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A recruiter contacted me, regarding an opening, to see if I was interested. This recruiter gave a Salary Amount and location for this opening.
The recruiter agreed to telephone interview with their client. After interview, which went well, recruiter contacted me to see if I would go to the clients home office for another interview. After I agreed, the recruiter changed the Salary amount, lowering it by $8,000.
I was interested in the job but, recruiter would not negotiate. Should I contact their client and tell them how it appeared as a bait & switch occurred? Client said the position has been open 4 months & I was 1st interview. They gave the impression they wanted it filled yesterday. Is it ethical to contact them?
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A recruiter contacted me, regarding an opening, to see if I was interested. This recruiter gave a Salary Amount and location for this opening.
The recruiter agreed to telephone interview with their client. After interview, which went well, recruiter contacted me to see if I would go to the clients home office for another interview. After I agreed, the recruiter changed the Salary amount, lowering it by $8,000.
I was interested in the job but, recruiter would not negotiate. Should I contact their client and tell them how it appeared as a bait & switch occurred? Client said the position has been open 4 months & I was 1st interview. They gave the impression they wanted it filled yesterday. Is it ethical to contact them?
recruitment
edited Aug 18 '14 at 6:32
David S.
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Most recruiters work on a commission. They want you to have a large salary, so that their commission will be higher. If that is how they are incentivized and they lower the salary, then I would suspect that the lower salary is the real salary and there is nothing to be gained by going around the recruiter to this particular employer. There might be something to gained by not using this recruiter in the future.
– emory
Aug 17 '14 at 17:40
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@emory: That's not true. Recruiters, like real estate agents, want to complete a transaction because they don't get paid at all if the candidate doesn't take a new job with the new employer. Therefore, they may actually prefer that the candidate ask for a little less than the maximum that the hiring company is willing to pay because it improves the chances that the company will select the candidate.
– Jim G.
Aug 17 '14 at 19:32
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The recruiter reduced the amount, probably because that amount might be the best they could get from the client. The OP hasn't received an offer and assuming they did, they still have the option of rejecting it.
– Vietnhi Phuvan
Aug 17 '14 at 21:50
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Did the recruiter not make you sign or at least agree to some terms, one of which is that you will not contact the companies directly? I wouldn't do it - I would make your terms known to the recruiter; eg, "i'll take the offer at the original amount but not the 8000 discounted price."
– JoeT
Aug 17 '14 at 23:53
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You say "recruiter would not negotiate" - but did they give you any explanation whatsoever for the change in the salary for the position?
– Carson63000
Aug 18 '14 at 2:26
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A recruiter contacted me, regarding an opening, to see if I was interested. This recruiter gave a Salary Amount and location for this opening.
The recruiter agreed to telephone interview with their client. After interview, which went well, recruiter contacted me to see if I would go to the clients home office for another interview. After I agreed, the recruiter changed the Salary amount, lowering it by $8,000.
I was interested in the job but, recruiter would not negotiate. Should I contact their client and tell them how it appeared as a bait & switch occurred? Client said the position has been open 4 months & I was 1st interview. They gave the impression they wanted it filled yesterday. Is it ethical to contact them?
recruitment
edited Aug 18 '14 at 6:32
David S.
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asked Aug 17 '14 at 17:12
Senior Premium Auditor
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A recruiter contacted me, regarding an opening, to see if I was interested. This recruiter gave a Salary Amount and location for this opening.
The recruiter agreed to telephone interview with their client. After interview, which went well, recruiter contacted me to see if I would go to the clients home office for another interview. After I agreed, the recruiter changed the Salary amount, lowering it by $8,000.
I was interested in the job but, recruiter would not negotiate. Should I contact their client and tell them how it appeared as a bait & switch occurred? Client said the position has been open 4 months & I was 1st interview. They gave the impression they wanted it filled yesterday. Is it ethical to contact them?
recruitment
edited Aug 18 '14 at 6:32
David S.
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asked Aug 17 '14 at 17:12
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edited Aug 18 '14 at 6:32
David S.
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David S.
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David S.
