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I was hired into my company (30k+ employees) as a mid-level developer 2 years ago to work on a fledgling product that had received great feedback from its users. The original authors of the software were bootstrapped -- they taught themselves to program and built a useful tool. Unfortunately, their lack of education/experience manifested itself in classic ways: performance pitfalls, difficult to maintain, etc.
As the only formally schooled/trained programmer on the team, I was able to make positive contributions that had a solid impact on our feedback and order rate. Things took off, and everything worked out in a great way.
Fast forward to present day. I'm the only guy left working on the product (have been for the last 12 months), tasked with developing and supporting it. Preorders for the next version of the software have already made it hugely profitable (10x over). Though I have clearly been filling the role of Lead Developer/Architect/etc, I am still getting paid my original mid-level wage. My company doesn't do "bonuses", and our raise-policy prohibits more than x% per year.
My Question
With a big launch coming up, would it be wrong to approach management with the sales figures and ask for a (substantial) increase in pay or promotion?
career-development salary software-industry
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I was hired into my company (30k+ employees) as a mid-level developer 2 years ago to work on a fledgling product that had received great feedback from its users. The original authors of the software were bootstrapped -- they taught themselves to program and built a useful tool. Unfortunately, their lack of education/experience manifested itself in classic ways: performance pitfalls, difficult to maintain, etc.
As the only formally schooled/trained programmer on the team, I was able to make positive contributions that had a solid impact on our feedback and order rate. Things took off, and everything worked out in a great way.
Fast forward to present day. I'm the only guy left working on the product (have been for the last 12 months), tasked with developing and supporting it. Preorders for the next version of the software have already made it hugely profitable (10x over). Though I have clearly been filling the role of Lead Developer/Architect/etc, I am still getting paid my original mid-level wage. My company doesn't do "bonuses", and our raise-policy prohibits more than x% per year.
My Question
With a big launch coming up, would it be wrong to approach management with the sales figures and ask for a (substantial) increase in pay or promotion?
career-development salary software-industry
asked May 12 '12 at 0:17
Mr. JavaScript
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I edited your question to make it more answerable; people will mention their own experiences/ect to support their answers so you don't need to request stories. If you want to ask how/if to quit if they decline you should ask a separate question.
– Rarity
May 12 '12 at 0:54
humm.. if the project goes wrong? just like google wave.. I think is better you worry about "What is my part in this project?" Have you signed any contract? If me I just pay attention on this matters..
– B4NZ41
May 12 '12 at 1:24
Take a look at this question -> programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/65060/…
– B4NZ41
May 12 '12 at 1:30
so what happened?
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May 27 '16 at 22:19
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I was hired into my company (30k+ employees) as a mid-level developer 2 years ago to work on a fledgling product that had received great feedback from its users. The original authors of the software were bootstrapped -- they taught themselves to program and built a useful tool. Unfortunately, their lack of education/experience manifested itself in classic ways: performance pitfalls, difficult to maintain, etc.
As the only formally schooled/trained programmer on the team, I was able to make positive contributions that had a solid impact on our feedback and order rate. Things took off, and everything worked out in a great way.
Fast forward to present day. I'm the only guy left working on the product (have been for the last 12 months), tasked with developing and supporting it. Preorders for the next version of the software have already made it hugely profitable (10x over). Though I have clearly been filling the role of Lead Developer/Architect/etc, I am still getting paid my original mid-level wage. My company doesn't do "bonuses", and our raise-policy prohibits more than x% per year.
My Question
With a big launch coming up, would it be wrong to approach management with the sales figures and ask for a (substantial) increase in pay or promotion?
career-development salary software-industry
asked May 12 '12 at 0:17
Mr. JavaScript
30129
I was hired into my company (30k+ employees) as a mid-level developer 2 years ago to work on a fledgling product that had received great feedback from its users. The original authors of the software were bootstrapped -- they taught themselves to program and built a useful tool. Unfortunately, their lack of education/experience manifested itself in classic ways: performance pitfalls, difficult to maintain, etc.
As the only formally schooled/trained programmer on the team, I was able to make positive contributions that had a solid impact on our feedback and order rate. Things took off, and everything worked out in a great way.
Fast forward to present day. I'm the only guy left working on the product (have been for the last 12 months), tasked with developing and supporting it. Preorders for the next version of the software have already made it hugely profitable (10x over). Though I have clearly been filling the role of Lead Developer/Architect/etc, I am still getting paid my original mid-level wage. My company doesn't do "bonuses", and our raise-policy prohibits more than x% per year.
