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Two employees called into boss's office:
"Illinois is an at will state, I can fire you for any reason, I tried to protect you, you snubbed me, now get out of my office."
Employee attempted to say a word and was screamed at to get out of my office. Assumed we had just been fired and went to HR. HR said you must have misunderstood..HR called and was told we were not fired.
Went back to work, but now struggling with the treatment and the humiliation of the treatment. Any advice...both employees had no clue why this had happened to them. Boss acting like nothing happened.
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edited Jun 30 '14 at 22:31
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Two employees called into boss's office:
"Illinois is an at will state, I can fire you for any reason, I tried to protect you, you snubbed me, now get out of my office."
Employee attempted to say a word and was screamed at to get out of my office. Assumed we had just been fired and went to HR. HR said you must have misunderstood..HR called and was told we were not fired.
Went back to work, but now struggling with the treatment and the humiliation of the treatment. Any advice...both employees had no clue why this had happened to them. Boss acting like nothing happened.
management bullying usa
edited Jun 30 '14 at 22:31
O. Jones
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asked Jun 30 '14 at 22:04
Amanda
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closed as unclear what you're asking by Jim G., IDrinkandIKnowThings, gnat, mhoran_psprep, Garrison Neely Jul 7 '14 at 21:40
Please clarify your specific problem or add additional details to highlight exactly what you need. As it's currently written, it’s hard to tell exactly what you're asking. See the How to Ask page for help clarifying this question. If this question can be reworded to fit the rules in the help center, please edit the question.
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So, what's the question?
– Vietnhi Phuvan
Jun 30 '14 at 22:07
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Advice: Change bosses. Inside the company if you can, outside if necessary. This one is not worth working for.
– keshlam
Jun 30 '14 at 22:26
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File a complaint with HR. I still don't know what the question is, though.
– Vietnhi Phuvan
Jun 30 '14 at 22:34
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-1; doesn't actually ask a question.
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Jul 1 '14 at 14:20
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Two employees called into boss's office:
"Illinois is an at will state, I can fire you for any reason, I tried to protect you, you snubbed me, now get out of my office."
Employee attempted to say a word and was screamed at to get out of my office. Assumed we had just been fired and went to HR. HR said you must have misunderstood..HR called and was told we were not fired.
Went back to work, but now struggling with the treatment and the humiliation of the treatment. Any advice...both employees had no clue why this had happened to them. Boss acting like nothing happened.
management bullying usa
edited Jun 30 '14 at 22:31
O. Jones
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asked Jun 30 '14 at 22:04
Amanda
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Two employees called into boss's office:
"Illinois is an at will state, I can fire you for any reason, I tried to protect you, you snubbed me, now get out of my office."
Employee attempted to say a word and was screamed at to get out of my office. Assumed we had just been fired and went to HR. HR said you must have misunderstood..HR called and was told we were not fired.
Went back to work, but now struggling with the treatment and the humiliation of the treatment. Any advice...both employees had no clue why this had happened to them. Boss acting like nothing happened.
management bullying usa
edited Jun 30 '14 at 22:31
O. Jones
13.6k24070
asked Jun 30 '14 at 22:04
Amanda
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edited Jun 30 '14 at 22:31
O. Jones
13.6k24070
edited Jun 30 '14 at 22:31
O. Jones
13.6k24070
edited Jun 30 '14 at 22:31
O. Jones
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13.6k24070
asked Jun 30 '14 at 22:04
Amanda
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asked Jun 30 '14 at 22:04
Amanda
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asked Jun 30 '14 at 22:04
Amanda
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closed as unclear what you're asking by Jim G., IDrinkandIKnowThings, gnat, mhoran_psprep, Garrison Neely Jul 7 '14 at 21:40
Please clarify your specific problem or add additional details to highlight exactly what you need. As it's currently written, it’s hard to tell exactly what you're asking. See the How to Ask page for help clarifying this question. If this question can be reworded to fit the rules in the help center, please edit the question.
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So, what's the question?
– Vietnhi Phuvan
Jun 30 '14 at 22:07
4
Advice: Change bosses. Inside the company if you can, outside if necessary. This one is not worth working for.
