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Basic premise of this question is what are usual requirements for entering Ireland through Airport Immigration - and does this change based on where you departed from?
Basically - I'm a citizen and resident of Ireland - I was travelling back to Ireland last week from the United States and as I was going through Immigration check in Dublin Airport I presented my Passport Card.
This card, in general - I've used multiple times for travel between Ireland and the EU without any sort of problems - and it's far easier for me to access in my wallet than to dig out my physical passport book out of my backpack.
However, when I was going through Immigration in Dublin Airport on arrival from the US, I presented the passport card and was then asked where I was coming from.
When I replied that I had departed from the United States the immigration officer requested my actual physical passport.
I didn't really mind - nor did I want to argue the point - so I produced my passport from my backpack.
However it got me thinking and my question I guess -
- For what reason would Irish Immigration need to see my Passport to enter the country of my citizenship - provable via the Passport Card.
- What would have happened if I refused or lost my actual passport?
- As a citizen of the country, am I obliged to tell the immigration official where I was arriving from?
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Basic premise of this question is what are usual requirements for entering Ireland through Airport Immigration - and does this change based on where you departed from?
Basically - I'm a citizen and resident of Ireland - I was travelling back to Ireland last week from the United States and as I was going through Immigration check in Dublin Airport I presented my Passport Card.
This card, in general - I've used multiple times for travel between Ireland and the EU without any sort of problems - and it's far easier for me to access in my wallet than to dig out my physical passport book out of my backpack.
However, when I was going through Immigration in Dublin Airport on arrival from the US, I presented the passport card and was then asked where I was coming from.
When I replied that I had departed from the United States the immigration officer requested my actual physical passport.
I didn't really mind - nor did I want to argue the point - so I produced my passport from my backpack.
However it got me thinking and my question I guess -
- For what reason would Irish Immigration need to see my Passport to enter the country of my citizenship - provable via the Passport Card.
- What would have happened if I refused or lost my actual passport?
- As a citizen of the country, am I obliged to tell the immigration official where I was arriving from?
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I edited your question to restrict it to Ireland. Different countries will surely have different requirements and nobody will be able to write a comprehensive answer to the general question.
– David Richerby
21 hours ago
To proof the point of difference between different countries, I almost always enter the Netherlands with my ID card when I see an officer and I have never been asked for my passport.
– Willeke♦
21 hours ago
Some (possibly unrelated) comment - 1) Perhaps a spot check to ensure the passport card is not a fake one, as passport card is tied to the passport book according to this page? 2) Since the immigration official was told you are travelling from outside EEA, they must have inferred that you are likely to have your passport with you? I am not sure what happen if you refuse or lost your passport en route.
– B.Liu
20 hours ago
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Another possibly-related data point: the US passport card can only be used at land borders and seaports from Caribbean locations. It cannot be used for air travel, for or ocean travel from other locations (e.g., Europe); a passport book must be used. So in this case, where you're arriving from does matter.
– Mike Harris
20 hours ago
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@JonathanReez "unless there's a penalty for violating that rule, it is pretty much impossible to enforce": sure. I suppose that this incident would have ended without too much fuss had the traveler said "I don't have it." But I don't know that's the case, and the possibility that there is a penalty is not entirely farfetched.
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Basic premise of this question is what are usual requirements for entering Ireland through Airport Immigration - and does this change based on where you departed from?
Basically - I'm a citizen and resident of Ireland - I was travelling back to Ireland last week from the United States and as I was going through Immigration check in Dublin Airport I presented my Passport Card.
This card, in general - I've used multiple times for travel between Ireland and the EU without any sort of problems - and it's far easier for me to access in my wallet than to dig out my physical passport book out of my backpack.
However, when I was going through Immigration in Dublin Airport on arrival from the US, I presented the passport card and was then asked where I was coming from.
When I replied that I had departed from the United States the immigration officer requested my actual physical passport.
I didn't really mind - nor did I want to argue the point - so I produced my passport from my backpack.
However it got me thinking and my question I guess -
- For what reason would Irish Immigration need to see my Passport to enter the country of my citizenship - provable via the Passport Card.
- What would have happened if I refused or lost my actual passport?
- As a citizen of the country, am I obliged to tell the immigration official where I was arriving from?
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Basic premise of this question is what are usual requirements for entering Ireland through Airport Immigration - and does this change based on where you departed from?
Basically - I'm a citizen and resident of Ireland - I was travelling back to Ireland last week from the United States and as I was going through Immigration check in Dublin Airport I presented my Passport Card.
This card, in general - I've used multiple times for travel between Ireland and the EU without any sort of problems - and it's far easier for me to access in my wallet than to dig out my physical passport book out of my backpack.
However, when I was going through Immigration in Dublin Airport on arrival from the US, I presented the passport card and was then asked where I was coming from.
When I replied that I had departed from the United States the immigration officer requested my actual physical passport.
I didn't really mind - nor did I want to argue the point - so I produced my passport from my backpack.
However it got me thinking and my question I guess -
- For what reason would Irish Immigration need to see my Passport to enter the country of my citizenship - provable via the Passport Card.
- What would have happened if I refused or lost my actual passport?
- As a citizen of the country, am I obliged to tell the immigration official where I was arriving from?
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I edited your question to restrict it to Ireland. Different countries will surely have different requirements and nobody will be able to write a comprehensive answer to the general question.
– David Richerby
21 hours ago
To proof the point of difference between different countries, I almost always enter the Netherlands with my ID card when I see an officer and I have never been asked for my passport.
– Willeke♦
21 hours ago
Some (possibly unrelated) comment - 1) Perhaps a spot check to ensure the passport card is not a fake one, as passport card is tied to the passport book according to this page? 2) Since the immigration official was told you are travelling from outside EEA, they must have inferred that you are likely to have your passport with you? I am not sure what happen if you refuse or lost your passport en route.