My Question
With a big launch coming up, would it be wrong to approach management with the sales figures and ask for a (substantial) increase in pay or promotion?
career-development salary software-industry
asked May 12 '12 at 0:17
Mr. JavaScript
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edited Jul 21 '12 at 23:55
asked May 12 '12 at 0:17
Mr. JavaScript
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asked May 12 '12 at 0:17
Mr. JavaScript
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I edited your question to make it more answerable; people will mention their own experiences/ect to support their answers so you don't need to request stories. If you want to ask how/if to quit if they decline you should ask a separate question.
– Rarity
May 12 '12 at 0:54
humm.. if the project goes wrong? just like google wave.. I think is better you worry about "What is my part in this project?" Have you signed any contract? If me I just pay attention on this matters..
– B4NZ41
May 12 '12 at 1:24
Take a look at this question -> programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/65060/…
– B4NZ41
May 12 '12 at 1:30
so what happened?
– user42272
May 27 '16 at 22:19
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I edited your question to make it more answerable; people will mention their own experiences/ect to support their answers so you don't need to request stories. If you want to ask how/if to quit if they decline you should ask a separate question.
– Rarity
May 12 '12 at 0:54
humm.. if the project goes wrong? just like google wave.. I think is better you worry about "What is my part in this project?" Have you signed any contract? If me I just pay attention on this matters..
– B4NZ41
May 12 '12 at 1:24
Take a look at this question -> programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/65060/…
– B4NZ41
May 12 '12 at 1:30
so what happened?
– user42272
May 27 '16 at 22:19
I edited your question to make it more answerable; people will mention their own experiences/ect to support their answers so you don't need to request stories. If you want to ask how/if to quit if they decline you should ask a separate question.
– Rarity
May 12 '12 at 0:54
I edited your question to make it more answerable; people will mention their own experiences/ect to support their answers so you don't need to request stories. If you want to ask how/if to quit if they decline you should ask a separate question.
– Rarity
May 12 '12 at 0:54
humm.. if the project goes wrong? just like google wave.. I think is better you worry about "What is my part in this project?" Have you signed any contract? If me I just pay attention on this matters..
– B4NZ41
May 12 '12 at 1:24
humm.. if the project goes wrong? just like google wave.. I think is better you worry about "What is my part in this project?" Have you signed any contract? If me I just pay attention on this matters..
– B4NZ41
May 12 '12 at 1:24
Take a look at this question -> programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/65060/…
– B4NZ41
May 12 '12 at 1:30
Take a look at this question -> programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/65060/…
– B4NZ41
May 12 '12 at 1:30
so what happened?
– user42272
May 27 '16 at 22:19
so what happened?
– user42272
May 27 '16 at 22:19
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The key with salary negotiation (or any negotiation for that matter) is leverage.
From what you said:
I'm the only guy left working on the product
and assuming this product is important to the company, you seem to be in a good position.
Before you enter any sort of negotiation, you need to know your BATNA (Best Alternative To Negotiated Agreement - see Roger Fisher book "Getting to YES" if you haven't read it), in short: you need to know what your alternatives are if you can't come to an agreement.
If (in the worst case), they decided to fire you on the spot (very unlikely) - what's your backup plan? No matter how unlikely this situation would be, you simply need to be prepared. Or what if they simply said "no"? Would you be happy to stay? or you probably, again, need to be prepared to move on. At the same time, once you start this kind of talk, your employer might start thinking that you are not happy and you might jump ship at any time and therefore they might slowly move to make sure you can be replaced quite easily.
So many if, might, and but ... but that's just how it is
Another issue would be how to present the question to your employer.
Rather than straight out asking for a raise, it's usually better to lay your facts and arguments on the table, with the goal of telling your employer "I am worth a lot more than I am being paid right now". You need to show how important you are to the company and that it's in their best interest to give you a raise and keep you in the company.
In summary:
- Make sure you are prepared with facts supporting why you should be paid more
- Be prepared for ANY outcome, make sure you have a back-up plan
edited Jul 31 '12 at 18:04
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You stated "make sure you have a back-up plan", but what if he doesn't have a back-up plan?
