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I'm applying for an internship at a university (I'm a student) and the form has a table asking for absences at my last job, with the number of sick days, reason and approximate date as the columns.
I haven't had any sick days but this seems like a bit of a discriminatory question. Is it legal for them to ask this? If not, is it okay for me to merge the columns and state that sick days were not an issue?
applications united-kingdom sickness
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I'm applying for an internship at a university (I'm a student) and the form has a table asking for absences at my last job, with the number of sick days, reason and approximate date as the columns.
I haven't had any sick days but this seems like a bit of a discriminatory question. Is it legal for them to ask this? If not, is it okay for me to merge the columns and state that sick days were not an issue?
applications united-kingdom sickness
edited Aug 27 at 15:04
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closed as off-topic by gnat, OldPadawan, Michael Grubey, GOATNine, YElm Aug 30 at 6:07
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I understand why this was put on hold. However, this isn't "company-specific"- I've seen many companies do this and people are unaware of the fact that the question is illegal. If it had been locked earlier before a good answer was added then where should a question like this have gone?
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I'm applying for an internship at a university (I'm a student) and the form has a table asking for absences at my last job, with the number of sick days, reason and approximate date as the columns.
I haven't had any sick days but this seems like a bit of a discriminatory question. Is it legal for them to ask this? If not, is it okay for me to merge the columns and state that sick days were not an issue?
applications united-kingdom sickness
edited Aug 27 at 15:04
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I'm applying for an internship at a university (I'm a student) and the form has a table asking for absences at my last job, with the number of sick days, reason and approximate date as the columns.
I haven't had any sick days but this seems like a bit of a discriminatory question. Is it legal for them to ask this? If not, is it okay for me to merge the columns and state that sick days were not an issue?
applications united-kingdom sickness
edited Aug 27 at 15:04
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asked Aug 27 at 14:45
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edited Aug 27 at 15:04
David K
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edited Aug 27 at 15:04
David K
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I understand why this was put on hold. However, this isn't "company-specific"- I've seen many companies do this and people are unaware of the fact that the question is illegal. If it had been locked earlier before a good answer was added then where should a question like this have gone?
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I understand why this was put on hold. However, this isn't "company-specific"- I've seen many companies do this and people are unaware of the fact that the question is illegal. If it had been locked earlier before a good answer was added then where should a question like this have gone?
– Lolums
Aug 31 at 8:59
I understand why this was put on hold. However, this isn't "company-specific"- I've seen many companies do this and people are unaware of the fact that the question is illegal. If it had been locked earlier before a good answer was added then where should a question like this have gone?
– Lolums
Aug 31 at 8:59
I understand why this was put on hold. However, this isn't "company-specific"- I've seen many companies do this and people are unaware of the fact that the question is illegal. If it had been locked earlier before a good answer was added then where should a question like this have gone?
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This is an absolute no-go.
See page 129 of the Equality Act 2010 Code of Practice:
https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/employercode.pdf
Pre-employment enquiries about disability and health
10.25 Except in the specific circumstances set out below, it is unlawful for an employer to ask any job applicant about their
disability or health until the applicant has been offered a job (on a
conditional or unconditional basis) or has been included in a pool of
successful candidates to be offered a job when a position becomes
available. This includes asking such a question as part of the
application process or during an interview. Questions relating to
previous sickness absence are questions that relate to disability or
health. (my emphasis)
Forward this through to the University (anonymously if you’d prefer), I am quite sure they will change their application form double-quick :-)
answered Aug 27 at 18:13
Joe Stevens
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@Joe Strazzere They can send the email anonymously, using a throwaway address. But I am 100% certain no university HR department will want to fall foul of the Equality Act.
– Joe Stevens
Aug 27 at 18:34
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@JoeStevens they don't want to fall foul of the law, but that doesn't mean they won't let the refusal to provide the information, even if backed by references to the law, influence their decision.
– jwenting
Aug 28 at 6:18
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@JoeStrazzere: You're eerily close to arguing that one should acquiesce to illegal requests when they really need something. If a (future) employer excludes you because you refuse to respond to an illegal request, you really shouldn't work for that employer. Also keep in mind that OP isn't asking how to ensure he gets the job, he's asking if this question is legal to begin with.
– Flater
Aug 28 at 8:08
The interesting thing is though, that they may not ask for this information BEFORE one received a job offer/became a successful candidate. What about afterwards though?Seems to be legal then...
– DigitalBlade969
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Since you had no sick days, you can put in zero and be done with it.
However, if you had sick days and / or simply don't want to answer out of principle or because you're uncomfortable to disclose such private information just leave it blank.
Chances are, they won't follow up.
I don't know UK law regarding this but it strikes me as a privacy and medical confidentiality issue and they probably have no legal basis in asking this information.
Should they inquire further you may straight out say, you prefer not to answer (which might let them conclude you had a lot).
You could also ask them directly for the reasoning why they want to know this sort of private information.
After all, it is between you and your former employer and short of pre-existing conditions not repetitive.
Frankly, I don't see this being any of their business.
Should they want to know of any medical condition that may cause sick days while you work for them, they should have asked for that instead. ( that is actually a much more valid question)
In a conversation where they are persistent and you simply don't want to give them that information attempt to deflect by saying something along the lines of
"I can't remember exactly, not many (if that's true)", or "Unless there would be a chronic health issue, I don't think past sick days would provide enough insight into future capabilities to work.", or "it doesn't seem to be relevant information that would warrant private inquiries"
make sure to say in any case or if they're irritated
"I'm not in the habit of calling in sick if I'm not."
because that is basically what they want, to see a pattern of behavior.
You may also answer in a light, slightly humorous form signaling "between the lines" that you don't recognize the validity / importance of the question nor intend to answer it.
If they're making a fuzz about this, you probably don't want to intern there anyways, so don't sweat it if they won't pick you over this.
