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I applied and successfully interviewed for a position in a different department in my company. The job was posted on our HR site as a grade 20. I am currently two grades below that, but have been waiting for a promised promotion to an 18 for over 6 months (job grades are even numbers). The problem with the promotion in my current position is that my department is not doing all that well financially and senior managers above mine won't approve the extra $3k to bring my salary up to the bottom of the 18 pay scale (I can't get the 18 grade promotion without being in the 18 pay grade range).
The people in the department that I just interviewed with have given me an oral acceptance and really want me to work for them. However, the HR person hinted that there may be a problem with the grade/pay and said they are "working on it". As I expected, they demoted the position to an 18 since I currently am a 16 and they substantially lowered the starting salary from what was advertised. I told the person with whom I interviewed that I've been waiting for the promotion to 18, but I don't know how much control he has. In contrast to my current department, which has been shrinking over the years, this new group is growing and hiring four new people other than me. Now that they offered me the job at 18, how should I attempt to negotiate being hired at a 20 as the job was originally posted? I have worked for my company for eight years and, despite excellent reviews every year, have not been promoted yet from the 16 where I started and have gotten paltry 2% or less increases in salary each year. My current manager said I've been doing the job of an 18, so I don't think being offered the 20 is unreasonable, especially if that is what they would give someone coming in off the street.
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asked Sep 24 '13 at 23:54
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closed as off-topic by jmac, jcmeloni, Michael Grubey, CincinnatiProgrammer, Joe Strazzere Sep 25 '13 at 22:34
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I applied and successfully interviewed for a position in a different department in my company. The job was posted on our HR site as a grade 20. I am currently two grades below that, but have been waiting for a promised promotion to an 18 for over 6 months (job grades are even numbers). The problem with the promotion in my current position is that my department is not doing all that well financially and senior managers above mine won't approve the extra $3k to bring my salary up to the bottom of the 18 pay scale (I can't get the 18 grade promotion without being in the 18 pay grade range).
The people in the department that I just interviewed with have given me an oral acceptance and really want me to work for them. However, the HR person hinted that there may be a problem with the grade/pay and said they are "working on it". As I expected, they demoted the position to an 18 since I currently am a 16 and they substantially lowered the starting salary from what was advertised. I told the person with whom I interviewed that I've been waiting for the promotion to 18, but I don't know how much control he has. In contrast to my current department, which has been shrinking over the years, this new group is growing and hiring four new people other than me. Now that they offered me the job at 18, how should I attempt to negotiate being hired at a 20 as the job was originally posted? I have worked for my company for eight years and, despite excellent reviews every year, have not been promoted yet from the 16 where I started and have gotten paltry 2% or less increases in salary each year. My current manager said I've been doing the job of an 18, so I don't think being offered the 20 is unreasonable, especially if that is what they would give someone coming in off the street.
negotiation job-offer promotion
asked Sep 24 '13 at 23:54
user10622
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closed as off-topic by jmac, jcmeloni, Michael Grubey, CincinnatiProgrammer, Joe Strazzere Sep 25 '13 at 22:34
This question appears to be off-topic. The users who voted to close gave this specific reason:
- "Questions seeking advice on what job to take, what skills to learn, etc. are off-topic as the answers are rarely useful to anyone else." – jmac, jcmeloni, Michael Grubey, CincinnatiProgrammer, Joe Strazzere
Hello, and welcome to The Workplace! The best questions here inspire answers that explain why or how as explained in our help center. Right now you are asking us what you should push for which isn't something we can easily provide advice on, so if you read over our help center and then edit your question, we would love to help!
– jmac
Sep 25 '13 at 2:28
Perhaps they did make a mistake. How can they legitimately deny me the grade 20, though, if I have all of the qualifications?
– user10622
Sep 26 '13 at 0:23
"They" can do what they please so long as they break no laws. Often, budgets are what drive whether or not people get promotions. Believe it or not, there is a lot of politics that goes into departmental budgets. If you are not being treated appropriately, it may be time to take your skills elsewhere.
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Nov 15 '17 at 3:11
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I applied and successfully interviewed for a position in a different department in my company. The job was posted on our HR site as a grade 20. I am currently two grades below that, but have been waiting for a promised promotion to an 18 for over 6 months (job grades are even numbers). The problem with the promotion in my current position is that my department is not doing all that well financially and senior managers above mine won't approve the extra $3k to bring my salary up to the bottom of the 18 pay scale (I can't get the 18 grade promotion without being in the 18 pay grade range).