– Pacerier
Jul 10 '15 at 8:55
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It sounds like you deserve it, but it also sounds like policy will be to say no. Instead of a raise, consider asking for a promotion.
answered May 12 '12 at 1:34
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+1 on promotion - which doesn't have to involve, and in this case will likely not involve, managing someone. Don't agree about policy though, however, some organisations will have a lot of difficulty in agreeing a raise outside the normal financial planning cycle for that business.
– James Youngman
May 13 '12 at 5:43
1
Definitely--he's doing the job of a higher level person, he should be promoted to that position.
– Loren Pechtel
May 14 '12 at 21:12
1
Good advice: if they have an official policy regarding percentages for raises, then don't ask for a raise. Ask for a new title, new job description, new salary. Note that this will surely involve a formal increase in your role's responsibilities.
– Carson63000
Jul 22 '12 at 6:14
+1 "as per <reasons>, I feel that I have outgrown my current position and job description. I feel like a promotion to <better suited job title> with <responsibilties> would be a better fit for my current role within <company>.
– Tyzoid
Nov 21 '14 at 16:56
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I think you've earned it. It certainly sounds like you've contributed enough to deserve it.
With that said, it doesn't sound like your employer is going to give it to you, even if you ask. It kind of sounds like a situation where your skills at your salary level are being slightly taken advantage of, as you should have probably gotten this promotion already.
One way to handle this if you ask and they say no - start shopping your resume. I'm not sure where you are located but in most places in the US, software developers (especially experienced ones) are a hot commodity. You'd likely find another offer quickly. Then you could probably take THAT back to yoru current employer and use it as leverage.
Do this carefully, though, as you will probably only be able to do it one time with this employer.
answered May 12 '12 at 1:12
Alan Delimon
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While you are correct that experienced software developers are a hot commodity there also isn't any shortage of them. The job market today is very tough, its a dog eat dog world, and companies are tired of being burned by these so called "experienced" developers.
– Ramhound
May 14 '12 at 11:52
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Depends on where you are I am thinking. In my market, a developer with 5+ years experience who is GOOD is very hard to hire, because they are already working. There is, of course, a difference between a developer who has been doing it a long time and one who has been doing it a long time and is actually good at it.
– Alan Delimon
May 14 '12 at 13:14
@Ramhound It depends on the specialty. In some fields, there are fewer developers than openings, while in others there are so many that 500 resumes wouldn't be odd for a single opening. Having been the primary developer for a hot product, the OP has considerable leverage and can point to his specific achievement right there on the shelves for potential employers to purchase.
– David Navarre
Jul 31 '12 at 19:58
@AlanDelimon, Are you sure it's legal to find another offer and then use that as leverage?
– Pacerier
Jul 10 '15 at 8:57
@Pacerier Yes, in the US it is definitely legal to do that. It happens all the time.
– Alan Delimon
Jul 10 '15 at 17:42
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3 Answers
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3 Answers
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up vote
18
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accepted
The key with salary negotiation (or any negotiation for that matter) is leverage.
From what you said:
I'm the only guy left working on the product
and assuming this product is important to the company, you seem to be in a good position.
Before you enter any sort of negotiation, you need to know your BATNA (Best Alternative To Negotiated Agreement - see Roger Fisher book "Getting to YES" if you haven't read it), in short: you need to know what your alternatives are if you can't come to an agreement.
If (in the worst case), they decided to fire you on the spot (very unlikely) - what's your backup plan? No matter how unlikely this situation would be, you simply need to be prepared. Or what if they simply said "no"? Would you be happy to stay? or you probably, again, need to be prepared to move on. At the same time, once you start this kind of talk, your employer might start thinking that you are not happy and you might jump ship at any time and therefore they might slowly move to make sure you can be replaced quite easily.
So many if, might, and but ... but that's just how it is
Another issue would be how to present the question to your employer.
Rather than straight out asking for a raise, it's usually better to lay your facts and arguments on the table, with the goal of telling your employer "I am worth a lot more than I am being paid right now". You need to show how important you are to the company and that it's in their best interest to give you a raise and keep you in the company.
In summary:
- Make sure you are prepared with facts supporting why you should be paid more
- Be prepared for ANY outcome, make sure you have a back-up plan
edited Jul 31 '12 at 18:04
Dani
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answered May 12 '12 at 3:08
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You stated "make sure you have a back-up plan", but what if he doesn't have a back-up plan?
