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I currently have an inexpensive 4k Seiki tv as a monitor. I recently have sent prints to Costco and the color and brightness are way off. Do I need to buy a photo editing monitor if I want to get the quality of color and bightness to match in a photgraphic print? Does anyone know if the BenQ 2700PT would do the job out of the box or some other less expensive recomendation could? Or do I need to buy a color calibration product as well as a new monitor? Any suggestions? I normally do not do a lot of prints but I do have a few I would like to have enlarged if I can get them to look pretty close to my edited images.
Thanks in advance (Hobbyist Bob)
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I currently have an inexpensive 4k Seiki tv as a monitor. I recently have sent prints to Costco and the color and brightness are way off. Do I need to buy a photo editing monitor if I want to get the quality of color and bightness to match in a photgraphic print? Does anyone know if the BenQ 2700PT would do the job out of the box or some other less expensive recomendation could? Or do I need to buy a color calibration product as well as a new monitor? Any suggestions? I normally do not do a lot of prints but I do have a few I would like to have enlarged if I can get them to look pretty close to my edited images.
Thanks in advance (Hobbyist Bob)
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If you're not doing a ton of prints, try finding a good lab (mpix?) that'll do color for you. Get it as close as you can and they'll do the rest.
– Hueco
5 hours ago
But @Hueco, the whole point of colour management is that each step of the way must be profiled/calibrated. If editing is performed on an uncalibrated monitor, no lab can (with any reliability) match output to how the image appears on that monitor. Swtiching from Costco to Mpix wouldn't make any difference.
– osullic
4 hours ago
@osullic I could be wrong, sure, but some monitors stock aren't too bad. IMO, it's just not worth the expense if you only produce a limited amount of prints.
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1 hour ago
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I currently have an inexpensive 4k Seiki tv as a monitor. I recently have sent prints to Costco and the color and brightness are way off. Do I need to buy a photo editing monitor if I want to get the quality of color and bightness to match in a photgraphic print? Does anyone know if the BenQ 2700PT would do the job out of the box or some other less expensive recomendation could? Or do I need to buy a color calibration product as well as a new monitor? Any suggestions? I normally do not do a lot of prints but I do have a few I would like to have enlarged if I can get them to look pretty close to my edited images.
Thanks in advance (Hobbyist Bob)
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I currently have an inexpensive 4k Seiki tv as a monitor. I recently have sent prints to Costco and the color and brightness are way off. Do I need to buy a photo editing monitor if I want to get the quality of color and bightness to match in a photgraphic print? Does anyone know if the BenQ 2700PT would do the job out of the box or some other less expensive recomendation could? Or do I need to buy a color calibration product as well as a new monitor? Any suggestions? I normally do not do a lot of prints but I do have a few I would like to have enlarged if I can get them to look pretty close to my edited images.
Thanks in advance (Hobbyist Bob)
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If you're not doing a ton of prints, try finding a good lab (mpix?) that'll do color for you. Get it as close as you can and they'll do the rest.
– Hueco
5 hours ago
But @Hueco, the whole point of colour management is that each step of the way must be profiled/calibrated. If editing is performed on an uncalibrated monitor, no lab can (with any reliability) match output to how the image appears on that monitor. Swtiching from Costco to Mpix wouldn't make any difference.
– osullic
4 hours ago
@osullic I could be wrong, sure, but some monitors stock aren't too bad. IMO, it's just not worth the expense if you only produce a limited amount of prints.
– Hueco
1 hour ago
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If you're not doing a ton of prints, try finding a good lab (mpix?) that'll do color for you. Get it as close as you can and they'll do the rest.
– Hueco
5 hours ago
But @Hueco, the whole point of colour management is that each step of the way must be profiled/calibrated. If editing is performed on an uncalibrated monitor, no lab can (with any reliability) match output to how the image appears on that monitor. Swtiching from Costco to Mpix wouldn't make any difference.
– osullic
4 hours ago
@osullic I could be wrong, sure, but some monitors stock aren't too bad. IMO, it's just not worth the expense if you only produce a limited amount of prints.
– Hueco
1 hour ago
If you're not doing a ton of prints, try finding a good lab (mpix?) that'll do color for you. Get it as close as you can and they'll do the rest.
– Hueco
5 hours ago
If you're not doing a ton of prints, try finding a good lab (mpix?) that'll do color for you. Get it as close as you can and they'll do the rest.