The people in the department that I just interviewed with have given me an oral acceptance and really want me to work for them. However, the HR person hinted that there may be a problem with the grade/pay and said they are "working on it". As I expected, they demoted the position to an 18 since I currently am a 16 and they substantially lowered the starting salary from what was advertised. I told the person with whom I interviewed that I've been waiting for the promotion to 18, but I don't know how much control he has. In contrast to my current department, which has been shrinking over the years, this new group is growing and hiring four new people other than me. Now that they offered me the job at 18, how should I attempt to negotiate being hired at a 20 as the job was originally posted? I have worked for my company for eight years and, despite excellent reviews every year, have not been promoted yet from the 16 where I started and have gotten paltry 2% or less increases in salary each year. My current manager said I've been doing the job of an 18, so I don't think being offered the 20 is unreasonable, especially if that is what they would give someone coming in off the street.
negotiation job-offer promotion
asked Sep 24 '13 at 23:54
user10622
3613
I applied and successfully interviewed for a position in a different department in my company. The job was posted on our HR site as a grade 20. I am currently two grades below that, but have been waiting for a promised promotion to an 18 for over 6 months (job grades are even numbers). The problem with the promotion in my current position is that my department is not doing all that well financially and senior managers above mine won't approve the extra $3k to bring my salary up to the bottom of the 18 pay scale (I can't get the 18 grade promotion without being in the 18 pay grade range).
The people in the department that I just interviewed with have given me an oral acceptance and really want me to work for them. However, the HR person hinted that there may be a problem with the grade/pay and said they are "working on it". As I expected, they demoted the position to an 18 since I currently am a 16 and they substantially lowered the starting salary from what was advertised. I told the person with whom I interviewed that I've been waiting for the promotion to 18, but I don't know how much control he has. In contrast to my current department, which has been shrinking over the years, this new group is growing and hiring four new people other than me. Now that they offered me the job at 18, how should I attempt to negotiate being hired at a 20 as the job was originally posted? I have worked for my company for eight years and, despite excellent reviews every year, have not been promoted yet from the 16 where I started and have gotten paltry 2% or less increases in salary each year. My current manager said I've been doing the job of an 18, so I don't think being offered the 20 is unreasonable, especially if that is what they would give someone coming in off the street.
negotiation job-offer promotion
asked Sep 24 '13 at 23:54
user10622
3613
edited Sep 25 '13 at 21:07
asked Sep 24 '13 at 23:54
user10622
3613
asked Sep 24 '13 at 23:54
user10622
3613
asked Sep 24 '13 at 23:54
user10622
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closed as off-topic by jmac, jcmeloni, Michael Grubey, CincinnatiProgrammer, Joe Strazzere Sep 25 '13 at 22:34
This question appears to be off-topic. The users who voted to close gave this specific reason:
- "Questions seeking advice on what job to take, what skills to learn, etc. are off-topic as the answers are rarely useful to anyone else." – jmac, jcmeloni, Michael Grubey, CincinnatiProgrammer, Joe Strazzere
closed as off-topic by jmac, jcmeloni, Michael Grubey, CincinnatiProgrammer, Joe Strazzere Sep 25 '13 at 22:34
This question appears to be off-topic. The users who voted to close gave this specific reason:
- "Questions seeking advice on what job to take, what skills to learn, etc. are off-topic as the answers are rarely useful to anyone else." – jmac, jcmeloni, Michael Grubey, CincinnatiProgrammer, Joe Strazzere
Hello, and welcome to The Workplace! The best questions here inspire answers that explain why or how as explained in our help center. Right now you are asking us what you should push for which isn't something we can easily provide advice on, so if you read over our help center and then edit your question, we would love to help!
– jmac
Sep 25 '13 at 2:28
Perhaps they did make a mistake. How can they legitimately deny me the grade 20, though, if I have all of the qualifications?
– user10622
Sep 26 '13 at 0:23
"They" can do what they please so long as they break no laws. Often, budgets are what drive whether or not people get promotions. Believe it or not, there is a lot of politics that goes into departmental budgets. If you are not being treated appropriately, it may be time to take your skills elsewhere.