– B.Liu
20 hours ago
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Another possibly-related data point: the US passport card can only be used at land borders and seaports from Caribbean locations. It cannot be used for air travel, for or ocean travel from other locations (e.g., Europe); a passport book must be used. So in this case, where you're arriving from does matter.
– Mike Harris
20 hours ago
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@JonathanReez "unless there's a penalty for violating that rule, it is pretty much impossible to enforce": sure. I suppose that this incident would have ended without too much fuss had the traveler said "I don't have it." But I don't know that's the case, and the possibility that there is a penalty is not entirely farfetched.
– phoog
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I edited your question to restrict it to Ireland. Different countries will surely have different requirements and nobody will be able to write a comprehensive answer to the general question.
– David Richerby
21 hours ago
To proof the point of difference between different countries, I almost always enter the Netherlands with my ID card when I see an officer and I have never been asked for my passport.
– Willeke♦
21 hours ago
Some (possibly unrelated) comment - 1) Perhaps a spot check to ensure the passport card is not a fake one, as passport card is tied to the passport book according to this page? 2) Since the immigration official was told you are travelling from outside EEA, they must have inferred that you are likely to have your passport with you? I am not sure what happen if you refuse or lost your passport en route.
– B.Liu
20 hours ago
1
Another possibly-related data point: the US passport card can only be used at land borders and seaports from Caribbean locations. It cannot be used for air travel, for or ocean travel from other locations (e.g., Europe); a passport book must be used. So in this case, where you're arriving from does matter.
– Mike Harris
20 hours ago
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@JonathanReez "unless there's a penalty for violating that rule, it is pretty much impossible to enforce": sure. I suppose that this incident would have ended without too much fuss had the traveler said "I don't have it." But I don't know that's the case, and the possibility that there is a penalty is not entirely farfetched.
– phoog
19 hours ago
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I edited your question to restrict it to Ireland. Different countries will surely have different requirements and nobody will be able to write a comprehensive answer to the general question.
– David Richerby
21 hours ago
I edited your question to restrict it to Ireland. Different countries will surely have different requirements and nobody will be able to write a comprehensive answer to the general question.
– David Richerby
21 hours ago
To proof the point of difference between different countries, I almost always enter the Netherlands with my ID card when I see an officer and I have never been asked for my passport.
– Willeke♦
21 hours ago
To proof the point of difference between different countries, I almost always enter the Netherlands with my ID card when I see an officer and I have never been asked for my passport.
– Willeke♦
21 hours ago
Some (possibly unrelated) comment - 1) Perhaps a spot check to ensure the passport card is not a fake one, as passport card is tied to the passport book according to this page? 2) Since the immigration official was told you are travelling from outside EEA, they must have inferred that you are likely to have your passport with you? I am not sure what happen if you refuse or lost your passport en route.
– B.Liu
20 hours ago
Some (possibly unrelated) comment - 1) Perhaps a spot check to ensure the passport card is not a fake one, as passport card is tied to the passport book according to this page? 2) Since the immigration official was told you are travelling from outside EEA, they must have inferred that you are likely to have your passport with you? I am not sure what happen if you refuse or lost your passport en route.
– B.Liu
20 hours ago
1
1
Another possibly-related data point: the US passport card can only be used at land borders and seaports from Caribbean locations. It cannot be used for air travel, for or ocean travel from other locations (e.g., Europe); a passport book must be used. So in this case, where you're arriving from does matter.
– Mike Harris
20 hours ago
Another possibly-related data point: the US passport card can only be used at land borders and seaports from Caribbean locations. It cannot be used for air travel, for or ocean travel from other locations (e.g., Europe); a passport book must be used. So in this case, where you're arriving from does matter.
– Mike Harris
20 hours ago
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@JonathanReez "unless there's a penalty for violating that rule, it is pretty much impossible to enforce": sure. I suppose that this incident would have ended without too much fuss had the traveler said "I don't have it." But I don't know that's the case, and the possibility that there is a penalty is not entirely farfetched.
– phoog
19 hours ago
@JonathanReez "unless there's a penalty for violating that rule, it is pretty much impossible to enforce": sure. I suppose that this incident would have ended without too much fuss had the traveler said "I don't have it." But I don't know that's the case, and the possibility that there is a penalty is not entirely farfetched.
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As an Irish citizen, you have the absolute right to enter Ireland. The immigration officer cannot possibly deny you entry, as long as you produce a document that shows you're in fact an Irish citizen - and the passport card clearly shows that. Therefore you have the absolute right to only produce your passport card and refuse to provide any other document. It might delay your border crossing though, so personally I'd just show my passport if I actually had one with me.
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The Passport Card is valid only for travel WITHIN the EU/EEA/CH.
I've had this same issue. Was returning to Dublin on a flight from Moscow. Was asked where I was coming from (which was fairly obvious as there was only one flight coming in at that time).
I'm a Canadian dual-citizen, so it would be handy to travel to there or the US on my Canadian passport and return to Ireland with the card that lives in my wallet. Pain in the backside, and I don't really understand the point of it, but that's the way she goes.
EDIT: Here is the link to the DFA page stating the same: https://www.dfa.ie/passportcard/
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EU freedom of movement, however, arguably does not apply to an Irish citizen entering Ireland from a non-EU territory. The terms of your admission would be governed by Irish law, not EU law. But under Irish law, really any evidence of nationality should be accepted, as noted by JonathanReez, especially, because it is a secure document, the passport card.
