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So, I've been designing an alien species, actually a redesign of something from childhood. However, I've recently come into an issue with its limbs.
The creature possesses two arms. The right arm is roughly humanoid, ending in a prehensile hand. Currently, there are eight digits, although this may be subject to change. However, the left arm ends in a hand that has been modified into a weapon. Currently, four digits have been adapted into spikes, similar to Iguanodon, and the remaining four have modified into a thickened, blunt structure, leaving the entire hand to somewhat resemble a spiked mace.
However, this is where I've run into a roadblock. This is a naturally evolved creature, but I'm struggling to figure not only the circumstances for this adaptation but also if this level of asymmetry is really realistic.
EDIT - A few additional points to help clarify things. The species is sapient and civilization-faring. The eight digits are an attempt to get around the dexterity problem of only one functional hand, essentially putting two hands on one arm. Secondly, both genders possess this feature. Part of me is thinking to just go the Hellboy route.
Preliminary (and very low-quality) sketch -
Any answers would be greatly appreciated.
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So, I've been designing an alien species, actually a redesign of something from childhood. However, I've recently come into an issue with its limbs.
The creature possesses two arms. The right arm is roughly humanoid, ending in a prehensile hand. Currently, there are eight digits, although this may be subject to change. However, the left arm ends in a hand that has been modified into a weapon. Currently, four digits have been adapted into spikes, similar to Iguanodon, and the remaining four have modified into a thickened, blunt structure, leaving the entire hand to somewhat resemble a spiked mace.
However, this is where I've run into a roadblock. This is a naturally evolved creature, but I'm struggling to figure not only the circumstances for this adaptation but also if this level of asymmetry is really realistic.
EDIT - A few additional points to help clarify things. The species is sapient and civilization-faring. The eight digits are an attempt to get around the dexterity problem of only one functional hand, essentially putting two hands on one arm. Secondly, both genders possess this feature. Part of me is thinking to just go the Hellboy route.
Preliminary (and very low-quality) sketch -
Any answers would be greatly appreciated.
biology creature-design evolution anatomy
edited Sep 6 at 10:22
Gryphon
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asked Sep 2 at 0:16
N Francis
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This is vague enough, and so open to personal opinion that "closed votes" could easily be made based on the "Primarily Opinion Based" rule. What do you judge the right answer on?
– RonJohn
Sep 2 at 1:12
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Also, I'm dubious whether or not eight fingers would fit on a hand. Five digits seems to have evolved as a happy medium between having enough to do something with them, and yet still fit on the wrist/ankle.
– RonJohn
Sep 2 at 1:17
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Think of crabs and octopi. In many species the appendages of males are not symmetric.
– Renan
Sep 2 at 1:17
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@RonJohn: Stephen Jay Gould, Eight Little Piggies, 1993.
– AlexP
Sep 2 at 3:52
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I assume you want them to be intelligent? Intelligence likely evolves if it allows to greatly expand the niche a species lives in. With asymmetric limbs, that sounds unlikely.
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Sep 2 at 9:52
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So, I've been designing an alien species, actually a redesign of something from childhood. However, I've recently come into an issue with its limbs.
The creature possesses two arms. The right arm is roughly humanoid, ending in a prehensile hand. Currently, there are eight digits, although this may be subject to change. However, the left arm ends in a hand that has been modified into a weapon. Currently, four digits have been adapted into spikes, similar to Iguanodon, and the remaining four have modified into a thickened, blunt structure, leaving the entire hand to somewhat resemble a spiked mace.
However, this is where I've run into a roadblock. This is a naturally evolved creature, but I'm struggling to figure not only the circumstances for this adaptation but also if this level of asymmetry is really realistic.
EDIT - A few additional points to help clarify things. The species is sapient and civilization-faring. The eight digits are an attempt to get around the dexterity problem of only one functional hand, essentially putting two hands on one arm. Secondly, both genders possess this feature. Part of me is thinking to just go the Hellboy route.
Preliminary (and very low-quality) sketch -
Any answers would be greatly appreciated.
biology creature-design evolution anatomy
edited Sep 6 at 10:22
Gryphon
3,05222353
asked Sep 2 at 0:16
N Francis
1264
So, I've been designing an alien species, actually a redesign of something from childhood. However, I've recently come into an issue with its limbs.