– Hueco
5 hours ago
But @Hueco, the whole point of colour management is that each step of the way must be profiled/calibrated. If editing is performed on an uncalibrated monitor, no lab can (with any reliability) match output to how the image appears on that monitor. Swtiching from Costco to Mpix wouldn't make any difference.
– osullic
4 hours ago
But @Hueco, the whole point of colour management is that each step of the way must be profiled/calibrated. If editing is performed on an uncalibrated monitor, no lab can (with any reliability) match output to how the image appears on that monitor. Swtiching from Costco to Mpix wouldn't make any difference.
– osullic
4 hours ago
@osullic I could be wrong, sure, but some monitors stock aren't too bad. IMO, it's just not worth the expense if you only produce a limited amount of prints.
– Hueco
1 hour ago
@osullic I could be wrong, sure, but some monitors stock aren't too bad. IMO, it's just not worth the expense if you only produce a limited amount of prints.
– Hueco
1 hour ago
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- You definitely need a color calibrator. There's no way to even get close to matching output without one.
- But note that you're only going to get kinda similar. Monitors and prints are inherently different.
- You don't necessarily need a better monitor, but a cheap TV is likely to not cover the range of colors in a print very closely, making things harder.
- A TV may be harder to calibrate than a monitor — especially, a cheap one may not offer useful color adjustments.
- If color fidelity is important to you, you probably want to choose a higher-end photo lab rather than a big-box retailer. The latter will optimize for family photos that give a "wow!" impression, rather than accuracy.
answered 6 hours ago
mattdm
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It looks like Costco offers printer profiles for download on their website.
– null
6 hours ago
Thanks for the response. I guess I need a decent monitor and a color calibration device as well then. Costco is not the problem since others (some pro's) have had great images from there. I just need to now figure on the best products for the best price. Thanks
– Kodiak
6 hours ago
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To obtain consistent results, you should color calibrate your output devices and use a print service for which color correction profiles are available. Dry Creek Photo privides ICC profiles for print services, including many Costco locations.
Rather than buying new equipment, I'd suggest going through several recalibration-usage cycles over several months. This way, you can learn:
- How to calibrate and recalibrate your devices.
- What to expect from calibration.
- What the real limits of your equipment are.
- What to look for should you decide to buy new equipment.
The more accurate the calibration, the more involved the process, and the more frequent recalibration, will need to be. However, getting exact shades of colors usually isn't that important if you're intended outputs are primarily digital, where most people viewing your work will not have calibrated monitors.
The main points of calibration are white balance, gamma, and brightness. If you can get these right, you should be able to get satisfactory output from most print services. (Use sRGB, and disable auto-adjustments when ordering.)
A problem you will likely encounter while attempting to calibrate LCD displays is viewing angle changes the "gamma". This is particularly noticeable on large screens where the viewing angle from edge to edge differs drastically. Calibrate the center as well as you can for orthogonal viewing. Then when more critical evaluation is necessary, take a few steps back.
answered 6 hours ago
xiota
6,41921246
yeah I got this monitor for work and now that I have retired I wanted to get back to an old hobby. But digital stuff is new to me and I am having a kind of hard time figuring out what I best need and a fair price. Thanks
– Kodiak
6 hours ago
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The issue of getting the same colours in your prints as you see on screen relates to "colour management".
The two key points are:
- Use a calibrated monitor. You will need a hardware calibration device, such as those from Datacolor or X-Rite. If you really want to do this properly, it's best to get a monitor that is designed for accurate colour work. I like Eizo monitors.
- Use colour profiles throughout your workflow. This means that your editing software must respect the colour profile embedded in your digital images. You edit the images how you want them to look, and then (if necessary) you convert them to a colour profile supported by the printer (Costco). Use soft-proofing to preview how the images will appear when printed.
answered 4 hours ago
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3 Answers
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active
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up vote
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- You definitely need a color calibrator. There's no way to even get close to matching output without one.
- But note that you're only going to get kinda similar. Monitors and prints are inherently different.
- You don't necessarily need a better monitor, but a cheap TV is likely to not cover the range of colors in a print very closely, making things harder.
- A TV may be harder to calibrate than a monitor — especially, a cheap one may not offer useful color adjustments.