– phoog
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@Richard Well, is there any penalty for only carrying the passport card? Like I said, any airline should board you given the TIMATIC info. In Addition, Swedish law also states the national ID is only valid in the EU/Schengen (pre-2015, Schengen only) which does mean you won't be allowed (by Swedish border police) to exit Sweden directly to e.g. Serbia. Nonetheless, you can never be refused entry or penalised when arriving in Sweden from outside the EU/Schengen (ie the other direction) and all countries accepting the Swedish ID care nothing about this retarded Swedish legislation
– Coke
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@Richard Enforced how, other than possibly being scolded? That's the whole point, they can't, and neither won't the airline, because their info says the passport card can be used to enter from anywhere
– Coke
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@Richard I'm telling you it is against international law to refuse entry to your own citizen. The border agent can say whatever they want, you can never be refused entry and sent away from your own country. Thinking about it, I once dealt with a similar retard of an officer at ARN, who was bamboozled that I'd flown KIV-KBP-ARN with my Swedish ID, and took 45 seconds to send me on
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@Richard I know the rhetoric "the ID's only valid in the EU/Schengen; you really need a passport to travel outside", bla bla bla. None of that matters; because again you're a citizen of that country and so it is your property, and your right to enter it. They can talk rubbish and be morons about it, but that's the end of it
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The officer you dealt with was wrong, and based on the answers and comments, this is depressingly common. It's also happened to me (I'm on a Swedish national ID card) when departing Zurich airport for Moscow (in transit to Tbilisi): I said out loud to the border police (well, in German) "why do you even care? I can exit Switzerland after all", whereby she said they'd be in trouble if I was refused entry to Russia. I then said "well how can I be refused entry without trying to gain it to begin with?" and that it's the Airline that's responsible, not Swiss police. She then got so irritated at me that she simply sent me on.
An Irish passport card proves your Irish citizenship, so you have the absolute right to enter from anywhere using it alone, and you're not required to even bring your passport book.
•What would have happened if I refused or lost my actual passport?
Nothing should happen, but clearly a lot of INIS agents are ignorant and may be bamboozled at it and possibly leave you standing there for a minute or two, but nothing else.
•As a citizen of the country, am I obliged to tell the immigration official where I was arriving from?
No you're not
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With regard to the last question and answer, that will surely vary by national law and the circumstances. It also depends on the meaning of "obliged": in the US, for example, a person who refuses to say where they are coming from could be violating customs reporting requirements, and, if the person is under suspicion of criminal activity where the point of departure is material to the investigation, could increase the probability of being arrested.
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@phoog We're talking about Irish immigration, which has nothing to do with customs, unlike in the US
– Coke
18 hours ago
I read that as a statement about countries generally; perhaps I should not have.
– phoog
17 hours ago
@phoog The question was originally about countries in general. I edited to restrict the scope to Ireland but I left references to "the country" as I thought the context was now enough to imply that this meant Ireland. If you think my edit might've been ambiguous, do go ahead and improve it.
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Irish citizens are entitled to enter Ireland, regardless of the document they use
However, you are required to use the passport card number when checking in online if you intend to use it (at which point the airline can refuse to carry you if your flight originates outside of the EU).
If anything, this makes sense for logistical reasons:
- Airlines have to register their passenger manifest with the country they are travelling to (including the document numbers of the passengers on the flight)
- From a security standpoint, if a person arrives at immigration,without a travel document that matches a document from a registered passenger manifest, a security failure/breach may have occurred (either in an Irish Airport, or the originating airport).
- This would need to be rectified. The only way to understand if this has occurred is to ask for the document you actually traveled on (in this case your passport book)
Additionally, your passport isn't actually your property, it's the property of the Minister for Foreign Affairs. As such they can request to see it, if only to ensure that you haven't misplaced it on your travels.
There is no requirement that entry to Ireland be given without any delay upon proof of Irish citizenship. They can't refuse your entry (as an Irish Citizen), but they can certainly delay it if they have a reasonable justification. For example:
- you may need to be quarantined if you arrived from a country with an active pandemic outbreak to ensure public safety
- you may be the subject of an arrest warrant
- you may be the subject of extradition proceedings
- ensuring there hasn't been a security breach in the air travel system
What would have happened if I refused or lost my actual passport?
If you lost your actual passport you can tell them that, and you will likely need to make a statement to the Gardai about the last passport while you are still in the airport (lost passports are at risk of being forged and used to facilitate illegal entry into the country).
If you refused then they are able to escalate it to the Gardai, and a Garda can demand to see your passport (failing to comply with Garda orders is an arrest-able offence under the Criminal justice (Public Order) Act).
Are they allowed ask where I have traveled from?
Of course. There are different customs requirements and regulations depending on your point of origin.
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As an Irish citizen, you have the absolute right to enter Ireland. The immigration officer cannot possibly deny you entry, as long as you produce a document that shows you're in fact an Irish citizen - and the passport card clearly shows that. Therefore you have the absolute right to only produce your passport card and refuse to provide any other document. It might delay your border crossing though, so personally I'd just show my passport if I actually had one with me.
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As an Irish citizen, you have the absolute right to enter Ireland. The immigration officer cannot possibly deny you entry, as long as you produce a document that shows you're in fact an Irish citizen - and the passport card clearly shows that. Therefore you have the absolute right to only produce your passport card and refuse to provide any other document. It might delay your border crossing though, so personally I'd just show my passport if I actually had one with me.
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As an Irish citizen, you have the absolute right to enter Ireland. The immigration officer cannot possibly deny you entry, as long as you produce a document that shows you're in fact an Irish citizen - and the passport card clearly shows that. Therefore you have the absolute right to only produce your passport card and refuse to provide any other document. It might delay your border crossing though, so personally I'd just show my passport if I actually had one with me.
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As an Irish citizen, you have the absolute right to enter Ireland. The immigration officer cannot possibly deny you entry, as long as you produce a document that shows you're in fact an Irish citizen - and the passport card clearly shows that. Therefore you have the absolute right to only produce your passport card and refuse to provide any other document. It might delay your border crossing though, so personally I'd just show my passport if I actually had one with me.
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The Passport Card is valid only for travel WITHIN the EU/EEA/CH.
I've had this same issue. Was returning to Dublin on a flight from Moscow. Was asked where I was coming from (which was fairly obvious as there was only one flight coming in at that time).
