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I worked for a particular start up sometime ago, but got a bad check in the mail after the work. Since it was a start-up, I decided to give some time before I demand my money. Problem is the company does not have a valid address and my lawyer says that is needed if he is to deliver the papers.
I know this company is still in business as the website is still up. How do I go about getting my money? Also, what rights do I have as an ex-employer to wages unpaid, in general?
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I worked for a particular start up sometime ago, but got a bad check in the mail after the work. Since it was a start-up, I decided to give some time before I demand my money. Problem is the company does not have a valid address and my lawyer says that is needed if he is to deliver the papers.
I know this company is still in business as the website is still up. How do I go about getting my money? Also, what rights do I have as an ex-employer to wages unpaid, in general?
freelancing payment
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Did they sign any sort of contract or documentation, or did they just tell you face to face that they would pay you?
â Philip
May 11 '12 at 18:38
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It is a crime to pass a bad check. Consider contacting your state attorney general's office.
â kevin cline
May 11 '12 at 18:39
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I signed contracts in both cases. I am wondering if I can just walk into the local police station for the one.
â Rac Main
May 11 '12 at 18:50
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Problem is the company does not have a valid address
-- Good luck getting paid then. They're probably defunct. If the amount is small enough, you can try suing them in small claims court; you need a judgement before law enforcement can act, and they can't act without a valid address or person to go after. I agree with Kevin: contact your AG.
â Robert Harvey
May 11 '12 at 18:55
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Maybe you can find their address by doing awhois
on their domain name?
â FrustratedWithFormsDesigner
May 11 '12 at 19:13
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I worked for a particular start up sometime ago, but got a bad check in the mail after the work. Since it was a start-up, I decided to give some time before I demand my money. Problem is the company does not have a valid address and my lawyer says that is needed if he is to deliver the papers.
I know this company is still in business as the website is still up. How do I go about getting my money? Also, what rights do I have as an ex-employer to wages unpaid, in general?
freelancing payment
I worked for a particular start up sometime ago, but got a bad check in the mail after the work. Since it was a start-up, I decided to give some time before I demand my money. Problem is the company does not have a valid address and my lawyer says that is needed if he is to deliver the papers.
I know this company is still in business as the website is still up. How do I go about getting my money? Also, what rights do I have as an ex-employer to wages unpaid, in general?
freelancing payment
edited May 11 '12 at 18:58
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1
Did they sign any sort of contract or documentation, or did they just tell you face to face that they would pay you?
â Philip
May 11 '12 at 18:38
13
It is a crime to pass a bad check. Consider contacting your state attorney general's office.
â kevin cline
May 11 '12 at 18:39
2
I signed contracts in both cases. I am wondering if I can just walk into the local police station for the one.
â Rac Main
May 11 '12 at 18:50
4
Problem is the company does not have a valid address
-- Good luck getting paid then. They're probably defunct. If the amount is small enough, you can try suing them in small claims court; you need a judgement before law enforcement can act, and they can't act without a valid address or person to go after. I agree with Kevin: contact your AG.
â Robert Harvey
May 11 '12 at 18:55
4
Maybe you can find their address by doing awhois
on their domain name?
â FrustratedWithFormsDesigner
May 11 '12 at 19:13
 |Â
show 10 more comments
1
Did they sign any sort of contract or documentation, or did they just tell you face to face that they would pay you?
â Philip
May 11 '12 at 18:38
13
It is a crime to pass a bad check. Consider contacting your state attorney general's office.
â kevin cline
May 11 '12 at 18:39
2
I signed contracts in both cases. I am wondering if I can just walk into the local police station for the one.
â Rac Main
May 11 '12 at 18:50
4
Problem is the company does not have a valid address
-- Good luck getting paid then. They're probably defunct. If the amount is small enough, you can try suing them in small claims court; you need a judgement before law enforcement can act, and they can't act without a valid address or person to go after. I agree with Kevin: contact your AG.
â Robert Harvey
May 11 '12 at 18:55
4
Maybe you can find their address by doing awhois
on their domain name?
â FrustratedWithFormsDesigner
May 11 '12 at 19:13
1
1
Did they sign any sort of contract or documentation, or did they just tell you face to face that they would pay you?
â Philip
May 11 '12 at 18:38
Did they sign any sort of contract or documentation, or did they just tell you face to face that they would pay you?
â Philip
May 11 '12 at 18:38
13
13
It is a crime to pass a bad check. Consider contacting your state attorney general's office.
