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Last week I received an email with a job-offer from a company; since I haven't heard anything about said company, their webpage was in maintenance and found nothing about them in Google (and there have been cases in which companies kidnap or rob people by offering fake jobs), I asked them if they could provide more information about the company (expecting a "we develop X and Y and we are located in Z"). Apparently the "I haven't heard about the company" offended them because they only replied that they are "a software and hardware development startup, and we haven't heard anything about you either".
I only replied apologizing if I offended them and wishing them good luck.
Was I wrong? Was I offensive? Isn't it normal that people doesn't know them since they are a startup? Is it a professional way for they to respond? How could I've asked for information without offending them?
(Feel free to correct my grammar :) )
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Last week I received an email with a job-offer from a company; since I haven't heard anything about said company, their webpage was in maintenance and found nothing about them in Google (and there have been cases in which companies kidnap or rob people by offering fake jobs), I asked them if they could provide more information about the company (expecting a "we develop X and Y and we are located in Z"). Apparently the "I haven't heard about the company" offended them because they only replied that they are "a software and hardware development startup, and we haven't heard anything about you either".
I only replied apologizing if I offended them and wishing them good luck.
Was I wrong? Was I offensive? Isn't it normal that people doesn't know them since they are a startup? Is it a professional way for they to respond? How could I've asked for information without offending them?
(Feel free to correct my grammar :) )
professionalism job-offer
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ouch. Don't contact them again -- you did nothing wrong and acted appropriately.
– mcknz
Jul 2 '16 at 18:42
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That response warranted further interest? If a company responds that way then you probably don't want to work there. Did you even interview with them or apply there? Needless to say, you are not going to get a "job" there. Move on.
– B1313
Jul 2 '16 at 20:48
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"their webpage was in maintenance" - You can also try the Internet Archive (aka Wayback Machine) to see what they have previously published on their Web site. If they have never posted anything, that does not sound serious to me.
– Brandin
Jul 4 '16 at 8:49
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Use WHOIS service (but use more than one, as not all give all available info) on their website url. You'll get some names and phones and addresses, etc etc. If you get a "Date registered: Yesterday" then you can send them to **** off right away.
– Ã˜Ã²Ã¾ ÃÂõôõò
Jul 4 '16 at 15:03
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It may have been a scam, but the "offended personal response" tells me it's probably one or two guys that are remarkably impressed with their own mediocrity. A legit startup wants to stay "invisible" until they have a deliverable product, lest Google or Microsoft take a weekend to beat them to market once they see their idea is good.
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Jul 4 '16 at 18:16
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Last week I received an email with a job-offer from a company; since I haven't heard anything about said company, their webpage was in maintenance and found nothing about them in Google (and there have been cases in which companies kidnap or rob people by offering fake jobs), I asked them if they could provide more information about the company (expecting a "we develop X and Y and we are located in Z"). Apparently the "I haven't heard about the company" offended them because they only replied that they are "a software and hardware development startup, and we haven't heard anything about you either".
I only replied apologizing if I offended them and wishing them good luck.
Was I wrong? Was I offensive? Isn't it normal that people doesn't know them since they are a startup? Is it a professional way for they to respond? How could I've asked for information without offending them?
(Feel free to correct my grammar :) )
professionalism job-offer
edited Jul 4 '16 at 19:16
Keith Thompson
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asked Jul 2 '16 at 18:16
Cassandra
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Last week I received an email with a job-offer from a company; since I haven't heard anything about said company, their webpage was in maintenance and found nothing about them in Google (and there have been cases in which companies kidnap or rob people by offering fake jobs), I asked them if they could provide more information about the company (expecting a "we develop X and Y and we are located in Z"). Apparently the "I haven't heard about the company" offended them because they only replied that they are "a software and hardware development startup, and we haven't heard anything about you either".
I only replied apologizing if I offended them and wishing them good luck.
Was I wrong? Was I offensive? Isn't it normal that people doesn't know them since they are a startup? Is it a professional way for they to respond? How could I've asked for information without offending them?
(Feel free to correct my grammar :) )
professionalism job-offer
edited Jul 4 '16 at 19:16
Keith Thompson
1,496918
asked Jul 2 '16 at 18:16
Cassandra
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edited Jul 4 '16 at 19:16
Keith Thompson
1,496918
edited Jul 4 '16 at 19:16
Keith Thompson
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edited Jul 4 '16 at 19:16
Keith Thompson
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asked Jul 2 '16 at 18:16
Cassandra
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asked Jul 2 '16 at 18:16
Cassandra
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asked Jul 2 '16 at 18:16
Cassandra
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ouch. Don't contact them again -- you did nothing wrong and acted appropriately.
