Are any of these Soyuz controls involved in separating the orbital module?

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According to this Q & A, it's very likely that the Soyuz spacecraft's orbital module can be manually separated independent of other spacecraft operations.

On this CollectSpace page, there's an excellent photo of a bank of Soyuz control panel buttons with guards to protect against accidental activation of critical functions:

I note that three of the buttons (#3, #12, #13) are labeled with "БO", the abbreviation for бытовой отсек (bytovoi otsek), or Orbital Module. I don't know any Russian, so I can't tell what the remainder of the labels say. It looks like buttons #12 and #13 are labeled very similarly if not identically.

Are any of these labels plausibly interpretable as "separate/jettison/disconnect orbital module"?

Any transliteration/translation/interpretation of the other controls is welcome in addition.

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  @coredump: You really don't want to jettison the service module before you perform the reentry burn.
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According to this Q & A, it's very likely that the Soyuz spacecraft's orbital module can be manually separated independent of other spacecraft operations.

On this CollectSpace page, there's an excellent photo of a bank of Soyuz control panel buttons with guards to protect against accidental activation of critical functions:

I note that three of the buttons (#3, #12, #13) are labeled with "БO", the abbreviation for бытовой отсек (bytovoi otsek), or Orbital Module. I don't know any Russian, so I can't tell what the remainder of the labels say. It looks like buttons #12 and #13 are labeled very similarly if not identically.

Are any of these labels plausibly interpretable as "separate/jettison/disconnect orbital module"?

Any transliteration/translation/interpretation of the other controls is welcome in addition.

spacecraft soyuz-spacecraft russia

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edited Aug 30 at 23:16

asked Aug 30 at 21:20

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  Aug 30 at 22:31
  

  
  
  
  


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  Only one way to find out, press and see what happens.
  – coredump
  Aug 31 at 8:33
  

  
  
  
  


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  4
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  @coredump: You really don't want to jettison the service module before you perform the reentry burn.
  – SF.
  Aug 31 at 8:37
  

  
  
  
  

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up vote
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favorite

up vote
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According to this Q & A, it's very likely that the Soyuz spacecraft's orbital module can be manually separated independent of other spacecraft operations.

On this CollectSpace page, there's an excellent photo of a bank of Soyuz control panel buttons with guards to protect against accidental activation of critical functions:

I note that three of the buttons (#3, #12, #13) are labeled with "БO", the abbreviation for бытовой отсек (bytovoi otsek), or Orbital Module. I don't know any Russian, so I can't tell what the remainder of the labels say. It looks like buttons #12 and #13 are labeled very similarly if not identically.

Are any of these labels plausibly interpretable as "separate/jettison/disconnect orbital module"?

Any transliteration/translation/interpretation of the other controls is welcome in addition.

spacecraft soyuz-spacecraft russia

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edited Aug 30 at 23:16

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According to this Q & A, it's very likely that the Soyuz spacecraft's orbital module can be manually separated independent of other spacecraft operations.

On this CollectSpace page, there's an excellent photo of a bank of Soyuz control panel buttons with guards to protect against accidental activation of critical functions:

I note that three of the buttons (#3, #12, #13) are labeled with "БO", the abbreviation for бытовой отсек (bytovoi otsek), or Orbital Module. I don't know any Russian, so I can't tell what the remainder of the labels say. It looks like buttons #12 and #13 are labeled very similarly if not identically.

Are any of these labels plausibly interpretable as "separate/jettison/disconnect orbital module"?