I'm a Canadian dual-citizen, so it would be handy to travel to there or the US on my Canadian passport and return to Ireland with the card that lives in my wallet. Pain in the backside, and I don't really understand the point of it, but that's the way she goes.
EDIT: Here is the link to the DFA page stating the same: https://www.dfa.ie/passportcard/
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EU freedom of movement, however, arguably does not apply to an Irish citizen entering Ireland from a non-EU territory. The terms of your admission would be governed by Irish law, not EU law. But under Irish law, really any evidence of nationality should be accepted, as noted by JonathanReez, especially, because it is a secure document, the passport card.
– phoog
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@Richard Well, is there any penalty for only carrying the passport card? Like I said, any airline should board you given the TIMATIC info. In Addition, Swedish law also states the national ID is only valid in the EU/Schengen (pre-2015, Schengen only) which does mean you won't be allowed (by Swedish border police) to exit Sweden directly to e.g. Serbia. Nonetheless, you can never be refused entry or penalised when arriving in Sweden from outside the EU/Schengen (ie the other direction) and all countries accepting the Swedish ID care nothing about this retarded Swedish legislation
– Coke
18 hours ago
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@Richard Enforced how, other than possibly being scolded? That's the whole point, they can't, and neither won't the airline, because their info says the passport card can be used to enter from anywhere
– Coke
18 hours ago
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@Richard I'm telling you it is against international law to refuse entry to your own citizen. The border agent can say whatever they want, you can never be refused entry and sent away from your own country. Thinking about it, I once dealt with a similar retard of an officer at ARN, who was bamboozled that I'd flown KIV-KBP-ARN with my Swedish ID, and took 45 seconds to send me on
– Coke
18 hours ago
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@Richard I know the rhetoric "the ID's only valid in the EU/Schengen; you really need a passport to travel outside", bla bla bla. None of that matters; because again you're a citizen of that country and so it is your property, and your right to enter it. They can talk rubbish and be morons about it, but that's the end of it
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The Passport Card is valid only for travel WITHIN the EU/EEA/CH.
I've had this same issue. Was returning to Dublin on a flight from Moscow. Was asked where I was coming from (which was fairly obvious as there was only one flight coming in at that time).
I'm a Canadian dual-citizen, so it would be handy to travel to there or the US on my Canadian passport and return to Ireland with the card that lives in my wallet. Pain in the backside, and I don't really understand the point of it, but that's the way she goes.
EDIT: Here is the link to the DFA page stating the same: https://www.dfa.ie/passportcard/
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EU freedom of movement, however, arguably does not apply to an Irish citizen entering Ireland from a non-EU territory. The terms of your admission would be governed by Irish law, not EU law. But under Irish law, really any evidence of nationality should be accepted, as noted by JonathanReez, especially, because it is a secure document, the passport card.
– phoog
19 hours ago
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@Richard Well, is there any penalty for only carrying the passport card? Like I said, any airline should board you given the TIMATIC info. In Addition, Swedish law also states the national ID is only valid in the EU/Schengen (pre-2015, Schengen only) which does mean you won't be allowed (by Swedish border police) to exit Sweden directly to e.g. Serbia. Nonetheless, you can never be refused entry or penalised when arriving in Sweden from outside the EU/Schengen (ie the other direction) and all countries accepting the Swedish ID care nothing about this retarded Swedish legislation
– Coke
18 hours ago
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@Richard Enforced how, other than possibly being scolded? That's the whole point, they can't, and neither won't the airline, because their info says the passport card can be used to enter from anywhere
– Coke
18 hours ago
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@Richard I'm telling you it is against international law to refuse entry to your own citizen. The border agent can say whatever they want, you can never be refused entry and sent away from your own country. Thinking about it, I once dealt with a similar retard of an officer at ARN, who was bamboozled that I'd flown KIV-KBP-ARN with my Swedish ID, and took 45 seconds to send me on
– Coke
18 hours ago
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@Richard I know the rhetoric "the ID's only valid in the EU/Schengen; you really need a passport to travel outside", bla bla bla. None of that matters; because again you're a citizen of that country and so it is your property, and your right to enter it. They can talk rubbish and be morons about it, but that's the end of it
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The Passport Card is valid only for travel WITHIN the EU/EEA/CH.
I've had this same issue. Was returning to Dublin on a flight from Moscow. Was asked where I was coming from (which was fairly obvious as there was only one flight coming in at that time).
I'm a Canadian dual-citizen, so it would be handy to travel to there or the US on my Canadian passport and return to Ireland with the card that lives in my wallet. Pain in the backside, and I don't really understand the point of it, but that's the way she goes.
EDIT: Here is the link to the DFA page stating the same: https://www.dfa.ie/passportcard/
answered 19 hours ago
Richard
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The Passport Card is valid only for travel WITHIN the EU/EEA/CH.
I've had this same issue. Was returning to Dublin on a flight from Moscow. Was asked where I was coming from (which was fairly obvious as there was only one flight coming in at that time).
I'm a Canadian dual-citizen, so it would be handy to travel to there or the US on my Canadian passport and return to Ireland with the card that lives in my wallet. Pain in the backside, and I don't really understand the point of it, but that's the way she goes.
EDIT: Here is the link to the DFA page stating the same: https://www.dfa.ie/passportcard/
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EU freedom of movement, however, arguably does not apply to an Irish citizen entering Ireland from a non-EU territory. The terms of your admission would be governed by Irish law, not EU law. But under Irish law, really any evidence of nationality should be accepted, as noted by JonathanReez, especially, because it is a secure document, the passport card.