...unless the internship is extremely good / prestigious or helpful to your academic career, then you might contemplate answering...
Get some free legal advice if you can, this is at least a learning experience for you on how to deal with future questions like these from prospective employers.
answered Aug 27 at 15:09
DigitalBlade969
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Except for the first line, you're answering a hypothetical question that the OP didn't ask.
– Dmitry Grigoryev
Aug 28 at 14:34
@DmitryGrigoryev Well,he also asked if it's legal,discriminatory and if he should merge the columns saying "not an issue". So I gave my take on those as well,adding alternatives to his options. In addition I believe this sites' purpose is also to have others with similar questions find possible answers. Hence exploring the case of having sick days. Plus,he might out of principle not want to even state anything specific concerning his sick days/reason for/medical info.After all,"not an issue" as he said may imply unwillingness to give a number at all...it is not stating zero (;
– DigitalBlade969
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I haven't had any sick days but this seems like a bit of a discriminatory question.
Don't overthink questions or change columns which do not even apply to you, just answer that you had no sick days using their template.
answered Aug 27 at 16:28
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To clarify: Answer that you had no sick days if you had no sick days, or answer that you had no sick days whether you had sick days or not?
– gnasher729
Aug 27 at 18:01
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@gnasher729 I admit my English isn't great but the answer doesn't need any such clarification. It already includes both the OP saying they have no sick days and 'which do not even apply to you'
– Kilisi
Aug 27 at 18:05
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The op isn't wondering how to fill our the form. They are wondering if by asking the question the university has broken the law. The OP may be wondering if they should even apply to a place that is breaking the law (if they indeed are)
– Richard Tingle
Aug 27 at 21:36
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@RichardTingle op wants to merge columns, it's part of the question, if you actually read it.
– Kilisi
Aug 28 at 4:16
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@kilisi I did read it, it's a throw away comment and not the main substance of the question
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Aug 28 at 8:19
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is it okay for me to merge the columns and state that sick days were
not an issue?
You can always ignore an application question, or answer "it wasn't an issue" and hope for the best.
The company can often respond by not hiring you because of your lack of answer. I never hired anyone who chose not to answer my questions.
Local laws may apply.
answered Aug 27 at 15:19
Joe Strazzere
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@JoeStrazzere I think what's painful is the implication: "Oh, you had 5 sick days, that's too many, sorry we won't hire you". It seems like a really odd question, I've never had an employer ask that kind of thing. It also seems odd because (at least in the USA) the number of sick days is generally pretty limited, or comes out of vacation time, so the number will be somewhere around 0 to 10 days for everyone. Are you really going to make a hiring decision based on that?
– DaveG
Aug 27 at 17:57
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"But apparently they deem it worthy of asking. If the OP wants to get hired, it should be answered." So if a company asks a question, it should always be answered? What if they ask for your religion? Your race? Your gender? Marital status? How many kids you have? There are so many questions that should not be answered and may even be illegal, because they are a strong indication of discriminatory hiring practices. Asking about number of sick days is a great way to decide you don't want to hire someone because their cancer might relapse.
– David K
Aug 27 at 18:22
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@JoeStrazzere I suppose given that the question is illegal, the other approach to take is to make up the desired answer (I'm a 30 year old dev who has never taken a sick day). They can't ask your previous employer and they can't very well complain later on that you lied about something they can't ask about.
– DaveG
Aug 27 at 18:46
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If I found an illegal question on an application, and if the employer disqualified me for pointing out that it is illegal, it was probably best for the both of us.
– stannius
Aug 27 at 23:08
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I would add that certain countries like Germany even allow straight up lying about illegal questions, and entering something benign into this form would be permissible, to my knowledge.
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This is an absolute no-go.
See page 129 of the Equality Act 2010 Code of Practice:
https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/employercode.pdf
Pre-employment enquiries about disability and health
10.25 Except in the specific circumstances set out below, it is unlawful for an employer to ask any job applicant about their
disability or health until the applicant has been offered a job (on a
conditional or unconditional basis) or has been included in a pool of
successful candidates to be offered a job when a position becomes
available. This includes asking such a question as part of the
application process or during an interview. Questions relating to
previous sickness absence are questions that relate to disability or
health. (my emphasis)
Forward this through to the University (anonymously if you’d prefer), I am quite sure they will change their application form double-quick :-)
answered Aug 27 at 18:13
Joe Stevens
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@Joe Strazzere They can send the email anonymously, using a throwaway address. But I am 100% certain no university HR department will want to fall foul of the Equality Act.
– Joe Stevens
Aug 27 at 18:34
3
@JoeStevens they don't want to fall foul of the law, but that doesn't mean they won't let the refusal to provide the information, even if backed by references to the law, influence their decision.
– jwenting
Aug 28 at 6:18
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@JoeStrazzere: You're eerily close to arguing that one should acquiesce to illegal requests when they really need something. If a (future) employer excludes you because you refuse to respond to an illegal request, you really shouldn't work for that employer. Also keep in mind that OP isn't asking how to ensure he gets the job, he's asking if this question is legal to begin with.
– Flater
Aug 28 at 8:08
The interesting thing is though, that they may not ask for this information BEFORE one received a job offer/became a successful candidate. What about afterwards though?Seems to be legal then...
– DigitalBlade969
Aug 29 at 17:03
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up vote
109
down vote
accepted
This is an absolute no-go.
See page 129 of the Equality Act 2010 Code of Practice:
https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/employercode.pdf
Pre-employment enquiries about disability and health
10.25 Except in the specific circumstances set out below, it is unlawful for an employer to ask any job applicant about their
disability or health until the applicant has been offered a job (on a
conditional or unconditional basis) or has been included in a pool of
successful candidates to be offered a job when a position becomes
available. This includes asking such a question as part of the
application process or during an interview. Questions relating to
previous sickness absence are questions that relate to disability or
health. (my emphasis)
Forward this through to the University (anonymously if you’d prefer), I am quite sure they will change their application form double-quick :-)
answered Aug 27 at 18:13
Joe Stevens
1,419148
33
@Joe Strazzere They can send the email anonymously, using a throwaway address. But I am 100% certain no university HR department will want to fall foul of the Equality Act.