The creature possesses two arms. The right arm is roughly humanoid, ending in a prehensile hand. Currently, there are eight digits, although this may be subject to change. However, the left arm ends in a hand that has been modified into a weapon. Currently, four digits have been adapted into spikes, similar to Iguanodon, and the remaining four have modified into a thickened, blunt structure, leaving the entire hand to somewhat resemble a spiked mace.
However, this is where I've run into a roadblock. This is a naturally evolved creature, but I'm struggling to figure not only the circumstances for this adaptation but also if this level of asymmetry is really realistic.
EDIT - A few additional points to help clarify things. The species is sapient and civilization-faring. The eight digits are an attempt to get around the dexterity problem of only one functional hand, essentially putting two hands on one arm. Secondly, both genders possess this feature. Part of me is thinking to just go the Hellboy route.
Preliminary (and very low-quality) sketch -
Any answers would be greatly appreciated.
biology creature-design evolution anatomy
edited Sep 6 at 10:22
Gryphon
3,05222353
asked Sep 2 at 0:16
N Francis
1264
edited Sep 6 at 10:22
Gryphon
3,05222353
edited Sep 6 at 10:22
Gryphon
3,05222353
edited Sep 6 at 10:22
Gryphon
3,05222353
3,05222353
asked Sep 2 at 0:16
N Francis
1264
asked Sep 2 at 0:16
N Francis
1264
asked Sep 2 at 0:16
N Francis
1264
1264
This is vague enough, and so open to personal opinion that "closed votes" could easily be made based on the "Primarily Opinion Based" rule. What do you judge the right answer on?
– RonJohn
Sep 2 at 1:12
1
Also, I'm dubious whether or not eight fingers would fit on a hand. Five digits seems to have evolved as a happy medium between having enough to do something with them, and yet still fit on the wrist/ankle.
– RonJohn
Sep 2 at 1:17
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Think of crabs and octopi. In many species the appendages of males are not symmetric.
– Renan
Sep 2 at 1:17
1
@RonJohn: Stephen Jay Gould, Eight Little Piggies, 1993.
– AlexP
Sep 2 at 3:52
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I assume you want them to be intelligent? Intelligence likely evolves if it allows to greatly expand the niche a species lives in. With asymmetric limbs, that sounds unlikely.
– Karl
Sep 2 at 9:52
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This is vague enough, and so open to personal opinion that "closed votes" could easily be made based on the "Primarily Opinion Based" rule. What do you judge the right answer on?
– RonJohn
Sep 2 at 1:12
1
Also, I'm dubious whether or not eight fingers would fit on a hand. Five digits seems to have evolved as a happy medium between having enough to do something with them, and yet still fit on the wrist/ankle.
– RonJohn
Sep 2 at 1:17
3
Think of crabs and octopi. In many species the appendages of males are not symmetric.
– Renan
Sep 2 at 1:17
1
@RonJohn: Stephen Jay Gould, Eight Little Piggies, 1993.
– AlexP
Sep 2 at 3:52
1
I assume you want them to be intelligent? Intelligence likely evolves if it allows to greatly expand the niche a species lives in. With asymmetric limbs, that sounds unlikely.
– Karl
Sep 2 at 9:52
This is vague enough, and so open to personal opinion that "closed votes" could easily be made based on the "Primarily Opinion Based" rule. What do you judge the right answer on?
– RonJohn
Sep 2 at 1:12
This is vague enough, and so open to personal opinion that "closed votes" could easily be made based on the "Primarily Opinion Based" rule. What do you judge the right answer on?
– RonJohn
Sep 2 at 1:12
1
1
Also, I'm dubious whether or not eight fingers would fit on a hand. Five digits seems to have evolved as a happy medium between having enough to do something with them, and yet still fit on the wrist/ankle.
– RonJohn
Sep 2 at 1:17
Also, I'm dubious whether or not eight fingers would fit on a hand. Five digits seems to have evolved as a happy medium between having enough to do something with them, and yet still fit on the wrist/ankle.
– RonJohn
Sep 2 at 1:17
3
3
Think of crabs and octopi. In many species the appendages of males are not symmetric.
– Renan
Sep 2 at 1:17
Think of crabs and octopi. In many species the appendages of males are not symmetric.
– Renan
Sep 2 at 1:17
1
1
@RonJohn: Stephen Jay Gould, Eight Little Piggies, 1993.