– Pacerier
Jul 10 '15 at 8:55
add a comment |Â
up vote
18
down vote
accepted
The key with salary negotiation (or any negotiation for that matter) is leverage.
From what you said:
I'm the only guy left working on the product
and assuming this product is important to the company, you seem to be in a good position.
Before you enter any sort of negotiation, you need to know your BATNA (Best Alternative To Negotiated Agreement - see Roger Fisher book "Getting to YES" if you haven't read it), in short: you need to know what your alternatives are if you can't come to an agreement.
If (in the worst case), they decided to fire you on the spot (very unlikely) - what's your backup plan? No matter how unlikely this situation would be, you simply need to be prepared. Or what if they simply said "no"? Would you be happy to stay? or you probably, again, need to be prepared to move on. At the same time, once you start this kind of talk, your employer might start thinking that you are not happy and you might jump ship at any time and therefore they might slowly move to make sure you can be replaced quite easily.
So many if, might, and but ... but that's just how it is
Another issue would be how to present the question to your employer.
Rather than straight out asking for a raise, it's usually better to lay your facts and arguments on the table, with the goal of telling your employer "I am worth a lot more than I am being paid right now". You need to show how important you are to the company and that it's in their best interest to give you a raise and keep you in the company.
In summary:
- Make sure you are prepared with facts supporting why you should be paid more
- Be prepared for ANY outcome, make sure you have a back-up plan
edited Jul 31 '12 at 18:04
Dani
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answered May 12 '12 at 3:08
tsOverflow
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You stated "make sure you have a back-up plan", but what if he doesn't have a back-up plan?
– Pacerier
Jul 10 '15 at 8:55
add a comment |Â
up vote
18
down vote
accepted
up vote
18
down vote
accepted
The key with salary negotiation (or any negotiation for that matter) is leverage.
From what you said:
I'm the only guy left working on the product
and assuming this product is important to the company, you seem to be in a good position.
Before you enter any sort of negotiation, you need to know your BATNA (Best Alternative To Negotiated Agreement - see Roger Fisher book "Getting to YES" if you haven't read it), in short: you need to know what your alternatives are if you can't come to an agreement.
If (in the worst case), they decided to fire you on the spot (very unlikely) - what's your backup plan? No matter how unlikely this situation would be, you simply need to be prepared. Or what if they simply said "no"? Would you be happy to stay? or you probably, again, need to be prepared to move on. At the same time, once you start this kind of talk, your employer might start thinking that you are not happy and you might jump ship at any time and therefore they might slowly move to make sure you can be replaced quite easily.
So many if, might, and but ... but that's just how it is
Another issue would be how to present the question to your employer.
Rather than straight out asking for a raise, it's usually better to lay your facts and arguments on the table, with the goal of telling your employer "I am worth a lot more than I am being paid right now". You need to show how important you are to the company and that it's in their best interest to give you a raise and keep you in the company.
In summary:
- Make sure you are prepared with facts supporting why you should be paid more
- Be prepared for ANY outcome, make sure you have a back-up plan
edited Jul 31 '12 at 18:04
Dani
1,860179
answered May 12 '12 at 3:08
tsOverflow
86868
The key with salary negotiation (or any negotiation for that matter) is leverage.
From what you said:
I'm the only guy left working on the product
and assuming this product is important to the company, you seem to be in a good position.
Before you enter any sort of negotiation, you need to know your BATNA (Best Alternative To Negotiated Agreement - see Roger Fisher book "Getting to YES" if you haven't read it), in short: you need to know what your alternatives are if you can't come to an agreement.
If (in the worst case), they decided to fire you on the spot (very unlikely) - what's your backup plan? No matter how unlikely this situation would be, you simply need to be prepared. Or what if they simply said "no"? Would you be happy to stay? or you probably, again, need to be prepared to move on. At the same time, once you start this kind of talk, your employer might start thinking that you are not happy and you might jump ship at any time and therefore they might slowly move to make sure you can be replaced quite easily.
So many if, might, and but ... but that's just how it is
Another issue would be how to present the question to your employer.
Rather than straight out asking for a raise, it's usually better to lay your facts and arguments on the table, with the goal of telling your employer "I am worth a lot more than I am being paid right now". You need to show how important you are to the company and that it's in their best interest to give you a raise and keep you in the company.