- If color fidelity is important to you, you probably want to choose a higher-end photo lab rather than a big-box retailer. The latter will optimize for family photos that give a "wow!" impression, rather than accuracy.
answered 6 hours ago
mattdm
116k37339630
It looks like Costco offers printer profiles for download on their website.
– null
6 hours ago
Thanks for the response. I guess I need a decent monitor and a color calibration device as well then. Costco is not the problem since others (some pro's) have had great images from there. I just need to now figure on the best products for the best price. Thanks
– Kodiak
6 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
- You definitely need a color calibrator. There's no way to even get close to matching output without one.
- But note that you're only going to get kinda similar. Monitors and prints are inherently different.
- You don't necessarily need a better monitor, but a cheap TV is likely to not cover the range of colors in a print very closely, making things harder.
- A TV may be harder to calibrate than a monitor — especially, a cheap one may not offer useful color adjustments.
- If color fidelity is important to you, you probably want to choose a higher-end photo lab rather than a big-box retailer. The latter will optimize for family photos that give a "wow!" impression, rather than accuracy.
answered 6 hours ago
mattdm
116k37339630
It looks like Costco offers printer profiles for download on their website.
– null
6 hours ago
Thanks for the response. I guess I need a decent monitor and a color calibration device as well then. Costco is not the problem since others (some pro's) have had great images from there. I just need to now figure on the best products for the best price. Thanks
– Kodiak
6 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
up vote
2
down vote
- You definitely need a color calibrator. There's no way to even get close to matching output without one.
- But note that you're only going to get kinda similar. Monitors and prints are inherently different.
- You don't necessarily need a better monitor, but a cheap TV is likely to not cover the range of colors in a print very closely, making things harder.
- A TV may be harder to calibrate than a monitor — especially, a cheap one may not offer useful color adjustments.
- If color fidelity is important to you, you probably want to choose a higher-end photo lab rather than a big-box retailer. The latter will optimize for family photos that give a "wow!" impression, rather than accuracy.
answered 6 hours ago
mattdm
116k37339630
- You definitely need a color calibrator. There's no way to even get close to matching output without one.
- But note that you're only going to get kinda similar. Monitors and prints are inherently different.
- You don't necessarily need a better monitor, but a cheap TV is likely to not cover the range of colors in a print very closely, making things harder.
- A TV may be harder to calibrate than a monitor — especially, a cheap one may not offer useful color adjustments.
- If color fidelity is important to you, you probably want to choose a higher-end photo lab rather than a big-box retailer. The latter will optimize for family photos that give a "wow!" impression, rather than accuracy.
answered 6 hours ago
mattdm
116k37339630
answered 6 hours ago
mattdm
116k37339630
answered 6 hours ago
mattdm
116k37339630
answered 6 hours ago
mattdm
116k37339630
116k37339630
It looks like Costco offers printer profiles for download on their website.
– null
6 hours ago
Thanks for the response. I guess I need a decent monitor and a color calibration device as well then. Costco is not the problem since others (some pro's) have had great images from there. I just need to now figure on the best products for the best price. Thanks
– Kodiak
6 hours ago
add a comment |Â
It looks like Costco offers printer profiles for download on their website.
– null
6 hours ago
Thanks for the response. I guess I need a decent monitor and a color calibration device as well then. Costco is not the problem since others (some pro's) have had great images from there. I just need to now figure on the best products for the best price. Thanks
– Kodiak
6 hours ago
It looks like Costco offers printer profiles for download on their website.
– null
6 hours ago
It looks like Costco offers printer profiles for download on their website.
– null
6 hours ago
Thanks for the response. I guess I need a decent monitor and a color calibration device as well then. Costco is not the problem since others (some pro's) have had great images from there. I just need to now figure on the best products for the best price. Thanks
– Kodiak
6 hours ago
Thanks for the response. I guess I need a decent monitor and a color calibration device as well then. Costco is not the problem since others (some pro's) have had great images from there. I just need to now figure on the best products for the best price. Thanks
– Kodiak
6 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
To obtain consistent results, you should color calibrate your output devices and use a print service for which color correction profiles are available. Dry Creek Photo privides ICC profiles for print services, including many Costco locations.
Rather than buying new equipment, I'd suggest going through several recalibration-usage cycles over several months. This way, you can learn:
- How to calibrate and recalibrate your devices.