– AlexP
Sep 2 at 3:52
@RonJohn: Stephen Jay Gould, Eight Little Piggies, 1993.
– AlexP
Sep 2 at 3:52
1
1
I assume you want them to be intelligent? Intelligence likely evolves if it allows to greatly expand the niche a species lives in. With asymmetric limbs, that sounds unlikely.
– Karl
Sep 2 at 9:52
I assume you want them to be intelligent? Intelligence likely evolves if it allows to greatly expand the niche a species lives in. With asymmetric limbs, that sounds unlikely.
– Karl
Sep 2 at 9:52
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You see limb asymmetry in fiddler crabs.
https://www.azgardens.com/product/mini-algae-eating-fiddler-crab/
It seems to me that a creature with prehensile limbs probably uses tools, and so it does not make sense functionally for a tool user to have a limb differentiated into a tool. It could pick up a spiked club with both hands like humans do.
A fiddler crab would probably do better with 2 little claws. It cannot feed itself with that stupidly large claw. But it evolved that way because the ladies like it. There are many other examples of male phenotypes which seem burdensome or less than useful, but exist because they are attractive to the opposite sex. Maybe because a male able to tote around such a useless appendage must be vigorous?
Crabs also use the big claws for conspecific combat (read: showing off / intimidating competitor males). That could also be a use of the club hands - which also boils down to sexual selection.
answered Sep 2 at 1:10
Willk
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They're still both recognizably claws.
– RonJohn
Sep 2 at 1:14
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Maybe because a male able to tote around such a useless appendage must be vigorous?That's the standard explanation I've heard. It's basically a way of signalling "I'm carrying around this ridiculous disadvantage and I'm still here, so my genes must be good."
– Cadence
Sep 2 at 1:24
@Cadence or maybe females are shallower than we idealize them...
– RonJohn
Sep 2 at 4:05
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One other way to do this is to look at the classic SF novel: "The Mote in God's Eye", where an intelligent alien species has evolved both asymmetry in their limbs, but also a biological caste system where various sub species exist to carry out specialist tasks.
The "Moties" were descended from a six limbs species, but due to high levels of radiation a mutation was passed down which caused the limbs on one side to fuse into a much larger and stronger arm, with the resulting Moties having five limbs. The "Warrior" caste is even more extreme, with all the appendages having sharp claws, spikes on the joints and even the doubled arm being somewhat devolved, with a sharp "claw" like cutting limb tucked under the "armpit" when not extended for fighting.
Rendering of a Motie https://www.deviantart.com/yoggurt/art/White-brown-motie-220557951
The real issue here isn't that something like this isn't possible, but rather to create a clear backstory as to why your creature evolved to look the way you intend. Sexual selection is one possible way, or living in some sort of very dangerous environment where requiring a smashing weapon attached to your arm is advantageous (perhaps the other use is to smash open a coconut sized husk to extract food). Frankly, the level of specialization seems a bit much, since an actual hand on each limb would be far more useful for survival. An asymmetric arm ending in a giant fist, analogous to a Fiddler crab seems to be a more realistic evolutionary adaptation, and the extra large hand will also be far more useful to the creature. Perhaps in addition to the obvious sign of virility, the large hand also assists in both hunting and gathering, or building giant sized structures to attract mates much like the Bower bird
Male Bower bird inside his courtyard
Evolution works in wonderful ways, repurposing existing structures to squeeze the most out of the environments your creature is living in. Have some fun thinking about your back story.
answered Sep 2 at 4:05
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Its like a fiddler crab, where one side is for fighting and display and the other side is for sexual competition. Anyways I'm going to say it's fine so long as there's a clear evolutionary path.
answered Sep 2 at 0:34
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Yes, the Fiddler Crab is something I've researched. Mind you, this is beyond asymmetry in proportions, but complete change from one structure to another.
– N Francis
Sep 2 at 0:44
@NFrancis Most snakes only have one lung because the other one was unnecessary. As long as there's a reasonable evolution path (such as keratin thickening into scales or thinning into feathers) you have a lot of wiggle room.
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3 Answers
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You see limb asymmetry in fiddler crabs.
https://www.azgardens.com/product/mini-algae-eating-fiddler-crab/
It seems to me that a creature with prehensile limbs probably uses tools, and so it does not make sense functionally for a tool user to have a limb differentiated into a tool. It could pick up a spiked club with both hands like humans do.