– mcknz
Jul 2 '16 at 18:42
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That response warranted further interest? If a company responds that way then you probably don't want to work there. Did you even interview with them or apply there? Needless to say, you are not going to get a "job" there. Move on.
– B1313
Jul 2 '16 at 20:48
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"their webpage was in maintenance" - You can also try the Internet Archive (aka Wayback Machine) to see what they have previously published on their Web site. If they have never posted anything, that does not sound serious to me.
– Brandin
Jul 4 '16 at 8:49
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Use WHOIS service (but use more than one, as not all give all available info) on their website url. You'll get some names and phones and addresses, etc etc. If you get a "Date registered: Yesterday" then you can send them to **** off right away.
– Ã˜Ã²Ã¾ ÃÂõôõò
Jul 4 '16 at 15:03
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It may have been a scam, but the "offended personal response" tells me it's probably one or two guys that are remarkably impressed with their own mediocrity. A legit startup wants to stay "invisible" until they have a deliverable product, lest Google or Microsoft take a weekend to beat them to market once they see their idea is good.
– Wesley Long
Jul 4 '16 at 18:16
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ouch. Don't contact them again -- you did nothing wrong and acted appropriately.
– mcknz
Jul 2 '16 at 18:42
3
That response warranted further interest? If a company responds that way then you probably don't want to work there. Did you even interview with them or apply there? Needless to say, you are not going to get a "job" there. Move on.
– B1313
Jul 2 '16 at 20:48
1
"their webpage was in maintenance" - You can also try the Internet Archive (aka Wayback Machine) to see what they have previously published on their Web site. If they have never posted anything, that does not sound serious to me.
– Brandin
Jul 4 '16 at 8:49
1
Use WHOIS service (but use more than one, as not all give all available info) on their website url. You'll get some names and phones and addresses, etc etc. If you get a "Date registered: Yesterday" then you can send them to **** off right away.
– Ã˜Ã²Ã¾ ÃÂõôõò
Jul 4 '16 at 15:03
1
It may have been a scam, but the "offended personal response" tells me it's probably one or two guys that are remarkably impressed with their own mediocrity. A legit startup wants to stay "invisible" until they have a deliverable product, lest Google or Microsoft take a weekend to beat them to market once they see their idea is good.
– Wesley Long
Jul 4 '16 at 18:16
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ouch. Don't contact them again -- you did nothing wrong and acted appropriately.
– mcknz
Jul 2 '16 at 18:42
ouch. Don't contact them again -- you did nothing wrong and acted appropriately.
– mcknz
Jul 2 '16 at 18:42
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3
That response warranted further interest? If a company responds that way then you probably don't want to work there. Did you even interview with them or apply there? Needless to say, you are not going to get a "job" there. Move on.
– B1313
Jul 2 '16 at 20:48
That response warranted further interest? If a company responds that way then you probably don't want to work there. Did you even interview with them or apply there? Needless to say, you are not going to get a "job" there. Move on.
– B1313
Jul 2 '16 at 20:48
1
1
"their webpage was in maintenance" - You can also try the Internet Archive (aka Wayback Machine) to see what they have previously published on their Web site. If they have never posted anything, that does not sound serious to me.
– Brandin
Jul 4 '16 at 8:49
"their webpage was in maintenance" - You can also try the Internet Archive (aka Wayback Machine) to see what they have previously published on their Web site. If they have never posted anything, that does not sound serious to me.
– Brandin
Jul 4 '16 at 8:49
1
1
Use WHOIS service (but use more than one, as not all give all available info) on their website url. You'll get some names and phones and addresses, etc etc. If you get a "Date registered: Yesterday" then you can send them to **** off right away.
– Ã˜Ã²Ã¾ ÃÂõôõò
Jul 4 '16 at 15:03
Use WHOIS service (but use more than one, as not all give all available info) on their website url. You'll get some names and phones and addresses, etc etc. If you get a "Date registered: Yesterday" then you can send them to **** off right away.
– Ã˜Ã²Ã¾ ÃÂõôõò
Jul 4 '16 at 15:03
1
1
It may have been a scam, but the "offended personal response" tells me it's probably one or two guys that are remarkably impressed with their own mediocrity. A legit startup wants to stay "invisible" until they have a deliverable product, lest Google or Microsoft take a weekend to beat them to market once they see their idea is good.
– Wesley Long
Jul 4 '16 at 18:16
It may have been a scam, but the "offended personal response" tells me it's probably one or two guys that are remarkably impressed with their own mediocrity. A legit startup wants to stay "invisible" until they have a deliverable product, lest Google or Microsoft take a weekend to beat them to market once they see their idea is good.
– Wesley Long
Jul 4 '16 at 18:16
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Unless you are a prominent figure in your industry, legitimate job offers do not come via unsolicited email from strange companies you've never heard of. This has scam written all over it.