In summary:
- Make sure you are prepared with facts supporting why you should be paid more
- Be prepared for ANY outcome, make sure you have a back-up plan
edited Jul 31 '12 at 18:04
Dani
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answered May 12 '12 at 3:08
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edited Jul 31 '12 at 18:04
Dani
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Dani
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You stated "make sure you have a back-up plan", but what if he doesn't have a back-up plan?
– Pacerier
Jul 10 '15 at 8:55
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You stated "make sure you have a back-up plan", but what if he doesn't have a back-up plan?
– Pacerier
Jul 10 '15 at 8:55
You stated "make sure you have a back-up plan", but what if he doesn't have a back-up plan?
– Pacerier
Jul 10 '15 at 8:55
You stated "make sure you have a back-up plan", but what if he doesn't have a back-up plan?
– Pacerier
Jul 10 '15 at 8:55
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up vote
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It sounds like you deserve it, but it also sounds like policy will be to say no. Instead of a raise, consider asking for a promotion.
answered May 12 '12 at 1:34
jmoreno
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+1 on promotion - which doesn't have to involve, and in this case will likely not involve, managing someone. Don't agree about policy though, however, some organisations will have a lot of difficulty in agreeing a raise outside the normal financial planning cycle for that business.
– James Youngman
May 13 '12 at 5:43
1
Definitely--he's doing the job of a higher level person, he should be promoted to that position.
– Loren Pechtel
May 14 '12 at 21:12
1
Good advice: if they have an official policy regarding percentages for raises, then don't ask for a raise. Ask for a new title, new job description, new salary. Note that this will surely involve a formal increase in your role's responsibilities.
– Carson63000
Jul 22 '12 at 6:14
+1 "as per <reasons>, I feel that I have outgrown my current position and job description. I feel like a promotion to <better suited job title> with <responsibilties> would be a better fit for my current role within <company>.
– Tyzoid
Nov 21 '14 at 16:56
add a comment |Â
up vote
16
down vote
It sounds like you deserve it, but it also sounds like policy will be to say no. Instead of a raise, consider asking for a promotion.
answered May 12 '12 at 1:34
jmoreno
7,9271840
2
+1 on promotion - which doesn't have to involve, and in this case will likely not involve, managing someone. Don't agree about policy though, however, some organisations will have a lot of difficulty in agreeing a raise outside the normal financial planning cycle for that business.
– James Youngman
May 13 '12 at 5:43
1
Definitely--he's doing the job of a higher level person, he should be promoted to that position.
– Loren Pechtel
May 14 '12 at 21:12
1
Good advice: if they have an official policy regarding percentages for raises, then don't ask for a raise. Ask for a new title, new job description, new salary. Note that this will surely involve a formal increase in your role's responsibilities.
– Carson63000
Jul 22 '12 at 6:14
+1 "as per <reasons>, I feel that I have outgrown my current position and job description. I feel like a promotion to <better suited job title> with <responsibilties> would be a better fit for my current role within <company>.
– Tyzoid
Nov 21 '14 at 16:56
add a comment |Â
up vote
16
down vote
up vote
16
down vote
It sounds like you deserve it, but it also sounds like policy will be to say no. Instead of a raise, consider asking for a promotion.
answered May 12 '12 at 1:34
jmoreno
7,9271840
It sounds like you deserve it, but it also sounds like policy will be to say no. Instead of a raise, consider asking for a promotion.
answered May 12 '12 at 1:34
jmoreno
7,9271840
answered May 12 '12 at 1:34
jmoreno
7,9271840
answered May 12 '12 at 1:34
jmoreno
7,9271840
answered May 12 '12 at 1:34
jmoreno
7,9271840
7,9271840
2
+1 on promotion - which doesn't have to involve, and in this case will likely not involve, managing someone. Don't agree about policy though, however, some organisations will have a lot of difficulty in agreeing a raise outside the normal financial planning cycle for that business.
– James Youngman
May 13 '12 at 5:43
1
Definitely--he's doing the job of a higher level person, he should be promoted to that position.
– Loren Pechtel
May 14 '12 at 21:12
1
Good advice: if they have an official policy regarding percentages for raises, then don't ask for a raise. Ask for a new title, new job description, new salary. Note that this will surely involve a formal increase in your role's responsibilities.
– Carson63000
Jul 22 '12 at 6:14
+1 "as per <reasons>, I feel that I have outgrown my current position and job description. I feel like a promotion to <better suited job title> with <responsibilties> would be a better fit for my current role within <company>.