A fiddler crab would probably do better with 2 little claws. It cannot feed itself with that stupidly large claw. But it evolved that way because the ladies like it. There are many other examples of male phenotypes which seem burdensome or less than useful, but exist because they are attractive to the opposite sex. Maybe because a male able to tote around such a useless appendage must be vigorous?
Crabs also use the big claws for conspecific combat (read: showing off / intimidating competitor males). That could also be a use of the club hands - which also boils down to sexual selection.
answered Sep 2 at 1:10
Willk
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They're still both recognizably claws.
– RonJohn
Sep 2 at 1:14
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Maybe because a male able to tote around such a useless appendage must be vigorous?That's the standard explanation I've heard. It's basically a way of signalling "I'm carrying around this ridiculous disadvantage and I'm still here, so my genes must be good."
– Cadence
Sep 2 at 1:24
@Cadence or maybe females are shallower than we idealize them...
– RonJohn
Sep 2 at 4:05
add a comment |Â
up vote
7
down vote
You see limb asymmetry in fiddler crabs.
https://www.azgardens.com/product/mini-algae-eating-fiddler-crab/
It seems to me that a creature with prehensile limbs probably uses tools, and so it does not make sense functionally for a tool user to have a limb differentiated into a tool. It could pick up a spiked club with both hands like humans do.
A fiddler crab would probably do better with 2 little claws. It cannot feed itself with that stupidly large claw. But it evolved that way because the ladies like it. There are many other examples of male phenotypes which seem burdensome or less than useful, but exist because they are attractive to the opposite sex. Maybe because a male able to tote around such a useless appendage must be vigorous?
Crabs also use the big claws for conspecific combat (read: showing off / intimidating competitor males). That could also be a use of the club hands - which also boils down to sexual selection.
answered Sep 2 at 1:10
Willk
86.1k21171374
1
They're still both recognizably claws.
– RonJohn
Sep 2 at 1:14
2
Maybe because a male able to tote around such a useless appendage must be vigorous?That's the standard explanation I've heard. It's basically a way of signalling "I'm carrying around this ridiculous disadvantage and I'm still here, so my genes must be good."
– Cadence
Sep 2 at 1:24
@Cadence or maybe females are shallower than we idealize them...
– RonJohn
Sep 2 at 4:05
add a comment |Â
up vote
7
down vote
up vote
7
down vote
You see limb asymmetry in fiddler crabs.
https://www.azgardens.com/product/mini-algae-eating-fiddler-crab/
It seems to me that a creature with prehensile limbs probably uses tools, and so it does not make sense functionally for a tool user to have a limb differentiated into a tool. It could pick up a spiked club with both hands like humans do.
A fiddler crab would probably do better with 2 little claws. It cannot feed itself with that stupidly large claw. But it evolved that way because the ladies like it. There are many other examples of male phenotypes which seem burdensome or less than useful, but exist because they are attractive to the opposite sex. Maybe because a male able to tote around such a useless appendage must be vigorous?
Crabs also use the big claws for conspecific combat (read: showing off / intimidating competitor males). That could also be a use of the club hands - which also boils down to sexual selection.
answered Sep 2 at 1:10
Willk
86.1k21171374
You see limb asymmetry in fiddler crabs.
https://www.azgardens.com/product/mini-algae-eating-fiddler-crab/
It seems to me that a creature with prehensile limbs probably uses tools, and so it does not make sense functionally for a tool user to have a limb differentiated into a tool. It could pick up a spiked club with both hands like humans do.
A fiddler crab would probably do better with 2 little claws. It cannot feed itself with that stupidly large claw. But it evolved that way because the ladies like it. There are many other examples of male phenotypes which seem burdensome or less than useful, but exist because they are attractive to the opposite sex. Maybe because a male able to tote around such a useless appendage must be vigorous?
Crabs also use the big claws for conspecific combat (read: showing off / intimidating competitor males). That could also be a use of the club hands - which also boils down to sexual selection.
answered Sep 2 at 1:10
Willk
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answered Sep 2 at 1:10
Willk
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answered Sep 2 at 1:10
Willk
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answered Sep 2 at 1:10
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They're still both recognizably claws.
