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Today, due to some reasons I factory-reset my iPhone. When I’m setting up (pressing those “Get Startedâ€Â), I found something fishy in the Health app.
I rarely work after 1am, and recently I did start sleeping before midnight. I found that there are some walking records, timestamped at night, around 3-6am. My immediate guess is that someone moved my phone at night during my sleep.
I’m not sure whether it is normal. For example, is iOS using location service to locate my phone’s approximate location so as to calculate how many “steps†I walked, or is it solely using the motion sensors?
I usually put my phone near my pillow. However, because the numbers of steps are not small (at least 10), it should not be caused by my movement during sleep time.
Since I’m not asking with respect to information security, I’m not looking for counter-measures. So any ideas about the causes are welcome, even if they don’t address to solutions.
ios geolocation health.app motion-processor
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Today, due to some reasons I factory-reset my iPhone. When I’m setting up (pressing those “Get Startedâ€Â), I found something fishy in the Health app.
I rarely work after 1am, and recently I did start sleeping before midnight. I found that there are some walking records, timestamped at night, around 3-6am. My immediate guess is that someone moved my phone at night during my sleep.
I’m not sure whether it is normal. For example, is iOS using location service to locate my phone’s approximate location so as to calculate how many “steps†I walked, or is it solely using the motion sensors?
I usually put my phone near my pillow. However, because the numbers of steps are not small (at least 10), it should not be caused by my movement during sleep time.
Since I’m not asking with respect to information security, I’m not looking for counter-measures. So any ideas about the causes are welcome, even if they don’t address to solutions.
ios geolocation health.app motion-processor
asked Aug 27 at 7:37
tonychow0929
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Can we assume there's no Apple Watch paired to your iPhone?
– Monomeeth♦
Aug 27 at 7:44
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Yes, there’s no paired Apple Watch.
– tonychow0929
Aug 27 at 8:18
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up vote
6
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Today, due to some reasons I factory-reset my iPhone. When I’m setting up (pressing those “Get Startedâ€Â), I found something fishy in the Health app.
I rarely work after 1am, and recently I did start sleeping before midnight. I found that there are some walking records, timestamped at night, around 3-6am. My immediate guess is that someone moved my phone at night during my sleep.
I’m not sure whether it is normal. For example, is iOS using location service to locate my phone’s approximate location so as to calculate how many “steps†I walked, or is it solely using the motion sensors?
I usually put my phone near my pillow. However, because the numbers of steps are not small (at least 10), it should not be caused by my movement during sleep time.
Since I’m not asking with respect to information security, I’m not looking for counter-measures. So any ideas about the causes are welcome, even if they don’t address to solutions.
ios geolocation health.app motion-processor
asked Aug 27 at 7:37
tonychow0929
1754
Today, due to some reasons I factory-reset my iPhone. When I’m setting up (pressing those “Get Startedâ€Â), I found something fishy in the Health app.
I rarely work after 1am, and recently I did start sleeping before midnight. I found that there are some walking records, timestamped at night, around 3-6am. My immediate guess is that someone moved my phone at night during my sleep.
I’m not sure whether it is normal. For example, is iOS using location service to locate my phone’s approximate location so as to calculate how many “steps†I walked, or is it solely using the motion sensors?
I usually put my phone near my pillow. However, because the numbers of steps are not small (at least 10), it should not be caused by my movement during sleep time.
Since I’m not asking with respect to information security, I’m not looking for counter-measures. So any ideas about the causes are welcome, even if they don’t address to solutions.
ios geolocation health.app motion-processor
asked Aug 27 at 7:37
tonychow0929
1754
asked Aug 27 at 7:37
tonychow0929
1754
asked Aug 27 at 7:37
tonychow0929
1754
asked Aug 27 at 7:37
tonychow0929
1754
1754
1
Can we assume there's no Apple Watch paired to your iPhone?
– Monomeeth♦
Aug 27 at 7:44
1
Yes, there’s no paired Apple Watch.
– tonychow0929
Aug 27 at 8:18
add a comment |Â
1
Can we assume there's no Apple Watch paired to your iPhone?
– Monomeeth♦
Aug 27 at 7:44
1
Yes, there’s no paired Apple Watch.
– tonychow0929
Aug 27 at 8:18
1
1
Can we assume there's no Apple Watch paired to your iPhone?
– Monomeeth♦
Aug 27 at 7:44
Can we assume there's no Apple Watch paired to your iPhone?
– Monomeeth♦
Aug 27 at 7:44
1
1
Yes, there’s no paired Apple Watch.