â kevin cline
May 11 '12 at 18:39
It is a crime to pass a bad check. Consider contacting your state attorney general's office.
â kevin cline
May 11 '12 at 18:39
2
2
I signed contracts in both cases. I am wondering if I can just walk into the local police station for the one.
â Rac Main
May 11 '12 at 18:50
I signed contracts in both cases. I am wondering if I can just walk into the local police station for the one.
â Rac Main
May 11 '12 at 18:50
4
4
Problem is the company does not have a valid address
-- Good luck getting paid then. They're probably defunct. If the amount is small enough, you can try suing them in small claims court; you need a judgement before law enforcement can act, and they can't act without a valid address or person to go after. I agree with Kevin: contact your AG.â Robert Harvey
May 11 '12 at 18:55
Problem is the company does not have a valid address
-- Good luck getting paid then. They're probably defunct. If the amount is small enough, you can try suing them in small claims court; you need a judgement before law enforcement can act, and they can't act without a valid address or person to go after. I agree with Kevin: contact your AG.â Robert Harvey
May 11 '12 at 18:55
4
4
Maybe you can find their address by doing a
whois
on their domain name?â FrustratedWithFormsDesigner
May 11 '12 at 19:13
Maybe you can find their address by doing a
whois
on their domain name?â FrustratedWithFormsDesigner
May 11 '12 at 19:13
 |Â
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Since they still have a website up, you can try to lookup an address for them through their domain registry. For example, this whois query gives contact info, including street addresses for stackexchange. (Note, that query is through their registrar, which I found through a less informative query.)
Also, you might try tracking down addresses of individual people associated with the company.
Talk to your lawyer and see what he can use.
In some countries, doing this for something involving lawsuits without an approval (CNIL in my country) is illegal. There's also a recent known case (still in my country) of a famous person which fell a lawsuit after he got without approval the location of an individual from his IP address.
â user2284570
Nov 21 '14 at 16:01
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In Illinois, the "official" way to find the "official" address of a business appears to depend how the business was organized. That is, the business could just be someone operating under an assumed name, or it could be a corporation, or it could be a limited liability company, etc.
For an assumed name, the name and address must be registered with the county. See (805 ILCS 405/) Assumed Business Name Act.
A corporation must have a registered office in the state. See (805 ILCS 5/) Business Corporation Act of 1983.
The laws pertaining to other business organizations appear similar, and it looks like you can find a whole list of them in the Illinois Compiled Statutes. The link lists the laws pertaining to the various business organizations in about as clean a format as I have seen.
Now, it appears that the Illinois Secretary of State has a page allowing you to search for information about a corporation or LLC. However, since assumed names are just registered with the county in Illinois, you would have to find the county administration offices to get that information.
Finally, if the business is in violation of the registered address laws, you may have to discuss with a (perhaps different) lawyer how to serve them. In Minnesota, it is permissible to serve process on the Secretary of State for certain similar circumstances, but I do not know whether such a mechanism exists in Illinois.
Thanks. That website definitely gave me some assurance that my cause is not lost. I was thinking for a minute there that the story of the company being a registered corporation may have been made up.
â Rac Main
May 11 '12 at 22:22
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If you still have the cheque, go in to the cheque-issuing bank (particularly when you'd expect them to have money in their account) and ask the teller to see if the cheque can be cashed. They will tell you. Once it can, cash it and you're paid. Uncommonly known fact.
I only have a copy of the check.
â Rac Main
May 11 '12 at 19:27
@RacMain what happened to the original check?
â Rarity
May 12 '12 at 0:31
Well, I deposited it, and was never able to get it back even though it bounced. Am I supposed to be able to get it back or something? I have a copy of the check though.
â Rac Main
May 12 '12 at 4:00
1
If the check bounced, it should have been returned to you, stamped "INSUFFICIENT FUNDS". When it bounced, it became physical evidence of a crime. Talk to your bank.
â John R. Strohm
May 14 '12 at 8:53
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Since they still have a website up, you can try to lookup an address for them through their domain registry. For example, this whois query gives contact info, including street addresses for stackexchange. (Note, that query is through their registrar, which I found through a less informative query.)
Also, you might try tracking down addresses of individual people associated with the company.
Talk to your lawyer and see what he can use.
In some countries, doing this for something involving lawsuits without an approval (CNIL in my country) is illegal. There's also a recent known case (still in my country) of a famous person which fell a lawsuit after he got without approval the location of an individual from his IP address.