– Joe Stevens
Aug 27 at 18:34
3
@JoeStevens they don't want to fall foul of the law, but that doesn't mean they won't let the refusal to provide the information, even if backed by references to the law, influence their decision.
– jwenting
Aug 28 at 6:18
34
@JoeStrazzere: You're eerily close to arguing that one should acquiesce to illegal requests when they really need something. If a (future) employer excludes you because you refuse to respond to an illegal request, you really shouldn't work for that employer. Also keep in mind that OP isn't asking how to ensure he gets the job, he's asking if this question is legal to begin with.
– Flater
Aug 28 at 8:08
The interesting thing is though, that they may not ask for this information BEFORE one received a job offer/became a successful candidate. What about afterwards though?Seems to be legal then...
– DigitalBlade969
Aug 29 at 17:03
add a comment |Â
up vote
109
down vote
accepted
up vote
109
down vote
accepted
This is an absolute no-go.
See page 129 of the Equality Act 2010 Code of Practice:
https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/employercode.pdf
Pre-employment enquiries about disability and health
10.25 Except in the specific circumstances set out below, it is unlawful for an employer to ask any job applicant about their
disability or health until the applicant has been offered a job (on a
conditional or unconditional basis) or has been included in a pool of
successful candidates to be offered a job when a position becomes
available. This includes asking such a question as part of the
application process or during an interview. Questions relating to
previous sickness absence are questions that relate to disability or
health. (my emphasis)
Forward this through to the University (anonymously if you’d prefer), I am quite sure they will change their application form double-quick :-)
answered Aug 27 at 18:13
Joe Stevens
1,419148
This is an absolute no-go.
See page 129 of the Equality Act 2010 Code of Practice:
https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/employercode.pdf
Pre-employment enquiries about disability and health
10.25 Except in the specific circumstances set out below, it is unlawful for an employer to ask any job applicant about their
disability or health until the applicant has been offered a job (on a
conditional or unconditional basis) or has been included in a pool of
successful candidates to be offered a job when a position becomes
available. This includes asking such a question as part of the
application process or during an interview. Questions relating to
previous sickness absence are questions that relate to disability or
health. (my emphasis)
Forward this through to the University (anonymously if you’d prefer), I am quite sure they will change their application form double-quick :-)
answered Aug 27 at 18:13
Joe Stevens
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Joe Stevens
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@Joe Strazzere They can send the email anonymously, using a throwaway address. But I am 100% certain no university HR department will want to fall foul of the Equality Act.
– Joe Stevens
Aug 27 at 18:34
3
@JoeStevens they don't want to fall foul of the law, but that doesn't mean they won't let the refusal to provide the information, even if backed by references to the law, influence their decision.
– jwenting
Aug 28 at 6:18
34
@JoeStrazzere: You're eerily close to arguing that one should acquiesce to illegal requests when they really need something. If a (future) employer excludes you because you refuse to respond to an illegal request, you really shouldn't work for that employer. Also keep in mind that OP isn't asking how to ensure he gets the job, he's asking if this question is legal to begin with.
– Flater
Aug 28 at 8:08
The interesting thing is though, that they may not ask for this information BEFORE one received a job offer/became a successful candidate. What about afterwards though?Seems to be legal then...
– DigitalBlade969
Aug 29 at 17:03
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@Joe Strazzere They can send the email anonymously, using a throwaway address. But I am 100% certain no university HR department will want to fall foul of the Equality Act.
– Joe Stevens
Aug 27 at 18:34
3
@JoeStevens they don't want to fall foul of the law, but that doesn't mean they won't let the refusal to provide the information, even if backed by references to the law, influence their decision.
– jwenting
Aug 28 at 6:18
34
@JoeStrazzere: You're eerily close to arguing that one should acquiesce to illegal requests when they really need something. If a (future) employer excludes you because you refuse to respond to an illegal request, you really shouldn't work for that employer. Also keep in mind that OP isn't asking how to ensure he gets the job, he's asking if this question is legal to begin with.
– Flater
Aug 28 at 8:08
The interesting thing is though, that they may not ask for this information BEFORE one received a job offer/became a successful candidate. What about afterwards though?Seems to be legal then...
– DigitalBlade969
Aug 29 at 17:03
33
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@Joe Strazzere They can send the email anonymously, using a throwaway address. But I am 100% certain no university HR department will want to fall foul of the Equality Act.
– Joe Stevens
Aug 27 at 18:34
@Joe Strazzere They can send the email anonymously, using a throwaway address. But I am 100% certain no university HR department will want to fall foul of the Equality Act.
– Joe Stevens
Aug 27 at 18:34
3
3
@JoeStevens they don't want to fall foul of the law, but that doesn't mean they won't let the refusal to provide the information, even if backed by references to the law, influence their decision.
– jwenting
Aug 28 at 6:18
@JoeStevens they don't want to fall foul of the law, but that doesn't mean they won't let the refusal to provide the information, even if backed by references to the law, influence their decision.
– jwenting
Aug 28 at 6:18
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34
@JoeStrazzere: You're eerily close to arguing that one should acquiesce to illegal requests when they really need something. If a (future) employer excludes you because you refuse to respond to an illegal request, you really shouldn't work for that employer. Also keep in mind that OP isn't asking how to ensure he gets the job, he's asking if this question is legal to begin with.