"we haven't heard anything about you either"
is clearly a lie, since they sent you an email. They at least knew your email address. This sounds like a scammer annoyed that the intended victim is asking sensible questions. I recommend having nothing more to do with this.
answered Jul 2 '16 at 18:34
Charles E. Grant
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May not be a lie, likely they will have "aquired" a list of initial marks and won't know anything until they respond, but agree with the advice
– The Wandering Dev Manager
Jul 2 '16 at 19:47
I get unsolicited job offers to my personal e-mail occasionally from people that don't know me or what I do. Sometimes they find me on github and think I might know X or Y technology so they try their chance. It doesn't sound like a scam to me.
– ecc
Jul 4 '16 at 12:21
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@ecc are those job offers, or invitations to talk to see if it would be a good fit?
– LindaJeanne
Jul 4 '16 at 12:30
I guess I would say it was the latter but OP didn't really specify. From what was written in the question, the scenario could basically be the same as mine.
– ecc
Jul 4 '16 at 12:38
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In English, a "job offer" implies a firm commitment to hire you. As you can imagine, making a commitment to hire you without ever having met you, would be very unlikely for a legitimate company. However, It's beginning to sound more like they just sent you an invitation to apply, As @ecc writes, that does happen, particularly in markets with high demand for workers. However, given their sketchy web presence, negative reaction to your question, and your remarks about kidnapping and robbery scams in your local market, I'd still be wary.
– Charles E. Grant
Jul 4 '16 at 19:01
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If it was a legitimate business, then they would know that nobody has heard of them, and their reply to you would be absolutely childish. Not a place where you would want to start a job. I would have asked the same question, and would have expected from a legitimate company with currently no visibility an explanation what they plan to do and how to make money from it. As a legitimate company, I would be worried if a potential employee wouldn't ask.
Most likely a scam.
answered Jul 2 '16 at 20:05
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First red flag:
I received an email with a job-offer from a company
Getting an unsolicited job offer from an organisation you haven't applied to is really suspicious. Perhaps a contact to ask if you are interested in working for them yes, but a job offer? Not so much.
Second red flag:
..."a software and hardware development startup, and we haven't heard anything about you either."
So if they haven't heard of you, why or even how exactly did they send you a job offer?
Your actions were appropriate and professional. Walk away, this has scam written all over it.
answered Jul 3 '16 at 22:17
Jane S♦
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bonus red flag: "a software and hardware development startup"? Vague, much? Seems like an actual company would have a clearer idea of what they do. (If they didn't, they wouldn't last long)
– LindaJeanne
Jul 4 '16 at 12:27
@LindaJeanne I have shared a building with a startup that was exactly a "software and hardware development startup" (they built edge devices for networks, custom hardware and software), so it's not unheard of. Not common, but not that much of a red flag.
– Jane S♦
Jul 4 '16 at 14:16
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if they described themselves as "building edge devices for networks, with custom hardware and software", then they weren't being anywhere near as vague as this company is with "software and hardware development startup".
– LindaJeanne
Jul 4 '16 at 19:08
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Gotta agree. @Jane: if they couldn't be any more specific than that either their recruiter is incompetent or something else is wrong. It's not even as focused as the semi-apocryphal mission statement DEC came up with to get their first Lian.
– keshlam
Jul 5 '16 at 16:03
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c/lian/loan/ in previous post.
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Jul 5 '16 at 22:59
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I would have phrased my question a bit differently -- "I tried researching you but I wasn't my able to find anything meaningful. So who are you, how long have you existed, where's a trade journal article or three about you and your offerings, where's your web presence.." But I agree with others that their getting defensive rather than saying "oops" and spelling this out is a huge red flag.
answered Jul 3 '16 at 15:36
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For what it's worth, I made life rather unhappy for a recruiter who claimed to be offering me a CTO position... at a time in my career when I barely knew what a CTO might do. Remember that a cold caller is essentially a salesman knocking on your door; the profit may not be good, the deal may not be good, and it is not rude to say "not interested" and close the door.
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Unless you are a prominent figure in your industry, legitimate job offers do not come via unsolicited email from strange companies you've never heard of. This has scam written all over it.
"we haven't heard anything about you either"
is clearly a lie, since they sent you an email. They at least knew your email address. This sounds like a scammer annoyed that the intended victim is asking sensible questions. I recommend having nothing more to do with this.
answered Jul 2 '16 at 18:34
Charles E. Grant
2,6791817
May not be a lie, likely they will have "aquired" a list of initial marks and won't know anything until they respond, but agree with the advice
– The Wandering Dev Manager
Jul 2 '16 at 19:47
I get unsolicited job offers to my personal e-mail occasionally from people that don't know me or what I do. Sometimes they find me on github and think I might know X or Y technology so they try their chance. It doesn't sound like a scam to me.