– RonJohn
Sep 2 at 1:14
2
Maybe because a male able to tote around such a useless appendage must be vigorous?That's the standard explanation I've heard. It's basically a way of signalling "I'm carrying around this ridiculous disadvantage and I'm still here, so my genes must be good."
– Cadence
Sep 2 at 1:24
@Cadence or maybe females are shallower than we idealize them...
– RonJohn
Sep 2 at 4:05
add a comment |Â
1
They're still both recognizably claws.
– RonJohn
Sep 2 at 1:14
2
Maybe because a male able to tote around such a useless appendage must be vigorous?That's the standard explanation I've heard. It's basically a way of signalling "I'm carrying around this ridiculous disadvantage and I'm still here, so my genes must be good."
– Cadence
Sep 2 at 1:24
@Cadence or maybe females are shallower than we idealize them...
– RonJohn
Sep 2 at 4:05
1
1
They're still both recognizably claws.
– RonJohn
Sep 2 at 1:14
They're still both recognizably claws.
– RonJohn
Sep 2 at 1:14
2
2
Maybe because a male able to tote around such a useless appendage must be vigorous? That's the standard explanation I've heard. It's basically a way of signalling "I'm carrying around this ridiculous disadvantage and I'm still here, so my genes must be good."– Cadence
Sep 2 at 1:24
Maybe because a male able to tote around such a useless appendage must be vigorous? That's the standard explanation I've heard. It's basically a way of signalling "I'm carrying around this ridiculous disadvantage and I'm still here, so my genes must be good."– Cadence
Sep 2 at 1:24
@Cadence or maybe females are shallower than we idealize them...
– RonJohn
Sep 2 at 4:05
@Cadence or maybe females are shallower than we idealize them...
– RonJohn
Sep 2 at 4:05
add a comment |Â
up vote
5
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One other way to do this is to look at the classic SF novel: "The Mote in God's Eye", where an intelligent alien species has evolved both asymmetry in their limbs, but also a biological caste system where various sub species exist to carry out specialist tasks.
The "Moties" were descended from a six limbs species, but due to high levels of radiation a mutation was passed down which caused the limbs on one side to fuse into a much larger and stronger arm, with the resulting Moties having five limbs. The "Warrior" caste is even more extreme, with all the appendages having sharp claws, spikes on the joints and even the doubled arm being somewhat devolved, with a sharp "claw" like cutting limb tucked under the "armpit" when not extended for fighting.
Rendering of a Motie https://www.deviantart.com/yoggurt/art/White-brown-motie-220557951
The real issue here isn't that something like this isn't possible, but rather to create a clear backstory as to why your creature evolved to look the way you intend. Sexual selection is one possible way, or living in some sort of very dangerous environment where requiring a smashing weapon attached to your arm is advantageous (perhaps the other use is to smash open a coconut sized husk to extract food). Frankly, the level of specialization seems a bit much, since an actual hand on each limb would be far more useful for survival. An asymmetric arm ending in a giant fist, analogous to a Fiddler crab seems to be a more realistic evolutionary adaptation, and the extra large hand will also be far more useful to the creature. Perhaps in addition to the obvious sign of virility, the large hand also assists in both hunting and gathering, or building giant sized structures to attract mates much like the Bower bird
Male Bower bird inside his courtyard
Evolution works in wonderful ways, repurposing existing structures to squeeze the most out of the environments your creature is living in. Have some fun thinking about your back story.
answered Sep 2 at 4:05
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One other way to do this is to look at the classic SF novel: "The Mote in God's Eye", where an intelligent alien species has evolved both asymmetry in their limbs, but also a biological caste system where various sub species exist to carry out specialist tasks.
The "Moties" were descended from a six limbs species, but due to high levels of radiation a mutation was passed down which caused the limbs on one side to fuse into a much larger and stronger arm, with the resulting Moties having five limbs. The "Warrior" caste is even more extreme, with all the appendages having sharp claws, spikes on the joints and even the doubled arm being somewhat devolved, with a sharp "claw" like cutting limb tucked under the "armpit" when not extended for fighting.