- What to expect from calibration.
- What the real limits of your equipment are.
- What to look for should you decide to buy new equipment.
The more accurate the calibration, the more involved the process, and the more frequent recalibration, will need to be. However, getting exact shades of colors usually isn't that important if you're intended outputs are primarily digital, where most people viewing your work will not have calibrated monitors.
The main points of calibration are white balance, gamma, and brightness. If you can get these right, you should be able to get satisfactory output from most print services. (Use sRGB, and disable auto-adjustments when ordering.)
A problem you will likely encounter while attempting to calibrate LCD displays is viewing angle changes the "gamma". This is particularly noticeable on large screens where the viewing angle from edge to edge differs drastically. Calibrate the center as well as you can for orthogonal viewing. Then when more critical evaluation is necessary, take a few steps back.
answered 6 hours ago
xiota
6,41921246
yeah I got this monitor for work and now that I have retired I wanted to get back to an old hobby. But digital stuff is new to me and I am having a kind of hard time figuring out what I best need and a fair price. Thanks
– Kodiak
6 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
To obtain consistent results, you should color calibrate your output devices and use a print service for which color correction profiles are available. Dry Creek Photo privides ICC profiles for print services, including many Costco locations.
Rather than buying new equipment, I'd suggest going through several recalibration-usage cycles over several months. This way, you can learn:
- How to calibrate and recalibrate your devices.
- What to expect from calibration.
- What the real limits of your equipment are.
- What to look for should you decide to buy new equipment.
The more accurate the calibration, the more involved the process, and the more frequent recalibration, will need to be. However, getting exact shades of colors usually isn't that important if you're intended outputs are primarily digital, where most people viewing your work will not have calibrated monitors.
The main points of calibration are white balance, gamma, and brightness. If you can get these right, you should be able to get satisfactory output from most print services. (Use sRGB, and disable auto-adjustments when ordering.)
A problem you will likely encounter while attempting to calibrate LCD displays is viewing angle changes the "gamma". This is particularly noticeable on large screens where the viewing angle from edge to edge differs drastically. Calibrate the center as well as you can for orthogonal viewing. Then when more critical evaluation is necessary, take a few steps back.
answered 6 hours ago
xiota
6,41921246
yeah I got this monitor for work and now that I have retired I wanted to get back to an old hobby. But digital stuff is new to me and I am having a kind of hard time figuring out what I best need and a fair price. Thanks
– Kodiak
6 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
To obtain consistent results, you should color calibrate your output devices and use a print service for which color correction profiles are available. Dry Creek Photo privides ICC profiles for print services, including many Costco locations.
Rather than buying new equipment, I'd suggest going through several recalibration-usage cycles over several months. This way, you can learn:
- How to calibrate and recalibrate your devices.
- What to expect from calibration.
- What the real limits of your equipment are.
- What to look for should you decide to buy new equipment.
The more accurate the calibration, the more involved the process, and the more frequent recalibration, will need to be. However, getting exact shades of colors usually isn't that important if you're intended outputs are primarily digital, where most people viewing your work will not have calibrated monitors.
The main points of calibration are white balance, gamma, and brightness. If you can get these right, you should be able to get satisfactory output from most print services. (Use sRGB, and disable auto-adjustments when ordering.)
A problem you will likely encounter while attempting to calibrate LCD displays is viewing angle changes the "gamma". This is particularly noticeable on large screens where the viewing angle from edge to edge differs drastically. Calibrate the center as well as you can for orthogonal viewing. Then when more critical evaluation is necessary, take a few steps back.
answered 6 hours ago
xiota
6,41921246
To obtain consistent results, you should color calibrate your output devices and use a print service for which color correction profiles are available. Dry Creek Photo privides ICC profiles for print services, including many Costco locations.
Rather than buying new equipment, I'd suggest going through several recalibration-usage cycles over several months. This way, you can learn:
- How to calibrate and recalibrate your devices.
- What to expect from calibration.
- What the real limits of your equipment are.
- What to look for should you decide to buy new equipment.
The more accurate the calibration, the more involved the process, and the more frequent recalibration, will need to be. However, getting exact shades of colors usually isn't that important if you're intended outputs are primarily digital, where most people viewing your work will not have calibrated monitors.
The main points of calibration are white balance, gamma, and brightness. If you can get these right, you should be able to get satisfactory output from most print services. (Use sRGB, and disable auto-adjustments when ordering.)