– Tyzoid
Nov 21 '14 at 16:56
add a comment |Â
2
+1 on promotion - which doesn't have to involve, and in this case will likely not involve, managing someone. Don't agree about policy though, however, some organisations will have a lot of difficulty in agreeing a raise outside the normal financial planning cycle for that business.
– James Youngman
May 13 '12 at 5:43
1
Definitely--he's doing the job of a higher level person, he should be promoted to that position.
– Loren Pechtel
May 14 '12 at 21:12
1
Good advice: if they have an official policy regarding percentages for raises, then don't ask for a raise. Ask for a new title, new job description, new salary. Note that this will surely involve a formal increase in your role's responsibilities.
– Carson63000
Jul 22 '12 at 6:14
+1 "as per <reasons>, I feel that I have outgrown my current position and job description. I feel like a promotion to <better suited job title> with <responsibilties> would be a better fit for my current role within <company>.
– Tyzoid
Nov 21 '14 at 16:56
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+1 on promotion - which doesn't have to involve, and in this case will likely not involve, managing someone. Don't agree about policy though, however, some organisations will have a lot of difficulty in agreeing a raise outside the normal financial planning cycle for that business.
– James Youngman
May 13 '12 at 5:43
+1 on promotion - which doesn't have to involve, and in this case will likely not involve, managing someone. Don't agree about policy though, however, some organisations will have a lot of difficulty in agreeing a raise outside the normal financial planning cycle for that business.
– James Youngman
May 13 '12 at 5:43
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Definitely--he's doing the job of a higher level person, he should be promoted to that position.
– Loren Pechtel
May 14 '12 at 21:12
Definitely--he's doing the job of a higher level person, he should be promoted to that position.
– Loren Pechtel
May 14 '12 at 21:12
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Good advice: if they have an official policy regarding percentages for raises, then don't ask for a raise. Ask for a new title, new job description, new salary. Note that this will surely involve a formal increase in your role's responsibilities.
– Carson63000
Jul 22 '12 at 6:14
Good advice: if they have an official policy regarding percentages for raises, then don't ask for a raise. Ask for a new title, new job description, new salary. Note that this will surely involve a formal increase in your role's responsibilities.
– Carson63000
Jul 22 '12 at 6:14
+1 "as per <reasons>, I feel that I have outgrown my current position and job description. I feel like a promotion to <better suited job title> with <responsibilties> would be a better fit for my current role within <company>.
– Tyzoid
Nov 21 '14 at 16:56
+1 "as per <reasons>, I feel that I have outgrown my current position and job description. I feel like a promotion to <better suited job title> with <responsibilties> would be a better fit for my current role within <company>.
– Tyzoid
Nov 21 '14 at 16:56
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I think you've earned it. It certainly sounds like you've contributed enough to deserve it.
With that said, it doesn't sound like your employer is going to give it to you, even if you ask. It kind of sounds like a situation where your skills at your salary level are being slightly taken advantage of, as you should have probably gotten this promotion already.
One way to handle this if you ask and they say no - start shopping your resume. I'm not sure where you are located but in most places in the US, software developers (especially experienced ones) are a hot commodity. You'd likely find another offer quickly. Then you could probably take THAT back to yoru current employer and use it as leverage.
Do this carefully, though, as you will probably only be able to do it one time with this employer.
answered May 12 '12 at 1:12
Alan Delimon
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While you are correct that experienced software developers are a hot commodity there also isn't any shortage of them. The job market today is very tough, its a dog eat dog world, and companies are tired of being burned by these so called "experienced" developers.
– Ramhound
May 14 '12 at 11:52
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Depends on where you are I am thinking. In my market, a developer with 5+ years experience who is GOOD is very hard to hire, because they are already working. There is, of course, a difference between a developer who has been doing it a long time and one who has been doing it a long time and is actually good at it.
– Alan Delimon
May 14 '12 at 13:14
@Ramhound It depends on the specialty. In some fields, there are fewer developers than openings, while in others there are so many that 500 resumes wouldn't be odd for a single opening. Having been the primary developer for a hot product, the OP has considerable leverage and can point to his specific achievement right there on the shelves for potential employers to purchase.
– David Navarre
Jul 31 '12 at 19:58
@AlanDelimon, Are you sure it's legal to find another offer and then use that as leverage?
