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From various literary examples it appears that I should manually 'bail' out the water to keep afloat but the automated water removal system in my vessel is a 'baling pump'.
While there is this, I cannot find any evidence that the present tense verb of 'to bail' is 'baling'.
'bale' may be an olde English of 'bail' but why would a factory keep producing 'baling pumps'? (see baling pump) ?
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From various literary examples it appears that I should manually 'bail' out the water to keep afloat but the automated water removal system in my vessel is a 'baling pump'.
While there is this, I cannot find any evidence that the present tense verb of 'to bail' is 'baling'.
'bale' may be an olde English of 'bail' but why would a factory keep producing 'baling pumps'? (see baling pump) ?
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I'm confused. The post that you link to indicates that both spellings, "bail" and "bale", are used for the verb, so I would expect that "bailing pump" and "baling pump" would both be used. How do the "various literary examples" of "baling pump" contradict this? It doesn't seem to be that difficult to find examples of the spelling "bailing pump": e.g. Google Books
– sumelic
4 hours ago
@Jeeped - perhaps you misread 'waste' as 'water'. You can't bale a liquid.
– AmI
3 hours ago
@AmI,then there would be no such thing as 'waste water'? I would think that in a sinking boat one might consider the water in the boat as 'waste' to be disposed of.
– Jeeped
2 hours ago
@sumelic, should I have included a circa in my inquiry?
– Jeeped
2 hours ago
Yes, but 'waste water' is still a liquid. Baling refers to tying, and you can't tie a liquid.
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From various literary examples it appears that I should manually 'bail' out the water to keep afloat but the automated water removal system in my vessel is a 'baling pump'.
While there is this, I cannot find any evidence that the present tense verb of 'to bail' is 'baling'.
'bale' may be an olde English of 'bail' but why would a factory keep producing 'baling pumps'? (see baling pump) ?
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From various literary examples it appears that I should manually 'bail' out the water to keep afloat but the automated water removal system in my vessel is a 'baling pump'.
While there is this, I cannot find any evidence that the present tense verb of 'to bail' is 'baling'.
'bale' may be an olde English of 'bail' but why would a factory keep producing 'baling pumps'? (see baling pump) ?
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I'm confused. The post that you link to indicates that both spellings, "bail" and "bale", are used for the verb, so I would expect that "bailing pump" and "baling pump" would both be used. How do the "various literary examples" of "baling pump" contradict this? It doesn't seem to be that difficult to find examples of the spelling "bailing pump": e.g. Google Books
– sumelic
4 hours ago
@Jeeped - perhaps you misread 'waste' as 'water'. You can't bale a liquid.
– AmI
3 hours ago
@AmI,then there would be no such thing as 'waste water'? I would think that in a sinking boat one might consider the water in the boat as 'waste' to be disposed of.
– Jeeped
2 hours ago
@sumelic, should I have included a circa in my inquiry?
– Jeeped
2 hours ago
Yes, but 'waste water' is still a liquid. Baling refers to tying, and you can't tie a liquid.
– AmI
2 hours ago
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I'm confused. The post that you link to indicates that both spellings, "bail" and "bale", are used for the verb, so I would expect that "bailing pump" and "baling pump" would both be used. How do the "various literary examples" of "baling pump" contradict this? It doesn't seem to be that difficult to find examples of the spelling "bailing pump": e.g. Google Books
– sumelic
4 hours ago
@Jeeped - perhaps you misread 'waste' as 'water'. You can't bale a liquid.
– AmI
3 hours ago
@AmI,then there would be no such thing as 'waste water'? I would think that in a sinking boat one might consider the water in the boat as 'waste' to be disposed of.
– Jeeped
2 hours ago
@sumelic, should I have included a circa in my inquiry?
– Jeeped
2 hours ago
Yes, but 'waste water' is still a liquid. Baling refers to tying, and you can't tie a liquid.