– ecc
Jul 4 '16 at 12:21
1
@ecc are those job offers, or invitations to talk to see if it would be a good fit?
– LindaJeanne
Jul 4 '16 at 12:30
I guess I would say it was the latter but OP didn't really specify. From what was written in the question, the scenario could basically be the same as mine.
– ecc
Jul 4 '16 at 12:38
3
In English, a "job offer" implies a firm commitment to hire you. As you can imagine, making a commitment to hire you without ever having met you, would be very unlikely for a legitimate company. However, It's beginning to sound more like they just sent you an invitation to apply, As @ecc writes, that does happen, particularly in markets with high demand for workers. However, given their sketchy web presence, negative reaction to your question, and your remarks about kidnapping and robbery scams in your local market, I'd still be wary.
– Charles E. Grant
Jul 4 '16 at 19:01
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Unless you are a prominent figure in your industry, legitimate job offers do not come via unsolicited email from strange companies you've never heard of. This has scam written all over it.
"we haven't heard anything about you either"
is clearly a lie, since they sent you an email. They at least knew your email address. This sounds like a scammer annoyed that the intended victim is asking sensible questions. I recommend having nothing more to do with this.
answered Jul 2 '16 at 18:34
Charles E. Grant
2,6791817
May not be a lie, likely they will have "aquired" a list of initial marks and won't know anything until they respond, but agree with the advice
– The Wandering Dev Manager
Jul 2 '16 at 19:47
I get unsolicited job offers to my personal e-mail occasionally from people that don't know me or what I do. Sometimes they find me on github and think I might know X or Y technology so they try their chance. It doesn't sound like a scam to me.
– ecc
Jul 4 '16 at 12:21
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@ecc are those job offers, or invitations to talk to see if it would be a good fit?
– LindaJeanne
Jul 4 '16 at 12:30
I guess I would say it was the latter but OP didn't really specify. From what was written in the question, the scenario could basically be the same as mine.
– ecc
Jul 4 '16 at 12:38
3
In English, a "job offer" implies a firm commitment to hire you. As you can imagine, making a commitment to hire you without ever having met you, would be very unlikely for a legitimate company. However, It's beginning to sound more like they just sent you an invitation to apply, As @ecc writes, that does happen, particularly in markets with high demand for workers. However, given their sketchy web presence, negative reaction to your question, and your remarks about kidnapping and robbery scams in your local market, I'd still be wary.
– Charles E. Grant
Jul 4 '16 at 19:01
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up vote
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up vote
30
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Unless you are a prominent figure in your industry, legitimate job offers do not come via unsolicited email from strange companies you've never heard of. This has scam written all over it.
"we haven't heard anything about you either"
is clearly a lie, since they sent you an email. They at least knew your email address. This sounds like a scammer annoyed that the intended victim is asking sensible questions. I recommend having nothing more to do with this.
answered Jul 2 '16 at 18:34
Charles E. Grant
2,6791817
Unless you are a prominent figure in your industry, legitimate job offers do not come via unsolicited email from strange companies you've never heard of. This has scam written all over it.
"we haven't heard anything about you either"
is clearly a lie, since they sent you an email. They at least knew your email address. This sounds like a scammer annoyed that the intended victim is asking sensible questions. I recommend having nothing more to do with this.
answered Jul 2 '16 at 18:34
Charles E. Grant
2,6791817
answered Jul 2 '16 at 18:34
Charles E. Grant
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answered Jul 2 '16 at 18:34
Charles E. Grant
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answered Jul 2 '16 at 18:34
Charles E. Grant
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May not be a lie, likely they will have "aquired" a list of initial marks and won't know anything until they respond, but agree with the advice
– The Wandering Dev Manager
Jul 2 '16 at 19:47
I get unsolicited job offers to my personal e-mail occasionally from people that don't know me or what I do. Sometimes they find me on github and think I might know X or Y technology so they try their chance. It doesn't sound like a scam to me.
– ecc
Jul 4 '16 at 12:21
1
@ecc are those job offers, or invitations to talk to see if it would be a good fit?
– LindaJeanne
Jul 4 '16 at 12:30
I guess I would say it was the latter but OP didn't really specify. From what was written in the question, the scenario could basically be the same as mine.
– ecc
Jul 4 '16 at 12:38
3
In English, a "job offer" implies a firm commitment to hire you. As you can imagine, making a commitment to hire you without ever having met you, would be very unlikely for a legitimate company. However, It's beginning to sound more like they just sent you an invitation to apply, As @ecc writes, that does happen, particularly in markets with high demand for workers. However, given their sketchy web presence, negative reaction to your question, and your remarks about kidnapping and robbery scams in your local market, I'd still be wary.
