Adding/subtracting sinusoids

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I'm trying to calculate resultant function from adding two sinusoids:



$9sin(omega t + tfracpi3)$ and $-7sin(omega t - tfrac3pi8)$



The correct answer is $14.38sin(omega t + 1.444)$, but I get $14.38sin(omega t + 2.745)$.



My calculations are (first using cosine rule to obtain resultant $v$ as):
$sqrt9^2 + (-7)^2 - (2 cdot 9 cdot (-7) cdot cos(pi - tfracpi3 + tfrac3pi8)) = 14.38$



And the angle (using the sine rule):
$pi - arcsin(|-7| sin(pi - tfracpi3 + tfrac3pi8) / 14.38) = 157$ ° or $2.745$ radians.







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I'm trying to calculate resultant function from adding two sinusoids:



$9sin(omega t + tfracpi3)$ and $-7sin(omega t - tfrac3pi8)$



The correct answer is $14.38sin(omega t + 1.444)$, but I get $14.38sin(omega t + 2.745)$.



My calculations are (first using cosine rule to obtain resultant $v$ as):
$sqrt9^2 + (-7)^2 - (2 cdot 9 cdot (-7) cdot cos(pi - tfracpi3 + tfrac3pi8)) = 14.38$



And the angle (using the sine rule):
$pi - arcsin(|-7| sin(pi - tfracpi3 + tfrac3pi8) / 14.38) = 157$ ° or $2.745$ radians.







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    Your question will be much more readable if you format the math properly. I have edited a portion of the question to get you started, and you can find complete instructions here: dsp.stackexchange.com/editing-help#latex. I have also selected a better tag, since your question is unrelated to wavelets.
    – MBaz
    Aug 27 at 18:13










  • Great! Just be mindful of the "" before "sin" and "cos". I fixed those for you.
    – MBaz
    Aug 27 at 18:20










  • and lose the asterisks unless you're discussing convolution.
    – robert bristow-johnson
    Aug 27 at 18:58












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I'm trying to calculate resultant function from adding two sinusoids:



$9sin(omega t + tfracpi3)$ and $-7sin(omega t - tfrac3pi8)$



The correct answer is $14.38sin(omega t + 1.444)$, but I get $14.38sin(omega t + 2.745)$.



My calculations are (first using cosine rule to obtain resultant $v$ as):
$sqrt9^2 + (-7)^2 - (2 cdot 9 cdot (-7) cdot cos(pi - tfracpi3 + tfrac3pi8)) = 14.38$



And the angle (using the sine rule):
$pi - arcsin(|-7| sin(pi - tfracpi3 + tfrac3pi8) / 14.38) = 157$ ° or $2.745$ radians.







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I'm trying to calculate resultant function from adding two sinusoids:



$9sin(omega t + tfracpi3)$ and $-7sin(omega t - tfrac3pi8)$



The correct answer is $14.38sin(omega t + 1.444)$, but I get $14.38sin(omega t + 2.745)$.



My calculations are (first using cosine rule to obtain resultant $v$ as):
$sqrt9^2 + (-7)^2 - (2 cdot 9 cdot (-7) cdot cos(pi - tfracpi3 + tfrac3pi8)) = 14.38$



And the angle (using the sine rule):
$pi - arcsin(|-7| sin(pi - tfracpi3 + tfrac3pi8) / 14.38) = 157$ ° or $2.745$ radians.









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    Your question will be much more readable if you format the math properly. I have edited a portion of the question to get you started, and you can find complete instructions here: dsp.stackexchange.com/editing-help#latex. I have also selected a better tag, since your question is unrelated to wavelets.
    – MBaz
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  • Great! Just be mindful of the "" before "sin" and "cos". I fixed those for you.
    – MBaz
    Aug 27 at 18:20










  • and lose the asterisks unless you're discussing convolution.
    – robert bristow-johnson
    Aug 27 at 18:58












  • 2




    Your question will be much more readable if you format the math properly. I have edited a portion of the question to get you started, and you can find complete instructions here: dsp.stackexchange.com/editing-help#latex. I have also selected a better tag, since your question is unrelated to wavelets.
    – MBaz
    Aug 27 at 18:13










  • Great! Just be mindful of the "" before "sin" and "cos". I fixed those for you.
    – MBaz
    Aug 27 at 18:20










  • and lose the asterisks unless you're discussing convolution.
    – robert bristow-johnson
    Aug 27 at 18:58







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– MBaz
Aug 27 at 18:13




Your question will be much more readable if you format the math properly. I have edited a portion of the question to get you started, and you can find complete instructions here: dsp.stackexchange.com/editing-help#latex. I have also selected a better tag, since your question is unrelated to wavelets.
– MBaz
Aug 27 at 18:13












Great! Just be mindful of the "" before "sin" and "cos". I fixed those for you.
– MBaz
Aug 27 at 18:20




Great! Just be mindful of the "" before "sin" and "cos". I fixed those for you.
– MBaz
Aug 27 at 18:20












and lose the asterisks unless you're discussing convolution.
– robert bristow-johnson
Aug 27 at 18:58




and lose the asterisks unless you're discussing convolution.
– robert bristow-johnson
Aug 27 at 18:58










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This is a trigonometry question, but can also be solved using complex exponentials , which makes it a more DSP type.