– AmI
2 hours ago
I'm confused. The post that you link to indicates that both spellings, "bail" and "bale", are used for the verb, so I would expect that "bailing pump" and "baling pump" would both be used. How do the "various literary examples" of "baling pump" contradict this? It doesn't seem to be that difficult to find examples of the spelling "bailing pump": e.g. Google Books
– sumelic
4 hours ago
I'm confused. The post that you link to indicates that both spellings, "bail" and "bale", are used for the verb, so I would expect that "bailing pump" and "baling pump" would both be used. How do the "various literary examples" of "baling pump" contradict this? It doesn't seem to be that difficult to find examples of the spelling "bailing pump": e.g. Google Books
– sumelic
4 hours ago
@Jeeped - perhaps you misread 'waste' as 'water'. You can't bale a liquid.
– AmI
3 hours ago
@Jeeped - perhaps you misread 'waste' as 'water'. You can't bale a liquid.
– AmI
3 hours ago
@AmI,then there would be no such thing as 'waste water'? I would think that in a sinking boat one might consider the water in the boat as 'waste' to be disposed of.
– Jeeped
2 hours ago
@AmI,then there would be no such thing as 'waste water'? I would think that in a sinking boat one might consider the water in the boat as 'waste' to be disposed of.
– Jeeped
2 hours ago
@sumelic, should I have included a circa in my inquiry?
– Jeeped
2 hours ago
@sumelic, should I have included a circa in my inquiry?
– Jeeped
2 hours ago
Yes, but 'waste water' is still a liquid. Baling refers to tying, and you can't tie a liquid.
– AmI
2 hours ago
Yes, but 'waste water' is still a liquid. Baling refers to tying, and you can't tie a liquid.
– AmI
2 hours ago
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The verb that means scooping water out of a boat is usually spelled "bail". However, the alternative spelling "bale" is also used by some writers. The "bale" spelling may be more common in the UK (the OED says bail is "Now often less correctly" spelled bale, who's etymology is an "erroneous spelling of bail"). The second spelling is not listed in all dictionaries (e.g. Merriam-Webster only has bail), so always using "bail" may be a safer pick, especially in the American English.
While either spelling is likely to be understood given a nautical context, a specific person is not likely to mix them together. If you use the base spelling "bail", then you should use "bailing" as the gerund form. If you prefer "bale", you'd use "baling". You should not write "bail" and "baling" together.
There are other verbs spelled "bail" (get somebody out of jail) and "bale" (form into a bale or bundle). If you're searching for uses of the first verb (referring to boats), you may find a lot of uses of these other verbs, so you should be careful in interpreting your results. Your search for "Baling pump" for instance, seems to turn up a lot of references to hydraulic pumps involved in "baling" machines which are used to create bales of things like straw or cardboard, not to pump water overboard on a boat.
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None of the images are connected with the action of bailing water out of a ship or boat. They are baling machines connected with bale (n, v).
Bale (Transitive verb): : to make up into a bale.
Bale (noun, sense 2): a large bundle of goods.
(M-W Dictionary)
The baling machines ('*pumps') are the machines used in making things into bales.
When we click on one of your attached pictures, it leads us to the following picture and explanations.
answered 3 hours ago
mahmud koya
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re: 'None of the images are connected with the action of bailing water out of a ship or boat.' - Sorry, I didn't post any images. I linked to a simple browser query that resolved (for me) to a Top 10 of water removal pumps from my own google-geo-location. If you received different results, then I would suggest you perform your own search and offer your search criteria up as evidence. If 'baling' can infer to 'remove waste' then that may be the answer to my inquiry.
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The verb that means scooping water out of a boat is usually spelled "bail". However, the alternative spelling "bale" is also used by some writers. The "bale" spelling may be more common in the UK (the OED says bail is "Now often less correctly" spelled bale, who's etymology is an "erroneous spelling of bail"). The second spelling is not listed in all dictionaries (e.g. Merriam-Webster only has bail), so always using "bail" may be a safer pick, especially in the American English.
While either spelling is likely to be understood given a nautical context, a specific person is not likely to mix them together. If you use the base spelling "bail", then you should use "bailing" as the gerund form. If you prefer "bale", you'd use "baling". You should not write "bail" and "baling" together.
There are other verbs spelled "bail" (get somebody out of jail) and "bale" (form into a bale or bundle). If you're searching for uses of the first verb (referring to boats), you may find a lot of uses of these other verbs, so you should be careful in interpreting your results. Your search for "Baling pump" for instance, seems to turn up a lot of references to hydraulic pumps involved in "baling" machines which are used to create bales of things like straw or cardboard, not to pump water overboard on a boat.
