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In my PhD thesis, I wish to describe a software toolbox that I created in equal parts along with 2 other people (say Alice and Bob).
Should I say
"This software toolbox was co-created with Alice and Bob?" or "This software toolbox was co-created by Alice and Bob?"
Since it is my Phd thesis, it is implicit that I am a creator. In fact, the university requires a covering statement that everything I say in the thesis is entirely my contribution, unless explicitly stated otherwise, properly acknowledged and appropriately referenced.
If it matters, this is in England, and although I am from India, I am not considered a native speaker by my institution.
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In my PhD thesis, I wish to describe a software toolbox that I created in equal parts along with 2 other people (say Alice and Bob).
Should I say
"This software toolbox was co-created with Alice and Bob?" or "This software toolbox was co-created by Alice and Bob?"
Since it is my Phd thesis, it is implicit that I am a creator. In fact, the university requires a covering statement that everything I say in the thesis is entirely my contribution, unless explicitly stated otherwise, properly acknowledged and appropriately referenced.
If it matters, this is in England, and although I am from India, I am not considered a native speaker by my institution.
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Or along with ?
– Shmuel
2 hours ago
What do other people put in theses? Google ngrams isn't helping much.
– Pam
2 hours ago
@Shmuel, you meant "created along with", right?
– krishnakumar G
2 hours ago
You're asking your audience / readership to infer the unspoken but implicit highlighted element was co-created by myself along with Alice and Bob. If you only preserve the first preposition (by), that's not really a credible interpretation. If you're not going to explicitly mention yourself, the only way you could reasonably expect to be understood would be to use with (which forces the audience to recognise that there must be someone else involved besides Alice and Bob).
– FumbleFingers
2 hours ago
@FumbleFingers This is a PhD thesis, which is primarily an individuals own work, that of the author (A Phd thesis cannot be co-authored). However, these days, we live in a cross-disciplinary collaborative environment wherein better progress can be achieved by leveraging the expertise of another one for a specific sub-task. That is fine, as long as in the document that other contributor is properly acknowledged specifically identifying to what sub-task the other person contributed to.
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1 hour ago
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In my PhD thesis, I wish to describe a software toolbox that I created in equal parts along with 2 other people (say Alice and Bob).
Should I say
"This software toolbox was co-created with Alice and Bob?" or "This software toolbox was co-created by Alice and Bob?"
Since it is my Phd thesis, it is implicit that I am a creator. In fact, the university requires a covering statement that everything I say in the thesis is entirely my contribution, unless explicitly stated otherwise, properly acknowledged and appropriately referenced.
If it matters, this is in England, and although I am from India, I am not considered a native speaker by my institution.
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In my PhD thesis, I wish to describe a software toolbox that I created in equal parts along with 2 other people (say Alice and Bob).
Should I say
"This software toolbox was co-created with Alice and Bob?" or "This software toolbox was co-created by Alice and Bob?"
Since it is my Phd thesis, it is implicit that I am a creator. In fact, the university requires a covering statement that everything I say in the thesis is entirely my contribution, unless explicitly stated otherwise, properly acknowledged and appropriately referenced.
If it matters, this is in England, and although I am from India, I am not considered a native speaker by my institution.
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Or along with ?
– Shmuel
2 hours ago
What do other people put in theses? Google ngrams isn't helping much.
– Pam
2 hours ago
@Shmuel, you meant "created along with", right?
– krishnakumar G
2 hours ago
You're asking your audience / readership to infer the unspoken but implicit highlighted element was co-created by myself along with Alice and Bob. If you only preserve the first preposition (by), that's not really a credible interpretation. If you're not going to explicitly mention yourself, the only way you could reasonably expect to be understood would be to use with (which forces the audience to recognise that there must be someone else involved besides Alice and Bob).
– FumbleFingers
2 hours ago
@FumbleFingers This is a PhD thesis, which is primarily an individuals own work, that of the author (A Phd thesis cannot be co-authored). However, these days, we live in a cross-disciplinary collaborative environment wherein better progress can be achieved by leveraging the expertise of another one for a specific sub-task. That is fine, as long as in the document that other contributor is properly acknowledged specifically identifying to what sub-task the other person contributed to.
– krishnakumar G
1 hour ago
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Or along with ?
– Shmuel
2 hours ago
What do other people put in theses? Google ngrams isn't helping much.
– Pam
2 hours ago
@Shmuel, you meant "created along with", right?