– keshlam
Jun 30 '14 at 22:26
5
File a complaint with HR. I still don't know what the question is, though.
– Vietnhi Phuvan
Jun 30 '14 at 22:34
1
-1; doesn't actually ask a question.
– Tom W
Jul 1 '14 at 14:20
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So, what's the question?
– Vietnhi Phuvan
Jun 30 '14 at 22:07
4
Advice: Change bosses. Inside the company if you can, outside if necessary. This one is not worth working for.
– keshlam
Jun 30 '14 at 22:26
5
File a complaint with HR. I still don't know what the question is, though.
– Vietnhi Phuvan
Jun 30 '14 at 22:34
1
-1; doesn't actually ask a question.
– Tom W
Jul 1 '14 at 14:20
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9
So, what's the question?
– Vietnhi Phuvan
Jun 30 '14 at 22:07
So, what's the question?
– Vietnhi Phuvan
Jun 30 '14 at 22:07
4
4
Advice: Change bosses. Inside the company if you can, outside if necessary. This one is not worth working for.
– keshlam
Jun 30 '14 at 22:26
Advice: Change bosses. Inside the company if you can, outside if necessary. This one is not worth working for.
– keshlam
Jun 30 '14 at 22:26
5
5
File a complaint with HR. I still don't know what the question is, though.
– Vietnhi Phuvan
Jun 30 '14 at 22:34
File a complaint with HR. I still don't know what the question is, though.
– Vietnhi Phuvan
Jun 30 '14 at 22:34
1
1
-1; doesn't actually ask a question.
– Tom W
Jul 1 '14 at 14:20
-1; doesn't actually ask a question.
– Tom W
Jul 1 '14 at 14:20
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I presume the question is "what should this employee do about this situation?"
If HR says the employee still has a job, she still has a job.
First of all, this person should keep a log of strange occurrences like this. Make a note of the date and time, who was there, and what was said. She should keep the log with her. Don't give the original to anyone else, only a copy.
Second, this person did the right thing by going to HR for clarification of the situation.
Third, it may (or may not) make sense for the employee to ask for a meeting with the manager who did the yelling. She might begin the conversation by saying something like this: "I was surprised when you said I snubbed you. I certainly didn't mean to do that, and honestly I wasn't aware of what I did wrong. Can you please help me understand so I won't do it in the future?" Most managers will respond constructively to this kind of respectful request for feedback.
Fourth, the employee may want to start looking for another job. It's better for her to do that on her own terms rather than after being fired.
Don't forget that it's expensive and time-consuming to recruit and train new employees. It's in the company's interest as well the employee's to continue her employment if that's possible. Managers who torch employees for no reason are damaging their company and probably their own careers.
answered Jun 30 '14 at 22:42
O. Jones
13.6k24070
If this boss truly did threaten their jobs by saying, "Illinois is an at will state, I can fire you for any reason," then I very much doubt the boss would respond reasonably to a one-on-one meeting.
– David K
Jul 1 '14 at 12:30
True, but this boss is apparently a middle manager in a company with an HR function, so lacks the personal authority to summarily sack somebody.
– O. Jones
Jul 1 '14 at 12:47
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HR is who ultimately can tell you if you're still an employee.
However, this sounds like an abusive situation, and if these employees are not able to resolve their situation with the boss, I would suggest moving bosses, or moving companies.
If this behavior is allowed at the company, it's likely to be tolerated elsewhere within the same company.
answered Jun 30 '14 at 22:49
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2 Answers
2
active
oldest
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active
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up vote
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down vote
I presume the question is "what should this employee do about this situation?"
If HR says the employee still has a job, she still has a job.
First of all, this person should keep a log of strange occurrences like this. Make a note of the date and time, who was there, and what was said. She should keep the log with her. Don't give the original to anyone else, only a copy.
Second, this person did the right thing by going to HR for clarification of the situation.
Third, it may (or may not) make sense for the employee to ask for a meeting with the manager who did the yelling. She might begin the conversation by saying something like this: "I was surprised when you said I snubbed you. I certainly didn't mean to do that, and honestly I wasn't aware of what I did wrong. Can you please help me understand so I won't do it in the future?" Most managers will respond constructively to this kind of respectful request for feedback.