– phoog
19 hours ago
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@Richard Well, is there any penalty for only carrying the passport card? Like I said, any airline should board you given the TIMATIC info. In Addition, Swedish law also states the national ID is only valid in the EU/Schengen (pre-2015, Schengen only) which does mean you won't be allowed (by Swedish border police) to exit Sweden directly to e.g. Serbia. Nonetheless, you can never be refused entry or penalised when arriving in Sweden from outside the EU/Schengen (ie the other direction) and all countries accepting the Swedish ID care nothing about this retarded Swedish legislation
– Coke
18 hours ago
1
@Richard Enforced how, other than possibly being scolded? That's the whole point, they can't, and neither won't the airline, because their info says the passport card can be used to enter from anywhere
– Coke
18 hours ago
1
@Richard I'm telling you it is against international law to refuse entry to your own citizen. The border agent can say whatever they want, you can never be refused entry and sent away from your own country. Thinking about it, I once dealt with a similar retard of an officer at ARN, who was bamboozled that I'd flown KIV-KBP-ARN with my Swedish ID, and took 45 seconds to send me on
– Coke
18 hours ago
1
@Richard I know the rhetoric "the ID's only valid in the EU/Schengen; you really need a passport to travel outside", bla bla bla. None of that matters; because again you're a citizen of that country and so it is your property, and your right to enter it. They can talk rubbish and be morons about it, but that's the end of it
– Coke
18 hours ago
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EU freedom of movement, however, arguably does not apply to an Irish citizen entering Ireland from a non-EU territory. The terms of your admission would be governed by Irish law, not EU law. But under Irish law, really any evidence of nationality should be accepted, as noted by JonathanReez, especially, because it is a secure document, the passport card.
– phoog
19 hours ago
1
@Richard Well, is there any penalty for only carrying the passport card? Like I said, any airline should board you given the TIMATIC info. In Addition, Swedish law also states the national ID is only valid in the EU/Schengen (pre-2015, Schengen only) which does mean you won't be allowed (by Swedish border police) to exit Sweden directly to e.g. Serbia. Nonetheless, you can never be refused entry or penalised when arriving in Sweden from outside the EU/Schengen (ie the other direction) and all countries accepting the Swedish ID care nothing about this retarded Swedish legislation
– Coke
18 hours ago
1
@Richard Enforced how, other than possibly being scolded? That's the whole point, they can't, and neither won't the airline, because their info says the passport card can be used to enter from anywhere
– Coke
18 hours ago
1
@Richard I'm telling you it is against international law to refuse entry to your own citizen. The border agent can say whatever they want, you can never be refused entry and sent away from your own country. Thinking about it, I once dealt with a similar retard of an officer at ARN, who was bamboozled that I'd flown KIV-KBP-ARN with my Swedish ID, and took 45 seconds to send me on
– Coke
18 hours ago
1
@Richard I know the rhetoric "the ID's only valid in the EU/Schengen; you really need a passport to travel outside", bla bla bla. None of that matters; because again you're a citizen of that country and so it is your property, and your right to enter it. They can talk rubbish and be morons about it, but that's the end of it
– Coke
18 hours ago
2
2
EU freedom of movement, however, arguably does not apply to an Irish citizen entering Ireland from a non-EU territory. The terms of your admission would be governed by Irish law, not EU law. But under Irish law, really any evidence of nationality should be accepted, as noted by JonathanReez, especially, because it is a secure document, the passport card.
– phoog
19 hours ago
EU freedom of movement, however, arguably does not apply to an Irish citizen entering Ireland from a non-EU territory. The terms of your admission would be governed by Irish law, not EU law. But under Irish law, really any evidence of nationality should be accepted, as noted by JonathanReez, especially, because it is a secure document, the passport card.
– phoog
19 hours ago
1
1
@Richard Well, is there any penalty for only carrying the passport card? Like I said, any airline should board you given the TIMATIC info. In Addition, Swedish law also states the national ID is only valid in the EU/Schengen (pre-2015, Schengen only) which does mean you won't be allowed (by Swedish border police) to exit Sweden directly to e.g. Serbia. Nonetheless, you can never be refused entry or penalised when arriving in Sweden from outside the EU/Schengen (ie the other direction) and all countries accepting the Swedish ID care nothing about this retarded Swedish legislation
– Coke
18 hours ago
@Richard Well, is there any penalty for only carrying the passport card? Like I said, any airline should board you given the TIMATIC info. In Addition, Swedish law also states the national ID is only valid in the EU/Schengen (pre-2015, Schengen only) which does mean you won't be allowed (by Swedish border police) to exit Sweden directly to e.g. Serbia. Nonetheless, you can never be refused entry or penalised when arriving in Sweden from outside the EU/Schengen (ie the other direction) and all countries accepting the Swedish ID care nothing about this retarded Swedish legislation
– Coke
18 hours ago
1
1
@Richard Enforced how, other than possibly being scolded? That's the whole point, they can't, and neither won't the airline, because their info says the passport card can be used to enter from anywhere
– Coke
18 hours ago
@Richard Enforced how, other than possibly being scolded? That's the whole point, they can't, and neither won't the airline, because their info says the passport card can be used to enter from anywhere
– Coke
18 hours ago
1
1
@Richard I'm telling you it is against international law to refuse entry to your own citizen. The border agent can say whatever they want, you can never be refused entry and sent away from your own country. Thinking about it, I once dealt with a similar retard of an officer at ARN, who was bamboozled that I'd flown KIV-KBP-ARN with my Swedish ID, and took 45 seconds to send me on
– Coke
18 hours ago
@Richard I'm telling you it is against international law to refuse entry to your own citizen. The border agent can say whatever they want, you can never be refused entry and sent away from your own country. Thinking about it, I once dealt with a similar retard of an officer at ARN, who was bamboozled that I'd flown KIV-KBP-ARN with my Swedish ID, and took 45 seconds to send me on
– Coke
18 hours ago
1
1
@Richard I know the rhetoric "the ID's only valid in the EU/Schengen; you really need a passport to travel outside", bla bla bla. None of that matters; because again you're a citizen of that country and so it is your property, and your right to enter it. They can talk rubbish and be morons about it, but that's the end of it
– Coke
18 hours ago
@Richard I know the rhetoric "the ID's only valid in the EU/Schengen; you really need a passport to travel outside", bla bla bla. None of that matters; because again you're a citizen of that country and so it is your property, and your right to enter it. They can talk rubbish and be morons about it, but that's the end of it
– Coke
18 hours ago
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The officer you dealt with was wrong, and based on the answers and comments, this is depressingly common. It's also happened to me (I'm on a Swedish national ID card) when departing Zurich airport for Moscow (in transit to Tbilisi): I said out loud to the border police (well, in German) "why do you even care? I can exit Switzerland after all", whereby she said they'd be in trouble if I was refused entry to Russia. I then said "well how can I be refused entry without trying to gain it to begin with?" and that it's the Airline that's responsible, not Swiss police. She then got so irritated at me that she simply sent me on.
