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I am about to start my first job as a software developer in a well reputed company in Germany. I have heard plenty of times that one is not allowed to work overtime regularly unless its highly important. Even during my internship at another established company, my supervisor used to tell me that not only students but also employees cannot stay longer than 7 pm.
Why is it so? What if somebody (especially new employee like me) actually wants to put in extra hours to get going and gather pace quickly? How does it affect me or the management?
professionalism management new-job time-management germany
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I am about to start my first job as a software developer in a well reputed company in Germany. I have heard plenty of times that one is not allowed to work overtime regularly unless its highly important. Even during my internship at another established company, my supervisor used to tell me that not only students but also employees cannot stay longer than 7 pm.
Why is it so? What if somebody (especially new employee like me) actually wants to put in extra hours to get going and gather pace quickly? How does it affect me or the management?
professionalism management new-job time-management germany
asked May 14 '15 at 13:30
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Does this question provide the answers you need?
– Elysian Fields♦
May 14 '15 at 13:31
@enderland somehow yes, but not completely. What if I wish to sit long hours to grasp things quickly? I am new and want to add value to the company at the earliest.
– learner
May 14 '15 at 13:33
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I am about to start my first job as a software developer in a well reputed company in Germany. I have heard plenty of times that one is not allowed to work overtime regularly unless its highly important. Even during my internship at another established company, my supervisor used to tell me that not only students but also employees cannot stay longer than 7 pm.
Why is it so? What if somebody (especially new employee like me) actually wants to put in extra hours to get going and gather pace quickly? How does it affect me or the management?
professionalism management new-job time-management germany
asked May 14 '15 at 13:30
learner
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I am about to start my first job as a software developer in a well reputed company in Germany. I have heard plenty of times that one is not allowed to work overtime regularly unless its highly important. Even during my internship at another established company, my supervisor used to tell me that not only students but also employees cannot stay longer than 7 pm.
Why is it so? What if somebody (especially new employee like me) actually wants to put in extra hours to get going and gather pace quickly? How does it affect me or the management?
professionalism management new-job time-management germany
asked May 14 '15 at 13:30
learner
1,14621021
asked May 14 '15 at 13:30
learner
1,14621021
asked May 14 '15 at 13:30
learner
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asked May 14 '15 at 13:30
learner
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Does this question provide the answers you need?
– Elysian Fields♦
May 14 '15 at 13:31
@enderland somehow yes, but not completely. What if I wish to sit long hours to grasp things quickly? I am new and want to add value to the company at the earliest.
– learner
May 14 '15 at 13:33
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Does this question provide the answers you need?
– Elysian Fields♦
May 14 '15 at 13:31
@enderland somehow yes, but not completely. What if I wish to sit long hours to grasp things quickly? I am new and want to add value to the company at the earliest.
– learner
May 14 '15 at 13:33
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1
Does this question provide the answers you need?
– Elysian Fields♦
May 14 '15 at 13:31
Does this question provide the answers you need?
– Elysian Fields♦
May 14 '15 at 13:31
@enderland somehow yes, but not completely. What if I wish to sit long hours to grasp things quickly? I am new and want to add value to the company at the earliest.
– learner
May 14 '15 at 13:33
@enderland somehow yes, but not completely. What if I wish to sit long hours to grasp things quickly? I am new and want to add value to the company at the earliest.
– learner
May 14 '15 at 13:33
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Why is it so?
- Because we have rather strong unions.
- Because it makes no sense to burn out your employees.
- Because people make more mistakes and are less productive when they work long hours.
- Because if you work more, your company will have to pay you more (or give you paid time off), and since you are less productive in those extra hours, they don't think they'll get their money's worth.
What if somebody (especially new employee like me) actually wants to
put in extra hours to get going and gather pace quickly?
- In some companies and with some contracts, you can put in extra time (as long as you still stay under certain daily and weekly limits) for a couple of month and then either work less for a couple of month or get paid extra. Talk to your Manager or HR about this. Usually, management will only allow this if there is urgent need for you to work extra. Learning new topics doesn't count.