– Charles E. Grant
Jul 4 '16 at 19:01
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May not be a lie, likely they will have "aquired" a list of initial marks and won't know anything until they respond, but agree with the advice
– The Wandering Dev Manager
Jul 2 '16 at 19:47
I get unsolicited job offers to my personal e-mail occasionally from people that don't know me or what I do. Sometimes they find me on github and think I might know X or Y technology so they try their chance. It doesn't sound like a scam to me.
– ecc
Jul 4 '16 at 12:21
1
@ecc are those job offers, or invitations to talk to see if it would be a good fit?
– LindaJeanne
Jul 4 '16 at 12:30
I guess I would say it was the latter but OP didn't really specify. From what was written in the question, the scenario could basically be the same as mine.
– ecc
Jul 4 '16 at 12:38
3
In English, a "job offer" implies a firm commitment to hire you. As you can imagine, making a commitment to hire you without ever having met you, would be very unlikely for a legitimate company. However, It's beginning to sound more like they just sent you an invitation to apply, As @ecc writes, that does happen, particularly in markets with high demand for workers. However, given their sketchy web presence, negative reaction to your question, and your remarks about kidnapping and robbery scams in your local market, I'd still be wary.
– Charles E. Grant
Jul 4 '16 at 19:01
May not be a lie, likely they will have "aquired" a list of initial marks and won't know anything until they respond, but agree with the advice
– The Wandering Dev Manager
Jul 2 '16 at 19:47
May not be a lie, likely they will have "aquired" a list of initial marks and won't know anything until they respond, but agree with the advice
– The Wandering Dev Manager
Jul 2 '16 at 19:47
I get unsolicited job offers to my personal e-mail occasionally from people that don't know me or what I do. Sometimes they find me on github and think I might know X or Y technology so they try their chance. It doesn't sound like a scam to me.
– ecc
Jul 4 '16 at 12:21
I get unsolicited job offers to my personal e-mail occasionally from people that don't know me or what I do. Sometimes they find me on github and think I might know X or Y technology so they try their chance. It doesn't sound like a scam to me.
– ecc
Jul 4 '16 at 12:21
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@ecc are those job offers, or invitations to talk to see if it would be a good fit?
– LindaJeanne
Jul 4 '16 at 12:30
@ecc are those job offers, or invitations to talk to see if it would be a good fit?
– LindaJeanne
Jul 4 '16 at 12:30
I guess I would say it was the latter but OP didn't really specify. From what was written in the question, the scenario could basically be the same as mine.
– ecc
Jul 4 '16 at 12:38
I guess I would say it was the latter but OP didn't really specify. From what was written in the question, the scenario could basically be the same as mine.
– ecc
Jul 4 '16 at 12:38
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In English, a "job offer" implies a firm commitment to hire you. As you can imagine, making a commitment to hire you without ever having met you, would be very unlikely for a legitimate company. However, It's beginning to sound more like they just sent you an invitation to apply, As @ecc writes, that does happen, particularly in markets with high demand for workers. However, given their sketchy web presence, negative reaction to your question, and your remarks about kidnapping and robbery scams in your local market, I'd still be wary.
– Charles E. Grant
Jul 4 '16 at 19:01
In English, a "job offer" implies a firm commitment to hire you. As you can imagine, making a commitment to hire you without ever having met you, would be very unlikely for a legitimate company. However, It's beginning to sound more like they just sent you an invitation to apply, As @ecc writes, that does happen, particularly in markets with high demand for workers. However, given their sketchy web presence, negative reaction to your question, and your remarks about kidnapping and robbery scams in your local market, I'd still be wary.
– Charles E. Grant
Jul 4 '16 at 19:01
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If it was a legitimate business, then they would know that nobody has heard of them, and their reply to you would be absolutely childish. Not a place where you would want to start a job. I would have asked the same question, and would have expected from a legitimate company with currently no visibility an explanation what they plan to do and how to make money from it. As a legitimate company, I would be worried if a potential employee wouldn't ask.
Most likely a scam.
answered Jul 2 '16 at 20:05
gnasher729
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If it was a legitimate business, then they would know that nobody has heard of them, and their reply to you would be absolutely childish. Not a place where you would want to start a job. I would have asked the same question, and would have expected from a legitimate company with currently no visibility an explanation what they plan to do and how to make money from it. As a legitimate company, I would be worried if a potential employee wouldn't ask.
Most likely a scam.
answered Jul 2 '16 at 20:05
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If it was a legitimate business, then they would know that nobody has heard of them, and their reply to you would be absolutely childish. Not a place where you would want to start a job. I would have asked the same question, and would have expected from a legitimate company with currently no visibility an explanation what they plan to do and how to make money from it. As a legitimate company, I would be worried if a potential employee wouldn't ask.