Any transliteration/translation/interpretation of the other controls is welcome in addition.

spacecraft soyuz-spacecraft russia

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edited Aug 30 at 23:16

asked Aug 30 at 21:20

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edited Aug 30 at 23:16

asked Aug 30 at 21:20

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• 
  
  
  

  
  11
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  laughs question initiated by desperate astronaut on ISS
  – anon
  Aug 30 at 22:31
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  2
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Only one way to find out, press and see what happens.
  – coredump
  Aug 31 at 8:33
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  4
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  @coredump: You really don't want to jettison the service module before you perform the reentry burn.
  – SF.
  Aug 31 at 8:37
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

• 
  
  
  

  
  11
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  laughs question initiated by desperate astronaut on ISS
  – anon
  Aug 30 at 22:31
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  2
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Only one way to find out, press and see what happens.
  – coredump
  Aug 31 at 8:33
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  4
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  @coredump: You really don't want to jettison the service module before you perform the reentry burn.
  – SF.
  Aug 31 at 8:37
  

  
  
  
  

11

11

laughs question initiated by desperate astronaut on ISS
– anon
Aug 30 at 22:31

laughs question initiated by desperate astronaut on ISS
– anon
Aug 30 at 22:31

2

2

Only one way to find out, press and see what happens.
– coredump
Aug 31 at 8:33

Only one way to find out, press and see what happens.
– coredump
Aug 31 at 8:33

4

4

@coredump: You really don't want to jettison the service module before you perform the reentry burn.
– SF.
Aug 31 at 8:37

@coredump: You really don't want to jettison the service module before you perform the reentry burn.
– SF.
Aug 31 at 8:37

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1. Descent/discharge mark (flag, warning, attribute)


2. Preparation to separation


3. Open KSD (pressure relief valve) of BO (orbital module)


4. [explosive] separation of mechanical contacts


5. Choice of DPO-B (Primary Berthing and Attitude Control
   Thrusters) for descent


6. emergency detachment


7. SKD (Orbital Maneuver Engine) on


8. SKD (Orbital Maneuver Engine) off


9. Separation


10. Emergency supply on


11. Connection of pressurized sections


12. (explosive) detachment of BO (orbital module)


13. (explosive) detachment of BO (orbital module)


14. Conservation (Soyuz Crew Ops manual translates it literally as "Conservation, Pickling")


15. thermal sensor on-line


16. thermal sensor off-line


17. prepare dehermetization


18. dehermetization

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The 12th and 13th Critical Command Keys "ОТСТРЕЛ БО" are БО (Orbital Module) Jettison.

The БО separation (jettison) can be executed either automatically on
the nominal separation schedule within the unified cyclogram or on the
ОВК12 and ОВК 13 Critical Commands in case of the urgent descent
before the СКД (Orbital Maneuver Engine) ignition for retrofire.

Perhaps you have to press them both simo? (Still checking on that.)

Source: Soyuz Crew Operations Manual.

This is all I can find from there on the Critical Command Keys.

1. Descent Flag


2. Separation Config (service module?)


3. ?


4. ?


5. ?


6. ?



7. Ignite




8. ?




9. Separation (service module?)



10. Contingency Power On


11. ?


12. Orbital Module Jettison


13. Orbital Module Jettison


14. ?


15. ?



16. Thermal Sensors Disconnect




17. Configur Depressurize (sic) Arm the depress system?



18. Depressurize

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  I wonder if any of the agencies considered pictographs/iconography for controls on international missions.
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  Yeah. The official language of the ISS is English. But...
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  I'm having trouble finding a good gloss; Google translate gives ОТСТРЕЛ -> "dismissed" for uppercase and отстрел -> "shooting" for lowercase.
  – Russell Borogove
  Aug 30 at 23:28
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Good find, though!
  – Russell Borogove
  Aug 30 at 23:31
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  The duplication of the OM jett control is really interesting -- is it really the most drastic of these operations, that it requires the extra guard of simultaneous press?
  – Russell Borogove
  Aug 31 at 2:05
  

  
  
  
  

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1. Descent/discharge mark (flag, warning, attribute)