- However, you can always use your spare time to study the topics that come up at work.
Many companies will support you in that. For example, one of the companies I worked for would purchase books and cover exam fees if their employees wanted to study a topic and get a certificate for it. Talk to HR to find out what kind of "Weiterbildung" they offer. Keep in mind that they'll usually not start investing into new employees until after the probationary period.
How does it affect me or the management?
- As long as you make sure to come to an agreement with your manager and HR about your work times, and those times are within the legal boundaries, there's no need to worry.
answered May 14 '15 at 16:47
Sumyrda
395610
2
The legal foundation for these rules is the "Arbeitszeitgesetz" (work-time law) which puts a lot of limits on when and how long employees are allowed to work.
– Philipp
May 14 '15 at 17:27
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up vote
2
down vote
In addition to the strict employee protection laws in Germany (officially you are not allowed to work more than 10 hours a day) there are logistic reasons.
If you work longer than your colleagues, no one can check on you. That is especially important as you are new and no one knows if you can be trusted. Also, working overtime without a strong need may be a problem later. Imagine you get your first project and it gets stressing. Now you need to work extra hours. But if you already have many hours, you may not allowed by the company policy.
Policies regarding overtime are varying strongly between companies and departments. A good thing for you as the "new one" is to listen to your boss and copy the behavior of your colleagues.
answered May 14 '15 at 16:14
jwsc
1,781515
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
0
down vote
strong labor laws disallow workers from being 'forced' to work regardless if they are the ones who are doing the forcing or not. the only way to change this is through the ballot (good luck).
I recommend taking work home with you if the country you live in doesn't allow you to work longer than 8 hours per day. Whether this is actual work things (may be sensitive) or simply topics you can cover by independent study.
edited May 14 '15 at 16:47
RualStorge
9,5372231
answered May 14 '15 at 14:30
easymoden00b
1,038716
5
I'd omit the compete economically comment. The US and Japan are well known for long hours, and work following you home, etc. We've also done tons of research and are finding more and more working these hours has rather serious physical, psychological, and emotional health consequences. As such one would argue the US and Japan are more worried about their business's health, these other countries with strict hours, etc are more concerned about the overall health of their population. (a lot more involved here) The rest of your response is good and I've voted it up, but let's keep out politics.
– RualStorge
May 14 '15 at 16:46
3
And I don't have the impression European businesses are failing in comparison to American or Japanese. Japan is in serious economic problems, despite the crazy work ethic.
– Paul Hiemstra
May 15 '15 at 9:25
3
First of all the limit in Germany is 10 hours per day which should be sufficient, if the work load in the company is managed properly. Second there's plenty of study that after 8 hours your productivity is reduced drastically.
– Simon
May 15 '15 at 10:47
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3 Answers
3
active
oldest
votes
3 Answers
3
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
up vote
8
down vote
accepted
Why is it so?
- Because we have rather strong unions.
- Because it makes no sense to burn out your employees.
- Because people make more mistakes and are less productive when they work long hours.
- Because if you work more, your company will have to pay you more (or give you paid time off), and since you are less productive in those extra hours, they don't think they'll get their money's worth.
What if somebody (especially new employee like me) actually wants to
put in extra hours to get going and gather pace quickly?
- In some companies and with some contracts, you can put in extra time (as long as you still stay under certain daily and weekly limits) for a couple of month and then either work less for a couple of month or get paid extra. Talk to your Manager or HR about this. Usually, management will only allow this if there is urgent need for you to work extra. Learning new topics doesn't count.
- However, you can always use your spare time to study the topics that come up at work.
Many companies will support you in that. For example, one of the companies I worked for would purchase books and cover exam fees if their employees wanted to study a topic and get a certificate for it. Talk to HR to find out what kind of "Weiterbildung" they offer. Keep in mind that they'll usually not start investing into new employees until after the probationary period.
How does it affect me or the management?