An Irish passport card proves your Irish citizenship, so you have the absolute right to enter from anywhere using it alone, and you're not required to even bring your passport book.
•What would have happened if I refused or lost my actual passport?
Nothing should happen, but clearly a lot of INIS agents are ignorant and may be bamboozled at it and possibly leave you standing there for a minute or two, but nothing else.
•As a citizen of the country, am I obliged to tell the immigration official where I was arriving from?
No you're not
answered 19 hours ago
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With regard to the last question and answer, that will surely vary by national law and the circumstances. It also depends on the meaning of "obliged": in the US, for example, a person who refuses to say where they are coming from could be violating customs reporting requirements, and, if the person is under suspicion of criminal activity where the point of departure is material to the investigation, could increase the probability of being arrested.
– phoog
18 hours ago
1
@phoog We're talking about Irish immigration, which has nothing to do with customs, unlike in the US
– Coke
18 hours ago
I read that as a statement about countries generally; perhaps I should not have.
– phoog
17 hours ago
@phoog The question was originally about countries in general. I edited to restrict the scope to Ireland but I left references to "the country" as I thought the context was now enough to imply that this meant Ireland. If you think my edit might've been ambiguous, do go ahead and improve it.
– David Richerby
16 hours ago
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The officer you dealt with was wrong, and based on the answers and comments, this is depressingly common. It's also happened to me (I'm on a Swedish national ID card) when departing Zurich airport for Moscow (in transit to Tbilisi): I said out loud to the border police (well, in German) "why do you even care? I can exit Switzerland after all", whereby she said they'd be in trouble if I was refused entry to Russia. I then said "well how can I be refused entry without trying to gain it to begin with?" and that it's the Airline that's responsible, not Swiss police. She then got so irritated at me that she simply sent me on.
An Irish passport card proves your Irish citizenship, so you have the absolute right to enter from anywhere using it alone, and you're not required to even bring your passport book.
•What would have happened if I refused or lost my actual passport?
Nothing should happen, but clearly a lot of INIS agents are ignorant and may be bamboozled at it and possibly leave you standing there for a minute or two, but nothing else.
•As a citizen of the country, am I obliged to tell the immigration official where I was arriving from?
No you're not
answered 19 hours ago
Coke
48.9k889216
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With regard to the last question and answer, that will surely vary by national law and the circumstances. It also depends on the meaning of "obliged": in the US, for example, a person who refuses to say where they are coming from could be violating customs reporting requirements, and, if the person is under suspicion of criminal activity where the point of departure is material to the investigation, could increase the probability of being arrested.
– phoog
18 hours ago
1
@phoog We're talking about Irish immigration, which has nothing to do with customs, unlike in the US
– Coke
18 hours ago
I read that as a statement about countries generally; perhaps I should not have.
– phoog
17 hours ago
@phoog The question was originally about countries in general. I edited to restrict the scope to Ireland but I left references to "the country" as I thought the context was now enough to imply that this meant Ireland. If you think my edit might've been ambiguous, do go ahead and improve it.
– David Richerby
16 hours ago
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up vote
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up vote
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down vote
The officer you dealt with was wrong, and based on the answers and comments, this is depressingly common. It's also happened to me (I'm on a Swedish national ID card) when departing Zurich airport for Moscow (in transit to Tbilisi): I said out loud to the border police (well, in German) "why do you even care? I can exit Switzerland after all", whereby she said they'd be in trouble if I was refused entry to Russia. I then said "well how can I be refused entry without trying to gain it to begin with?" and that it's the Airline that's responsible, not Swiss police. She then got so irritated at me that she simply sent me on.
An Irish passport card proves your Irish citizenship, so you have the absolute right to enter from anywhere using it alone, and you're not required to even bring your passport book.
•What would have happened if I refused or lost my actual passport?
Nothing should happen, but clearly a lot of INIS agents are ignorant and may be bamboozled at it and possibly leave you standing there for a minute or two, but nothing else.
•As a citizen of the country, am I obliged to tell the immigration official where I was arriving from?
No you're not
answered 19 hours ago
Coke
48.9k889216
The officer you dealt with was wrong, and based on the answers and comments, this is depressingly common. It's also happened to me (I'm on a Swedish national ID card) when departing Zurich airport for Moscow (in transit to Tbilisi): I said out loud to the border police (well, in German) "why do you even care? I can exit Switzerland after all", whereby she said they'd be in trouble if I was refused entry to Russia. I then said "well how can I be refused entry without trying to gain it to begin with?" and that it's the Airline that's responsible, not Swiss police. She then got so irritated at me that she simply sent me on.
An Irish passport card proves your Irish citizenship, so you have the absolute right to enter from anywhere using it alone, and you're not required to even bring your passport book.
•What would have happened if I refused or lost my actual passport?
Nothing should happen, but clearly a lot of INIS agents are ignorant and may be bamboozled at it and possibly leave you standing there for a minute or two, but nothing else.