Rendering of a Motie https://www.deviantart.com/yoggurt/art/White-brown-motie-220557951
The real issue here isn't that something like this isn't possible, but rather to create a clear backstory as to why your creature evolved to look the way you intend. Sexual selection is one possible way, or living in some sort of very dangerous environment where requiring a smashing weapon attached to your arm is advantageous (perhaps the other use is to smash open a coconut sized husk to extract food). Frankly, the level of specialization seems a bit much, since an actual hand on each limb would be far more useful for survival. An asymmetric arm ending in a giant fist, analogous to a Fiddler crab seems to be a more realistic evolutionary adaptation, and the extra large hand will also be far more useful to the creature. Perhaps in addition to the obvious sign of virility, the large hand also assists in both hunting and gathering, or building giant sized structures to attract mates much like the Bower bird
Male Bower bird inside his courtyard
Evolution works in wonderful ways, repurposing existing structures to squeeze the most out of the environments your creature is living in. Have some fun thinking about your back story.
answered Sep 2 at 4:05
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One other way to do this is to look at the classic SF novel: "The Mote in God's Eye", where an intelligent alien species has evolved both asymmetry in their limbs, but also a biological caste system where various sub species exist to carry out specialist tasks.
The "Moties" were descended from a six limbs species, but due to high levels of radiation a mutation was passed down which caused the limbs on one side to fuse into a much larger and stronger arm, with the resulting Moties having five limbs. The "Warrior" caste is even more extreme, with all the appendages having sharp claws, spikes on the joints and even the doubled arm being somewhat devolved, with a sharp "claw" like cutting limb tucked under the "armpit" when not extended for fighting.
Rendering of a Motie https://www.deviantart.com/yoggurt/art/White-brown-motie-220557951
The real issue here isn't that something like this isn't possible, but rather to create a clear backstory as to why your creature evolved to look the way you intend. Sexual selection is one possible way, or living in some sort of very dangerous environment where requiring a smashing weapon attached to your arm is advantageous (perhaps the other use is to smash open a coconut sized husk to extract food). Frankly, the level of specialization seems a bit much, since an actual hand on each limb would be far more useful for survival. An asymmetric arm ending in a giant fist, analogous to a Fiddler crab seems to be a more realistic evolutionary adaptation, and the extra large hand will also be far more useful to the creature. Perhaps in addition to the obvious sign of virility, the large hand also assists in both hunting and gathering, or building giant sized structures to attract mates much like the Bower bird
Male Bower bird inside his courtyard
Evolution works in wonderful ways, repurposing existing structures to squeeze the most out of the environments your creature is living in. Have some fun thinking about your back story.
answered Sep 2 at 4:05
Thucydides
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One other way to do this is to look at the classic SF novel: "The Mote in God's Eye", where an intelligent alien species has evolved both asymmetry in their limbs, but also a biological caste system where various sub species exist to carry out specialist tasks.
The "Moties" were descended from a six limbs species, but due to high levels of radiation a mutation was passed down which caused the limbs on one side to fuse into a much larger and stronger arm, with the resulting Moties having five limbs. The "Warrior" caste is even more extreme, with all the appendages having sharp claws, spikes on the joints and even the doubled arm being somewhat devolved, with a sharp "claw" like cutting limb tucked under the "armpit" when not extended for fighting.
Rendering of a Motie https://www.deviantart.com/yoggurt/art/White-brown-motie-220557951
The real issue here isn't that something like this isn't possible, but rather to create a clear backstory as to why your creature evolved to look the way you intend. Sexual selection is one possible way, or living in some sort of very dangerous environment where requiring a smashing weapon attached to your arm is advantageous (perhaps the other use is to smash open a coconut sized husk to extract food). Frankly, the level of specialization seems a bit much, since an actual hand on each limb would be far more useful for survival. An asymmetric arm ending in a giant fist, analogous to a Fiddler crab seems to be a more realistic evolutionary adaptation, and the extra large hand will also be far more useful to the creature. Perhaps in addition to the obvious sign of virility, the large hand also assists in both hunting and gathering, or building giant sized structures to attract mates much like the Bower bird
Male Bower bird inside his courtyard
Evolution works in wonderful ways, repurposing existing structures to squeeze the most out of the environments your creature is living in. Have some fun thinking about your back story.
answered Sep 2 at 4:05
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answered Sep 2 at 4:05
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Its like a fiddler crab, where one side is for fighting and display and the other side is for sexual competition. Anyways I'm going to say it's fine so long as there's a clear evolutionary path.
answered Sep 2 at 0:34
Clay Deitas
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Yes, the Fiddler Crab is something I've researched. Mind you, this is beyond asymmetry in proportions, but complete change from one structure to another.