– tonychow0929
Aug 27 at 8:18
Yes, there’s no paired Apple Watch.
– tonychow0929
Aug 27 at 8:18
add a comment |Â
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Short answer
Assuming there's no obvious explanation (e.g. sleep walking, getting up to go to the toilet, someone 'using' your phone, etc) then no, this isn't normal.
Long answer
Despite the "short answer" above, it's important to appreciate that in the absence of an activity tracking device (e.g. Apple Watch, Fitbit, etc) being paired to your iPhone, then calculations are not as accurate at they could be.
At its most basic level*, a smart phone's activity measurement is performed by processing a range of calculations based on the data captured by tri-axial accelerometers. These accelerometers record acceleration in all three spatial dimensions (i.e. up/down, left/right, and forward/backward). This data is then fed into calculations to determine activities such as "steps".
Additionally, in the absence of any external fitness trackers you'll find that smartphones typically need to calculate steps in chunks and that there's a minimum number that can be reported (e.g. your iPhone isn't ever likely to tell you that you've just moved a single step, but it could say you've moved 6 steps). That's not to say it can't measure steps down to a solitary unit, just that part of the calculations involved mean that reporting figures like 6, 7, 12, 16, 137, 346, 1037, etc are possible, but not that you got up in the middle of the night and walked just two steps (because the minimum amount of data it needs to perform the calculations is such that it can't calculate just two steps on their own).
So, what all this means is that if the Health app is regularly reporting "fishy moves at night" of 10 or more steps, then either something is triggering this (sleep walking, getting up and forgetting about it, looking at the iPhone a number of times, someone else 'using' your phone, etc) or that there's some sort of 'fault' (e.g. faulty sensor(s), wrong time allocation, etc).
If the fishy timestamps are happening multiple times during the night, then it's less likely to be someone else using the phone and more likely to be you. If it's only happening once during the night and only occasionally, then it could be someone else using your phone, or just you doing something with it. However, in all scenarios it could be some sort of fault.
If it's of concern you could do some experiments to test for different scenarios, but otherwise it's probably not worth worrying about unless you're concerned with a high accuracy of step counts during these hours.
*You haven't specified your exact iPhone model, but in recent years the calculations performed have become more refined and take in data from other sources as well (e.g. gyroscope, location, compass).
answered Aug 27 at 9:30
Monomeeth♦
42.2k689128
Thank you. Mine is an iPhone 8. Those moves didn’t exist before I moved from hostel to home (in May), and that’s why I think they are fishy. However, at that time I did an iOS update, and that’s may be a (barely) possible cause. For the accelerometers, they are functioning normally, at least when I’m playing racing games and using AR apps.
– tonychow0929
Aug 27 at 10:38
@tonychow0929 do I get you right, when saying those fishy entries are not observed repeatedly? It's pretty possible imo to get those entries when using the iPhone - in any case. So, when you are doing an update, you are moving your phone in your hand. This is very likely the cause for your fish ;)
– pallox
Aug 27 at 13:13
Sorry for late reply...the situation is far worse. I mean I did an iOS update in May, and the fishy moves didn't appear until May. The moves did appear on several nights, but all after May. It is (barely) possible that the iOS update broke the Health app, but it shouldn't.
– tonychow0929
Sep 1 at 7:02
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1 Answer
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oldest
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1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
up vote
5
down vote
accepted
Short answer
Assuming there's no obvious explanation (e.g. sleep walking, getting up to go to the toilet, someone 'using' your phone, etc) then no, this isn't normal.
Long answer
Despite the "short answer" above, it's important to appreciate that in the absence of an activity tracking device (e.g. Apple Watch, Fitbit, etc) being paired to your iPhone, then calculations are not as accurate at they could be.
At its most basic level*, a smart phone's activity measurement is performed by processing a range of calculations based on the data captured by tri-axial accelerometers. These accelerometers record acceleration in all three spatial dimensions (i.e. up/down, left/right, and forward/backward). This data is then fed into calculations to determine activities such as "steps".
Additionally, in the absence of any external fitness trackers you'll find that smartphones typically need to calculate steps in chunks and that there's a minimum number that can be reported (e.g. your iPhone isn't ever likely to tell you that you've just moved a single step, but it could say you've moved 6 steps). That's not to say it can't measure steps down to a solitary unit, just that part of the calculations involved mean that reporting figures like 6, 7, 12, 16, 137, 346, 1037, etc are possible, but not that you got up in the middle of the night and walked just two steps (because the minimum amount of data it needs to perform the calculations is such that it can't calculate just two steps on their own).
