How to vertically space all-caps lines with accented characters like circumflexes

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I'm trying to lay out a block of several lines of all-caps copy. I want the lines to be evenly spaced. However when letters such as Ô and È are included in a line, they "collide" with the preceding row.

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Are there any rules of thumb for handling this?

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I'm trying to lay out a block of several lines of all-caps copy. I want the lines to be evenly spaced. However when letters such as Ô and È are included in a line, they "collide" with the preceding row.

Here's a quick example:

Are there any rules of thumb for handling this?

typography typesetting

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I'm trying to lay out a block of several lines of all-caps copy. I want the lines to be evenly spaced. However when letters such as Ô and È are included in a line, they "collide" with the preceding row.

Here's a quick example:

Are there any rules of thumb for handling this?

typography typesetting

share|improve this question

asked Aug 31 at 10:07

James

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I'm trying to lay out a block of several lines of all-caps copy. I want the lines to be evenly spaced. However when letters such as Ô and È are included in a line, they "collide" with the preceding row.

Here's a quick example:

Are there any rules of thumb for handling this?

typography typesetting

share|improve this question

asked Aug 31 at 10:07

James

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asked Aug 31 at 10:07

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asked Aug 31 at 10:07

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In some cases, for example, in publications headlines with a colored background close to the text limits, the height of the accented letter is reduced. As far as I know, it's the only one rule.

In highlighted texts such as the one in question, if the space between text lines has the same distance/height, what in different text sizes it is not the same leading; the equality between the separations creates a repetition pattern optically stronger than the proximity between accents and letters.

Try fixing your text with this optical adjustment, taking as a reference the largest line spacing.

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answered Aug 31 at 11:03

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  Thank you very much for such a helpful answer. I originally tried reducing the size of the accented characters but it looked "odd" so thought I'd ask the question here. I'll certainly sort out the leading (interlinear spacing) per your suggestion...it's a mess as a result of quickly using the "distribute" alignment function :-)
  – James
  Aug 31 at 11:14
  

  
  
  
  


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  Back in the 1980s, the PostScript standard included a means by which fonts could specify different renderings for accented characters in height-limited and non-height-limited contexts. I don't know if any newer font-rendering technologies have followed suit, but being able to have fonts define such renderings would seem better than ad hoc manual adjustment, since fonts could define things in such fashion as to maintain stroke weights.
  – supercat
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  @supercat therw lots of features in postscript that could be usefult today. Lots of things was lost only to be done again
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  Aug 31 at 16:26
  

  
  
  
  

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If you don't have a lot of text to deal with or if you can modify the font, you could also tweak the accents so they take up less vertical space. Just make sure that they can still be recognized for what they are.

Here are some examples in use 1, 2, 3

They'll still take up space in your leading but you'll get a consistent cap height and won't have them collide with the previous line.

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answered Aug 31 at 15:00

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In some cases, for example, in publications headlines with a colored background close to the text limits, the height of the accented letter is reduced. As far as I know, it's the only one rule.

In highlighted texts such as the one in question, if the space between text lines has the same distance/height, what in different text sizes it is not the same leading; the equality between the separations creates a repetition pattern optically stronger than the proximity between accents and letters.

Try fixing your text with this optical adjustment, taking as a reference the largest line spacing.

share|improve this answer

edited Sep 1 at 19:00

answered Aug 31 at 11:03

Danielillo

11.8k11448

• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Thank you very much for such a helpful answer. I originally tried reducing the size of the accented characters but it looked "odd" so thought I'd ask the question here. I'll certainly sort out the leading (interlinear spacing) per your suggestion...it's a mess as a result of quickly using the "distribute" alignment function :-)
  – James
  Aug 31 at 11:14
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Back in the 1980s, the PostScript standard included a means by which fonts could specify different renderings for accented characters in height-limited and non-height-limited contexts. I don't know if any newer font-rendering technologies have followed suit, but being able to have fonts define such renderings would seem better than ad hoc manual adjustment, since fonts could define things in such fashion as to maintain stroke weights.
  – supercat
  Aug 31 at 15:38
  
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  @supercat therw lots of features in postscript that could be usefult today. Lots of things was lost only to be done again
  – joojaa
  Aug 31 at 16:26
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

up vote
6
down vote



accepted

In some cases, for example, in publications headlines with a colored background close to the text limits, the height of the accented letter is reduced. As far as I know, it's the only one rule.