â user2284570
Nov 21 '14 at 16:01
add a comment |Â
up vote
6
down vote
Since they still have a website up, you can try to lookup an address for them through their domain registry. For example, this whois query gives contact info, including street addresses for stackexchange. (Note, that query is through their registrar, which I found through a less informative query.)
Also, you might try tracking down addresses of individual people associated with the company.
Talk to your lawyer and see what he can use.
In some countries, doing this for something involving lawsuits without an approval (CNIL in my country) is illegal. There's also a recent known case (still in my country) of a famous person which fell a lawsuit after he got without approval the location of an individual from his IP address.
â user2284570
Nov 21 '14 at 16:01
add a comment |Â
up vote
6
down vote
up vote
6
down vote
Since they still have a website up, you can try to lookup an address for them through their domain registry. For example, this whois query gives contact info, including street addresses for stackexchange. (Note, that query is through their registrar, which I found through a less informative query.)
Also, you might try tracking down addresses of individual people associated with the company.
Talk to your lawyer and see what he can use.
Since they still have a website up, you can try to lookup an address for them through their domain registry. For example, this whois query gives contact info, including street addresses for stackexchange. (Note, that query is through their registrar, which I found through a less informative query.)
Also, you might try tracking down addresses of individual people associated with the company.
Talk to your lawyer and see what he can use.
answered May 11 '12 at 19:33
JGWeissman
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In some countries, doing this for something involving lawsuits without an approval (CNIL in my country) is illegal. There's also a recent known case (still in my country) of a famous person which fell a lawsuit after he got without approval the location of an individual from his IP address.
â user2284570
Nov 21 '14 at 16:01
add a comment |Â
In some countries, doing this for something involving lawsuits without an approval (CNIL in my country) is illegal. There's also a recent known case (still in my country) of a famous person which fell a lawsuit after he got without approval the location of an individual from his IP address.
â user2284570
Nov 21 '14 at 16:01
In some countries, doing this for something involving lawsuits without an approval (CNIL in my country) is illegal. There's also a recent known case (still in my country) of a famous person which fell a lawsuit after he got without approval the location of an individual from his IP address.
â user2284570
Nov 21 '14 at 16:01
In some countries, doing this for something involving lawsuits without an approval (CNIL in my country) is illegal. There's also a recent known case (still in my country) of a famous person which fell a lawsuit after he got without approval the location of an individual from his IP address.
â user2284570
Nov 21 '14 at 16:01
add a comment |Â
up vote
4
down vote
In Illinois, the "official" way to find the "official" address of a business appears to depend how the business was organized. That is, the business could just be someone operating under an assumed name, or it could be a corporation, or it could be a limited liability company, etc.
For an assumed name, the name and address must be registered with the county. See (805 ILCS 405/) Assumed Business Name Act.
A corporation must have a registered office in the state. See (805 ILCS 5/) Business Corporation Act of 1983.
The laws pertaining to other business organizations appear similar, and it looks like you can find a whole list of them in the Illinois Compiled Statutes. The link lists the laws pertaining to the various business organizations in about as clean a format as I have seen.
Now, it appears that the Illinois Secretary of State has a page allowing you to search for information about a corporation or LLC. However, since assumed names are just registered with the county in Illinois, you would have to find the county administration offices to get that information.
Finally, if the business is in violation of the registered address laws, you may have to discuss with a (perhaps different) lawyer how to serve them. In Minnesota, it is permissible to serve process on the Secretary of State for certain similar circumstances, but I do not know whether such a mechanism exists in Illinois.
Thanks. That website definitely gave me some assurance that my cause is not lost. I was thinking for a minute there that the story of the company being a registered corporation may have been made up.
â Rac Main
May 11 '12 at 22:22
add a comment |Â
up vote
4
down vote
In Illinois, the "official" way to find the "official" address of a business appears to depend how the business was organized. That is, the business could just be someone operating under an assumed name, or it could be a corporation, or it could be a limited liability company, etc.
For an assumed name, the name and address must be registered with the county. See (805 ILCS 405/) Assumed Business Name Act.
A corporation must have a registered office in the state. See (805 ILCS 5/) Business Corporation Act of 1983.
The laws pertaining to other business organizations appear similar, and it looks like you can find a whole list of them in the Illinois Compiled Statutes. The link lists the laws pertaining to the various business organizations in about as clean a format as I have seen.