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Most recruiters work on a commission. They want you to have a large salary, so that their commission will be higher. If that is how they are incentivized and they lower the salary, then I would suspect that the lower salary is the real salary and there is nothing to be gained by going around the recruiter to this particular employer. There might be something to gained by not using this recruiter in the future.
– emory
Aug 17 '14 at 17:40
4
@emory: That's not true. Recruiters, like real estate agents, want to complete a transaction because they don't get paid at all if the candidate doesn't take a new job with the new employer. Therefore, they may actually prefer that the candidate ask for a little less than the maximum that the hiring company is willing to pay because it improves the chances that the company will select the candidate.
– Jim G.
Aug 17 '14 at 19:32
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The recruiter reduced the amount, probably because that amount might be the best they could get from the client. The OP hasn't received an offer and assuming they did, they still have the option of rejecting it.
– Vietnhi Phuvan
Aug 17 '14 at 21:50
1
Did the recruiter not make you sign or at least agree to some terms, one of which is that you will not contact the companies directly? I wouldn't do it - I would make your terms known to the recruiter; eg, "i'll take the offer at the original amount but not the 8000 discounted price."
– JoeT
Aug 17 '14 at 23:53
2
You say "recruiter would not negotiate" - but did they give you any explanation whatsoever for the change in the salary for the position?
– Carson63000
Aug 18 '14 at 2:26
 |Â
show 2 more comments
3
Most recruiters work on a commission. They want you to have a large salary, so that their commission will be higher. If that is how they are incentivized and they lower the salary, then I would suspect that the lower salary is the real salary and there is nothing to be gained by going around the recruiter to this particular employer. There might be something to gained by not using this recruiter in the future.
– emory
Aug 17 '14 at 17:40
4
@emory: That's not true. Recruiters, like real estate agents, want to complete a transaction because they don't get paid at all if the candidate doesn't take a new job with the new employer. Therefore, they may actually prefer that the candidate ask for a little less than the maximum that the hiring company is willing to pay because it improves the chances that the company will select the candidate.
– Jim G.
Aug 17 '14 at 19:32
1
The recruiter reduced the amount, probably because that amount might be the best they could get from the client. The OP hasn't received an offer and assuming they did, they still have the option of rejecting it.
– Vietnhi Phuvan
Aug 17 '14 at 21:50
1
Did the recruiter not make you sign or at least agree to some terms, one of which is that you will not contact the companies directly? I wouldn't do it - I would make your terms known to the recruiter; eg, "i'll take the offer at the original amount but not the 8000 discounted price."
– JoeT
Aug 17 '14 at 23:53
2
You say "recruiter would not negotiate" - but did they give you any explanation whatsoever for the change in the salary for the position?
– Carson63000
Aug 18 '14 at 2:26
3
3
Most recruiters work on a commission. They want you to have a large salary, so that their commission will be higher. If that is how they are incentivized and they lower the salary, then I would suspect that the lower salary is the real salary and there is nothing to be gained by going around the recruiter to this particular employer. There might be something to gained by not using this recruiter in the future.
– emory
Aug 17 '14 at 17:40
Most recruiters work on a commission. They want you to have a large salary, so that their commission will be higher. If that is how they are incentivized and they lower the salary, then I would suspect that the lower salary is the real salary and there is nothing to be gained by going around the recruiter to this particular employer. There might be something to gained by not using this recruiter in the future.
– emory
Aug 17 '14 at 17:40
4
4
@emory: That's not true. Recruiters, like real estate agents, want to complete a transaction because they don't get paid at all if the candidate doesn't take a new job with the new employer. Therefore, they may actually prefer that the candidate ask for a little less than the maximum that the hiring company is willing to pay because it improves the chances that the company will select the candidate.
– Jim G.
Aug 17 '14 at 19:32
@emory: That's not true. Recruiters, like real estate agents, want to complete a transaction because they don't get paid at all if the candidate doesn't take a new job with the new employer. Therefore, they may actually prefer that the candidate ask for a little less than the maximum that the hiring company is willing to pay because it improves the chances that the company will select the candidate.
– Jim G.