– Flater
Aug 28 at 8:08
@JoeStrazzere: You're eerily close to arguing that one should acquiesce to illegal requests when they really need something. If a (future) employer excludes you because you refuse to respond to an illegal request, you really shouldn't work for that employer. Also keep in mind that OP isn't asking how to ensure he gets the job, he's asking if this question is legal to begin with.
– Flater
Aug 28 at 8:08
The interesting thing is though, that they may not ask for this information BEFORE one received a job offer/became a successful candidate. What about afterwards though?Seems to be legal then...
– DigitalBlade969
Aug 29 at 17:03
The interesting thing is though, that they may not ask for this information BEFORE one received a job offer/became a successful candidate. What about afterwards though?Seems to be legal then...
– DigitalBlade969
Aug 29 at 17:03
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Since you had no sick days, you can put in zero and be done with it.
However, if you had sick days and / or simply don't want to answer out of principle or because you're uncomfortable to disclose such private information just leave it blank.
Chances are, they won't follow up.
I don't know UK law regarding this but it strikes me as a privacy and medical confidentiality issue and they probably have no legal basis in asking this information.
Should they inquire further you may straight out say, you prefer not to answer (which might let them conclude you had a lot).
You could also ask them directly for the reasoning why they want to know this sort of private information.
After all, it is between you and your former employer and short of pre-existing conditions not repetitive.
Frankly, I don't see this being any of their business.
Should they want to know of any medical condition that may cause sick days while you work for them, they should have asked for that instead. ( that is actually a much more valid question)
In a conversation where they are persistent and you simply don't want to give them that information attempt to deflect by saying something along the lines of
"I can't remember exactly, not many (if that's true)", or "Unless there would be a chronic health issue, I don't think past sick days would provide enough insight into future capabilities to work.", or "it doesn't seem to be relevant information that would warrant private inquiries"
make sure to say in any case or if they're irritated
"I'm not in the habit of calling in sick if I'm not."
because that is basically what they want, to see a pattern of behavior.
You may also answer in a light, slightly humorous form signaling "between the lines" that you don't recognize the validity / importance of the question nor intend to answer it.
If they're making a fuzz about this, you probably don't want to intern there anyways, so don't sweat it if they won't pick you over this.
...unless the internship is extremely good / prestigious or helpful to your academic career, then you might contemplate answering...
Get some free legal advice if you can, this is at least a learning experience for you on how to deal with future questions like these from prospective employers.
answered Aug 27 at 15:09
DigitalBlade969
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Except for the first line, you're answering a hypothetical question that the OP didn't ask.
– Dmitry Grigoryev
Aug 28 at 14:34
@DmitryGrigoryev Well,he also asked if it's legal,discriminatory and if he should merge the columns saying "not an issue". So I gave my take on those as well,adding alternatives to his options. In addition I believe this sites' purpose is also to have others with similar questions find possible answers. Hence exploring the case of having sick days. Plus,he might out of principle not want to even state anything specific concerning his sick days/reason for/medical info.After all,"not an issue" as he said may imply unwillingness to give a number at all...it is not stating zero (;
– DigitalBlade969
Aug 29 at 15:42
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Since you had no sick days, you can put in zero and be done with it.
However, if you had sick days and / or simply don't want to answer out of principle or because you're uncomfortable to disclose such private information just leave it blank.
Chances are, they won't follow up.
I don't know UK law regarding this but it strikes me as a privacy and medical confidentiality issue and they probably have no legal basis in asking this information.
Should they inquire further you may straight out say, you prefer not to answer (which might let them conclude you had a lot).
You could also ask them directly for the reasoning why they want to know this sort of private information.
After all, it is between you and your former employer and short of pre-existing conditions not repetitive.
Frankly, I don't see this being any of their business.
Should they want to know of any medical condition that may cause sick days while you work for them, they should have asked for that instead. ( that is actually a much more valid question)
In a conversation where they are persistent and you simply don't want to give them that information attempt to deflect by saying something along the lines of
"I can't remember exactly, not many (if that's true)", or "Unless there would be a chronic health issue, I don't think past sick days would provide enough insight into future capabilities to work.", or "it doesn't seem to be relevant information that would warrant private inquiries"
make sure to say in any case or if they're irritated
"I'm not in the habit of calling in sick if I'm not."
because that is basically what they want, to see a pattern of behavior.
You may also answer in a light, slightly humorous form signaling "between the lines" that you don't recognize the validity / importance of the question nor intend to answer it.
If they're making a fuzz about this, you probably don't want to intern there anyways, so don't sweat it if they won't pick you over this.
...unless the internship is extremely good / prestigious or helpful to your academic career, then you might contemplate answering...
Get some free legal advice if you can, this is at least a learning experience for you on how to deal with future questions like these from prospective employers.
answered Aug 27 at 15:09
DigitalBlade969
2,1551314
Except for the first line, you're answering a hypothetical question that the OP didn't ask.
– Dmitry Grigoryev
Aug 28 at 14:34
@DmitryGrigoryev Well,he also asked if it's legal,discriminatory and if he should merge the columns saying "not an issue". So I gave my take on those as well,adding alternatives to his options. In addition I believe this sites' purpose is also to have others with similar questions find possible answers. Hence exploring the case of having sick days. Plus,he might out of principle not want to even state anything specific concerning his sick days/reason for/medical info.After all,"not an issue" as he said may imply unwillingness to give a number at all...it is not stating zero (;
– DigitalBlade969
Aug 29 at 15:42
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up vote
4
down vote
up vote
4
down vote
Since you had no sick days, you can put in zero and be done with it.
However, if you had sick days and / or simply don't want to answer out of principle or because you're uncomfortable to disclose such private information just leave it blank.
Chances are, they won't follow up.
I don't know UK law regarding this but it strikes me as a privacy and medical confidentiality issue and they probably have no legal basis in asking this information.
Should they inquire further you may straight out say, you prefer not to answer (which might let them conclude you had a lot).
You could also ask them directly for the reasoning why they want to know this sort of private information.