Fourth, the employee may want to start looking for another job. It's better for her to do that on her own terms rather than after being fired.
Don't forget that it's expensive and time-consuming to recruit and train new employees. It's in the company's interest as well the employee's to continue her employment if that's possible. Managers who torch employees for no reason are damaging their company and probably their own careers.
answered Jun 30 '14 at 22:42
O. Jones
13.6k24070
If this boss truly did threaten their jobs by saying, "Illinois is an at will state, I can fire you for any reason," then I very much doubt the boss would respond reasonably to a one-on-one meeting.
– David K
Jul 1 '14 at 12:30
True, but this boss is apparently a middle manager in a company with an HR function, so lacks the personal authority to summarily sack somebody.
– O. Jones
Jul 1 '14 at 12:47
add a comment |Â
up vote
6
down vote
I presume the question is "what should this employee do about this situation?"
If HR says the employee still has a job, she still has a job.
First of all, this person should keep a log of strange occurrences like this. Make a note of the date and time, who was there, and what was said. She should keep the log with her. Don't give the original to anyone else, only a copy.
Second, this person did the right thing by going to HR for clarification of the situation.
Third, it may (or may not) make sense for the employee to ask for a meeting with the manager who did the yelling. She might begin the conversation by saying something like this: "I was surprised when you said I snubbed you. I certainly didn't mean to do that, and honestly I wasn't aware of what I did wrong. Can you please help me understand so I won't do it in the future?" Most managers will respond constructively to this kind of respectful request for feedback.
Fourth, the employee may want to start looking for another job. It's better for her to do that on her own terms rather than after being fired.
Don't forget that it's expensive and time-consuming to recruit and train new employees. It's in the company's interest as well the employee's to continue her employment if that's possible. Managers who torch employees for no reason are damaging their company and probably their own careers.
answered Jun 30 '14 at 22:42
O. Jones
13.6k24070
If this boss truly did threaten their jobs by saying, "Illinois is an at will state, I can fire you for any reason," then I very much doubt the boss would respond reasonably to a one-on-one meeting.
– David K
Jul 1 '14 at 12:30
True, but this boss is apparently a middle manager in a company with an HR function, so lacks the personal authority to summarily sack somebody.
– O. Jones
Jul 1 '14 at 12:47
add a comment |Â
up vote
6
down vote
up vote
6
down vote
I presume the question is "what should this employee do about this situation?"
If HR says the employee still has a job, she still has a job.
First of all, this person should keep a log of strange occurrences like this. Make a note of the date and time, who was there, and what was said. She should keep the log with her. Don't give the original to anyone else, only a copy.
Second, this person did the right thing by going to HR for clarification of the situation.
Third, it may (or may not) make sense for the employee to ask for a meeting with the manager who did the yelling. She might begin the conversation by saying something like this: "I was surprised when you said I snubbed you. I certainly didn't mean to do that, and honestly I wasn't aware of what I did wrong. Can you please help me understand so I won't do it in the future?" Most managers will respond constructively to this kind of respectful request for feedback.
Fourth, the employee may want to start looking for another job. It's better for her to do that on her own terms rather than after being fired.
Don't forget that it's expensive and time-consuming to recruit and train new employees. It's in the company's interest as well the employee's to continue her employment if that's possible. Managers who torch employees for no reason are damaging their company and probably their own careers.
answered Jun 30 '14 at 22:42
O. Jones
13.6k24070
I presume the question is "what should this employee do about this situation?"
If HR says the employee still has a job, she still has a job.
First of all, this person should keep a log of strange occurrences like this. Make a note of the date and time, who was there, and what was said. She should keep the log with her. Don't give the original to anyone else, only a copy.
Second, this person did the right thing by going to HR for clarification of the situation.
Third, it may (or may not) make sense for the employee to ask for a meeting with the manager who did the yelling. She might begin the conversation by saying something like this: "I was surprised when you said I snubbed you. I certainly didn't mean to do that, and honestly I wasn't aware of what I did wrong. Can you please help me understand so I won't do it in the future?" Most managers will respond constructively to this kind of respectful request for feedback.
Fourth, the employee may want to start looking for another job. It's better for her to do that on her own terms rather than after being fired.