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The verb that means scooping water out of a boat is usually spelled "bail". However, the alternative spelling "bale" is also used by some writers. The "bale" spelling may be more common in the UK (the OED says bail is "Now often less correctly" spelled bale, who's etymology is an "erroneous spelling of bail"). The second spelling is not listed in all dictionaries (e.g. Merriam-Webster only has bail), so always using "bail" may be a safer pick, especially in the American English.
While either spelling is likely to be understood given a nautical context, a specific person is not likely to mix them together. If you use the base spelling "bail", then you should use "bailing" as the gerund form. If you prefer "bale", you'd use "baling". You should not write "bail" and "baling" together.
There are other verbs spelled "bail" (get somebody out of jail) and "bale" (form into a bale or bundle). If you're searching for uses of the first verb (referring to boats), you may find a lot of uses of these other verbs, so you should be careful in interpreting your results. Your search for "Baling pump" for instance, seems to turn up a lot of references to hydraulic pumps involved in "baling" machines which are used to create bales of things like straw or cardboard, not to pump water overboard on a boat.
answered 1 hour ago
Blckknght
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The verb that means scooping water out of a boat is usually spelled "bail". However, the alternative spelling "bale" is also used by some writers. The "bale" spelling may be more common in the UK (the OED says bail is "Now often less correctly" spelled bale, who's etymology is an "erroneous spelling of bail"). The second spelling is not listed in all dictionaries (e.g. Merriam-Webster only has bail), so always using "bail" may be a safer pick, especially in the American English.
While either spelling is likely to be understood given a nautical context, a specific person is not likely to mix them together. If you use the base spelling "bail", then you should use "bailing" as the gerund form. If you prefer "bale", you'd use "baling". You should not write "bail" and "baling" together.
There are other verbs spelled "bail" (get somebody out of jail) and "bale" (form into a bale or bundle). If you're searching for uses of the first verb (referring to boats), you may find a lot of uses of these other verbs, so you should be careful in interpreting your results. Your search for "Baling pump" for instance, seems to turn up a lot of references to hydraulic pumps involved in "baling" machines which are used to create bales of things like straw or cardboard, not to pump water overboard on a boat.
answered 1 hour ago
Blckknght
34816
The verb that means scooping water out of a boat is usually spelled "bail". However, the alternative spelling "bale" is also used by some writers. The "bale" spelling may be more common in the UK (the OED says bail is "Now often less correctly" spelled bale, who's etymology is an "erroneous spelling of bail"). The second spelling is not listed in all dictionaries (e.g. Merriam-Webster only has bail), so always using "bail" may be a safer pick, especially in the American English.
While either spelling is likely to be understood given a nautical context, a specific person is not likely to mix them together. If you use the base spelling "bail", then you should use "bailing" as the gerund form. If you prefer "bale", you'd use "baling". You should not write "bail" and "baling" together.
There are other verbs spelled "bail" (get somebody out of jail) and "bale" (form into a bale or bundle). If you're searching for uses of the first verb (referring to boats), you may find a lot of uses of these other verbs, so you should be careful in interpreting your results. Your search for "Baling pump" for instance, seems to turn up a lot of references to hydraulic pumps involved in "baling" machines which are used to create bales of things like straw or cardboard, not to pump water overboard on a boat.
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None of the images are connected with the action of bailing water out of a ship or boat. They are baling machines connected with bale (n, v).
Bale (Transitive verb): : to make up into a bale.
Bale (noun, sense 2): a large bundle of goods.
(M-W Dictionary)
The baling machines ('*pumps') are the machines used in making things into bales.
When we click on one of your attached pictures, it leads us to the following picture and explanations.
answered 3 hours ago
mahmud koya
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re: 'None of the images are connected with the action of bailing water out of a ship or boat.' - Sorry, I didn't post any images. I linked to a simple browser query that resolved (for me) to a Top 10 of water removal pumps from my own google-geo-location. If you received different results, then I would suggest you perform your own search and offer your search criteria up as evidence. If 'baling' can infer to 'remove waste' then that may be the answer to my inquiry.