So, what all this means is that if the Health app is regularly reporting "fishy moves at night" of 10 or more steps, then either something is triggering this (sleep walking, getting up and forgetting about it, looking at the iPhone a number of times, someone else 'using' your phone, etc) or that there's some sort of 'fault' (e.g. faulty sensor(s), wrong time allocation, etc).
If the fishy timestamps are happening multiple times during the night, then it's less likely to be someone else using the phone and more likely to be you. If it's only happening once during the night and only occasionally, then it could be someone else using your phone, or just you doing something with it. However, in all scenarios it could be some sort of fault.
If it's of concern you could do some experiments to test for different scenarios, but otherwise it's probably not worth worrying about unless you're concerned with a high accuracy of step counts during these hours.
*You haven't specified your exact iPhone model, but in recent years the calculations performed have become more refined and take in data from other sources as well (e.g. gyroscope, location, compass).
answered Aug 27 at 9:30
Monomeeth♦
42.2k689128
Thank you. Mine is an iPhone 8. Those moves didn’t exist before I moved from hostel to home (in May), and that’s why I think they are fishy. However, at that time I did an iOS update, and that’s may be a (barely) possible cause. For the accelerometers, they are functioning normally, at least when I’m playing racing games and using AR apps.
– tonychow0929
Aug 27 at 10:38
@tonychow0929 do I get you right, when saying those fishy entries are not observed repeatedly? It's pretty possible imo to get those entries when using the iPhone - in any case. So, when you are doing an update, you are moving your phone in your hand. This is very likely the cause for your fish ;)
– pallox
Aug 27 at 13:13
Sorry for late reply...the situation is far worse. I mean I did an iOS update in May, and the fishy moves didn't appear until May. The moves did appear on several nights, but all after May. It is (barely) possible that the iOS update broke the Health app, but it shouldn't.
– tonychow0929
Sep 1 at 7:02
add a comment |Â
up vote
5
down vote
accepted
Short answer
Assuming there's no obvious explanation (e.g. sleep walking, getting up to go to the toilet, someone 'using' your phone, etc) then no, this isn't normal.
Long answer
Despite the "short answer" above, it's important to appreciate that in the absence of an activity tracking device (e.g. Apple Watch, Fitbit, etc) being paired to your iPhone, then calculations are not as accurate at they could be.
At its most basic level*, a smart phone's activity measurement is performed by processing a range of calculations based on the data captured by tri-axial accelerometers. These accelerometers record acceleration in all three spatial dimensions (i.e. up/down, left/right, and forward/backward). This data is then fed into calculations to determine activities such as "steps".
Additionally, in the absence of any external fitness trackers you'll find that smartphones typically need to calculate steps in chunks and that there's a minimum number that can be reported (e.g. your iPhone isn't ever likely to tell you that you've just moved a single step, but it could say you've moved 6 steps). That's not to say it can't measure steps down to a solitary unit, just that part of the calculations involved mean that reporting figures like 6, 7, 12, 16, 137, 346, 1037, etc are possible, but not that you got up in the middle of the night and walked just two steps (because the minimum amount of data it needs to perform the calculations is such that it can't calculate just two steps on their own).
So, what all this means is that if the Health app is regularly reporting "fishy moves at night" of 10 or more steps, then either something is triggering this (sleep walking, getting up and forgetting about it, looking at the iPhone a number of times, someone else 'using' your phone, etc) or that there's some sort of 'fault' (e.g. faulty sensor(s), wrong time allocation, etc).
If the fishy timestamps are happening multiple times during the night, then it's less likely to be someone else using the phone and more likely to be you. If it's only happening once during the night and only occasionally, then it could be someone else using your phone, or just you doing something with it. However, in all scenarios it could be some sort of fault.
If it's of concern you could do some experiments to test for different scenarios, but otherwise it's probably not worth worrying about unless you're concerned with a high accuracy of step counts during these hours.
*You haven't specified your exact iPhone model, but in recent years the calculations performed have become more refined and take in data from other sources as well (e.g. gyroscope, location, compass).
answered Aug 27 at 9:30
Monomeeth♦
42.2k689128
Thank you. Mine is an iPhone 8. Those moves didn’t exist before I moved from hostel to home (in May), and that’s why I think they are fishy. However, at that time I did an iOS update, and that’s may be a (barely) possible cause. For the accelerometers, they are functioning normally, at least when I’m playing racing games and using AR apps.