– pojo-guy
Nov 15 '17 at 3:11
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Hello, and welcome to The Workplace! The best questions here inspire answers that explain why or how as explained in our help center. Right now you are asking us what you should push for which isn't something we can easily provide advice on, so if you read over our help center and then edit your question, we would love to help!
– jmac
Sep 25 '13 at 2:28
Perhaps they did make a mistake. How can they legitimately deny me the grade 20, though, if I have all of the qualifications?
– user10622
Sep 26 '13 at 0:23
"They" can do what they please so long as they break no laws. Often, budgets are what drive whether or not people get promotions. Believe it or not, there is a lot of politics that goes into departmental budgets. If you are not being treated appropriately, it may be time to take your skills elsewhere.
– pojo-guy
Nov 15 '17 at 3:11
Hello, and welcome to The Workplace! The best questions here inspire answers that explain why or how as explained in our help center. Right now you are asking us what you should push for which isn't something we can easily provide advice on, so if you read over our help center and then edit your question, we would love to help!
– jmac
Sep 25 '13 at 2:28
Hello, and welcome to The Workplace! The best questions here inspire answers that explain why or how as explained in our help center. Right now you are asking us what you should push for which isn't something we can easily provide advice on, so if you read over our help center and then edit your question, we would love to help!
– jmac
Sep 25 '13 at 2:28
Perhaps they did make a mistake. How can they legitimately deny me the grade 20, though, if I have all of the qualifications?
– user10622
Sep 26 '13 at 0:23
Perhaps they did make a mistake. How can they legitimately deny me the grade 20, though, if I have all of the qualifications?
– user10622
Sep 26 '13 at 0:23
"They" can do what they please so long as they break no laws. Often, budgets are what drive whether or not people get promotions. Believe it or not, there is a lot of politics that goes into departmental budgets. If you are not being treated appropriately, it may be time to take your skills elsewhere.
– pojo-guy
Nov 15 '17 at 3:11
"They" can do what they please so long as they break no laws. Often, budgets are what drive whether or not people get promotions. Believe it or not, there is a lot of politics that goes into departmental budgets. If you are not being treated appropriately, it may be time to take your skills elsewhere.
– pojo-guy
Nov 15 '17 at 3:11
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Is the job offer written somehow (i.e. HR website, email, job posting site)? If so, that is the position you applied for. If you get an offer at the lower level, simply say no. I know it may be hard, but they already acknowledged you work harder then you get paid for. So why would they give you more money, if they have you for less? It doesn't sound like they're treating you too well.
If they come back and offer you the Grade 18 or 16 pay, you can also try negotiating with them. If they posted for a Grade 20, they should have the money in the budget for a Grade 20 person to come onboard, no matter where from. Do not let your company bully you around though. You'll always have your previous job at Grade 18, as long as you handle this professionally, and explain your reasons for turning it down (if that's your choice).
Best of luck!
answered Sep 25 '13 at 0:16
Canadian Luke
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All set. I put forth my argument and was offered the job at the grade and pay originally posted! Thanks.
– user10622
Sep 27 '13 at 2:48
No problem, glad I could help. Remember to Mark as a answer
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Sep 27 '13 at 2:49
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1 Answer
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active
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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up vote
11
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Is the job offer written somehow (i.e. HR website, email, job posting site)? If so, that is the position you applied for. If you get an offer at the lower level, simply say no. I know it may be hard, but they already acknowledged you work harder then you get paid for. So why would they give you more money, if they have you for less? It doesn't sound like they're treating you too well.
If they come back and offer you the Grade 18 or 16 pay, you can also try negotiating with them. If they posted for a Grade 20, they should have the money in the budget for a Grade 20 person to come onboard, no matter where from. Do not let your company bully you around though. You'll always have your previous job at Grade 18, as long as you handle this professionally, and explain your reasons for turning it down (if that's your choice).
Best of luck!
answered Sep 25 '13 at 0:16
Canadian Luke
70611022
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All set. I put forth my argument and was offered the job at the grade and pay originally posted! Thanks.
– user10622
Sep 27 '13 at 2:48
No problem, glad I could help. Remember to Mark as a answer
– Canadian Luke
Sep 27 '13 at 2:49
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up vote
11
down vote
Is the job offer written somehow (i.e. HR website, email, job posting site)? If so, that is the position you applied for. If you get an offer at the lower level, simply say no. I know it may be hard, but they already acknowledged you work harder then you get paid for. So why would they give you more money, if they have you for less? It doesn't sound like they're treating you too well.