- As long as you make sure to come to an agreement with your manager and HR about your work times, and those times are within the legal boundaries, there's no need to worry.
answered May 14 '15 at 16:47
Sumyrda
395610
2
The legal foundation for these rules is the "Arbeitszeitgesetz" (work-time law) which puts a lot of limits on when and how long employees are allowed to work.
– Philipp
May 14 '15 at 17:27
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
8
down vote
accepted
Why is it so?
- Because we have rather strong unions.
- Because it makes no sense to burn out your employees.
- Because people make more mistakes and are less productive when they work long hours.
- Because if you work more, your company will have to pay you more (or give you paid time off), and since you are less productive in those extra hours, they don't think they'll get their money's worth.
What if somebody (especially new employee like me) actually wants to
put in extra hours to get going and gather pace quickly?
- In some companies and with some contracts, you can put in extra time (as long as you still stay under certain daily and weekly limits) for a couple of month and then either work less for a couple of month or get paid extra. Talk to your Manager or HR about this. Usually, management will only allow this if there is urgent need for you to work extra. Learning new topics doesn't count.
- However, you can always use your spare time to study the topics that come up at work.
Many companies will support you in that. For example, one of the companies I worked for would purchase books and cover exam fees if their employees wanted to study a topic and get a certificate for it. Talk to HR to find out what kind of "Weiterbildung" they offer. Keep in mind that they'll usually not start investing into new employees until after the probationary period.
How does it affect me or the management?
- As long as you make sure to come to an agreement with your manager and HR about your work times, and those times are within the legal boundaries, there's no need to worry.
answered May 14 '15 at 16:47
Sumyrda
395610
2
The legal foundation for these rules is the "Arbeitszeitgesetz" (work-time law) which puts a lot of limits on when and how long employees are allowed to work.
– Philipp
May 14 '15 at 17:27
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
8
down vote
accepted
up vote
8
down vote
accepted
Why is it so?
- Because we have rather strong unions.
- Because it makes no sense to burn out your employees.
- Because people make more mistakes and are less productive when they work long hours.
- Because if you work more, your company will have to pay you more (or give you paid time off), and since you are less productive in those extra hours, they don't think they'll get their money's worth.
What if somebody (especially new employee like me) actually wants to
put in extra hours to get going and gather pace quickly?
- In some companies and with some contracts, you can put in extra time (as long as you still stay under certain daily and weekly limits) for a couple of month and then either work less for a couple of month or get paid extra. Talk to your Manager or HR about this. Usually, management will only allow this if there is urgent need for you to work extra. Learning new topics doesn't count.
- However, you can always use your spare time to study the topics that come up at work.
Many companies will support you in that. For example, one of the companies I worked for would purchase books and cover exam fees if their employees wanted to study a topic and get a certificate for it. Talk to HR to find out what kind of "Weiterbildung" they offer. Keep in mind that they'll usually not start investing into new employees until after the probationary period.
How does it affect me or the management?
- As long as you make sure to come to an agreement with your manager and HR about your work times, and those times are within the legal boundaries, there's no need to worry.
answered May 14 '15 at 16:47
Sumyrda
395610
Why is it so?
- Because we have rather strong unions.
- Because it makes no sense to burn out your employees.
- Because people make more mistakes and are less productive when they work long hours.
- Because if you work more, your company will have to pay you more (or give you paid time off), and since you are less productive in those extra hours, they don't think they'll get their money's worth.
What if somebody (especially new employee like me) actually wants to
put in extra hours to get going and gather pace quickly?
- In some companies and with some contracts, you can put in extra time (as long as you still stay under certain daily and weekly limits) for a couple of month and then either work less for a couple of month or get paid extra. Talk to your Manager or HR about this. Usually, management will only allow this if there is urgent need for you to work extra. Learning new topics doesn't count.
- However, you can always use your spare time to study the topics that come up at work.
Many companies will support you in that. For example, one of the companies I worked for would purchase books and cover exam fees if their employees wanted to study a topic and get a certificate for it. Talk to HR to find out what kind of "Weiterbildung" they offer. Keep in mind that they'll usually not start investing into new employees until after the probationary period.