After all, it is between you and your former employer and short of pre-existing conditions not repetitive.
Frankly, I don't see this being any of their business.
Should they want to know of any medical condition that may cause sick days while you work for them, they should have asked for that instead. ( that is actually a much more valid question)
In a conversation where they are persistent and you simply don't want to give them that information attempt to deflect by saying something along the lines of
"I can't remember exactly, not many (if that's true)", or "Unless there would be a chronic health issue, I don't think past sick days would provide enough insight into future capabilities to work.", or "it doesn't seem to be relevant information that would warrant private inquiries"
make sure to say in any case or if they're irritated
"I'm not in the habit of calling in sick if I'm not."
because that is basically what they want, to see a pattern of behavior.
You may also answer in a light, slightly humorous form signaling "between the lines" that you don't recognize the validity / importance of the question nor intend to answer it.
If they're making a fuzz about this, you probably don't want to intern there anyways, so don't sweat it if they won't pick you over this.
...unless the internship is extremely good / prestigious or helpful to your academic career, then you might contemplate answering...
Get some free legal advice if you can, this is at least a learning experience for you on how to deal with future questions like these from prospective employers.
answered Aug 27 at 15:09
DigitalBlade969
2,1551314
Since you had no sick days, you can put in zero and be done with it.
However, if you had sick days and / or simply don't want to answer out of principle or because you're uncomfortable to disclose such private information just leave it blank.
Chances are, they won't follow up.
I don't know UK law regarding this but it strikes me as a privacy and medical confidentiality issue and they probably have no legal basis in asking this information.
Should they inquire further you may straight out say, you prefer not to answer (which might let them conclude you had a lot).
You could also ask them directly for the reasoning why they want to know this sort of private information.
After all, it is between you and your former employer and short of pre-existing conditions not repetitive.
Frankly, I don't see this being any of their business.
Should they want to know of any medical condition that may cause sick days while you work for them, they should have asked for that instead. ( that is actually a much more valid question)
In a conversation where they are persistent and you simply don't want to give them that information attempt to deflect by saying something along the lines of
"I can't remember exactly, not many (if that's true)", or "Unless there would be a chronic health issue, I don't think past sick days would provide enough insight into future capabilities to work.", or "it doesn't seem to be relevant information that would warrant private inquiries"
make sure to say in any case or if they're irritated
"I'm not in the habit of calling in sick if I'm not."
because that is basically what they want, to see a pattern of behavior.
You may also answer in a light, slightly humorous form signaling "between the lines" that you don't recognize the validity / importance of the question nor intend to answer it.
If they're making a fuzz about this, you probably don't want to intern there anyways, so don't sweat it if they won't pick you over this.
...unless the internship is extremely good / prestigious or helpful to your academic career, then you might contemplate answering...
Get some free legal advice if you can, this is at least a learning experience for you on how to deal with future questions like these from prospective employers.
answered Aug 27 at 15:09
DigitalBlade969
2,1551314
edited Aug 27 at 20:28
answered Aug 27 at 15:09
DigitalBlade969
2,1551314
answered Aug 27 at 15:09
DigitalBlade969
2,1551314
answered Aug 27 at 15:09
DigitalBlade969
2,1551314
2,1551314
Except for the first line, you're answering a hypothetical question that the OP didn't ask.
– Dmitry Grigoryev
Aug 28 at 14:34
@DmitryGrigoryev Well,he also asked if it's legal,discriminatory and if he should merge the columns saying "not an issue". So I gave my take on those as well,adding alternatives to his options. In addition I believe this sites' purpose is also to have others with similar questions find possible answers. Hence exploring the case of having sick days. Plus,he might out of principle not want to even state anything specific concerning his sick days/reason for/medical info.After all,"not an issue" as he said may imply unwillingness to give a number at all...it is not stating zero (;
– DigitalBlade969
Aug 29 at 15:42
add a comment |Â
Except for the first line, you're answering a hypothetical question that the OP didn't ask.
– Dmitry Grigoryev
Aug 28 at 14:34
@DmitryGrigoryev Well,he also asked if it's legal,discriminatory and if he should merge the columns saying "not an issue". So I gave my take on those as well,adding alternatives to his options. In addition I believe this sites' purpose is also to have others with similar questions find possible answers. Hence exploring the case of having sick days. Plus,he might out of principle not want to even state anything specific concerning his sick days/reason for/medical info.After all,"not an issue" as he said may imply unwillingness to give a number at all...it is not stating zero (;
– DigitalBlade969
Aug 29 at 15:42
Except for the first line, you're answering a hypothetical question that the OP didn't ask.
– Dmitry Grigoryev
Aug 28 at 14:34
Except for the first line, you're answering a hypothetical question that the OP didn't ask.
– Dmitry Grigoryev
Aug 28 at 14:34
@DmitryGrigoryev Well,he also asked if it's legal,discriminatory and if he should merge the columns saying "not an issue". So I gave my take on those as well,adding alternatives to his options. In addition I believe this sites' purpose is also to have others with similar questions find possible answers. Hence exploring the case of having sick days. Plus,he might out of principle not want to even state anything specific concerning his sick days/reason for/medical info.After all,"not an issue" as he said may imply unwillingness to give a number at all...it is not stating zero (;
– DigitalBlade969
Aug 29 at 15:42
@DmitryGrigoryev Well,he also asked if it's legal,discriminatory and if he should merge the columns saying "not an issue". So I gave my take on those as well,adding alternatives to his options. In addition I believe this sites' purpose is also to have others with similar questions find possible answers. Hence exploring the case of having sick days. Plus,he might out of principle not want to even state anything specific concerning his sick days/reason for/medical info.After all,"not an issue" as he said may imply unwillingness to give a number at all...it is not stating zero (;
– DigitalBlade969
Aug 29 at 15:42
add a comment |Â
up vote
-2
down vote
I haven't had any sick days but this seems like a bit of a discriminatory question.