We shall use the identitiy:
$$ sin(phi) = frace^jphi - e^-jphi 2j $$



or the more general case:
$$ sin(omega t + phi) = frace^jomega t e^jphi - e^-jomega t e^-jphi 2j $$



and further more general case:
$$
beginalign
|K| sin(omega t + phi + theta_k) &= |K|frace^jomega t e^jphie^jtheta_k - e^-jomega t e^-jphie^-jtheta_k 2j \
&= frace^jomega t e^jphiK - e^-jomega t e^-jphiK^* 2j tag1\
endalign
$$



where $K$ is a complex constant defined as $K = K_r + j K_i = |K| e^jtheta_k $ both in rectangular and polar forms.



Now proceed in decomposing the given signal into complex exponentials:



$$
beginalign
x(t) &= 9 sin(omega t + pi/3) - 7 sin(omega t - 3pi/8) \
&= (9/2j)left( e^jomega t e^jpi/3 - e^-jomega t e^-jpi/3 right) - (7/2j)left( e^jomega t e^-j3pi/8 - e^-jomega t e^j3pi/8 right) \
&= frac e^jomega tleft[9 e^jpi/3 - 7e^-3pi/8 right] - e^-jomega tleft[ 9 e^-jpi/3 - 7e^3pi/8 right] 2j tag2\
&= frac e^jomega tK - e^-jomega tK^* 2j\
endalign
$$



Now denoting $9 e^jpi/3 - 7e^-j3pi/8 = K$, the last line, Eq(2) becomes similar to Eq(1). Now all you need to do is find the magnitude and phase angle of the complex number $K$, which are :



$$ K = 9 e^jpi/3 - 7e^j3pi/8 = 1.8212 + 14.2614 j $$
$$ |K| = 14.3772 $$
$$ theta_k = 1.4438 ~~~text radians $$



Plugging these values gives you the final answer :



$$boxedx(t) = $$






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  • @Fat32 There may be a typo: you give $|K|=14.3772$, but then use $14.438$ in the final equation?
    – MBaz
    Aug 27 at 21:00










  • @MBaz yes there is ! thanks, let me correct.
    – Fat32
    Aug 27 at 21:15

















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The easiest way (to my mind) to solve the problem is to



  • Use the identity $sin(Apm B) = sin A cos B pm cos A sin B$, substituting the known numerical values of $cos B$ and $sin B$,


  • Gathering the results to express your sum of sinusoids in the form of $C sin A + D cos A$,


  • Expressing the resulting function as $sqrtC^2+D^2 sinleft(omega t + thetaright)$






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  • That's more or less the way I'm doing it, but the question is I can't figure out the θ.
    – Bord81
    Aug 27 at 18:38










  • Hint: Set $fracCsqrtC^2+D^2 = cos(theta), fracDsqrtC^2+D^2 = sin(theta) $ and solve $tan(theta)=frac DC$ for $theta$.
    – Dilip Sarwate
    Aug 27 at 18:45











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This is a trigonometry question, but can also be solved using complex exponentials , which makes it a more DSP type.



We shall use the identitiy:
$$ sin(phi) = frace^jphi - e^-jphi 2j $$



or the more general case:
$$ sin(omega t + phi) = frace^jomega t e^jphi - e^-jomega t e^-jphi 2j $$



and further more general case:
$$
beginalign
|K| sin(omega t + phi + theta_k) &= |K|frace^jomega t e^jphie^jtheta_k - e^-jomega t e^-jphie^-jtheta_k 2j \
&= frace^jomega t e^jphiK - e^-jomega t e^-jphiK^* 2j tag1\
endalign
$$



where $K$ is a complex constant defined as $K = K_r + j K_i = |K| e^jtheta_k $ both in rectangular and polar forms.