•As a citizen of the country, am I obliged to tell the immigration official where I was arriving from?
No you're not
answered 19 hours ago
Coke
48.9k889216
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answered 19 hours ago
Coke
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answered 19 hours ago
Coke
48.9k889216
answered 19 hours ago
Coke
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With regard to the last question and answer, that will surely vary by national law and the circumstances. It also depends on the meaning of "obliged": in the US, for example, a person who refuses to say where they are coming from could be violating customs reporting requirements, and, if the person is under suspicion of criminal activity where the point of departure is material to the investigation, could increase the probability of being arrested.
– phoog
18 hours ago
1
@phoog We're talking about Irish immigration, which has nothing to do with customs, unlike in the US
– Coke
18 hours ago
I read that as a statement about countries generally; perhaps I should not have.
– phoog
17 hours ago
@phoog The question was originally about countries in general. I edited to restrict the scope to Ireland but I left references to "the country" as I thought the context was now enough to imply that this meant Ireland. If you think my edit might've been ambiguous, do go ahead and improve it.
– David Richerby
16 hours ago
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1
With regard to the last question and answer, that will surely vary by national law and the circumstances. It also depends on the meaning of "obliged": in the US, for example, a person who refuses to say where they are coming from could be violating customs reporting requirements, and, if the person is under suspicion of criminal activity where the point of departure is material to the investigation, could increase the probability of being arrested.
– phoog
18 hours ago
1
@phoog We're talking about Irish immigration, which has nothing to do with customs, unlike in the US
– Coke
18 hours ago
I read that as a statement about countries generally; perhaps I should not have.
– phoog
17 hours ago
@phoog The question was originally about countries in general. I edited to restrict the scope to Ireland but I left references to "the country" as I thought the context was now enough to imply that this meant Ireland. If you think my edit might've been ambiguous, do go ahead and improve it.
– David Richerby
16 hours ago
1
1
With regard to the last question and answer, that will surely vary by national law and the circumstances. It also depends on the meaning of "obliged": in the US, for example, a person who refuses to say where they are coming from could be violating customs reporting requirements, and, if the person is under suspicion of criminal activity where the point of departure is material to the investigation, could increase the probability of being arrested.
– phoog
18 hours ago
With regard to the last question and answer, that will surely vary by national law and the circumstances. It also depends on the meaning of "obliged": in the US, for example, a person who refuses to say where they are coming from could be violating customs reporting requirements, and, if the person is under suspicion of criminal activity where the point of departure is material to the investigation, could increase the probability of being arrested.
– phoog
18 hours ago
1
1
@phoog We're talking about Irish immigration, which has nothing to do with customs, unlike in the US
– Coke
18 hours ago
@phoog We're talking about Irish immigration, which has nothing to do with customs, unlike in the US
– Coke
18 hours ago
I read that as a statement about countries generally; perhaps I should not have.
– phoog
17 hours ago
I read that as a statement about countries generally; perhaps I should not have.
– phoog
17 hours ago
@phoog The question was originally about countries in general. I edited to restrict the scope to Ireland but I left references to "the country" as I thought the context was now enough to imply that this meant Ireland. If you think my edit might've been ambiguous, do go ahead and improve it.
– David Richerby
16 hours ago
@phoog The question was originally about countries in general. I edited to restrict the scope to Ireland but I left references to "the country" as I thought the context was now enough to imply that this meant Ireland. If you think my edit might've been ambiguous, do go ahead and improve it.
– David Richerby
16 hours ago
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Irish citizens are entitled to enter Ireland, regardless of the document they use
However, you are required to use the passport card number when checking in online if you intend to use it (at which point the airline can refuse to carry you if your flight originates outside of the EU).
If anything, this makes sense for logistical reasons:
- Airlines have to register their passenger manifest with the country they are travelling to (including the document numbers of the passengers on the flight)
- From a security standpoint, if a person arrives at immigration,without a travel document that matches a document from a registered passenger manifest, a security failure/breach may have occurred (either in an Irish Airport, or the originating airport).
- This would need to be rectified. The only way to understand if this has occurred is to ask for the document you actually traveled on (in this case your passport book)
Additionally, your passport isn't actually your property, it's the property of the Minister for Foreign Affairs. As such they can request to see it, if only to ensure that you haven't misplaced it on your travels.
There is no requirement that entry to Ireland be given without any delay upon proof of Irish citizenship. They can't refuse your entry (as an Irish Citizen), but they can certainly delay it if they have a reasonable justification. For example:
- you may need to be quarantined if you arrived from a country with an active pandemic outbreak to ensure public safety
- you may be the subject of an arrest warrant
- you may be the subject of extradition proceedings
- ensuring there hasn't been a security breach in the air travel system
What would have happened if I refused or lost my actual passport?
If you lost your actual passport you can tell them that, and you will likely need to make a statement to the Gardai about the last passport while you are still in the airport (lost passports are at risk of being forged and used to facilitate illegal entry into the country).
If you refused then they are able to escalate it to the Gardai, and a Garda can demand to see your passport (failing to comply with Garda orders is an arrest-able offence under the Criminal justice (Public Order) Act).
Are they allowed ask where I have traveled from?
Of course. There are different customs requirements and regulations depending on your point of origin.
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Irish citizens are entitled to enter Ireland, regardless of the document they use
However, you are required to use the passport card number when checking in online if you intend to use it (at which point the airline can refuse to carry you if your flight originates outside of the EU).
If anything, this makes sense for logistical reasons:
- Airlines have to register their passenger manifest with the country they are travelling to (including the document numbers of the passengers on the flight)
- From a security standpoint, if a person arrives at immigration,without a travel document that matches a document from a registered passenger manifest, a security failure/breach may have occurred (either in an Irish Airport, or the originating airport).