Don't overthink questions or change columns which do not even apply to you, just answer that you had no sick days using their template.
answered Aug 27 at 16:28
Kilisi
96.6k53221380
To clarify: Answer that you had no sick days if you had no sick days, or answer that you had no sick days whether you had sick days or not?
– gnasher729
Aug 27 at 18:01
2
@gnasher729 I admit my English isn't great but the answer doesn't need any such clarification. It already includes both the OP saying they have no sick days and 'which do not even apply to you'
– Kilisi
Aug 27 at 18:05
24
The op isn't wondering how to fill our the form. They are wondering if by asking the question the university has broken the law. The OP may be wondering if they should even apply to a place that is breaking the law (if they indeed are)
– Richard Tingle
Aug 27 at 21:36
1
@RichardTingle op wants to merge columns, it's part of the question, if you actually read it.
– Kilisi
Aug 28 at 4:16
1
@kilisi I did read it, it's a throw away comment and not the main substance of the question
– Richard Tingle
Aug 28 at 8:19
add a comment |Â
up vote
-2
down vote
I haven't had any sick days but this seems like a bit of a discriminatory question.
Don't overthink questions or change columns which do not even apply to you, just answer that you had no sick days using their template.
answered Aug 27 at 16:28
Kilisi
96.6k53221380
To clarify: Answer that you had no sick days if you had no sick days, or answer that you had no sick days whether you had sick days or not?
– gnasher729
Aug 27 at 18:01
2
@gnasher729 I admit my English isn't great but the answer doesn't need any such clarification. It already includes both the OP saying they have no sick days and 'which do not even apply to you'
– Kilisi
Aug 27 at 18:05
24
The op isn't wondering how to fill our the form. They are wondering if by asking the question the university has broken the law. The OP may be wondering if they should even apply to a place that is breaking the law (if they indeed are)
– Richard Tingle
Aug 27 at 21:36
1
@RichardTingle op wants to merge columns, it's part of the question, if you actually read it.
– Kilisi
Aug 28 at 4:16
1
@kilisi I did read it, it's a throw away comment and not the main substance of the question
– Richard Tingle
Aug 28 at 8:19
add a comment |Â
up vote
-2
down vote
up vote
-2
down vote
I haven't had any sick days but this seems like a bit of a discriminatory question.
Don't overthink questions or change columns which do not even apply to you, just answer that you had no sick days using their template.
answered Aug 27 at 16:28
Kilisi
96.6k53221380
I haven't had any sick days but this seems like a bit of a discriminatory question.
Don't overthink questions or change columns which do not even apply to you, just answer that you had no sick days using their template.
answered Aug 27 at 16:28
Kilisi
96.6k53221380
answered Aug 27 at 16:28
Kilisi
96.6k53221380
answered Aug 27 at 16:28
Kilisi
96.6k53221380
answered Aug 27 at 16:28
Kilisi
96.6k53221380
96.6k53221380
To clarify: Answer that you had no sick days if you had no sick days, or answer that you had no sick days whether you had sick days or not?
– gnasher729
Aug 27 at 18:01
2
@gnasher729 I admit my English isn't great but the answer doesn't need any such clarification. It already includes both the OP saying they have no sick days and 'which do not even apply to you'
– Kilisi
Aug 27 at 18:05
24
The op isn't wondering how to fill our the form. They are wondering if by asking the question the university has broken the law. The OP may be wondering if they should even apply to a place that is breaking the law (if they indeed are)
– Richard Tingle
Aug 27 at 21:36
1
@RichardTingle op wants to merge columns, it's part of the question, if you actually read it.
– Kilisi
Aug 28 at 4:16
1
@kilisi I did read it, it's a throw away comment and not the main substance of the question
– Richard Tingle
Aug 28 at 8:19
add a comment |Â
To clarify: Answer that you had no sick days if you had no sick days, or answer that you had no sick days whether you had sick days or not?
– gnasher729
Aug 27 at 18:01
2
@gnasher729 I admit my English isn't great but the answer doesn't need any such clarification. It already includes both the OP saying they have no sick days and 'which do not even apply to you'
– Kilisi
Aug 27 at 18:05
24
The op isn't wondering how to fill our the form. They are wondering if by asking the question the university has broken the law. The OP may be wondering if they should even apply to a place that is breaking the law (if they indeed are)
– Richard Tingle
Aug 27 at 21:36
1
@RichardTingle op wants to merge columns, it's part of the question, if you actually read it.
– Kilisi
Aug 28 at 4:16
1
@kilisi I did read it, it's a throw away comment and not the main substance of the question
– Richard Tingle
Aug 28 at 8:19
To clarify: Answer that you had no sick days if you had no sick days, or answer that you had no sick days whether you had sick days or not?
– gnasher729
Aug 27 at 18:01
To clarify: Answer that you had no sick days if you had no sick days, or answer that you had no sick days whether you had sick days or not?
– gnasher729
Aug 27 at 18:01
2
2
@gnasher729 I admit my English isn't great but the answer doesn't need any such clarification. It already includes both the OP saying they have no sick days and 'which do not even apply to you'
– Kilisi
Aug 27 at 18:05
@gnasher729 I admit my English isn't great but the answer doesn't need any such clarification. It already includes both the OP saying they have no sick days and 'which do not even apply to you'
– Kilisi
Aug 27 at 18:05
24
24
The op isn't wondering how to fill our the form. They are wondering if by asking the question the university has broken the law. The OP may be wondering if they should even apply to a place that is breaking the law (if they indeed are)
– Richard Tingle
Aug 27 at 21:36
The op isn't wondering how to fill our the form. They are wondering if by asking the question the university has broken the law. The OP may be wondering if they should even apply to a place that is breaking the law (if they indeed are)
– Richard Tingle
Aug 27 at 21:36
1
1
@RichardTingle op wants to merge columns, it's part of the question, if you actually read it.