In highlighted texts such as the one in question, if the space between text lines has the same distance/height, what in different text sizes it is not the same leading; the equality between the separations creates a repetition pattern optically stronger than the proximity between accents and letters.

Try fixing your text with this optical adjustment, taking as a reference the largest line spacing.

share|improve this answer

edited Sep 1 at 19:00

answered Aug 31 at 11:03

Danielillo

11.8k11448

• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Thank you very much for such a helpful answer. I originally tried reducing the size of the accented characters but it looked "odd" so thought I'd ask the question here. I'll certainly sort out the leading (interlinear spacing) per your suggestion...it's a mess as a result of quickly using the "distribute" alignment function :-)
  – James
  Aug 31 at 11:14
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Back in the 1980s, the PostScript standard included a means by which fonts could specify different renderings for accented characters in height-limited and non-height-limited contexts. I don't know if any newer font-rendering technologies have followed suit, but being able to have fonts define such renderings would seem better than ad hoc manual adjustment, since fonts could define things in such fashion as to maintain stroke weights.
  – supercat
  Aug 31 at 15:38
  
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  @supercat therw lots of features in postscript that could be usefult today. Lots of things was lost only to be done again
  – joojaa
  Aug 31 at 16:26
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

up vote
6
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accepted

up vote
6
down vote



accepted

In some cases, for example, in publications headlines with a colored background close to the text limits, the height of the accented letter is reduced. As far as I know, it's the only one rule.

In highlighted texts such as the one in question, if the space between text lines has the same distance/height, what in different text sizes it is not the same leading; the equality between the separations creates a repetition pattern optically stronger than the proximity between accents and letters.

Try fixing your text with this optical adjustment, taking as a reference the largest line spacing.

share|improve this answer

edited Sep 1 at 19:00

answered Aug 31 at 11:03

Danielillo

11.8k11448

In some cases, for example, in publications headlines with a colored background close to the text limits, the height of the accented letter is reduced. As far as I know, it's the only one rule.

In highlighted texts such as the one in question, if the space between text lines has the same distance/height, what in different text sizes it is not the same leading; the equality between the separations creates a repetition pattern optically stronger than the proximity between accents and letters.

Try fixing your text with this optical adjustment, taking as a reference the largest line spacing.

share|improve this answer

edited Sep 1 at 19:00

answered Aug 31 at 11:03

Danielillo

11.8k11448

share|improve this answer

share|improve this answer

edited Sep 1 at 19:00

edited Sep 1 at 19:00

edited Sep 1 at 19:00

answered Aug 31 at 11:03

Danielillo

11.8k11448

answered Aug 31 at 11:03

Danielillo

11.8k11448

answered Aug 31 at 11:03

Danielillo

11.8k11448

11.8k11448

• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Thank you very much for such a helpful answer. I originally tried reducing the size of the accented characters but it looked "odd" so thought I'd ask the question here. I'll certainly sort out the leading (interlinear spacing) per your suggestion...it's a mess as a result of quickly using the "distribute" alignment function :-)
  – James
  Aug 31 at 11:14
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Back in the 1980s, the PostScript standard included a means by which fonts could specify different renderings for accented characters in height-limited and non-height-limited contexts. I don't know if any newer font-rendering technologies have followed suit, but being able to have fonts define such renderings would seem better than ad hoc manual adjustment, since fonts could define things in such fashion as to maintain stroke weights.
  – supercat
  Aug 31 at 15:38
  
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  @supercat therw lots of features in postscript that could be usefult today. Lots of things was lost only to be done again
  – joojaa
  Aug 31 at 16:26
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Thank you very much for such a helpful answer. I originally tried reducing the size of the accented characters but it looked "odd" so thought I'd ask the question here. I'll certainly sort out the leading (interlinear spacing) per your suggestion...it's a mess as a result of quickly using the "distribute" alignment function :-)
  – James
  Aug 31 at 11:14
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Back in the 1980s, the PostScript standard included a means by which fonts could specify different renderings for accented characters in height-limited and non-height-limited contexts. I don't know if any newer font-rendering technologies have followed suit, but being able to have fonts define such renderings would seem better than ad hoc manual adjustment, since fonts could define things in such fashion as to maintain stroke weights.
  – supercat
  Aug 31 at 15:38
  
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  @supercat therw lots of features in postscript that could be usefult today. Lots of things was lost only to be done again
  – joojaa
  Aug 31 at 16:26
  

  
  
  
  