Now, it appears that the Illinois Secretary of State has a page allowing you to search for information about a corporation or LLC. However, since assumed names are just registered with the county in Illinois, you would have to find the county administration offices to get that information.
Finally, if the business is in violation of the registered address laws, you may have to discuss with a (perhaps different) lawyer how to serve them. In Minnesota, it is permissible to serve process on the Secretary of State for certain similar circumstances, but I do not know whether such a mechanism exists in Illinois.
Thanks. That website definitely gave me some assurance that my cause is not lost. I was thinking for a minute there that the story of the company being a registered corporation may have been made up.
â Rac Main
May 11 '12 at 22:22
add a comment |Â
up vote
4
down vote
up vote
4
down vote
In Illinois, the "official" way to find the "official" address of a business appears to depend how the business was organized. That is, the business could just be someone operating under an assumed name, or it could be a corporation, or it could be a limited liability company, etc.
For an assumed name, the name and address must be registered with the county. See (805 ILCS 405/) Assumed Business Name Act.
A corporation must have a registered office in the state. See (805 ILCS 5/) Business Corporation Act of 1983.
The laws pertaining to other business organizations appear similar, and it looks like you can find a whole list of them in the Illinois Compiled Statutes. The link lists the laws pertaining to the various business organizations in about as clean a format as I have seen.
Now, it appears that the Illinois Secretary of State has a page allowing you to search for information about a corporation or LLC. However, since assumed names are just registered with the county in Illinois, you would have to find the county administration offices to get that information.
Finally, if the business is in violation of the registered address laws, you may have to discuss with a (perhaps different) lawyer how to serve them. In Minnesota, it is permissible to serve process on the Secretary of State for certain similar circumstances, but I do not know whether such a mechanism exists in Illinois.
In Illinois, the "official" way to find the "official" address of a business appears to depend how the business was organized. That is, the business could just be someone operating under an assumed name, or it could be a corporation, or it could be a limited liability company, etc.
For an assumed name, the name and address must be registered with the county. See (805 ILCS 405/) Assumed Business Name Act.
A corporation must have a registered office in the state. See (805 ILCS 5/) Business Corporation Act of 1983.
The laws pertaining to other business organizations appear similar, and it looks like you can find a whole list of them in the Illinois Compiled Statutes. The link lists the laws pertaining to the various business organizations in about as clean a format as I have seen.
Now, it appears that the Illinois Secretary of State has a page allowing you to search for information about a corporation or LLC. However, since assumed names are just registered with the county in Illinois, you would have to find the county administration offices to get that information.
Finally, if the business is in violation of the registered address laws, you may have to discuss with a (perhaps different) lawyer how to serve them. In Minnesota, it is permissible to serve process on the Secretary of State for certain similar circumstances, but I do not know whether such a mechanism exists in Illinois.
answered May 11 '12 at 20:18
Andrew
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Thanks. That website definitely gave me some assurance that my cause is not lost. I was thinking for a minute there that the story of the company being a registered corporation may have been made up.
â Rac Main
May 11 '12 at 22:22
add a comment |Â
Thanks. That website definitely gave me some assurance that my cause is not lost. I was thinking for a minute there that the story of the company being a registered corporation may have been made up.
â Rac Main
May 11 '12 at 22:22
Thanks. That website definitely gave me some assurance that my cause is not lost. I was thinking for a minute there that the story of the company being a registered corporation may have been made up.
â Rac Main
May 11 '12 at 22:22
Thanks. That website definitely gave me some assurance that my cause is not lost. I was thinking for a minute there that the story of the company being a registered corporation may have been made up.
â Rac Main
May 11 '12 at 22:22
add a comment |Â
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If you still have the cheque, go in to the cheque-issuing bank (particularly when you'd expect them to have money in their account) and ask the teller to see if the cheque can be cashed. They will tell you. Once it can, cash it and you're paid. Uncommonly known fact.
I only have a copy of the check.
â Rac Main
May 11 '12 at 19:27
@RacMain what happened to the original check?
â Rarity
May 12 '12 at 0:31
Well, I deposited it, and was never able to get it back even though it bounced. Am I supposed to be able to get it back or something? I have a copy of the check though.
â Rac Main
May 12 '12 at 4:00
1
If the check bounced, it should have been returned to you, stamped "INSUFFICIENT FUNDS". When it bounced, it became physical evidence of a crime. Talk to your bank.