Aug 17 '14 at 19:32
1
1
The recruiter reduced the amount, probably because that amount might be the best they could get from the client. The OP hasn't received an offer and assuming they did, they still have the option of rejecting it.
– Vietnhi Phuvan
Aug 17 '14 at 21:50
The recruiter reduced the amount, probably because that amount might be the best they could get from the client. The OP hasn't received an offer and assuming they did, they still have the option of rejecting it.
– Vietnhi Phuvan
Aug 17 '14 at 21:50
1
1
Did the recruiter not make you sign or at least agree to some terms, one of which is that you will not contact the companies directly? I wouldn't do it - I would make your terms known to the recruiter; eg, "i'll take the offer at the original amount but not the 8000 discounted price."
– JoeT
Aug 17 '14 at 23:53
Did the recruiter not make you sign or at least agree to some terms, one of which is that you will not contact the companies directly? I wouldn't do it - I would make your terms known to the recruiter; eg, "i'll take the offer at the original amount but not the 8000 discounted price."
– JoeT
Aug 17 '14 at 23:53
2
2
You say "recruiter would not negotiate" - but did they give you any explanation whatsoever for the change in the salary for the position?
– Carson63000
Aug 18 '14 at 2:26
You say "recruiter would not negotiate" - but did they give you any explanation whatsoever for the change in the salary for the position?
– Carson63000
Aug 18 '14 at 2:26
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Depending on the company, the contracted hourly rate might be negotiated at a higher level than the department that the position is in. The budget for the position may have been reduced. The recruiter may have made a mistake or gotten confused between positions because I'm sure s/he is working to fill several of them. There are a number of reasonable explanations for the salary change.
If a potential contractor reached out to me about salary for a position, I would view that person as not following the common procedure. If it appears that you can't follow common procedure before you have the job - what would happen if you were hired? Would I have to worry about you going around me? Do I have time to deal with someone like that?
You have the option to interview about the position and then if it's offered and the salary doesn't meet your expectations - then you will need to decide to either accept it or not. This is where being a contractor has its pluses and minuses.
answered Aug 18 '14 at 12:36
Amanda H
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thank you for your perspective. I agree there is fine line and am glad I didn't cross it.
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No, I would not go to the recruiter's client directly. For better of worse, by starting working with the recruiter, you agreed that he or she would be representing you.
In addition, I would wait for a written offer after the last interview before I would start negotiating the salary.
By contacting the firm directly, you risk to spook them and will not get an offer.
Once you get an offer, it is up to you to take it or not or to indicate that it is $8,000 lower than expected.
answered Aug 18 '14 at 5:50
David S.
3,9902441
thank you for your answer. Appreciate the objective advice.
– Senior Premium Auditor
Aug 18 '14 at 17:54
By dropping the offer, and making the the prospective employee want to pull out, the recruiter is actively going against the interests of his client. So he doesn't deserve a penny in commission.
– gnasher729
Jun 29 '15 at 11:38
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Depending on the company, the contracted hourly rate might be negotiated at a higher level than the department that the position is in. The budget for the position may have been reduced. The recruiter may have made a mistake or gotten confused between positions because I'm sure s/he is working to fill several of them. There are a number of reasonable explanations for the salary change.
If a potential contractor reached out to me about salary for a position, I would view that person as not following the common procedure. If it appears that you can't follow common procedure before you have the job - what would happen if you were hired? Would I have to worry about you going around me? Do I have time to deal with someone like that?
You have the option to interview about the position and then if it's offered and the salary doesn't meet your expectations - then you will need to decide to either accept it or not. This is where being a contractor has its pluses and minuses.
answered Aug 18 '14 at 12:36
Amanda H
35913
thank you for your perspective. I agree there is fine line and am glad I didn't cross it.
– Senior Premium Auditor
Aug 18 '14 at 17:55
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
3
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Depending on the company, the contracted hourly rate might be negotiated at a higher level than the department that the position is in. The budget for the position may have been reduced. The recruiter may have made a mistake or gotten confused between positions because I'm sure s/he is working to fill several of them. There are a number of reasonable explanations for the salary change.