1

1

Thank you very much for such a helpful answer. I originally tried reducing the size of the accented characters but it looked "odd" so thought I'd ask the question here. I'll certainly sort out the leading (interlinear spacing) per your suggestion...it's a mess as a result of quickly using the "distribute" alignment function :-)
– James
Aug 31 at 11:14

Thank you very much for such a helpful answer. I originally tried reducing the size of the accented characters but it looked "odd" so thought I'd ask the question here. I'll certainly sort out the leading (interlinear spacing) per your suggestion...it's a mess as a result of quickly using the "distribute" alignment function :-)
– James
Aug 31 at 11:14

1

1

Back in the 1980s, the PostScript standard included a means by which fonts could specify different renderings for accented characters in height-limited and non-height-limited contexts. I don't know if any newer font-rendering technologies have followed suit, but being able to have fonts define such renderings would seem better than ad hoc manual adjustment, since fonts could define things in such fashion as to maintain stroke weights.
– supercat
Aug 31 at 15:38

Back in the 1980s, the PostScript standard included a means by which fonts could specify different renderings for accented characters in height-limited and non-height-limited contexts. I don't know if any newer font-rendering technologies have followed suit, but being able to have fonts define such renderings would seem better than ad hoc manual adjustment, since fonts could define things in such fashion as to maintain stroke weights.
– supercat
Aug 31 at 15:38

@supercat therw lots of features in postscript that could be usefult today. Lots of things was lost only to be done again
– joojaa
Aug 31 at 16:26

@supercat therw lots of features in postscript that could be usefult today. Lots of things was lost only to be done again
– joojaa
Aug 31 at 16:26

add a comment | 

up vote
3
down vote

If you don't have a lot of text to deal with or if you can modify the font, you could also tweak the accents so they take up less vertical space. Just make sure that they can still be recognized for what they are.

Here are some examples in use 1, 2, 3

They'll still take up space in your leading but you'll get a consistent cap height and won't have them collide with the previous line.

share|improve this answer

answered Aug 31 at 15:00

Emilie♦

6,69812061

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Thanks for the ideas. I've worked it up with the standard accents but if they grate when I review it I'll bite the bullet and manually adjust them!
  – James
  Aug 31 at 15:07
  
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

up vote
3
down vote

If you don't have a lot of text to deal with or if you can modify the font, you could also tweak the accents so they take up less vertical space. Just make sure that they can still be recognized for what they are.

Here are some examples in use 1, 2, 3

They'll still take up space in your leading but you'll get a consistent cap height and won't have them collide with the previous line.

share|improve this answer

answered Aug 31 at 15:00

Emilie♦

6,69812061

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Thanks for the ideas. I've worked it up with the standard accents but if they grate when I review it I'll bite the bullet and manually adjust them!
  – James
  Aug 31 at 15:07
  
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

up vote
3
down vote

up vote
3
down vote

If you don't have a lot of text to deal with or if you can modify the font, you could also tweak the accents so they take up less vertical space. Just make sure that they can still be recognized for what they are.

Here are some examples in use 1, 2, 3

They'll still take up space in your leading but you'll get a consistent cap height and won't have them collide with the previous line.

share|improve this answer

answered Aug 31 at 15:00

Emilie♦

6,69812061

If you don't have a lot of text to deal with or if you can modify the font, you could also tweak the accents so they take up less vertical space. Just make sure that they can still be recognized for what they are.

Here are some examples in use 1, 2, 3

They'll still take up space in your leading but you'll get a consistent cap height and won't have them collide with the previous line.

share|improve this answer

answered Aug 31 at 15:00

Emilie♦

6,69812061

share|improve this answer

share|improve this answer

answered Aug 31 at 15:00

Emilie♦

6,69812061

answered Aug 31 at 15:00

Emilie♦

6,69812061

answered Aug 31 at 15:00

Emilie♦

6,69812061

6,69812061

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Thanks for the ideas. I've worked it up with the standard accents but if they grate when I review it I'll bite the bullet and manually adjust them!
  – James
  Aug 31 at 15:07
  
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Thanks for the ideas. I've worked it up with the standard accents but if they grate when I review it I'll bite the bullet and manually adjust them!
  – James
  Aug 31 at 15:07
  
  

  
  
  
  

Thanks for the ideas. I've worked it up with the standard accents but if they grate when I review it I'll bite the bullet and manually adjust them!
– James
Aug 31 at 15:07

Thanks for the ideas. I've worked it up with the standard accents but if they grate when I review it I'll bite the bullet and manually adjust them!
– James
Aug 31 at 15:07

add a comment | 

 

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