– tonychow0929
Aug 27 at 10:38
@tonychow0929 do I get you right, when saying those fishy entries are not observed repeatedly? It's pretty possible imo to get those entries when using the iPhone - in any case. So, when you are doing an update, you are moving your phone in your hand. This is very likely the cause for your fish ;)
– pallox
Aug 27 at 13:13
Sorry for late reply...the situation is far worse. I mean I did an iOS update in May, and the fishy moves didn't appear until May. The moves did appear on several nights, but all after May. It is (barely) possible that the iOS update broke the Health app, but it shouldn't.
– tonychow0929
Sep 1 at 7:02
add a comment |Â
up vote
5
down vote
accepted
up vote
5
down vote
accepted
Short answer
Assuming there's no obvious explanation (e.g. sleep walking, getting up to go to the toilet, someone 'using' your phone, etc) then no, this isn't normal.
Long answer
Despite the "short answer" above, it's important to appreciate that in the absence of an activity tracking device (e.g. Apple Watch, Fitbit, etc) being paired to your iPhone, then calculations are not as accurate at they could be.
At its most basic level*, a smart phone's activity measurement is performed by processing a range of calculations based on the data captured by tri-axial accelerometers. These accelerometers record acceleration in all three spatial dimensions (i.e. up/down, left/right, and forward/backward). This data is then fed into calculations to determine activities such as "steps".
Additionally, in the absence of any external fitness trackers you'll find that smartphones typically need to calculate steps in chunks and that there's a minimum number that can be reported (e.g. your iPhone isn't ever likely to tell you that you've just moved a single step, but it could say you've moved 6 steps). That's not to say it can't measure steps down to a solitary unit, just that part of the calculations involved mean that reporting figures like 6, 7, 12, 16, 137, 346, 1037, etc are possible, but not that you got up in the middle of the night and walked just two steps (because the minimum amount of data it needs to perform the calculations is such that it can't calculate just two steps on their own).
So, what all this means is that if the Health app is regularly reporting "fishy moves at night" of 10 or more steps, then either something is triggering this (sleep walking, getting up and forgetting about it, looking at the iPhone a number of times, someone else 'using' your phone, etc) or that there's some sort of 'fault' (e.g. faulty sensor(s), wrong time allocation, etc).
If the fishy timestamps are happening multiple times during the night, then it's less likely to be someone else using the phone and more likely to be you. If it's only happening once during the night and only occasionally, then it could be someone else using your phone, or just you doing something with it. However, in all scenarios it could be some sort of fault.
If it's of concern you could do some experiments to test for different scenarios, but otherwise it's probably not worth worrying about unless you're concerned with a high accuracy of step counts during these hours.
*You haven't specified your exact iPhone model, but in recent years the calculations performed have become more refined and take in data from other sources as well (e.g. gyroscope, location, compass).
answered Aug 27 at 9:30
Monomeeth♦
42.2k689128
Short answer
Assuming there's no obvious explanation (e.g. sleep walking, getting up to go to the toilet, someone 'using' your phone, etc) then no, this isn't normal.
Long answer
Despite the "short answer" above, it's important to appreciate that in the absence of an activity tracking device (e.g. Apple Watch, Fitbit, etc) being paired to your iPhone, then calculations are not as accurate at they could be.
At its most basic level*, a smart phone's activity measurement is performed by processing a range of calculations based on the data captured by tri-axial accelerometers. These accelerometers record acceleration in all three spatial dimensions (i.e. up/down, left/right, and forward/backward). This data is then fed into calculations to determine activities such as "steps".
Additionally, in the absence of any external fitness trackers you'll find that smartphones typically need to calculate steps in chunks and that there's a minimum number that can be reported (e.g. your iPhone isn't ever likely to tell you that you've just moved a single step, but it could say you've moved 6 steps). That's not to say it can't measure steps down to a solitary unit, just that part of the calculations involved mean that reporting figures like 6, 7, 12, 16, 137, 346, 1037, etc are possible, but not that you got up in the middle of the night and walked just two steps (because the minimum amount of data it needs to perform the calculations is such that it can't calculate just two steps on their own).
So, what all this means is that if the Health app is regularly reporting "fishy moves at night" of 10 or more steps, then either something is triggering this (sleep walking, getting up and forgetting about it, looking at the iPhone a number of times, someone else 'using' your phone, etc) or that there's some sort of 'fault' (e.g. faulty sensor(s), wrong time allocation, etc).
If the fishy timestamps are happening multiple times during the night, then it's less likely to be someone else using the phone and more likely to be you. If it's only happening once during the night and only occasionally, then it could be someone else using your phone, or just you doing something with it. However, in all scenarios it could be some sort of fault.