- This would need to be rectified. The only way to understand if this has occurred is to ask for the document you actually traveled on (in this case your passport book)
Additionally, your passport isn't actually your property, it's the property of the Minister for Foreign Affairs. As such they can request to see it, if only to ensure that you haven't misplaced it on your travels.
There is no requirement that entry to Ireland be given without any delay upon proof of Irish citizenship. They can't refuse your entry (as an Irish Citizen), but they can certainly delay it if they have a reasonable justification. For example:
- you may need to be quarantined if you arrived from a country with an active pandemic outbreak to ensure public safety
- you may be the subject of an arrest warrant
- you may be the subject of extradition proceedings
- ensuring there hasn't been a security breach in the air travel system
What would have happened if I refused or lost my actual passport?
If you lost your actual passport you can tell them that, and you will likely need to make a statement to the Gardai about the last passport while you are still in the airport (lost passports are at risk of being forged and used to facilitate illegal entry into the country).
If you refused then they are able to escalate it to the Gardai, and a Garda can demand to see your passport (failing to comply with Garda orders is an arrest-able offence under the Criminal justice (Public Order) Act).
Are they allowed ask where I have traveled from?
Of course. There are different customs requirements and regulations depending on your point of origin.
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Irish citizens are entitled to enter Ireland, regardless of the document they use
However, you are required to use the passport card number when checking in online if you intend to use it (at which point the airline can refuse to carry you if your flight originates outside of the EU).
If anything, this makes sense for logistical reasons:
- Airlines have to register their passenger manifest with the country they are travelling to (including the document numbers of the passengers on the flight)
- From a security standpoint, if a person arrives at immigration,without a travel document that matches a document from a registered passenger manifest, a security failure/breach may have occurred (either in an Irish Airport, or the originating airport).
- This would need to be rectified. The only way to understand if this has occurred is to ask for the document you actually traveled on (in this case your passport book)
Additionally, your passport isn't actually your property, it's the property of the Minister for Foreign Affairs. As such they can request to see it, if only to ensure that you haven't misplaced it on your travels.
There is no requirement that entry to Ireland be given without any delay upon proof of Irish citizenship. They can't refuse your entry (as an Irish Citizen), but they can certainly delay it if they have a reasonable justification. For example:
- you may need to be quarantined if you arrived from a country with an active pandemic outbreak to ensure public safety
- you may be the subject of an arrest warrant
- you may be the subject of extradition proceedings
- ensuring there hasn't been a security breach in the air travel system
What would have happened if I refused or lost my actual passport?
If you lost your actual passport you can tell them that, and you will likely need to make a statement to the Gardai about the last passport while you are still in the airport (lost passports are at risk of being forged and used to facilitate illegal entry into the country).
If you refused then they are able to escalate it to the Gardai, and a Garda can demand to see your passport (failing to comply with Garda orders is an arrest-able offence under the Criminal justice (Public Order) Act).
Are they allowed ask where I have traveled from?
Of course. There are different customs requirements and regulations depending on your point of origin.
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Irish citizens are entitled to enter Ireland, regardless of the document they use
However, you are required to use the passport card number when checking in online if you intend to use it (at which point the airline can refuse to carry you if your flight originates outside of the EU).
If anything, this makes sense for logistical reasons:
- Airlines have to register their passenger manifest with the country they are travelling to (including the document numbers of the passengers on the flight)
- From a security standpoint, if a person arrives at immigration,without a travel document that matches a document from a registered passenger manifest, a security failure/breach may have occurred (either in an Irish Airport, or the originating airport).
- This would need to be rectified. The only way to understand if this has occurred is to ask for the document you actually traveled on (in this case your passport book)
Additionally, your passport isn't actually your property, it's the property of the Minister for Foreign Affairs. As such they can request to see it, if only to ensure that you haven't misplaced it on your travels.
There is no requirement that entry to Ireland be given without any delay upon proof of Irish citizenship. They can't refuse your entry (as an Irish Citizen), but they can certainly delay it if they have a reasonable justification. For example:
- you may need to be quarantined if you arrived from a country with an active pandemic outbreak to ensure public safety
- you may be the subject of an arrest warrant
- you may be the subject of extradition proceedings
- ensuring there hasn't been a security breach in the air travel system
What would have happened if I refused or lost my actual passport?
If you lost your actual passport you can tell them that, and you will likely need to make a statement to the Gardai about the last passport while you are still in the airport (lost passports are at risk of being forged and used to facilitate illegal entry into the country).
If you refused then they are able to escalate it to the Gardai, and a Garda can demand to see your passport (failing to comply with Garda orders is an arrest-able offence under the Criminal justice (Public Order) Act).
Are they allowed ask where I have traveled from?
Of course. There are different customs requirements and regulations depending on your point of origin.
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I edited your question to restrict it to Ireland. Different countries will surely have different requirements and nobody will be able to write a comprehensive answer to the general question.
– David Richerby
21 hours ago
To proof the point of difference between different countries, I almost always enter the Netherlands with my ID card when I see an officer and I have never been asked for my passport.
– Willeke♦
21 hours ago
Some (possibly unrelated) comment - 1) Perhaps a spot check to ensure the passport card is not a fake one, as passport card is tied to the passport book according to this page? 2) Since the immigration official was told you are travelling from outside EEA, they must have inferred that you are likely to have your passport with you? I am not sure what happen if you refuse or lost your passport en route.
– B.Liu
20 hours ago
1
Another possibly-related data point: the US passport card can only be used at land borders and seaports from Caribbean locations. It cannot be used for air travel, for or ocean travel from other locations (e.g., Europe); a passport book must be used. So in this case, where you're arriving from does matter.
– Mike Harris
20 hours ago
1
@JonathanReez "unless there's a penalty for violating that rule, it is pretty much impossible to enforce": sure. I suppose that this incident would have ended without too much fuss had the traveler said "I don't have it." But I don't know that's the case, and the possibility that there is a penalty is not entirely farfetched.
– phoog
19 hours ago