How does it affect me or the management?
- As long as you make sure to come to an agreement with your manager and HR about your work times, and those times are within the legal boundaries, there's no need to worry.
answered May 14 '15 at 16:47
Sumyrda
395610
answered May 14 '15 at 16:47
Sumyrda
395610
answered May 14 '15 at 16:47
Sumyrda
395610
answered May 14 '15 at 16:47
Sumyrda
395610
395610
2
The legal foundation for these rules is the "Arbeitszeitgesetz" (work-time law) which puts a lot of limits on when and how long employees are allowed to work.
– Philipp
May 14 '15 at 17:27
suggest improvements |Â
2
The legal foundation for these rules is the "Arbeitszeitgesetz" (work-time law) which puts a lot of limits on when and how long employees are allowed to work.
– Philipp
May 14 '15 at 17:27
2
2
The legal foundation for these rules is the "Arbeitszeitgesetz" (work-time law) which puts a lot of limits on when and how long employees are allowed to work.
– Philipp
May 14 '15 at 17:27
The legal foundation for these rules is the "Arbeitszeitgesetz" (work-time law) which puts a lot of limits on when and how long employees are allowed to work.
– Philipp
May 14 '15 at 17:27
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
2
down vote
In addition to the strict employee protection laws in Germany (officially you are not allowed to work more than 10 hours a day) there are logistic reasons.
If you work longer than your colleagues, no one can check on you. That is especially important as you are new and no one knows if you can be trusted. Also, working overtime without a strong need may be a problem later. Imagine you get your first project and it gets stressing. Now you need to work extra hours. But if you already have many hours, you may not allowed by the company policy.
Policies regarding overtime are varying strongly between companies and departments. A good thing for you as the "new one" is to listen to your boss and copy the behavior of your colleagues.
answered May 14 '15 at 16:14
jwsc
1,781515
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
2
down vote
In addition to the strict employee protection laws in Germany (officially you are not allowed to work more than 10 hours a day) there are logistic reasons.
If you work longer than your colleagues, no one can check on you. That is especially important as you are new and no one knows if you can be trusted. Also, working overtime without a strong need may be a problem later. Imagine you get your first project and it gets stressing. Now you need to work extra hours. But if you already have many hours, you may not allowed by the company policy.
Policies regarding overtime are varying strongly between companies and departments. A good thing for you as the "new one" is to listen to your boss and copy the behavior of your colleagues.
answered May 14 '15 at 16:14
jwsc
1,781515
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
2
down vote
up vote
2
down vote
In addition to the strict employee protection laws in Germany (officially you are not allowed to work more than 10 hours a day) there are logistic reasons.
If you work longer than your colleagues, no one can check on you. That is especially important as you are new and no one knows if you can be trusted. Also, working overtime without a strong need may be a problem later. Imagine you get your first project and it gets stressing. Now you need to work extra hours. But if you already have many hours, you may not allowed by the company policy.
Policies regarding overtime are varying strongly between companies and departments. A good thing for you as the "new one" is to listen to your boss and copy the behavior of your colleagues.
answered May 14 '15 at 16:14
jwsc
1,781515
In addition to the strict employee protection laws in Germany (officially you are not allowed to work more than 10 hours a day) there are logistic reasons.
If you work longer than your colleagues, no one can check on you. That is especially important as you are new and no one knows if you can be trusted. Also, working overtime without a strong need may be a problem later. Imagine you get your first project and it gets stressing. Now you need to work extra hours. But if you already have many hours, you may not allowed by the company policy.
Policies regarding overtime are varying strongly between companies and departments. A good thing for you as the "new one" is to listen to your boss and copy the behavior of your colleagues.
answered May 14 '15 at 16:14
jwsc
1,781515
answered May 14 '15 at 16:14
jwsc
1,781515
answered May 14 '15 at 16:14
jwsc
1,781515
answered May 14 '15 at 16:14
jwsc
1,781515
1,781515
suggest improvements |Â
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
0
down vote
strong labor laws disallow workers from being 'forced' to work regardless if they are the ones who are doing the forcing or not. the only way to change this is through the ballot (good luck).