– krishnakumar G
2 hours ago
You're asking your audience / readership to infer the unspoken but implicit highlighted element was co-created by myself along with Alice and Bob. If you only preserve the first preposition (by), that's not really a credible interpretation. If you're not going to explicitly mention yourself, the only way you could reasonably expect to be understood would be to use with (which forces the audience to recognise that there must be someone else involved besides Alice and Bob).
– FumbleFingers
2 hours ago
@FumbleFingers This is a PhD thesis, which is primarily an individuals own work, that of the author (A Phd thesis cannot be co-authored). However, these days, we live in a cross-disciplinary collaborative environment wherein better progress can be achieved by leveraging the expertise of another one for a specific sub-task. That is fine, as long as in the document that other contributor is properly acknowledged specifically identifying to what sub-task the other person contributed to.
– krishnakumar G
1 hour ago
Or along with ?
– Shmuel
2 hours ago
Or along with ?
– Shmuel
2 hours ago
What do other people put in theses? Google ngrams isn't helping much.
– Pam
2 hours ago
What do other people put in theses? Google ngrams isn't helping much.
– Pam
2 hours ago
@Shmuel, you meant "created along with", right?
– krishnakumar G
2 hours ago
@Shmuel, you meant "created along with", right?
– krishnakumar G
2 hours ago
You're asking your audience / readership to infer the unspoken but implicit highlighted element was co-created by myself along with Alice and Bob. If you only preserve the first preposition (by), that's not really a credible interpretation. If you're not going to explicitly mention yourself, the only way you could reasonably expect to be understood would be to use with (which forces the audience to recognise that there must be someone else involved besides Alice and Bob).
– FumbleFingers
2 hours ago
You're asking your audience / readership to infer the unspoken but implicit highlighted element was co-created by myself along with Alice and Bob. If you only preserve the first preposition (by), that's not really a credible interpretation. If you're not going to explicitly mention yourself, the only way you could reasonably expect to be understood would be to use with (which forces the audience to recognise that there must be someone else involved besides Alice and Bob).
– FumbleFingers
2 hours ago
@FumbleFingers This is a PhD thesis, which is primarily an individuals own work, that of the author (A Phd thesis cannot be co-authored). However, these days, we live in a cross-disciplinary collaborative environment wherein better progress can be achieved by leveraging the expertise of another one for a specific sub-task. That is fine, as long as in the document that other contributor is properly acknowledged specifically identifying to what sub-task the other person contributed to.
– krishnakumar G
1 hour ago
@FumbleFingers This is a PhD thesis, which is primarily an individuals own work, that of the author (A Phd thesis cannot be co-authored). However, these days, we live in a cross-disciplinary collaborative environment wherein better progress can be achieved by leveraging the expertise of another one for a specific sub-task. That is fine, as long as in the document that other contributor is properly acknowledged specifically identifying to what sub-task the other person contributed to.
– krishnakumar G
1 hour ago
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"Created by Alice and Bob" means that only those two people were involved: "Co-created by Alice and Bob" I would expect to mean the same since co- means only that more than one person was involved, which the reader can tell from the word and. If you use either, you can expect a question about whether you actually played any part in the creation of this software.
"Created with..." or (better) "created together with..." would be the way to indicate that this was a three-person job.
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Both of these suggest that you were not included. The co- could just mean Alice and Bob did it together. So the co- serves no useful purpose here and should be removed unless you wish to emphasise that it was a co-production.
Say
I created it with Alice and Bob
or
Alice and Bob created it with me
or
It was created by Alice, Bob and myself.
This last is, in my opinion, the most elegant and does not prioritize anyone.
To meet the requirements, you may wish to emphasise that it was a co-creation so you can add co- to any of these.
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2 Answers
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active
oldest
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oldest
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active
oldest
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up vote
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down vote
accepted
"Created by Alice and Bob" means that only those two people were involved: "Co-created by Alice and Bob" I would expect to mean the same since co- means only that more than one person was involved, which the reader can tell from the word and. If you use either, you can expect a question about whether you actually played any part in the creation of this software.
"Created with..." or (better) "created together with..." would be the way to indicate that this was a three-person job.
answered 1 hour ago
TimLymington
32.2k771138
1
Thank you for the accept, but it is usual to wait a day or two, in case somebody provides a better answer.
– TimLymington
1 hour ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
6
down vote
accepted
"Created by Alice and Bob" means that only those two people were involved: "Co-created by Alice and Bob" I would expect to mean the same since co- means only that more than one person was involved, which the reader can tell from the word and. If you use either, you can expect a question about whether you actually played any part in the creation of this software.