If it's of concern you could do some experiments to test for different scenarios, but otherwise it's probably not worth worrying about unless you're concerned with a high accuracy of step counts during these hours.
*You haven't specified your exact iPhone model, but in recent years the calculations performed have become more refined and take in data from other sources as well (e.g. gyroscope, location, compass).
answered Aug 27 at 9:30
Monomeeth♦
42.2k689128
answered Aug 27 at 9:30
Monomeeth♦
42.2k689128
answered Aug 27 at 9:30
Monomeeth♦
42.2k689128
answered Aug 27 at 9:30
Monomeeth♦
42.2k689128
42.2k689128
Thank you. Mine is an iPhone 8. Those moves didn’t exist before I moved from hostel to home (in May), and that’s why I think they are fishy. However, at that time I did an iOS update, and that’s may be a (barely) possible cause. For the accelerometers, they are functioning normally, at least when I’m playing racing games and using AR apps.
– tonychow0929
Aug 27 at 10:38
@tonychow0929 do I get you right, when saying those fishy entries are not observed repeatedly? It's pretty possible imo to get those entries when using the iPhone - in any case. So, when you are doing an update, you are moving your phone in your hand. This is very likely the cause for your fish ;)
– pallox
Aug 27 at 13:13
Sorry for late reply...the situation is far worse. I mean I did an iOS update in May, and the fishy moves didn't appear until May. The moves did appear on several nights, but all after May. It is (barely) possible that the iOS update broke the Health app, but it shouldn't.
– tonychow0929
Sep 1 at 7:02
add a comment |Â
Thank you. Mine is an iPhone 8. Those moves didn’t exist before I moved from hostel to home (in May), and that’s why I think they are fishy. However, at that time I did an iOS update, and that’s may be a (barely) possible cause. For the accelerometers, they are functioning normally, at least when I’m playing racing games and using AR apps.
– tonychow0929
Aug 27 at 10:38
@tonychow0929 do I get you right, when saying those fishy entries are not observed repeatedly? It's pretty possible imo to get those entries when using the iPhone - in any case. So, when you are doing an update, you are moving your phone in your hand. This is very likely the cause for your fish ;)
– pallox
Aug 27 at 13:13
Sorry for late reply...the situation is far worse. I mean I did an iOS update in May, and the fishy moves didn't appear until May. The moves did appear on several nights, but all after May. It is (barely) possible that the iOS update broke the Health app, but it shouldn't.
– tonychow0929
Sep 1 at 7:02
Thank you. Mine is an iPhone 8. Those moves didn’t exist before I moved from hostel to home (in May), and that’s why I think they are fishy. However, at that time I did an iOS update, and that’s may be a (barely) possible cause. For the accelerometers, they are functioning normally, at least when I’m playing racing games and using AR apps.
– tonychow0929
Aug 27 at 10:38
Thank you. Mine is an iPhone 8. Those moves didn’t exist before I moved from hostel to home (in May), and that’s why I think they are fishy. However, at that time I did an iOS update, and that’s may be a (barely) possible cause. For the accelerometers, they are functioning normally, at least when I’m playing racing games and using AR apps.
– tonychow0929
Aug 27 at 10:38
@tonychow0929 do I get you right, when saying those fishy entries are not observed repeatedly? It's pretty possible imo to get those entries when using the iPhone - in any case. So, when you are doing an update, you are moving your phone in your hand. This is very likely the cause for your fish ;)
– pallox
Aug 27 at 13:13
@tonychow0929 do I get you right, when saying those fishy entries are not observed repeatedly? It's pretty possible imo to get those entries when using the iPhone - in any case. So, when you are doing an update, you are moving your phone in your hand. This is very likely the cause for your fish ;)
– pallox
Aug 27 at 13:13
Sorry for late reply...the situation is far worse. I mean I did an iOS update in May, and the fishy moves didn't appear until May. The moves did appear on several nights, but all after May. It is (barely) possible that the iOS update broke the Health app, but it shouldn't.
– tonychow0929
Sep 1 at 7:02
Sorry for late reply...the situation is far worse. I mean I did an iOS update in May, and the fishy moves didn't appear until May. The moves did appear on several nights, but all after May. It is (barely) possible that the iOS update broke the Health app, but it shouldn't.
– tonychow0929
Sep 1 at 7:02
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1
Can we assume there's no Apple Watch paired to your iPhone?
– Monomeeth♦
Aug 27 at 7:44
1
Yes, there’s no paired Apple Watch.
– tonychow0929
Aug 27 at 8:18