I recommend taking work home with you if the country you live in doesn't allow you to work longer than 8 hours per day. Whether this is actual work things (may be sensitive) or simply topics you can cover by independent study.
edited May 14 '15 at 16:47
RualStorge
9,5372231
answered May 14 '15 at 14:30
easymoden00b
1,038716
5
I'd omit the compete economically comment. The US and Japan are well known for long hours, and work following you home, etc. We've also done tons of research and are finding more and more working these hours has rather serious physical, psychological, and emotional health consequences. As such one would argue the US and Japan are more worried about their business's health, these other countries with strict hours, etc are more concerned about the overall health of their population. (a lot more involved here) The rest of your response is good and I've voted it up, but let's keep out politics.
– RualStorge
May 14 '15 at 16:46
3
And I don't have the impression European businesses are failing in comparison to American or Japanese. Japan is in serious economic problems, despite the crazy work ethic.
– Paul Hiemstra
May 15 '15 at 9:25
3
First of all the limit in Germany is 10 hours per day which should be sufficient, if the work load in the company is managed properly. Second there's plenty of study that after 8 hours your productivity is reduced drastically.
– Simon
May 15 '15 at 10:47
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
0
down vote
strong labor laws disallow workers from being 'forced' to work regardless if they are the ones who are doing the forcing or not. the only way to change this is through the ballot (good luck).
I recommend taking work home with you if the country you live in doesn't allow you to work longer than 8 hours per day. Whether this is actual work things (may be sensitive) or simply topics you can cover by independent study.
edited May 14 '15 at 16:47
RualStorge
9,5372231
answered May 14 '15 at 14:30
easymoden00b
1,038716
5
I'd omit the compete economically comment. The US and Japan are well known for long hours, and work following you home, etc. We've also done tons of research and are finding more and more working these hours has rather serious physical, psychological, and emotional health consequences. As such one would argue the US and Japan are more worried about their business's health, these other countries with strict hours, etc are more concerned about the overall health of their population. (a lot more involved here) The rest of your response is good and I've voted it up, but let's keep out politics.
– RualStorge
May 14 '15 at 16:46
3
And I don't have the impression European businesses are failing in comparison to American or Japanese. Japan is in serious economic problems, despite the crazy work ethic.
– Paul Hiemstra
May 15 '15 at 9:25
3
First of all the limit in Germany is 10 hours per day which should be sufficient, if the work load in the company is managed properly. Second there's plenty of study that after 8 hours your productivity is reduced drastically.
– Simon
May 15 '15 at 10:47
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
0
down vote
up vote
0
down vote
strong labor laws disallow workers from being 'forced' to work regardless if they are the ones who are doing the forcing or not. the only way to change this is through the ballot (good luck).
I recommend taking work home with you if the country you live in doesn't allow you to work longer than 8 hours per day. Whether this is actual work things (may be sensitive) or simply topics you can cover by independent study.
edited May 14 '15 at 16:47
RualStorge
9,5372231
answered May 14 '15 at 14:30
easymoden00b
1,038716
strong labor laws disallow workers from being 'forced' to work regardless if they are the ones who are doing the forcing or not. the only way to change this is through the ballot (good luck).