Most likely a scam.
answered Jul 2 '16 at 20:05
gnasher729
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If it was a legitimate business, then they would know that nobody has heard of them, and their reply to you would be absolutely childish. Not a place where you would want to start a job. I would have asked the same question, and would have expected from a legitimate company with currently no visibility an explanation what they plan to do and how to make money from it. As a legitimate company, I would be worried if a potential employee wouldn't ask.
Most likely a scam.
answered Jul 2 '16 at 20:05
gnasher729
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First red flag:
I received an email with a job-offer from a company
Getting an unsolicited job offer from an organisation you haven't applied to is really suspicious. Perhaps a contact to ask if you are interested in working for them yes, but a job offer? Not so much.
Second red flag:
..."a software and hardware development startup, and we haven't heard anything about you either."
So if they haven't heard of you, why or even how exactly did they send you a job offer?
Your actions were appropriate and professional. Walk away, this has scam written all over it.
answered Jul 3 '16 at 22:17
Jane S♦
40.8k16125159
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bonus red flag: "a software and hardware development startup"? Vague, much? Seems like an actual company would have a clearer idea of what they do. (If they didn't, they wouldn't last long)
– LindaJeanne
Jul 4 '16 at 12:27
@LindaJeanne I have shared a building with a startup that was exactly a "software and hardware development startup" (they built edge devices for networks, custom hardware and software), so it's not unheard of. Not common, but not that much of a red flag.
– Jane S♦
Jul 4 '16 at 14:16
2
if they described themselves as "building edge devices for networks, with custom hardware and software", then they weren't being anywhere near as vague as this company is with "software and hardware development startup".
– LindaJeanne
Jul 4 '16 at 19:08
3
Gotta agree. @Jane: if they couldn't be any more specific than that either their recruiter is incompetent or something else is wrong. It's not even as focused as the semi-apocryphal mission statement DEC came up with to get their first Lian.
– keshlam
Jul 5 '16 at 16:03
1
c/lian/loan/ in previous post.
– keshlam
Jul 5 '16 at 22:59
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down vote
First red flag:
I received an email with a job-offer from a company
Getting an unsolicited job offer from an organisation you haven't applied to is really suspicious. Perhaps a contact to ask if you are interested in working for them yes, but a job offer? Not so much.
Second red flag:
..."a software and hardware development startup, and we haven't heard anything about you either."
So if they haven't heard of you, why or even how exactly did they send you a job offer?
Your actions were appropriate and professional. Walk away, this has scam written all over it.
answered Jul 3 '16 at 22:17
Jane S♦
40.8k16125159
8
bonus red flag: "a software and hardware development startup"? Vague, much? Seems like an actual company would have a clearer idea of what they do. (If they didn't, they wouldn't last long)
– LindaJeanne
Jul 4 '16 at 12:27
@LindaJeanne I have shared a building with a startup that was exactly a "software and hardware development startup" (they built edge devices for networks, custom hardware and software), so it's not unheard of. Not common, but not that much of a red flag.
– Jane S♦
Jul 4 '16 at 14:16
2
if they described themselves as "building edge devices for networks, with custom hardware and software", then they weren't being anywhere near as vague as this company is with "software and hardware development startup".
– LindaJeanne
Jul 4 '16 at 19:08
3
Gotta agree. @Jane: if they couldn't be any more specific than that either their recruiter is incompetent or something else is wrong. It's not even as focused as the semi-apocryphal mission statement DEC came up with to get their first Lian.
– keshlam
Jul 5 '16 at 16:03
1
c/lian/loan/ in previous post.
– keshlam
Jul 5 '16 at 22:59
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up vote
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up vote
11
down vote
First red flag:
I received an email with a job-offer from a company
Getting an unsolicited job offer from an organisation you haven't applied to is really suspicious. Perhaps a contact to ask if you are interested in working for them yes, but a job offer? Not so much.
Second red flag:
..."a software and hardware development startup, and we haven't heard anything about you either."
So if they haven't heard of you, why or even how exactly did they send you a job offer?
Your actions were appropriate and professional. Walk away, this has scam written all over it.
answered Jul 3 '16 at 22:17
Jane S♦
40.8k16125159
First red flag:
I received an email with a job-offer from a company
Getting an unsolicited job offer from an organisation you haven't applied to is really suspicious. Perhaps a contact to ask if you are interested in working for them yes, but a job offer? Not so much.
Second red flag:
..."a software and hardware development startup, and we haven't heard anything about you either."
So if they haven't heard of you, why or even how exactly did they send you a job offer?