If a potential contractor reached out to me about salary for a position, I would view that person as not following the common procedure. If it appears that you can't follow common procedure before you have the job - what would happen if you were hired? Would I have to worry about you going around me? Do I have time to deal with someone like that?
You have the option to interview about the position and then if it's offered and the salary doesn't meet your expectations - then you will need to decide to either accept it or not. This is where being a contractor has its pluses and minuses.
answered Aug 18 '14 at 12:36
Amanda H
35913
thank you for your perspective. I agree there is fine line and am glad I didn't cross it.
– Senior Premium Auditor
Aug 18 '14 at 17:55
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
3
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up vote
3
down vote
Depending on the company, the contracted hourly rate might be negotiated at a higher level than the department that the position is in. The budget for the position may have been reduced. The recruiter may have made a mistake or gotten confused between positions because I'm sure s/he is working to fill several of them. There are a number of reasonable explanations for the salary change.
If a potential contractor reached out to me about salary for a position, I would view that person as not following the common procedure. If it appears that you can't follow common procedure before you have the job - what would happen if you were hired? Would I have to worry about you going around me? Do I have time to deal with someone like that?
You have the option to interview about the position and then if it's offered and the salary doesn't meet your expectations - then you will need to decide to either accept it or not. This is where being a contractor has its pluses and minuses.
answered Aug 18 '14 at 12:36
Amanda H
35913
Depending on the company, the contracted hourly rate might be negotiated at a higher level than the department that the position is in. The budget for the position may have been reduced. The recruiter may have made a mistake or gotten confused between positions because I'm sure s/he is working to fill several of them. There are a number of reasonable explanations for the salary change.
If a potential contractor reached out to me about salary for a position, I would view that person as not following the common procedure. If it appears that you can't follow common procedure before you have the job - what would happen if you were hired? Would I have to worry about you going around me? Do I have time to deal with someone like that?
You have the option to interview about the position and then if it's offered and the salary doesn't meet your expectations - then you will need to decide to either accept it or not. This is where being a contractor has its pluses and minuses.
answered Aug 18 '14 at 12:36
Amanda H
35913
answered Aug 18 '14 at 12:36
Amanda H
35913
answered Aug 18 '14 at 12:36
Amanda H
35913
answered Aug 18 '14 at 12:36
Amanda H
35913
35913
thank you for your perspective. I agree there is fine line and am glad I didn't cross it.
– Senior Premium Auditor
Aug 18 '14 at 17:55
suggest improvements |Â
thank you for your perspective. I agree there is fine line and am glad I didn't cross it.
– Senior Premium Auditor
Aug 18 '14 at 17:55
thank you for your perspective. I agree there is fine line and am glad I didn't cross it.
– Senior Premium Auditor
Aug 18 '14 at 17:55
thank you for your perspective. I agree there is fine line and am glad I didn't cross it.
– Senior Premium Auditor
Aug 18 '14 at 17:55
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
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No, I would not go to the recruiter's client directly. For better of worse, by starting working with the recruiter, you agreed that he or she would be representing you.
In addition, I would wait for a written offer after the last interview before I would start negotiating the salary.
By contacting the firm directly, you risk to spook them and will not get an offer.
Once you get an offer, it is up to you to take it or not or to indicate that it is $8,000 lower than expected.
answered Aug 18 '14 at 5:50
David S.
3,9902441
thank you for your answer. Appreciate the objective advice.
– Senior Premium Auditor
Aug 18 '14 at 17:54
By dropping the offer, and making the the prospective employee want to pull out, the recruiter is actively going against the interests of his client. So he doesn't deserve a penny in commission.
– gnasher729
Jun 29 '15 at 11:38
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
1
down vote
No, I would not go to the recruiter's client directly. For better of worse, by starting working with the recruiter, you agreed that he or she would be representing you.
In addition, I would wait for a written offer after the last interview before I would start negotiating the salary.
By contacting the firm directly, you risk to spook them and will not get an offer.
Once you get an offer, it is up to you to take it or not or to indicate that it is $8,000 lower than expected.
answered Aug 18 '14 at 5:50
David S.