Now proceed in decomposing the given signal into complex exponentials:



$$
beginalign
x(t) &= 9 sin(omega t + pi/3) - 7 sin(omega t - 3pi/8) \
&= (9/2j)left( e^jomega t e^jpi/3 - e^-jomega t e^-jpi/3 right) - (7/2j)left( e^jomega t e^-j3pi/8 - e^-jomega t e^j3pi/8 right) \
&= frac e^jomega tleft[9 e^jpi/3 - 7e^-3pi/8 right] - e^-jomega tleft[ 9 e^-jpi/3 - 7e^3pi/8 right] 2j tag2\
&= frac e^jomega tK - e^-jomega tK^* 2j\
endalign
$$



Now denoting $9 e^jpi/3 - 7e^-j3pi/8 = K$, the last line, Eq(2) becomes similar to Eq(1). Now all you need to do is find the magnitude and phase angle of the complex number $K$, which are :



$$ K = 9 e^jpi/3 - 7e^j3pi/8 = 1.8212 + 14.2614 j $$
$$ |K| = 14.3772 $$
$$ theta_k = 1.4438 ~~~text radians $$



Plugging these values gives you the final answer :



$$boxedx(t) = $$






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    yes, thank you for the great explanation!
    – Bord81
    Aug 27 at 19:59






  • 1




    Still need some points, but will surely do!)
    – Bord81
    Aug 27 at 20:02










  • @Fat32 There may be a typo: you give $|K|=14.3772$, but then use $14.438$ in the final equation?
    – MBaz
    Aug 27 at 21:00










  • @MBaz yes there is ! thanks, let me correct.
    – Fat32
    Aug 27 at 21:15














up vote
1
down vote



accepted










This is a trigonometry question, but can also be solved using complex exponentials , which makes it a more DSP type.



We shall use the identitiy:
$$ sin(phi) = frace^jphi - e^-jphi 2j $$



or the more general case:
$$ sin(omega t + phi) = frace^jomega t e^jphi - e^-jomega t e^-jphi 2j $$



and further more general case:
$$
beginalign
|K| sin(omega t + phi + theta_k) &= |K|frace^jomega t e^jphie^jtheta_k - e^-jomega t e^-jphie^-jtheta_k 2j \
&= frace^jomega t e^jphiK - e^-jomega t e^-jphiK^* 2j tag1\
endalign
$$



where $K$ is a complex constant defined as $K = K_r + j K_i = |K| e^jtheta_k $ both in rectangular and polar forms.



Now proceed in decomposing the given signal into complex exponentials:



$$
beginalign
x(t) &= 9 sin(omega t + pi/3) - 7 sin(omega t - 3pi/8) \
&= (9/2j)left( e^jomega t e^jpi/3 - e^-jomega t e^-jpi/3 right) - (7/2j)left( e^jomega t e^-j3pi/8 - e^-jomega t e^j3pi/8 right) \
&= frac e^jomega tleft[9 e^jpi/3 - 7e^-3pi/8 right] - e^-jomega tleft[ 9 e^-jpi/3 - 7e^3pi/8 right] 2j tag2\
&= frac e^jomega tK - e^-jomega tK^* 2j\
endalign
$$



Now denoting $9 e^jpi/3 - 7e^-j3pi/8 = K$, the last line, Eq(2) becomes similar to Eq(1). Now all you need to do is find the magnitude and phase angle of the complex number $K$, which are :



$$ K = 9 e^jpi/3 - 7e^j3pi/8 = 1.8212 + 14.2614 j $$
$$ |K| = 14.3772 $$
$$ theta_k = 1.4438 ~~~text radians $$



Plugging these values gives you the final answer :



$$boxedx(t) = $$






share|improve this answer


















  • 1




    yes, thank you for the great explanation!
    – Bord81
    Aug 27 at 19:59






  • 1




    Still need some points, but will surely do!)
    – Bord81
    Aug 27 at 20:02










  • @Fat32 There may be a typo: you give $|K|=14.3772$, but then use $14.438$ in the final equation?
    – MBaz
    Aug 27 at 21:00










  • @MBaz yes there is ! thanks, let me correct.
    – Fat32
    Aug 27 at 21:15












up vote
1
down vote



accepted







up vote
1
down vote



accepted






This is a trigonometry question, but can also be solved using complex exponentials , which makes it a more DSP type.



We shall use the identitiy:
$$ sin(phi) = frace^jphi - e^-jphi 2j $$



or the more general case:
$$ sin(omega t + phi) = frace^jomega t e^jphi - e^-jomega t e^-jphi 2j $$



and further more general case:
$$
beginalign
|K| sin(omega t + phi + theta_k) &= |K|frace^jomega t e^jphie^jtheta_k - e^-jomega t e^-jphie^-jtheta_k 2j \
&= frace^jomega t e^jphiK - e^-jomega t e^-jphiK^* 2j tag1\
endalign
$$



where $K$ is a complex constant defined as $K = K_r + j K_i = |K| e^jtheta_k $ both in rectangular and polar forms.