Don't forget that it's expensive and time-consuming to recruit and train new employees. It's in the company's interest as well the employee's to continue her employment if that's possible. Managers who torch employees for no reason are damaging their company and probably their own careers.
answered Jun 30 '14 at 22:42
O. Jones
13.6k24070
answered Jun 30 '14 at 22:42
O. Jones
13.6k24070
answered Jun 30 '14 at 22:42
O. Jones
13.6k24070
answered Jun 30 '14 at 22:42
O. Jones
13.6k24070
13.6k24070
If this boss truly did threaten their jobs by saying, "Illinois is an at will state, I can fire you for any reason," then I very much doubt the boss would respond reasonably to a one-on-one meeting.
– David K
Jul 1 '14 at 12:30
True, but this boss is apparently a middle manager in a company with an HR function, so lacks the personal authority to summarily sack somebody.
– O. Jones
Jul 1 '14 at 12:47
add a comment |Â
If this boss truly did threaten their jobs by saying, "Illinois is an at will state, I can fire you for any reason," then I very much doubt the boss would respond reasonably to a one-on-one meeting.
– David K
Jul 1 '14 at 12:30
True, but this boss is apparently a middle manager in a company with an HR function, so lacks the personal authority to summarily sack somebody.
– O. Jones
Jul 1 '14 at 12:47
If this boss truly did threaten their jobs by saying, "Illinois is an at will state, I can fire you for any reason," then I very much doubt the boss would respond reasonably to a one-on-one meeting.
– David K
Jul 1 '14 at 12:30
If this boss truly did threaten their jobs by saying, "Illinois is an at will state, I can fire you for any reason," then I very much doubt the boss would respond reasonably to a one-on-one meeting.
– David K
Jul 1 '14 at 12:30
True, but this boss is apparently a middle manager in a company with an HR function, so lacks the personal authority to summarily sack somebody.
– O. Jones
Jul 1 '14 at 12:47
True, but this boss is apparently a middle manager in a company with an HR function, so lacks the personal authority to summarily sack somebody.
– O. Jones
Jul 1 '14 at 12:47
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
HR is who ultimately can tell you if you're still an employee.
However, this sounds like an abusive situation, and if these employees are not able to resolve their situation with the boss, I would suggest moving bosses, or moving companies.
If this behavior is allowed at the company, it's likely to be tolerated elsewhere within the same company.
answered Jun 30 '14 at 22:49
Codeman
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up vote
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HR is who ultimately can tell you if you're still an employee.
However, this sounds like an abusive situation, and if these employees are not able to resolve their situation with the boss, I would suggest moving bosses, or moving companies.
If this behavior is allowed at the company, it's likely to be tolerated elsewhere within the same company.
answered Jun 30 '14 at 22:49
Codeman
1,9121423
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
HR is who ultimately can tell you if you're still an employee.
However, this sounds like an abusive situation, and if these employees are not able to resolve their situation with the boss, I would suggest moving bosses, or moving companies.
If this behavior is allowed at the company, it's likely to be tolerated elsewhere within the same company.
answered Jun 30 '14 at 22:49
Codeman
1,9121423
HR is who ultimately can tell you if you're still an employee.
However, this sounds like an abusive situation, and if these employees are not able to resolve their situation with the boss, I would suggest moving bosses, or moving companies.
If this behavior is allowed at the company, it's likely to be tolerated elsewhere within the same company.
answered Jun 30 '14 at 22:49
Codeman
1,9121423
answered Jun 30 '14 at 22:49
Codeman
1,9121423
answered Jun 30 '14 at 22:49
Codeman
1,9121423
answered Jun 30 '14 at 22:49
Codeman
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1,9121423
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add a comment |Â
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So, what's the question?
– Vietnhi Phuvan
Jun 30 '14 at 22:07
4
Advice: Change bosses. Inside the company if you can, outside if necessary. This one is not worth working for.
– keshlam
Jun 30 '14 at 22:26
5
File a complaint with HR. I still don't know what the question is, though.
– Vietnhi Phuvan
Jun 30 '14 at 22:34
1
-1; doesn't actually ask a question.
– Tom W
Jul 1 '14 at 14:20