Your actions were appropriate and professional. Walk away, this has scam written all over it.
answered Jul 3 '16 at 22:17
Jane S♦
40.8k16125159
answered Jul 3 '16 at 22:17
Jane S♦
40.8k16125159
answered Jul 3 '16 at 22:17
Jane S♦
40.8k16125159
answered Jul 3 '16 at 22:17
Jane S♦
40.8k16125159
40.8k16125159
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bonus red flag: "a software and hardware development startup"? Vague, much? Seems like an actual company would have a clearer idea of what they do. (If they didn't, they wouldn't last long)
– LindaJeanne
Jul 4 '16 at 12:27
@LindaJeanne I have shared a building with a startup that was exactly a "software and hardware development startup" (they built edge devices for networks, custom hardware and software), so it's not unheard of. Not common, but not that much of a red flag.
– Jane S♦
Jul 4 '16 at 14:16
2
if they described themselves as "building edge devices for networks, with custom hardware and software", then they weren't being anywhere near as vague as this company is with "software and hardware development startup".
– LindaJeanne
Jul 4 '16 at 19:08
3
Gotta agree. @Jane: if they couldn't be any more specific than that either their recruiter is incompetent or something else is wrong. It's not even as focused as the semi-apocryphal mission statement DEC came up with to get their first Lian.
– keshlam
Jul 5 '16 at 16:03
1
c/lian/loan/ in previous post.
– keshlam
Jul 5 '16 at 22:59
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8
bonus red flag: "a software and hardware development startup"? Vague, much? Seems like an actual company would have a clearer idea of what they do. (If they didn't, they wouldn't last long)
– LindaJeanne
Jul 4 '16 at 12:27
@LindaJeanne I have shared a building with a startup that was exactly a "software and hardware development startup" (they built edge devices for networks, custom hardware and software), so it's not unheard of. Not common, but not that much of a red flag.
– Jane S♦
Jul 4 '16 at 14:16
2
if they described themselves as "building edge devices for networks, with custom hardware and software", then they weren't being anywhere near as vague as this company is with "software and hardware development startup".
– LindaJeanne
Jul 4 '16 at 19:08
3
Gotta agree. @Jane: if they couldn't be any more specific than that either their recruiter is incompetent or something else is wrong. It's not even as focused as the semi-apocryphal mission statement DEC came up with to get their first Lian.
– keshlam
Jul 5 '16 at 16:03
1
c/lian/loan/ in previous post.
– keshlam
Jul 5 '16 at 22:59
8
8
bonus red flag: "a software and hardware development startup"? Vague, much? Seems like an actual company would have a clearer idea of what they do. (If they didn't, they wouldn't last long)
– LindaJeanne
Jul 4 '16 at 12:27
bonus red flag: "a software and hardware development startup"? Vague, much? Seems like an actual company would have a clearer idea of what they do. (If they didn't, they wouldn't last long)
– LindaJeanne
Jul 4 '16 at 12:27
@LindaJeanne I have shared a building with a startup that was exactly a "software and hardware development startup" (they built edge devices for networks, custom hardware and software), so it's not unheard of. Not common, but not that much of a red flag.
– Jane S♦
Jul 4 '16 at 14:16
@LindaJeanne I have shared a building with a startup that was exactly a "software and hardware development startup" (they built edge devices for networks, custom hardware and software), so it's not unheard of. Not common, but not that much of a red flag.
– Jane S♦
Jul 4 '16 at 14:16
2
2
if they described themselves as "building edge devices for networks, with custom hardware and software", then they weren't being anywhere near as vague as this company is with "software and hardware development startup".
– LindaJeanne
Jul 4 '16 at 19:08
if they described themselves as "building edge devices for networks, with custom hardware and software", then they weren't being anywhere near as vague as this company is with "software and hardware development startup".
– LindaJeanne
Jul 4 '16 at 19:08
3
3
Gotta agree. @Jane: if they couldn't be any more specific than that either their recruiter is incompetent or something else is wrong. It's not even as focused as the semi-apocryphal mission statement DEC came up with to get their first Lian.
– keshlam
Jul 5 '16 at 16:03
Gotta agree. @Jane: if they couldn't be any more specific than that either their recruiter is incompetent or something else is wrong. It's not even as focused as the semi-apocryphal mission statement DEC came up with to get their first Lian.
– keshlam
Jul 5 '16 at 16:03
1
1
c/lian/loan/ in previous post.
– keshlam
Jul 5 '16 at 22:59
c/lian/loan/ in previous post.
– keshlam
Jul 5 '16 at 22:59
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I would have phrased my question a bit differently -- "I tried researching you but I wasn't my able to find anything meaningful. So who are you, how long have you existed, where's a trade journal article or three about you and your offerings, where's your web presence.." But I agree with others that their getting defensive rather than saying "oops" and spelling this out is a huge red flag.
answered Jul 3 '16 at 15:36
keshlam
41.5k1267144
1
For what it's worth, I made life rather unhappy for a recruiter who claimed to be offering me a CTO position... at a time in my career when I barely knew what a CTO might do. Remember that a cold caller is essentially a salesman knocking on your door; the profit may not be good, the deal may not be good, and it is not rude to say "not interested" and close the door.