– Pacerier
Jul 10 '15 at 8:57
@Pacerier Yes, in the US it is definitely legal to do that. It happens all the time.
– Alan Delimon
Jul 10 '15 at 17:42
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up vote
8
down vote
I think you've earned it. It certainly sounds like you've contributed enough to deserve it.
With that said, it doesn't sound like your employer is going to give it to you, even if you ask. It kind of sounds like a situation where your skills at your salary level are being slightly taken advantage of, as you should have probably gotten this promotion already.
One way to handle this if you ask and they say no - start shopping your resume. I'm not sure where you are located but in most places in the US, software developers (especially experienced ones) are a hot commodity. You'd likely find another offer quickly. Then you could probably take THAT back to yoru current employer and use it as leverage.
Do this carefully, though, as you will probably only be able to do it one time with this employer.
answered May 12 '12 at 1:12
Alan Delimon
38116
2
While you are correct that experienced software developers are a hot commodity there also isn't any shortage of them. The job market today is very tough, its a dog eat dog world, and companies are tired of being burned by these so called "experienced" developers.
– Ramhound
May 14 '12 at 11:52
3
Depends on where you are I am thinking. In my market, a developer with 5+ years experience who is GOOD is very hard to hire, because they are already working. There is, of course, a difference between a developer who has been doing it a long time and one who has been doing it a long time and is actually good at it.
– Alan Delimon
May 14 '12 at 13:14
@Ramhound It depends on the specialty. In some fields, there are fewer developers than openings, while in others there are so many that 500 resumes wouldn't be odd for a single opening. Having been the primary developer for a hot product, the OP has considerable leverage and can point to his specific achievement right there on the shelves for potential employers to purchase.
– David Navarre
Jul 31 '12 at 19:58
@AlanDelimon, Are you sure it's legal to find another offer and then use that as leverage?
– Pacerier
Jul 10 '15 at 8:57
@Pacerier Yes, in the US it is definitely legal to do that. It happens all the time.
– Alan Delimon
Jul 10 '15 at 17:42
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up vote
8
down vote
up vote
8
down vote
I think you've earned it. It certainly sounds like you've contributed enough to deserve it.
With that said, it doesn't sound like your employer is going to give it to you, even if you ask. It kind of sounds like a situation where your skills at your salary level are being slightly taken advantage of, as you should have probably gotten this promotion already.
One way to handle this if you ask and they say no - start shopping your resume. I'm not sure where you are located but in most places in the US, software developers (especially experienced ones) are a hot commodity. You'd likely find another offer quickly. Then you could probably take THAT back to yoru current employer and use it as leverage.
Do this carefully, though, as you will probably only be able to do it one time with this employer.
answered May 12 '12 at 1:12
Alan Delimon
38116
I think you've earned it. It certainly sounds like you've contributed enough to deserve it.
With that said, it doesn't sound like your employer is going to give it to you, even if you ask. It kind of sounds like a situation where your skills at your salary level are being slightly taken advantage of, as you should have probably gotten this promotion already.
One way to handle this if you ask and they say no - start shopping your resume. I'm not sure where you are located but in most places in the US, software developers (especially experienced ones) are a hot commodity. You'd likely find another offer quickly. Then you could probably take THAT back to yoru current employer and use it as leverage.
Do this carefully, though, as you will probably only be able to do it one time with this employer.
answered May 12 '12 at 1:12
Alan Delimon
38116
answered May 12 '12 at 1:12
Alan Delimon
38116
answered May 12 '12 at 1:12
Alan Delimon
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answered May 12 '12 at 1:12
Alan Delimon
38116
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While you are correct that experienced software developers are a hot commodity there also isn't any shortage of them. The job market today is very tough, its a dog eat dog world, and companies are tired of being burned by these so called "experienced" developers.
– Ramhound
May 14 '12 at 11:52
3
Depends on where you are I am thinking. In my market, a developer with 5+ years experience who is GOOD is very hard to hire, because they are already working. There is, of course, a difference between a developer who has been doing it a long time and one who has been doing it a long time and is actually good at it.
– Alan Delimon
May 14 '12 at 13:14
@Ramhound It depends on the specialty. In some fields, there are fewer developers than openings, while in others there are so many that 500 resumes wouldn't be odd for a single opening. Having been the primary developer for a hot product, the OP has considerable leverage and can point to his specific achievement right there on the shelves for potential employers to purchase.
