions this forum has on the exact wording of the title but the fact it conveyed the idea in about a dozen words
â matt_rule
Sep 3 at 22:13
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up vote
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down vote
up vote
0
down vote
You summarised your question excellently in the title, by the way.
I can relate. Even here I've written paragraphs upon paragraphs before being able to distil it into the essential message.
Find out more, manage their expectations, don't over-commit, and avoid going on tangents.
Here are examples of openers:
- I need more information to pin down the exact issue. What OS are you using? The steps required differ depending on that.
- What have you tried so far?
- This is rather complex. Are you sure you want to go down this route?
- You will need to do [summary], then [summary]. I can explain more if needed.
- You will need to do [summary], then [summary]. Be careful not to [summary] as that could wreck everything.
- When you have a moment please call me and I'll walk you through it.
- Here's a couple of links to articles. Let me know if you need anything else.
- I'm writing a how-to as a lot of people get caught up on this. Will update you when it's done.
As a last resort:
- When do you need this by? It's pretty involved and will require an in-depth response. Expect a long email.
You summarised your question excellently in the title, by the way.
I can relate. Even here I've written paragraphs upon paragraphs before being able to distil it into the essential message.
Find out more, manage their expectations, don't over-commit, and avoid going on tangents.
Here are examples of openers:
- I need more information to pin down the exact issue. What OS are you using? The steps required differ depending on that.
- What have you tried so far?
- This is rather complex. Are you sure you want to go down this route?
- You will need to do [summary], then [summary]. I can explain more if needed.
- You will need to do [summary], then [summary]. Be careful not to [summary] as that could wreck everything.
- When you have a moment please call me and I'll walk you through it.
- Here's a couple of links to articles. Let me know if you need anything else.
- I'm writing a how-to as a lot of people get caught up on this. Will update you when it's done.
As a last resort:
- When do you need this by? It's pretty involved and will require an in-depth response. Expect a long email.
answered Sep 3 at 19:49
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Which title? My original, or JMC26's attempt to unclose the question?
â YetAnotherRandomUser
Sep 3 at 21:51
Both. I'm not referring to whatever restrictions this forum has on the exact wording of the title but the fact it conveyed the idea in about a dozen words
â matt_rule
Sep 3 at 22:13
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Which title? My original, or JMC26's attempt to unclose the question?
â YetAnotherRandomUser
Sep 3 at 21:51
Both. I'm not referring to whatever restrictions this forum has on the exact wording of the title but the fact it conveyed the idea in about a dozen words
â matt_rule
Sep 3 at 22:13
Which title? My original, or JMC26's attempt to unclose the question?
â YetAnotherRandomUser
Sep 3 at 21:51
Which title? My original, or JMC26's attempt to unclose the question?
â YetAnotherRandomUser
Sep 3 at 21:51
Both. I'm not referring to whatever restrictions this forum has on the exact wording of the title but the fact it conveyed the idea in about a dozen words
â matt_rule
Sep 3 at 22:13
Both. I'm not referring to whatever restrictions this forum has on the exact wording of the title but the fact it conveyed the idea in about a dozen words
â matt_rule
Sep 3 at 22:13
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You managed to write a 667 word essay about an issue you had already summarized concisely in the first paragraph with 74 words. That is almost a 10 fold increase. After the first paragraph, the rest of the information in your question does not substantially change anything or add new information. That is the core of your problem.
â Polygnome
Sep 3 at 14:37
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Oh yes they do. Your first paragraph pretty much describes your whole situation. and for technical people, its even better. I'm a software dev. I write technical all the time. If you want to, you can cram a lot of information into a few words if you use the proper lingo. And leave it at that. If there is a problem, clarify when needed.
â Polygnome
Sep 3 at 14:49
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I've read a lot of "technical documentation" written by software devs on Stack Overflow, javadocs, C# docs, and all of Microsoft's websites. Totally worthless; it only explains that which is immediately obvious. It's so prevalent, I think it's a school of thought. If it's worthless to me, it would obviously come across as arrogant and condescending (and worthless) to any audience I might have.
â YetAnotherRandomUser
Sep 3 at 14:53
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A good example of where you are far too wordy is your second to last paragraph about misuse of punctuation. Think of it this way: if you left that out of your question, would it impact the understanding of what you are asking? By including irrelevant information you've made your post less readable.
â DaveG
Sep 3 at 18:37
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@YetAnotherRandomUser You've been told your emails are too long, but you also seem to be convinced that shortening them would do more harm than good. You seem to be looking for a solution that doesn't exist; I'm not sure we can help.
â NotThatGuy
Sep 3 at 20:11