2. Preparation to separation


3. Open KSD (pressure relief valve) of BO (orbital module)


4. [explosive] separation of mechanical contacts


5. Choice of DPO-B (Primary Berthing and Attitude Control
   Thrusters) for descent


6. emergency detachment


7. SKD (Orbital Maneuver Engine) on


8. SKD (Orbital Maneuver Engine) off


9. Separation


10. Emergency supply on


11. Connection of pressurized sections


12. (explosive) detachment of BO (orbital module)


13. (explosive) detachment of BO (orbital module)


14. Conservation (Soyuz Crew Ops manual translates it literally as "Conservation, Pickling")


15. thermal sensor on-line


16. thermal sensor off-line


17. prepare dehermetization


18. dehermetization

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up vote
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1. Descent/discharge mark (flag, warning, attribute)


2. Preparation to separation


3. Open KSD (pressure relief valve) of BO (orbital module)


4. [explosive] separation of mechanical contacts


5. Choice of DPO-B (Primary Berthing and Attitude Control
   Thrusters) for descent


6. emergency detachment


7. SKD (Orbital Maneuver Engine) on


8. SKD (Orbital Maneuver Engine) off


9. Separation


10. Emergency supply on


11. Connection of pressurized sections


12. (explosive) detachment of BO (orbital module)


13. (explosive) detachment of BO (orbital module)


14. Conservation (Soyuz Crew Ops manual translates it literally as "Conservation, Pickling")


15. thermal sensor on-line


16. thermal sensor off-line


17. prepare dehermetization


18. dehermetization

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edited Aug 31 at 9:31

answered Aug 31 at 1:11

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1. Descent/discharge mark (flag, warning, attribute)


2. Preparation to separation


3. Open KSD (pressure relief valve) of BO (orbital module)


4. [explosive] separation of mechanical contacts


5. Choice of DPO-B (Primary Berthing and Attitude Control
   Thrusters) for descent


6. emergency detachment


7. SKD (Orbital Maneuver Engine) on


8. SKD (Orbital Maneuver Engine) off


9. Separation


10. Emergency supply on


11. Connection of pressurized sections


12. (explosive) detachment of BO (orbital module)


13. (explosive) detachment of BO (orbital module)


14. Conservation (Soyuz Crew Ops manual translates it literally as "Conservation, Pickling")


15. thermal sensor on-line


16. thermal sensor off-line


17. prepare dehermetization


18. dehermetization

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answered Aug 31 at 1:11

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1. Descent/discharge mark (flag, warning, attribute)


2. Preparation to separation


3. Open KSD (pressure relief valve) of BO (orbital module)


4. [explosive] separation of mechanical contacts


5. Choice of DPO-B (Primary Berthing and Attitude Control
   Thrusters) for descent


6. emergency detachment


7. SKD (Orbital Maneuver Engine) on


8. SKD (Orbital Maneuver Engine) off


9. Separation


10. Emergency supply on


11. Connection of pressurized sections


12. (explosive) detachment of BO (orbital module)


13. (explosive) detachment of BO (orbital module)


14. Conservation (Soyuz Crew Ops manual translates it literally as "Conservation, Pickling")


15. thermal sensor on-line


16. thermal sensor off-line


17. prepare dehermetization


18. dehermetization

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answered Aug 31 at 1:11

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The 12th and 13th Critical Command Keys "ОТСТРЕЛ БО" are БО (Orbital Module) Jettison.

The БО separation (jettison) can be executed either automatically on
the nominal separation schedule within the unified cyclogram or on the
ОВК12 and ОВК 13 Critical Commands in case of the urgent descent
before the СКД (Orbital Maneuver Engine) ignition for retrofire.

Perhaps you have to press them both simo? (Still checking on that.)

Source: Soyuz Crew Operations Manual.

This is all I can find from there on the Critical Command Keys.

1. Descent Flag


2. Separation Config (service module?)


3. ?


4. ?


5. ?


6. ?



7. Ignite




8. ?




9. Separation (service module?)



10. Contingency Power On


11. ?


12. Orbital Module Jettison


13. Orbital Module Jettison


14. ?