Now proceed in decomposing the given signal into complex exponentials:



$$
beginalign
x(t) &= 9 sin(omega t + pi/3) - 7 sin(omega t - 3pi/8) \
&= (9/2j)left( e^jomega t e^jpi/3 - e^-jomega t e^-jpi/3 right) - (7/2j)left( e^jomega t e^-j3pi/8 - e^-jomega t e^j3pi/8 right) \
&= frac e^jomega tleft[9 e^jpi/3 - 7e^-3pi/8 right] - e^-jomega tleft[ 9 e^-jpi/3 - 7e^3pi/8 right] 2j tag2\
&= frac e^jomega tK - e^-jomega tK^* 2j\
endalign
$$



Now denoting $9 e^jpi/3 - 7e^-j3pi/8 = K$, the last line, Eq(2) becomes similar to Eq(1). Now all you need to do is find the magnitude and phase angle of the complex number $K$, which are :



$$ K = 9 e^jpi/3 - 7e^j3pi/8 = 1.8212 + 14.2614 j $$
$$ |K| = 14.3772 $$
$$ theta_k = 1.4438 ~~~text radians $$



Plugging these values gives you the final answer :



$$boxedx(t) = $$






share|improve this answer














This is a trigonometry question, but can also be solved using complex exponentials , which makes it a more DSP type.



We shall use the identitiy:
$$ sin(phi) = frace^jphi - e^-jphi 2j $$



or the more general case:
$$ sin(omega t + phi) = frace^jomega t e^jphi - e^-jomega t e^-jphi 2j $$



and further more general case:
$$
beginalign
|K| sin(omega t + phi + theta_k) &= |K|frace^jomega t e^jphie^jtheta_k - e^-jomega t e^-jphie^-jtheta_k 2j \
&= frace^jomega t e^jphiK - e^-jomega t e^-jphiK^* 2j tag1\
endalign
$$



where $K$ is a complex constant defined as $K = K_r + j K_i = |K| e^jtheta_k $ both in rectangular and polar forms.



Now proceed in decomposing the given signal into complex exponentials:



$$
beginalign
x(t) &= 9 sin(omega t + pi/3) - 7 sin(omega t - 3pi/8) \
&= (9/2j)left( e^jomega t e^jpi/3 - e^-jomega t e^-jpi/3 right) - (7/2j)left( e^jomega t e^-j3pi/8 - e^-jomega t e^j3pi/8 right) \
&= frac e^jomega tleft[9 e^jpi/3 - 7e^-3pi/8 right] - e^-jomega tleft[ 9 e^-jpi/3 - 7e^3pi/8 right] 2j tag2\
&= frac e^jomega tK - e^-jomega tK^* 2j\
endalign
$$



Now denoting $9 e^jpi/3 - 7e^-j3pi/8 = K$, the last line, Eq(2) becomes similar to Eq(1). Now all you need to do is find the magnitude and phase angle of the complex number $K$, which are :



$$ K = 9 e^jpi/3 - 7e^j3pi/8 = 1.8212 + 14.2614 j $$
$$ |K| = 14.3772 $$
$$ theta_k = 1.4438 ~~~text radians $$



Plugging these values gives you the final answer :



$$boxedx(t) = $$







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    yes, thank you for the great explanation!
    – Bord81
    Aug 27 at 19:59






  • 1




    Still need some points, but will surely do!)
    – Bord81
    Aug 27 at 20:02










  • @Fat32 There may be a typo: you give $|K|=14.3772$, but then use $14.438$ in the final equation?
    – MBaz
    Aug 27 at 21:00










  • @MBaz yes there is ! thanks, let me correct.
    – Fat32
    Aug 27 at 21:15












  • 1




    yes, thank you for the great explanation!
    – Bord81
    Aug 27 at 19:59






  • 1




    Still need some points, but will surely do!)
    – Bord81
    Aug 27 at 20:02










  • @Fat32 There may be a typo: you give $|K|=14.3772$, but then use $14.438$ in the final equation?
    – MBaz
    Aug 27 at 21:00










  • @MBaz yes there is ! thanks, let me correct.
    – Fat32
    Aug 27 at 21:15







1




1




yes, thank you for the great explanation!
– Bord81
Aug 27 at 19:59




yes, thank you for the great explanation!
– Bord81
Aug 27 at 19:59




1




1




Still need some points, but will surely do!)
– Bord81
Aug 27 at 20:02




Still need some points, but will surely do!)
– Bord81
Aug 27 at 20:02












@Fat32 There may be a typo: you give $|K|=14.3772$, but then use $14.438$ in the final equation?
– MBaz
Aug 27 at 21:00