If they come back and offer you the Grade 18 or 16 pay, you can also try negotiating with them. If they posted for a Grade 20, they should have the money in the budget for a Grade 20 person to come onboard, no matter where from. Do not let your company bully you around though. You'll always have your previous job at Grade 18, as long as you handle this professionally, and explain your reasons for turning it down (if that's your choice).
Best of luck!
answered Sep 25 '13 at 0:16
Canadian Luke
70611022
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All set. I put forth my argument and was offered the job at the grade and pay originally posted! Thanks.
– user10622
Sep 27 '13 at 2:48
No problem, glad I could help. Remember to Mark as a answer
– Canadian Luke
Sep 27 '13 at 2:49
add a comment |Â
up vote
11
down vote
up vote
11
down vote
Is the job offer written somehow (i.e. HR website, email, job posting site)? If so, that is the position you applied for. If you get an offer at the lower level, simply say no. I know it may be hard, but they already acknowledged you work harder then you get paid for. So why would they give you more money, if they have you for less? It doesn't sound like they're treating you too well.
If they come back and offer you the Grade 18 or 16 pay, you can also try negotiating with them. If they posted for a Grade 20, they should have the money in the budget for a Grade 20 person to come onboard, no matter where from. Do not let your company bully you around though. You'll always have your previous job at Grade 18, as long as you handle this professionally, and explain your reasons for turning it down (if that's your choice).
Best of luck!
answered Sep 25 '13 at 0:16
Canadian Luke
70611022
Is the job offer written somehow (i.e. HR website, email, job posting site)? If so, that is the position you applied for. If you get an offer at the lower level, simply say no. I know it may be hard, but they already acknowledged you work harder then you get paid for. So why would they give you more money, if they have you for less? It doesn't sound like they're treating you too well.
If they come back and offer you the Grade 18 or 16 pay, you can also try negotiating with them. If they posted for a Grade 20, they should have the money in the budget for a Grade 20 person to come onboard, no matter where from. Do not let your company bully you around though. You'll always have your previous job at Grade 18, as long as you handle this professionally, and explain your reasons for turning it down (if that's your choice).
Best of luck!
answered Sep 25 '13 at 0:16
Canadian Luke
70611022
answered Sep 25 '13 at 0:16
Canadian Luke
70611022
answered Sep 25 '13 at 0:16
Canadian Luke
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answered Sep 25 '13 at 0:16
Canadian Luke
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70611022
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All set. I put forth my argument and was offered the job at the grade and pay originally posted! Thanks.
– user10622
Sep 27 '13 at 2:48
No problem, glad I could help. Remember to Mark as a answer
– Canadian Luke
Sep 27 '13 at 2:49
add a comment |Â
6
All set. I put forth my argument and was offered the job at the grade and pay originally posted! Thanks.
– user10622
Sep 27 '13 at 2:48
No problem, glad I could help. Remember to Mark as a answer
– Canadian Luke
Sep 27 '13 at 2:49
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All set. I put forth my argument and was offered the job at the grade and pay originally posted! Thanks.
– user10622
Sep 27 '13 at 2:48
All set. I put forth my argument and was offered the job at the grade and pay originally posted! Thanks.
– user10622
Sep 27 '13 at 2:48
No problem, glad I could help. Remember to Mark as a answer
– Canadian Luke
Sep 27 '13 at 2:49
No problem, glad I could help. Remember to Mark as a answer
– Canadian Luke
Sep 27 '13 at 2:49
add a comment |Â
Hello, and welcome to The Workplace! The best questions here inspire answers that explain why or how as explained in our help center. Right now you are asking us what you should push for which isn't something we can easily provide advice on, so if you read over our help center and then edit your question, we would love to help!
– jmac
Sep 25 '13 at 2:28
Perhaps they did make a mistake. How can they legitimately deny me the grade 20, though, if I have all of the qualifications?
– user10622
Sep 26 '13 at 0:23
"They" can do what they please so long as they break no laws. Often, budgets are what drive whether or not people get promotions. Believe it or not, there is a lot of politics that goes into departmental budgets. If you are not being treated appropriately, it may be time to take your skills elsewhere.
– pojo-guy
Nov 15 '17 at 3:11