– N Francis
Sep 2 at 0:44
@NFrancis Most snakes only have one lung because the other one was unnecessary. As long as there's a reasonable evolution path (such as keratin thickening into scales or thinning into feathers) you have a lot of wiggle room.
– Clay Deitas
Sep 2 at 1:05
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Its like a fiddler crab, where one side is for fighting and display and the other side is for sexual competition. Anyways I'm going to say it's fine so long as there's a clear evolutionary path.
answered Sep 2 at 0:34
Clay Deitas
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Yes, the Fiddler Crab is something I've researched. Mind you, this is beyond asymmetry in proportions, but complete change from one structure to another.
– N Francis
Sep 2 at 0:44
@NFrancis Most snakes only have one lung because the other one was unnecessary. As long as there's a reasonable evolution path (such as keratin thickening into scales or thinning into feathers) you have a lot of wiggle room.
– Clay Deitas
Sep 2 at 1:05
add a comment |Â
up vote
3
down vote
up vote
3
down vote
Its like a fiddler crab, where one side is for fighting and display and the other side is for sexual competition. Anyways I'm going to say it's fine so long as there's a clear evolutionary path.
answered Sep 2 at 0:34
Clay Deitas
3,560722
Its like a fiddler crab, where one side is for fighting and display and the other side is for sexual competition. Anyways I'm going to say it's fine so long as there's a clear evolutionary path.
answered Sep 2 at 0:34
Clay Deitas
3,560722
answered Sep 2 at 0:34
Clay Deitas
3,560722
answered Sep 2 at 0:34
Clay Deitas
3,560722
answered Sep 2 at 0:34
Clay Deitas
3,560722
3,560722
Yes, the Fiddler Crab is something I've researched. Mind you, this is beyond asymmetry in proportions, but complete change from one structure to another.
– N Francis
Sep 2 at 0:44
@NFrancis Most snakes only have one lung because the other one was unnecessary. As long as there's a reasonable evolution path (such as keratin thickening into scales or thinning into feathers) you have a lot of wiggle room.
– Clay Deitas
Sep 2 at 1:05
add a comment |Â
Yes, the Fiddler Crab is something I've researched. Mind you, this is beyond asymmetry in proportions, but complete change from one structure to another.
– N Francis
Sep 2 at 0:44
@NFrancis Most snakes only have one lung because the other one was unnecessary. As long as there's a reasonable evolution path (such as keratin thickening into scales or thinning into feathers) you have a lot of wiggle room.
– Clay Deitas
Sep 2 at 1:05
Yes, the Fiddler Crab is something I've researched. Mind you, this is beyond asymmetry in proportions, but complete change from one structure to another.
– N Francis
Sep 2 at 0:44
Yes, the Fiddler Crab is something I've researched. Mind you, this is beyond asymmetry in proportions, but complete change from one structure to another.
– N Francis
Sep 2 at 0:44
@NFrancis Most snakes only have one lung because the other one was unnecessary. As long as there's a reasonable evolution path (such as keratin thickening into scales or thinning into feathers) you have a lot of wiggle room.
– Clay Deitas
Sep 2 at 1:05
@NFrancis Most snakes only have one lung because the other one was unnecessary. As long as there's a reasonable evolution path (such as keratin thickening into scales or thinning into feathers) you have a lot of wiggle room.
– Clay Deitas
Sep 2 at 1:05
add a comment |Â
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This is vague enough, and so open to personal opinion that "closed votes" could easily be made based on the "Primarily Opinion Based" rule. What do you judge the right answer on?
– RonJohn
Sep 2 at 1:12
1
Also, I'm dubious whether or not eight fingers would fit on a hand. Five digits seems to have evolved as a happy medium between having enough to do something with them, and yet still fit on the wrist/ankle.
– RonJohn
Sep 2 at 1:17
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Think of crabs and octopi. In many species the appendages of males are not symmetric.
– Renan
Sep 2 at 1:17
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@RonJohn: Stephen Jay Gould, Eight Little Piggies, 1993.
– AlexP
Sep 2 at 3:52
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I assume you want them to be intelligent? Intelligence likely evolves if it allows to greatly expand the niche a species lives in. With asymmetric limbs, that sounds unlikely.
– Karl
Sep 2 at 9:52