A problem you will likely encounter while attempting to calibrate LCD displays is viewing angle changes the "gamma". This is particularly noticeable on large screens where the viewing angle from edge to edge differs drastically. Calibrate the center as well as you can for orthogonal viewing. Then when more critical evaluation is necessary, take a few steps back.
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yeah I got this monitor for work and now that I have retired I wanted to get back to an old hobby. But digital stuff is new to me and I am having a kind of hard time figuring out what I best need and a fair price. Thanks
– Kodiak
6 hours ago
add a comment |Â
yeah I got this monitor for work and now that I have retired I wanted to get back to an old hobby. But digital stuff is new to me and I am having a kind of hard time figuring out what I best need and a fair price. Thanks
– Kodiak
6 hours ago
yeah I got this monitor for work and now that I have retired I wanted to get back to an old hobby. But digital stuff is new to me and I am having a kind of hard time figuring out what I best need and a fair price. Thanks
– Kodiak
6 hours ago
yeah I got this monitor for work and now that I have retired I wanted to get back to an old hobby. But digital stuff is new to me and I am having a kind of hard time figuring out what I best need and a fair price. Thanks
– Kodiak
6 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
The issue of getting the same colours in your prints as you see on screen relates to "colour management".
The two key points are:
- Use a calibrated monitor. You will need a hardware calibration device, such as those from Datacolor or X-Rite. If you really want to do this properly, it's best to get a monitor that is designed for accurate colour work. I like Eizo monitors.
- Use colour profiles throughout your workflow. This means that your editing software must respect the colour profile embedded in your digital images. You edit the images how you want them to look, and then (if necessary) you convert them to a colour profile supported by the printer (Costco). Use soft-proofing to preview how the images will appear when printed.
answered 4 hours ago
osullic
5,28811021
add a comment |Â
up vote
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down vote
The issue of getting the same colours in your prints as you see on screen relates to "colour management".
The two key points are:
- Use a calibrated monitor. You will need a hardware calibration device, such as those from Datacolor or X-Rite. If you really want to do this properly, it's best to get a monitor that is designed for accurate colour work. I like Eizo monitors.
- Use colour profiles throughout your workflow. This means that your editing software must respect the colour profile embedded in your digital images. You edit the images how you want them to look, and then (if necessary) you convert them to a colour profile supported by the printer (Costco). Use soft-proofing to preview how the images will appear when printed.
answered 4 hours ago
osullic
5,28811021
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up vote
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The issue of getting the same colours in your prints as you see on screen relates to "colour management".
The two key points are:
- Use a calibrated monitor. You will need a hardware calibration device, such as those from Datacolor or X-Rite. If you really want to do this properly, it's best to get a monitor that is designed for accurate colour work. I like Eizo monitors.
- Use colour profiles throughout your workflow. This means that your editing software must respect the colour profile embedded in your digital images. You edit the images how you want them to look, and then (if necessary) you convert them to a colour profile supported by the printer (Costco). Use soft-proofing to preview how the images will appear when printed.
answered 4 hours ago
osullic
5,28811021
The issue of getting the same colours in your prints as you see on screen relates to "colour management".
The two key points are:
- Use a calibrated monitor. You will need a hardware calibration device, such as those from Datacolor or X-Rite. If you really want to do this properly, it's best to get a monitor that is designed for accurate colour work. I like Eizo monitors.
- Use colour profiles throughout your workflow. This means that your editing software must respect the colour profile embedded in your digital images. You edit the images how you want them to look, and then (if necessary) you convert them to a colour profile supported by the printer (Costco). Use soft-proofing to preview how the images will appear when printed.
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If you're not doing a ton of prints, try finding a good lab (mpix?) that'll do color for you. Get it as close as you can and they'll do the rest.
– Hueco
5 hours ago
But @Hueco, the whole point of colour management is that each step of the way must be profiled/calibrated. If editing is performed on an uncalibrated monitor, no lab can (with any reliability) match output to how the image appears on that monitor. Swtiching from Costco to Mpix wouldn't make any difference.
– osullic
4 hours ago
@osullic I could be wrong, sure, but some monitors stock aren't too bad. IMO, it's just not worth the expense if you only produce a limited amount of prints.
– Hueco
1 hour ago