15. ?



16. Thermal Sensors Disconnect




17. Configur Depressurize (sic) Arm the depress system?



18. Depressurize

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edited Aug 30 at 22:45

answered Aug 30 at 22:27

Organic Marble

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• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  I wonder if any of the agencies considered pictographs/iconography for controls on international missions.
  – anon
  Aug 30 at 22:33
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Yeah. The official language of the ISS is English. But...
  – Organic Marble
  Aug 30 at 22:39
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  I'm having trouble finding a good gloss; Google translate gives ОТСТРЕЛ -> "dismissed" for uppercase and отстрел -> "shooting" for lowercase.
  – Russell Borogove
  Aug 30 at 23:28
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Good find, though!
  – Russell Borogove
  Aug 30 at 23:31
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  The duplication of the OM jett control is really interesting -- is it really the most drastic of these operations, that it requires the extra guard of simultaneous press?
  – Russell Borogove
  Aug 31 at 2:05
  

  
  
  
  

 | 
show 3 more comments

up vote
12
down vote

The 12th and 13th Critical Command Keys "ОТСТРЕЛ БО" are БО (Orbital Module) Jettison.

The БО separation (jettison) can be executed either automatically on
the nominal separation schedule within the unified cyclogram or on the
ОВК12 and ОВК 13 Critical Commands in case of the urgent descent
before the СКД (Orbital Maneuver Engine) ignition for retrofire.

Perhaps you have to press them both simo? (Still checking on that.)

Source: Soyuz Crew Operations Manual.

This is all I can find from there on the Critical Command Keys.

1. Descent Flag


2. Separation Config (service module?)


3. ?


4. ?


5. ?


6. ?



7. Ignite




8. ?




9. Separation (service module?)



10. Contingency Power On


11. ?


12. Orbital Module Jettison


13. Orbital Module Jettison


14. ?


15. ?



16. Thermal Sensors Disconnect




17. Configur Depressurize (sic) Arm the depress system?



18. Depressurize

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edited Aug 30 at 22:45

answered Aug 30 at 22:27

Organic Marble

46.8k2119199

• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  I wonder if any of the agencies considered pictographs/iconography for controls on international missions.
  – anon
  Aug 30 at 22:33
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Yeah. The official language of the ISS is English. But...
  – Organic Marble
  Aug 30 at 22:39
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  I'm having trouble finding a good gloss; Google translate gives ОТСТРЕЛ -> "dismissed" for uppercase and отстрел -> "shooting" for lowercase.
  – Russell Borogove
  Aug 30 at 23:28
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Good find, though!
  – Russell Borogove
  Aug 30 at 23:31
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  The duplication of the OM jett control is really interesting -- is it really the most drastic of these operations, that it requires the extra guard of simultaneous press?
  – Russell Borogove
  Aug 31 at 2:05
  

  
  
  
  

 | 
show 3 more comments

up vote
12
down vote

up vote
12
down vote

The 12th and 13th Critical Command Keys "ОТСТРЕЛ БО" are БО (Orbital Module) Jettison.

The БО separation (jettison) can be executed either automatically on
the nominal separation schedule within the unified cyclogram or on the
ОВК12 and ОВК 13 Critical Commands in case of the urgent descent
before the СКД (Orbital Maneuver Engine) ignition for retrofire.

Perhaps you have to press them both simo? (Still checking on that.)

Source: Soyuz Crew Operations Manual.

This is all I can find from there on the Critical Command Keys.

1. Descent Flag


2. Separation Config (service module?)


3. ?


4. ?


5. ?


6. ?



7. Ignite




8. ?




9. Separation (service module?)



10. Contingency Power On


11. ?


12. Orbital Module Jettison


13. Orbital Module Jettison


14. ?


15. ?