"Created with..." or (better) "created together with..." would be the way to indicate that this was a three-person job.
answered 1 hour ago
TimLymington
32.2k771138
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Thank you for the accept, but it is usual to wait a day or two, in case somebody provides a better answer.
– TimLymington
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up vote
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up vote
6
down vote
accepted
"Created by Alice and Bob" means that only those two people were involved: "Co-created by Alice and Bob" I would expect to mean the same since co- means only that more than one person was involved, which the reader can tell from the word and. If you use either, you can expect a question about whether you actually played any part in the creation of this software.
"Created with..." or (better) "created together with..." would be the way to indicate that this was a three-person job.
answered 1 hour ago
TimLymington
32.2k771138
"Created by Alice and Bob" means that only those two people were involved: "Co-created by Alice and Bob" I would expect to mean the same since co- means only that more than one person was involved, which the reader can tell from the word and. If you use either, you can expect a question about whether you actually played any part in the creation of this software.
"Created with..." or (better) "created together with..." would be the way to indicate that this was a three-person job.
answered 1 hour ago
TimLymington
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answered 1 hour ago
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Thank you for the accept, but it is usual to wait a day or two, in case somebody provides a better answer.
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Thank you for the accept, but it is usual to wait a day or two, in case somebody provides a better answer.
– TimLymington
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Thank you for the accept, but it is usual to wait a day or two, in case somebody provides a better answer.
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Both of these suggest that you were not included. The co- could just mean Alice and Bob did it together. So the co- serves no useful purpose here and should be removed unless you wish to emphasise that it was a co-production.
Say
I created it with Alice and Bob
or
Alice and Bob created it with me
or
It was created by Alice, Bob and myself.
This last is, in my opinion, the most elegant and does not prioritize anyone.
To meet the requirements, you may wish to emphasise that it was a co-creation so you can add co- to any of these.
answered 1 hour ago
David Robinson
3108
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
Both of these suggest that you were not included. The co- could just mean Alice and Bob did it together. So the co- serves no useful purpose here and should be removed unless you wish to emphasise that it was a co-production.
Say
I created it with Alice and Bob
or
Alice and Bob created it with me
or
It was created by Alice, Bob and myself.
This last is, in my opinion, the most elegant and does not prioritize anyone.
To meet the requirements, you may wish to emphasise that it was a co-creation so you can add co- to any of these.
answered 1 hour ago
David Robinson
3108
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
up vote
0
down vote
Both of these suggest that you were not included. The co- could just mean Alice and Bob did it together. So the co- serves no useful purpose here and should be removed unless you wish to emphasise that it was a co-production.
Say
I created it with Alice and Bob
or
Alice and Bob created it with me
or
It was created by Alice, Bob and myself.
This last is, in my opinion, the most elegant and does not prioritize anyone.
To meet the requirements, you may wish to emphasise that it was a co-creation so you can add co- to any of these.
answered 1 hour ago
David Robinson
3108
Both of these suggest that you were not included. The co- could just mean Alice and Bob did it together. So the co- serves no useful purpose here and should be removed unless you wish to emphasise that it was a co-production.
Say
I created it with Alice and Bob
or
Alice and Bob created it with me
or
It was created by Alice, Bob and myself.
This last is, in my opinion, the most elegant and does not prioritize anyone.
To meet the requirements, you may wish to emphasise that it was a co-creation so you can add co- to any of these.
answered 1 hour ago
David Robinson
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David Robinson
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David Robinson
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David Robinson
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Or along with ?
– Shmuel
2 hours ago
What do other people put in theses? Google ngrams isn't helping much.
– Pam
2 hours ago
@Shmuel, you meant "created along with", right?
– krishnakumar G
2 hours ago
You're asking your audience / readership to infer the unspoken but implicit highlighted element was co-created by myself along with Alice and Bob. If you only preserve the first preposition (by), that's not really a credible interpretation. If you're not going to explicitly mention yourself, the only way you could reasonably expect to be understood would be to use with (which forces the audience to recognise that there must be someone else involved besides Alice and Bob).
– FumbleFingers
2 hours ago
@FumbleFingers This is a PhD thesis, which is primarily an individuals own work, that of the author (A Phd thesis cannot be co-authored). However, these days, we live in a cross-disciplinary collaborative environment wherein better progress can be achieved by leveraging the expertise of another one for a specific sub-task. That is fine, as long as in the document that other contributor is properly acknowledged specifically identifying to what sub-task the other person contributed to.
– krishnakumar G
1 hour ago