– Kilisi
Aug 28 at 4:16
@RichardTingle op wants to merge columns, it's part of the question, if you actually read it.
– Kilisi
Aug 28 at 4:16
1
1
@kilisi I did read it, it's a throw away comment and not the main substance of the question
– Richard Tingle
Aug 28 at 8:19
@kilisi I did read it, it's a throw away comment and not the main substance of the question
– Richard Tingle
Aug 28 at 8:19
add a comment |Â
up vote
-2
down vote
is it okay for me to merge the columns and state that sick days were
not an issue?
You can always ignore an application question, or answer "it wasn't an issue" and hope for the best.
The company can often respond by not hiring you because of your lack of answer. I never hired anyone who chose not to answer my questions.
Local laws may apply.
answered Aug 27 at 15:19
Joe Strazzere
225k107662933
1
@JoeStrazzere I think what's painful is the implication: "Oh, you had 5 sick days, that's too many, sorry we won't hire you". It seems like a really odd question, I've never had an employer ask that kind of thing. It also seems odd because (at least in the USA) the number of sick days is generally pretty limited, or comes out of vacation time, so the number will be somewhere around 0 to 10 days for everyone. Are you really going to make a hiring decision based on that?
– DaveG
Aug 27 at 17:57
24
"But apparently they deem it worthy of asking. If the OP wants to get hired, it should be answered." So if a company asks a question, it should always be answered? What if they ask for your religion? Your race? Your gender? Marital status? How many kids you have? There are so many questions that should not be answered and may even be illegal, because they are a strong indication of discriminatory hiring practices. Asking about number of sick days is a great way to decide you don't want to hire someone because their cancer might relapse.
– David K
Aug 27 at 18:22
1
@JoeStrazzere I suppose given that the question is illegal, the other approach to take is to make up the desired answer (I'm a 30 year old dev who has never taken a sick day). They can't ask your previous employer and they can't very well complain later on that you lied about something they can't ask about.
– DaveG
Aug 27 at 18:46
15
If I found an illegal question on an application, and if the employer disqualified me for pointing out that it is illegal, it was probably best for the both of us.
– stannius
Aug 27 at 23:08
9
I would add that certain countries like Germany even allow straight up lying about illegal questions, and entering something benign into this form would be permissible, to my knowledge.
– FvD
Aug 28 at 4:17
 |Â
show 1 more comment
up vote
-2
down vote
is it okay for me to merge the columns and state that sick days were
not an issue?
You can always ignore an application question, or answer "it wasn't an issue" and hope for the best.
The company can often respond by not hiring you because of your lack of answer. I never hired anyone who chose not to answer my questions.
Local laws may apply.
answered Aug 27 at 15:19
Joe Strazzere
225k107662933
1
@JoeStrazzere I think what's painful is the implication: "Oh, you had 5 sick days, that's too many, sorry we won't hire you". It seems like a really odd question, I've never had an employer ask that kind of thing. It also seems odd because (at least in the USA) the number of sick days is generally pretty limited, or comes out of vacation time, so the number will be somewhere around 0 to 10 days for everyone. Are you really going to make a hiring decision based on that?
– DaveG
Aug 27 at 17:57
24
"But apparently they deem it worthy of asking. If the OP wants to get hired, it should be answered." So if a company asks a question, it should always be answered? What if they ask for your religion? Your race? Your gender? Marital status? How many kids you have? There are so many questions that should not be answered and may even be illegal, because they are a strong indication of discriminatory hiring practices. Asking about number of sick days is a great way to decide you don't want to hire someone because their cancer might relapse.
– David K
Aug 27 at 18:22
1
@JoeStrazzere I suppose given that the question is illegal, the other approach to take is to make up the desired answer (I'm a 30 year old dev who has never taken a sick day). They can't ask your previous employer and they can't very well complain later on that you lied about something they can't ask about.
– DaveG
Aug 27 at 18:46
15
If I found an illegal question on an application, and if the employer disqualified me for pointing out that it is illegal, it was probably best for the both of us.
– stannius
Aug 27 at 23:08
9
I would add that certain countries like Germany even allow straight up lying about illegal questions, and entering something benign into this form would be permissible, to my knowledge.
– FvD
Aug 28 at 4:17
 |Â
show 1 more comment
up vote
-2
down vote
up vote
-2
down vote
is it okay for me to merge the columns and state that sick days were
not an issue?
You can always ignore an application question, or answer "it wasn't an issue" and hope for the best.
The company can often respond by not hiring you because of your lack of answer. I never hired anyone who chose not to answer my questions.
Local laws may apply.
answered Aug 27 at 15:19
Joe Strazzere
225k107662933
is it okay for me to merge the columns and state that sick days were
not an issue?
You can always ignore an application question, or answer "it wasn't an issue" and hope for the best.
The company can often respond by not hiring you because of your lack of answer. I never hired anyone who chose not to answer my questions.
Local laws may apply.
answered Aug 27 at 15:19
Joe Strazzere
225k107662933
edited Aug 27 at 17:51
answered Aug 27 at 15:19
Joe Strazzere
225k107662933
answered Aug 27 at 15:19
Joe Strazzere
225k107662933
answered Aug 27 at 15:19
Joe Strazzere
225k107662933
225k107662933
1
@JoeStrazzere I think what's painful is the implication: "Oh, you had 5 sick days, that's too many, sorry we won't hire you". It seems like a really odd question, I've never had an employer ask that kind of thing. It also seems odd because (at least in the USA) the number of sick days is generally pretty limited, or comes out of vacation time, so the number will be somewhere around 0 to 10 days for everyone. Are you really going to make a hiring decision based on that?