16. Thermal Sensors Disconnect




17. Configur Depressurize (sic) Arm the depress system?



18. Depressurize

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edited Aug 30 at 22:45

answered Aug 30 at 22:27

Organic Marble

46.8k2119199

The 12th and 13th Critical Command Keys "ОТСТРЕЛ БО" are БО (Orbital Module) Jettison.

The БО separation (jettison) can be executed either automatically on
the nominal separation schedule within the unified cyclogram or on the
ОВК12 and ОВК 13 Critical Commands in case of the urgent descent
before the СКД (Orbital Maneuver Engine) ignition for retrofire.

Perhaps you have to press them both simo? (Still checking on that.)

Source: Soyuz Crew Operations Manual.

This is all I can find from there on the Critical Command Keys.

1. Descent Flag


2. Separation Config (service module?)


3. ?


4. ?


5. ?


6. ?



7. Ignite




8. ?




9. Separation (service module?)



10. Contingency Power On


11. ?


12. Orbital Module Jettison


13. Orbital Module Jettison


14. ?


15. ?



16. Thermal Sensors Disconnect




17. Configur Depressurize (sic) Arm the depress system?



18. Depressurize

share|improve this answer

edited Aug 30 at 22:45

answered Aug 30 at 22:27

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answered Aug 30 at 22:27

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46.8k2119199

• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  I wonder if any of the agencies considered pictographs/iconography for controls on international missions.
  – anon
  Aug 30 at 22:33
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Yeah. The official language of the ISS is English. But...
  – Organic Marble
  Aug 30 at 22:39
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  I'm having trouble finding a good gloss; Google translate gives ОТСТРЕЛ -> "dismissed" for uppercase and отстрел -> "shooting" for lowercase.
  – Russell Borogove
  Aug 30 at 23:28
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Good find, though!
  – Russell Borogove
  Aug 30 at 23:31
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  The duplication of the OM jett control is really interesting -- is it really the most drastic of these operations, that it requires the extra guard of simultaneous press?
  – Russell Borogove
  Aug 31 at 2:05
  

  
  
  
  

 | 
show 3 more comments

• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  I wonder if any of the agencies considered pictographs/iconography for controls on international missions.
  – anon
  Aug 30 at 22:33
  

  
  
  
  


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  Yeah. The official language of the ISS is English. But...
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  I'm having trouble finding a good gloss; Google translate gives ОТСТРЕЛ -> "dismissed" for uppercase and отстрел -> "shooting" for lowercase.
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  Good find, though!
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  The duplication of the OM jett control is really interesting -- is it really the most drastic of these operations, that it requires the extra guard of simultaneous press?
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I wonder if any of the agencies considered pictographs/iconography for controls on international missions.
– anon
Aug 30 at 22:33

I wonder if any of the agencies considered pictographs/iconography for controls on international missions.
– anon
Aug 30 at 22:33

Yeah. The official language of the ISS is English. But...
– Organic Marble
Aug 30 at 22:39

Yeah. The official language of the ISS is English. But...
– Organic Marble
Aug 30 at 22:39

I'm having trouble finding a good gloss; Google translate gives ОТСТРЕЛ -> "dismissed" for uppercase and отстрел -> "shooting" for lowercase.
– Russell Borogove
Aug 30 at 23:28

I'm having trouble finding a good gloss; Google translate gives ОТСТРЕЛ -> "dismissed" for uppercase and отстрел -> "shooting" for lowercase.
– Russell Borogove
Aug 30 at 23:28

Good find, though!
– Russell Borogove
Aug 30 at 23:31

Good find, though!
– Russell Borogove
Aug 30 at 23:31

1

1

The duplication of the OM jett control is really interesting -- is it really the most drastic of these operations, that it requires the extra guard of simultaneous press?
– Russell Borogove
Aug 31 at 2:05

The duplication of the OM jett control is really interesting -- is it really the most drastic of these operations, that it requires the extra guard of simultaneous press?
– Russell Borogove
Aug 31 at 2:05

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