– David Navarre
Jul 31 '12 at 19:58
@AlanDelimon, Are you sure it's legal to find another offer and then use that as leverage?
– Pacerier
Jul 10 '15 at 8:57
@Pacerier Yes, in the US it is definitely legal to do that. It happens all the time.
– Alan Delimon
Jul 10 '15 at 17:42
add a comment |Â
2
While you are correct that experienced software developers are a hot commodity there also isn't any shortage of them. The job market today is very tough, its a dog eat dog world, and companies are tired of being burned by these so called "experienced" developers.
– Ramhound
May 14 '12 at 11:52
3
Depends on where you are I am thinking. In my market, a developer with 5+ years experience who is GOOD is very hard to hire, because they are already working. There is, of course, a difference between a developer who has been doing it a long time and one who has been doing it a long time and is actually good at it.
– Alan Delimon
May 14 '12 at 13:14
@Ramhound It depends on the specialty. In some fields, there are fewer developers than openings, while in others there are so many that 500 resumes wouldn't be odd for a single opening. Having been the primary developer for a hot product, the OP has considerable leverage and can point to his specific achievement right there on the shelves for potential employers to purchase.
– David Navarre
Jul 31 '12 at 19:58
@AlanDelimon, Are you sure it's legal to find another offer and then use that as leverage?
– Pacerier
Jul 10 '15 at 8:57
@Pacerier Yes, in the US it is definitely legal to do that. It happens all the time.
– Alan Delimon
Jul 10 '15 at 17:42
2
2
While you are correct that experienced software developers are a hot commodity there also isn't any shortage of them. The job market today is very tough, its a dog eat dog world, and companies are tired of being burned by these so called "experienced" developers.
– Ramhound
May 14 '12 at 11:52
While you are correct that experienced software developers are a hot commodity there also isn't any shortage of them. The job market today is very tough, its a dog eat dog world, and companies are tired of being burned by these so called "experienced" developers.
– Ramhound
May 14 '12 at 11:52
3
3
Depends on where you are I am thinking. In my market, a developer with 5+ years experience who is GOOD is very hard to hire, because they are already working. There is, of course, a difference between a developer who has been doing it a long time and one who has been doing it a long time and is actually good at it.
– Alan Delimon
May 14 '12 at 13:14
Depends on where you are I am thinking. In my market, a developer with 5+ years experience who is GOOD is very hard to hire, because they are already working. There is, of course, a difference between a developer who has been doing it a long time and one who has been doing it a long time and is actually good at it.
– Alan Delimon
May 14 '12 at 13:14
@Ramhound It depends on the specialty. In some fields, there are fewer developers than openings, while in others there are so many that 500 resumes wouldn't be odd for a single opening. Having been the primary developer for a hot product, the OP has considerable leverage and can point to his specific achievement right there on the shelves for potential employers to purchase.
– David Navarre
Jul 31 '12 at 19:58
@Ramhound It depends on the specialty. In some fields, there are fewer developers than openings, while in others there are so many that 500 resumes wouldn't be odd for a single opening. Having been the primary developer for a hot product, the OP has considerable leverage and can point to his specific achievement right there on the shelves for potential employers to purchase.
– David Navarre
Jul 31 '12 at 19:58
@AlanDelimon, Are you sure it's legal to find another offer and then use that as leverage?
– Pacerier
Jul 10 '15 at 8:57
@AlanDelimon, Are you sure it's legal to find another offer and then use that as leverage?
– Pacerier
Jul 10 '15 at 8:57
@Pacerier Yes, in the US it is definitely legal to do that. It happens all the time.
– Alan Delimon
Jul 10 '15 at 17:42
@Pacerier Yes, in the US it is definitely legal to do that. It happens all the time.
– Alan Delimon
Jul 10 '15 at 17:42
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I edited your question to make it more answerable; people will mention their own experiences/ect to support their answers so you don't need to request stories. If you want to ask how/if to quit if they decline you should ask a separate question.
– Rarity
May 12 '12 at 0:54
humm.. if the project goes wrong? just like google wave.. I think is better you worry about "What is my part in this project?" Have you signed any contract? If me I just pay attention on this matters..
– B4NZ41
May 12 '12 at 1:24
Take a look at this question -> programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/65060/…
– B4NZ41
May 12 '12 at 1:30
so what happened?
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