– DaveG
Aug 27 at 17:57
24
"But apparently they deem it worthy of asking. If the OP wants to get hired, it should be answered." So if a company asks a question, it should always be answered? What if they ask for your religion? Your race? Your gender? Marital status? How many kids you have? There are so many questions that should not be answered and may even be illegal, because they are a strong indication of discriminatory hiring practices. Asking about number of sick days is a great way to decide you don't want to hire someone because their cancer might relapse.
– David K
Aug 27 at 18:22
1
@JoeStrazzere I suppose given that the question is illegal, the other approach to take is to make up the desired answer (I'm a 30 year old dev who has never taken a sick day). They can't ask your previous employer and they can't very well complain later on that you lied about something they can't ask about.
– DaveG
Aug 27 at 18:46
15
If I found an illegal question on an application, and if the employer disqualified me for pointing out that it is illegal, it was probably best for the both of us.
– stannius
Aug 27 at 23:08
9
I would add that certain countries like Germany even allow straight up lying about illegal questions, and entering something benign into this form would be permissible, to my knowledge.
– FvD
Aug 28 at 4:17
 |Â
show 1 more comment
1
@JoeStrazzere I think what's painful is the implication: "Oh, you had 5 sick days, that's too many, sorry we won't hire you". It seems like a really odd question, I've never had an employer ask that kind of thing. It also seems odd because (at least in the USA) the number of sick days is generally pretty limited, or comes out of vacation time, so the number will be somewhere around 0 to 10 days for everyone. Are you really going to make a hiring decision based on that?
– DaveG
Aug 27 at 17:57
24
"But apparently they deem it worthy of asking. If the OP wants to get hired, it should be answered." So if a company asks a question, it should always be answered? What if they ask for your religion? Your race? Your gender? Marital status? How many kids you have? There are so many questions that should not be answered and may even be illegal, because they are a strong indication of discriminatory hiring practices. Asking about number of sick days is a great way to decide you don't want to hire someone because their cancer might relapse.
– David K
Aug 27 at 18:22
1
@JoeStrazzere I suppose given that the question is illegal, the other approach to take is to make up the desired answer (I'm a 30 year old dev who has never taken a sick day). They can't ask your previous employer and they can't very well complain later on that you lied about something they can't ask about.
– DaveG
Aug 27 at 18:46
15
If I found an illegal question on an application, and if the employer disqualified me for pointing out that it is illegal, it was probably best for the both of us.
– stannius
Aug 27 at 23:08
9
I would add that certain countries like Germany even allow straight up lying about illegal questions, and entering something benign into this form would be permissible, to my knowledge.
– FvD
Aug 28 at 4:17
1
1
@JoeStrazzere I think what's painful is the implication: "Oh, you had 5 sick days, that's too many, sorry we won't hire you". It seems like a really odd question, I've never had an employer ask that kind of thing. It also seems odd because (at least in the USA) the number of sick days is generally pretty limited, or comes out of vacation time, so the number will be somewhere around 0 to 10 days for everyone. Are you really going to make a hiring decision based on that?
– DaveG
Aug 27 at 17:57
@JoeStrazzere I think what's painful is the implication: "Oh, you had 5 sick days, that's too many, sorry we won't hire you". It seems like a really odd question, I've never had an employer ask that kind of thing. It also seems odd because (at least in the USA) the number of sick days is generally pretty limited, or comes out of vacation time, so the number will be somewhere around 0 to 10 days for everyone. Are you really going to make a hiring decision based on that?
– DaveG
Aug 27 at 17:57
24
24
"But apparently they deem it worthy of asking. If the OP wants to get hired, it should be answered." So if a company asks a question, it should always be answered? What if they ask for your religion? Your race? Your gender? Marital status? How many kids you have? There are so many questions that should not be answered and may even be illegal, because they are a strong indication of discriminatory hiring practices. Asking about number of sick days is a great way to decide you don't want to hire someone because their cancer might relapse.
– David K
Aug 27 at 18:22
"But apparently they deem it worthy of asking. If the OP wants to get hired, it should be answered." So if a company asks a question, it should always be answered? What if they ask for your religion? Your race? Your gender? Marital status? How many kids you have? There are so many questions that should not be answered and may even be illegal, because they are a strong indication of discriminatory hiring practices. Asking about number of sick days is a great way to decide you don't want to hire someone because their cancer might relapse.
– David K
Aug 27 at 18:22
1
1
@JoeStrazzere I suppose given that the question is illegal, the other approach to take is to make up the desired answer (I'm a 30 year old dev who has never taken a sick day). They can't ask your previous employer and they can't very well complain later on that you lied about something they can't ask about.
– DaveG
Aug 27 at 18:46
@JoeStrazzere I suppose given that the question is illegal, the other approach to take is to make up the desired answer (I'm a 30 year old dev who has never taken a sick day). They can't ask your previous employer and they can't very well complain later on that you lied about something they can't ask about.
– DaveG
Aug 27 at 18:46
15
15
If I found an illegal question on an application, and if the employer disqualified me for pointing out that it is illegal, it was probably best for the both of us.
– stannius
Aug 27 at 23:08
If I found an illegal question on an application, and if the employer disqualified me for pointing out that it is illegal, it was probably best for the both of us.
– stannius
Aug 27 at 23:08
9
9
I would add that certain countries like Germany even allow straight up lying about illegal questions, and entering something benign into this form would be permissible, to my knowledge.
– FvD
Aug 28 at 4:17
I would add that certain countries like Germany even allow straight up lying about illegal questions, and entering something benign into this form would be permissible, to my knowledge.
– FvD
Aug 28 at 4:17
 |Â
show 1 more comment
I understand why this was put on hold. However, this isn't "company-specific"- I've seen many companies do this and people are unaware of the fact that the question is illegal. If it had been locked earlier before a good answer was added then where should a question like this have gone?
– Lolums
Aug 31 at 8:59