@Fat32 There may be a typo: you give $|K|=14.3772$, but then use $14.438$ in the final equation?
– MBaz
Aug 27 at 21:00












@MBaz yes there is ! thanks, let me correct.
– Fat32
Aug 27 at 21:15




@MBaz yes there is ! thanks, let me correct.
– Fat32
Aug 27 at 21:15










up vote
1
down vote













The easiest way (to my mind) to solve the problem is to



  • Use the identity $sin(Apm B) = sin A cos B pm cos A sin B$, substituting the known numerical values of $cos B$ and $sin B$,


  • Gathering the results to express your sum of sinusoids in the form of $C sin A + D cos A$,


  • Expressing the resulting function as $sqrtC^2+D^2 sinleft(omega t + thetaright)$






share|improve this answer






















  • That's more or less the way I'm doing it, but the question is I can't figure out the θ.
    – Bord81
    Aug 27 at 18:38










  • Hint: Set $fracCsqrtC^2+D^2 = cos(theta), fracDsqrtC^2+D^2 = sin(theta) $ and solve $tan(theta)=frac DC$ for $theta$.
    – Dilip Sarwate
    Aug 27 at 18:45















up vote
1
down vote













The easiest way (to my mind) to solve the problem is to



  • Use the identity $sin(Apm B) = sin A cos B pm cos A sin B$, substituting the known numerical values of $cos B$ and $sin B$,


  • Gathering the results to express your sum of sinusoids in the form of $C sin A + D cos A$,


  • Expressing the resulting function as $sqrtC^2+D^2 sinleft(omega t + thetaright)$






share|improve this answer






















  • That's more or less the way I'm doing it, but the question is I can't figure out the θ.
    – Bord81
    Aug 27 at 18:38










  • Hint: Set $fracCsqrtC^2+D^2 = cos(theta), fracDsqrtC^2+D^2 = sin(theta) $ and solve $tan(theta)=frac DC$ for $theta$.
    – Dilip Sarwate
    Aug 27 at 18:45













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up vote
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down vote









The easiest way (to my mind) to solve the problem is to



  • Use the identity $sin(Apm B) = sin A cos B pm cos A sin B$, substituting the known numerical values of $cos B$ and $sin B$,


  • Gathering the results to express your sum of sinusoids in the form of $C sin A + D cos A$,


  • Expressing the resulting function as $sqrtC^2+D^2 sinleft(omega t + thetaright)$






share|improve this answer














The easiest way (to my mind) to solve the problem is to



  • Use the identity $sin(Apm B) = sin A cos B pm cos A sin B$, substituting the known numerical values of $cos B$ and $sin B$,


  • Gathering the results to express your sum of sinusoids in the form of $C sin A + D cos A$,


  • Expressing the resulting function as $sqrtC^2+D^2 sinleft(omega t + thetaright)$







share|improve this answer














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answered Aug 27 at 18:28









Dilip Sarwate

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  • That's more or less the way I'm doing it, but the question is I can't figure out the θ.
    – Bord81
    Aug 27 at 18:38










  • Hint: Set $fracCsqrtC^2+D^2 = cos(theta), fracDsqrtC^2+D^2 = sin(theta) $ and solve $tan(theta)=frac DC$ for $theta$.
    – Dilip Sarwate
    Aug 27 at 18:45

















  • That's more or less the way I'm doing it, but the question is I can't figure out the θ.
    – Bord81
    Aug 27 at 18:38










  • Hint: Set $fracCsqrtC^2+D^2 = cos(theta), fracDsqrtC^2+D^2 = sin(theta) $ and solve $tan(theta)=frac DC$ for $theta$.
    – Dilip Sarwate
    Aug 27 at 18:45
















That's more or less the way I'm doing it, but the question is I can't figure out the θ.
– Bord81
Aug 27 at 18:38




That's more or less the way I'm doing it, but the question is I can't figure out the θ.
– Bord81
Aug 27 at 18:38












Hint: Set $fracCsqrtC^2+D^2 = cos(theta), fracDsqrtC^2+D^2 = sin(theta) $ and solve $tan(theta)=frac DC$ for $theta$.
– Dilip Sarwate
Aug 27 at 18:45





Hint: Set $fracCsqrtC^2+D^2 = cos(theta), fracDsqrtC^2+D^2 = sin(theta) $ and solve $tan(theta)=frac DC$ for $theta$.
– Dilip Sarwate
Aug 27 at 18:45


















 

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