– Jeeped
3 hours ago
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None of the images are connected with the action of bailing water out of a ship or boat. They are baling machines connected with bale (n, v).
Bale (Transitive verb): : to make up into a bale.
Bale (noun, sense 2): a large bundle of goods.
(M-W Dictionary)
The baling machines ('*pumps') are the machines used in making things into bales.
When we click on one of your attached pictures, it leads us to the following picture and explanations.
answered 3 hours ago
mahmud koya
6,5074622
re: 'None of the images are connected with the action of bailing water out of a ship or boat.' - Sorry, I didn't post any images. I linked to a simple browser query that resolved (for me) to a Top 10 of water removal pumps from my own google-geo-location. If you received different results, then I would suggest you perform your own search and offer your search criteria up as evidence. If 'baling' can infer to 'remove waste' then that may be the answer to my inquiry.
– Jeeped
3 hours ago
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None of the images are connected with the action of bailing water out of a ship or boat. They are baling machines connected with bale (n, v).
Bale (Transitive verb): : to make up into a bale.
Bale (noun, sense 2): a large bundle of goods.
(M-W Dictionary)
The baling machines ('*pumps') are the machines used in making things into bales.
When we click on one of your attached pictures, it leads us to the following picture and explanations.
answered 3 hours ago
mahmud koya
6,5074622
None of the images are connected with the action of bailing water out of a ship or boat. They are baling machines connected with bale (n, v).
Bale (Transitive verb): : to make up into a bale.
Bale (noun, sense 2): a large bundle of goods.
(M-W Dictionary)
The baling machines ('*pumps') are the machines used in making things into bales.
When we click on one of your attached pictures, it leads us to the following picture and explanations.
answered 3 hours ago
mahmud koya
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answered 3 hours ago
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answered 3 hours ago
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re: 'None of the images are connected with the action of bailing water out of a ship or boat.' - Sorry, I didn't post any images. I linked to a simple browser query that resolved (for me) to a Top 10 of water removal pumps from my own google-geo-location. If you received different results, then I would suggest you perform your own search and offer your search criteria up as evidence. If 'baling' can infer to 'remove waste' then that may be the answer to my inquiry.
– Jeeped
3 hours ago
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re: 'None of the images are connected with the action of bailing water out of a ship or boat.' - Sorry, I didn't post any images. I linked to a simple browser query that resolved (for me) to a Top 10 of water removal pumps from my own google-geo-location. If you received different results, then I would suggest you perform your own search and offer your search criteria up as evidence. If 'baling' can infer to 'remove waste' then that may be the answer to my inquiry.
– Jeeped
3 hours ago
re: 'None of the images are connected with the action of bailing water out of a ship or boat.' - Sorry, I didn't post any images. I linked to a simple browser query that resolved (for me) to a Top 10 of water removal pumps from my own google-geo-location. If you received different results, then I would suggest you perform your own search and offer your search criteria up as evidence. If 'baling' can infer to 'remove waste' then that may be the answer to my inquiry.
– Jeeped
3 hours ago
re: 'None of the images are connected with the action of bailing water out of a ship or boat.' - Sorry, I didn't post any images. I linked to a simple browser query that resolved (for me) to a Top 10 of water removal pumps from my own google-geo-location. If you received different results, then I would suggest you perform your own search and offer your search criteria up as evidence. If 'baling' can infer to 'remove waste' then that may be the answer to my inquiry.
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I'm confused. The post that you link to indicates that both spellings, "bail" and "bale", are used for the verb, so I would expect that "bailing pump" and "baling pump" would both be used. How do the "various literary examples" of "baling pump" contradict this? It doesn't seem to be that difficult to find examples of the spelling "bailing pump": e.g. Google Books
– sumelic
4 hours ago
@Jeeped - perhaps you misread 'waste' as 'water'. You can't bale a liquid.
– AmI
3 hours ago
@AmI,then there would be no such thing as 'waste water'? I would think that in a sinking boat one might consider the water in the boat as 'waste' to be disposed of.
– Jeeped
2 hours ago
@sumelic, should I have included a circa in my inquiry?
– Jeeped
2 hours ago
Yes, but 'waste water' is still a liquid. Baling refers to tying, and you can't tie a liquid.
– AmI
2 hours ago