– keshlam
Jul 5 '16 at 15:59
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down vote
I would have phrased my question a bit differently -- "I tried researching you but I wasn't my able to find anything meaningful. So who are you, how long have you existed, where's a trade journal article or three about you and your offerings, where's your web presence.." But I agree with others that their getting defensive rather than saying "oops" and spelling this out is a huge red flag.
answered Jul 3 '16 at 15:36
keshlam
41.5k1267144
1
For what it's worth, I made life rather unhappy for a recruiter who claimed to be offering me a CTO position... at a time in my career when I barely knew what a CTO might do. Remember that a cold caller is essentially a salesman knocking on your door; the profit may not be good, the deal may not be good, and it is not rude to say "not interested" and close the door.
– keshlam
Jul 5 '16 at 15:59
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up vote
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down vote
up vote
7
down vote
I would have phrased my question a bit differently -- "I tried researching you but I wasn't my able to find anything meaningful. So who are you, how long have you existed, where's a trade journal article or three about you and your offerings, where's your web presence.." But I agree with others that their getting defensive rather than saying "oops" and spelling this out is a huge red flag.
answered Jul 3 '16 at 15:36
keshlam
41.5k1267144
I would have phrased my question a bit differently -- "I tried researching you but I wasn't my able to find anything meaningful. So who are you, how long have you existed, where's a trade journal article or three about you and your offerings, where's your web presence.." But I agree with others that their getting defensive rather than saying "oops" and spelling this out is a huge red flag.
answered Jul 3 '16 at 15:36
keshlam
41.5k1267144
answered Jul 3 '16 at 15:36
keshlam
41.5k1267144
answered Jul 3 '16 at 15:36
keshlam
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answered Jul 3 '16 at 15:36
keshlam
41.5k1267144
41.5k1267144
1
For what it's worth, I made life rather unhappy for a recruiter who claimed to be offering me a CTO position... at a time in my career when I barely knew what a CTO might do. Remember that a cold caller is essentially a salesman knocking on your door; the profit may not be good, the deal may not be good, and it is not rude to say "not interested" and close the door.
– keshlam
Jul 5 '16 at 15:59
suggest improvements |Â
1
For what it's worth, I made life rather unhappy for a recruiter who claimed to be offering me a CTO position... at a time in my career when I barely knew what a CTO might do. Remember that a cold caller is essentially a salesman knocking on your door; the profit may not be good, the deal may not be good, and it is not rude to say "not interested" and close the door.
– keshlam
Jul 5 '16 at 15:59
1
1
For what it's worth, I made life rather unhappy for a recruiter who claimed to be offering me a CTO position... at a time in my career when I barely knew what a CTO might do. Remember that a cold caller is essentially a salesman knocking on your door; the profit may not be good, the deal may not be good, and it is not rude to say "not interested" and close the door.
– keshlam
Jul 5 '16 at 15:59
For what it's worth, I made life rather unhappy for a recruiter who claimed to be offering me a CTO position... at a time in my career when I barely knew what a CTO might do. Remember that a cold caller is essentially a salesman knocking on your door; the profit may not be good, the deal may not be good, and it is not rude to say "not interested" and close the door.
– keshlam
Jul 5 '16 at 15:59
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ouch. Don't contact them again -- you did nothing wrong and acted appropriately.
– mcknz
Jul 2 '16 at 18:42
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That response warranted further interest? If a company responds that way then you probably don't want to work there. Did you even interview with them or apply there? Needless to say, you are not going to get a "job" there. Move on.
– B1313
Jul 2 '16 at 20:48
1
"their webpage was in maintenance" - You can also try the Internet Archive (aka Wayback Machine) to see what they have previously published on their Web site. If they have never posted anything, that does not sound serious to me.
– Brandin
Jul 4 '16 at 8:49
1
Use WHOIS service (but use more than one, as not all give all available info) on their website url. You'll get some names and phones and addresses, etc etc. If you get a "Date registered: Yesterday" then you can send them to **** off right away.
– Ã˜Ã²Ã¾ ÃÂõôõò
Jul 4 '16 at 15:03
1
It may have been a scam, but the "offended personal response" tells me it's probably one or two guys that are remarkably impressed with their own mediocrity. A legit startup wants to stay "invisible" until they have a deliverable product, lest Google or Microsoft take a weekend to beat them to market once they see their idea is good.
– Wesley Long
Jul 4 '16 at 18:16