3,9902441
thank you for your answer. Appreciate the objective advice.
– Senior Premium Auditor
Aug 18 '14 at 17:54
By dropping the offer, and making the the prospective employee want to pull out, the recruiter is actively going against the interests of his client. So he doesn't deserve a penny in commission.
– gnasher729
Jun 29 '15 at 11:38
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
No, I would not go to the recruiter's client directly. For better of worse, by starting working with the recruiter, you agreed that he or she would be representing you.
In addition, I would wait for a written offer after the last interview before I would start negotiating the salary.
By contacting the firm directly, you risk to spook them and will not get an offer.
Once you get an offer, it is up to you to take it or not or to indicate that it is $8,000 lower than expected.
answered Aug 18 '14 at 5:50
David S.
3,9902441
No, I would not go to the recruiter's client directly. For better of worse, by starting working with the recruiter, you agreed that he or she would be representing you.
In addition, I would wait for a written offer after the last interview before I would start negotiating the salary.
By contacting the firm directly, you risk to spook them and will not get an offer.
Once you get an offer, it is up to you to take it or not or to indicate that it is $8,000 lower than expected.
answered Aug 18 '14 at 5:50
David S.
3,9902441
answered Aug 18 '14 at 5:50
David S.
3,9902441
answered Aug 18 '14 at 5:50
David S.
3,9902441
answered Aug 18 '14 at 5:50
David S.
3,9902441
3,9902441
thank you for your answer. Appreciate the objective advice.
– Senior Premium Auditor
Aug 18 '14 at 17:54
By dropping the offer, and making the the prospective employee want to pull out, the recruiter is actively going against the interests of his client. So he doesn't deserve a penny in commission.
– gnasher729
Jun 29 '15 at 11:38
suggest improvements |Â
thank you for your answer. Appreciate the objective advice.
– Senior Premium Auditor
Aug 18 '14 at 17:54
By dropping the offer, and making the the prospective employee want to pull out, the recruiter is actively going against the interests of his client. So he doesn't deserve a penny in commission.
– gnasher729
Jun 29 '15 at 11:38
thank you for your answer. Appreciate the objective advice.
– Senior Premium Auditor
Aug 18 '14 at 17:54
thank you for your answer. Appreciate the objective advice.
– Senior Premium Auditor
Aug 18 '14 at 17:54
By dropping the offer, and making the the prospective employee want to pull out, the recruiter is actively going against the interests of his client. So he doesn't deserve a penny in commission.
– gnasher729
Jun 29 '15 at 11:38
By dropping the offer, and making the the prospective employee want to pull out, the recruiter is actively going against the interests of his client. So he doesn't deserve a penny in commission.
– gnasher729
Jun 29 '15 at 11:38
suggest improvements |Â
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Most recruiters work on a commission. They want you to have a large salary, so that their commission will be higher. If that is how they are incentivized and they lower the salary, then I would suspect that the lower salary is the real salary and there is nothing to be gained by going around the recruiter to this particular employer. There might be something to gained by not using this recruiter in the future.
– emory
Aug 17 '14 at 17:40
4
@emory: That's not true. Recruiters, like real estate agents, want to complete a transaction because they don't get paid at all if the candidate doesn't take a new job with the new employer. Therefore, they may actually prefer that the candidate ask for a little less than the maximum that the hiring company is willing to pay because it improves the chances that the company will select the candidate.
– Jim G.
Aug 17 '14 at 19:32
1
The recruiter reduced the amount, probably because that amount might be the best they could get from the client. The OP hasn't received an offer and assuming they did, they still have the option of rejecting it.
– Vietnhi Phuvan
Aug 17 '14 at 21:50
1
Did the recruiter not make you sign or at least agree to some terms, one of which is that you will not contact the companies directly? I wouldn't do it - I would make your terms known to the recruiter; eg, "i'll take the offer at the original amount but not the 8000 discounted price."
– JoeT
Aug 17 '14 at 23:53
2
You say "recruiter would not negotiate" - but did they give you any explanation whatsoever for the change in the salary for the position?
– Carson63000
Aug 18 '14 at 2:26