â John R. Strohm
May 14 '12 at 8:53
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
If you still have the cheque, go in to the cheque-issuing bank (particularly when you'd expect them to have money in their account) and ask the teller to see if the cheque can be cashed. They will tell you. Once it can, cash it and you're paid. Uncommonly known fact.
I only have a copy of the check.
â Rac Main
May 11 '12 at 19:27
@RacMain what happened to the original check?
â Rarity
May 12 '12 at 0:31
Well, I deposited it, and was never able to get it back even though it bounced. Am I supposed to be able to get it back or something? I have a copy of the check though.
â Rac Main
May 12 '12 at 4:00
1
If the check bounced, it should have been returned to you, stamped "INSUFFICIENT FUNDS". When it bounced, it became physical evidence of a crime. Talk to your bank.
â John R. Strohm
May 14 '12 at 8:53
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
up vote
0
down vote
If you still have the cheque, go in to the cheque-issuing bank (particularly when you'd expect them to have money in their account) and ask the teller to see if the cheque can be cashed. They will tell you. Once it can, cash it and you're paid. Uncommonly known fact.
If you still have the cheque, go in to the cheque-issuing bank (particularly when you'd expect them to have money in their account) and ask the teller to see if the cheque can be cashed. They will tell you. Once it can, cash it and you're paid. Uncommonly known fact.
edited May 11 '12 at 19:16
Rarity
4,37643457
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answered May 11 '12 at 19:11
Sassafras_wot
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I only have a copy of the check.
â Rac Main
May 11 '12 at 19:27
@RacMain what happened to the original check?
â Rarity
May 12 '12 at 0:31
Well, I deposited it, and was never able to get it back even though it bounced. Am I supposed to be able to get it back or something? I have a copy of the check though.
â Rac Main
May 12 '12 at 4:00
1
If the check bounced, it should have been returned to you, stamped "INSUFFICIENT FUNDS". When it bounced, it became physical evidence of a crime. Talk to your bank.
â John R. Strohm
May 14 '12 at 8:53
add a comment |Â
I only have a copy of the check.
â Rac Main
May 11 '12 at 19:27
@RacMain what happened to the original check?
â Rarity
May 12 '12 at 0:31
Well, I deposited it, and was never able to get it back even though it bounced. Am I supposed to be able to get it back or something? I have a copy of the check though.
â Rac Main
May 12 '12 at 4:00
1
If the check bounced, it should have been returned to you, stamped "INSUFFICIENT FUNDS". When it bounced, it became physical evidence of a crime. Talk to your bank.
â John R. Strohm
May 14 '12 at 8:53
I only have a copy of the check.
â Rac Main
May 11 '12 at 19:27
I only have a copy of the check.
â Rac Main
May 11 '12 at 19:27
@RacMain what happened to the original check?
â Rarity
May 12 '12 at 0:31
@RacMain what happened to the original check?
â Rarity
May 12 '12 at 0:31
Well, I deposited it, and was never able to get it back even though it bounced. Am I supposed to be able to get it back or something? I have a copy of the check though.
â Rac Main
May 12 '12 at 4:00
Well, I deposited it, and was never able to get it back even though it bounced. Am I supposed to be able to get it back or something? I have a copy of the check though.
â Rac Main
May 12 '12 at 4:00
1
1
If the check bounced, it should have been returned to you, stamped "INSUFFICIENT FUNDS". When it bounced, it became physical evidence of a crime. Talk to your bank.
â John R. Strohm
May 14 '12 at 8:53
If the check bounced, it should have been returned to you, stamped "INSUFFICIENT FUNDS". When it bounced, it became physical evidence of a crime. Talk to your bank.
â John R. Strohm
May 14 '12 at 8:53
add a comment |Â
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Did they sign any sort of contract or documentation, or did they just tell you face to face that they would pay you?
â Philip
May 11 '12 at 18:38
13
It is a crime to pass a bad check. Consider contacting your state attorney general's office.
â kevin cline
May 11 '12 at 18:39
2
I signed contracts in both cases. I am wondering if I can just walk into the local police station for the one.
â Rac Main
May 11 '12 at 18:50
4
Problem is the company does not have a valid address
-- Good luck getting paid then. They're probably defunct. If the amount is small enough, you can try suing them in small claims court; you need a judgement before law enforcement can act, and they can't act without a valid address or person to go after. I agree with Kevin: contact your AG.â Robert Harvey
May 11 '12 at 18:55
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Maybe you can find their address by doing a
whois
on their domain name?â FrustratedWithFormsDesigner
May 11 '12 at 19:13