I recommend taking work home with you if the country you live in doesn't allow you to work longer than 8 hours per day. Whether this is actual work things (may be sensitive) or simply topics you can cover by independent study.
edited May 14 '15 at 16:47
RualStorge
9,5372231
answered May 14 '15 at 14:30
easymoden00b
1,038716
edited May 14 '15 at 16:47
RualStorge
9,5372231
edited May 14 '15 at 16:47
RualStorge
9,5372231
edited May 14 '15 at 16:47
RualStorge
9,5372231
9,5372231
answered May 14 '15 at 14:30
easymoden00b
1,038716
answered May 14 '15 at 14:30
easymoden00b
1,038716
answered May 14 '15 at 14:30
easymoden00b
1,038716
1,038716
5
I'd omit the compete economically comment. The US and Japan are well known for long hours, and work following you home, etc. We've also done tons of research and are finding more and more working these hours has rather serious physical, psychological, and emotional health consequences. As such one would argue the US and Japan are more worried about their business's health, these other countries with strict hours, etc are more concerned about the overall health of their population. (a lot more involved here) The rest of your response is good and I've voted it up, but let's keep out politics.
– RualStorge
May 14 '15 at 16:46
3
And I don't have the impression European businesses are failing in comparison to American or Japanese. Japan is in serious economic problems, despite the crazy work ethic.
– Paul Hiemstra
May 15 '15 at 9:25
3
First of all the limit in Germany is 10 hours per day which should be sufficient, if the work load in the company is managed properly. Second there's plenty of study that after 8 hours your productivity is reduced drastically.
– Simon
May 15 '15 at 10:47
suggest improvements |Â
5
I'd omit the compete economically comment. The US and Japan are well known for long hours, and work following you home, etc. We've also done tons of research and are finding more and more working these hours has rather serious physical, psychological, and emotional health consequences. As such one would argue the US and Japan are more worried about their business's health, these other countries with strict hours, etc are more concerned about the overall health of their population. (a lot more involved here) The rest of your response is good and I've voted it up, but let's keep out politics.
– RualStorge
May 14 '15 at 16:46
3
And I don't have the impression European businesses are failing in comparison to American or Japanese. Japan is in serious economic problems, despite the crazy work ethic.
– Paul Hiemstra
May 15 '15 at 9:25
3
First of all the limit in Germany is 10 hours per day which should be sufficient, if the work load in the company is managed properly. Second there's plenty of study that after 8 hours your productivity is reduced drastically.
– Simon
May 15 '15 at 10:47
5
5
I'd omit the compete economically comment. The US and Japan are well known for long hours, and work following you home, etc. We've also done tons of research and are finding more and more working these hours has rather serious physical, psychological, and emotional health consequences. As such one would argue the US and Japan are more worried about their business's health, these other countries with strict hours, etc are more concerned about the overall health of their population. (a lot more involved here) The rest of your response is good and I've voted it up, but let's keep out politics.
– RualStorge
May 14 '15 at 16:46
I'd omit the compete economically comment. The US and Japan are well known for long hours, and work following you home, etc. We've also done tons of research and are finding more and more working these hours has rather serious physical, psychological, and emotional health consequences. As such one would argue the US and Japan are more worried about their business's health, these other countries with strict hours, etc are more concerned about the overall health of their population. (a lot more involved here) The rest of your response is good and I've voted it up, but let's keep out politics.
– RualStorge
May 14 '15 at 16:46
3
3
And I don't have the impression European businesses are failing in comparison to American or Japanese. Japan is in serious economic problems, despite the crazy work ethic.
– Paul Hiemstra
May 15 '15 at 9:25
And I don't have the impression European businesses are failing in comparison to American or Japanese. Japan is in serious economic problems, despite the crazy work ethic.
– Paul Hiemstra
May 15 '15 at 9:25
3
3
First of all the limit in Germany is 10 hours per day which should be sufficient, if the work load in the company is managed properly. Second there's plenty of study that after 8 hours your productivity is reduced drastically.
– Simon
May 15 '15 at 10:47
First of all the limit in Germany is 10 hours per day which should be sufficient, if the work load in the company is managed properly. Second there's plenty of study that after 8 hours your productivity is reduced drastically.
– Simon
May 15 '15 at 10:47
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Does this question provide the answers you need?
– Elysian Fields♦
May 14 '15 at 13:31
@enderland somehow yes, but not completely. What if I wish to sit long hours to grasp things quickly? I am new and want to add value to the company at the earliest.
– learner
May 14 '15 at 13:33