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Average salary of a software engineer:
- In India : 395k INR = €5.53k.
- In Germany : 3340.8k INR = €46.4k
What salary figure shall a developer from India quote to a German (foreign) company with relocation?
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Average salary of a software engineer:
- In India : 395k INR = €5.53k.
- In Germany : 3340.8k INR = €46.4k
What salary figure shall a developer from India quote to a German (foreign) company with relocation?
salary new-job relocation international
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Note that the second is a "Senior" in the title so average may not be so average after all. ;)
– JB King
Dec 22 '15 at 16:38
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It depends - are you going to relocate to Germany? then get a German salary - if you are staying in India, while there is nothing preventing you from quoting the higher salary, the cost of living is usually the guideline for determining such things, and also what other developers are charging
– user2813274
Dec 22 '15 at 16:39
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payscale.com/research/DE/Job=Software_Engineer/Salary is the link I put in which is for a "Software Engineer" while you had payscale.com/research/DE/Job=Senior_Software_Engineer/Salary which is for a "Senior Software Engineer" where there is a major difference in following those links.
– JB King
Dec 22 '15 at 17:31
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@JBKing Yeah my bad :) You had pointed that already.
– user12374
Dec 22 '15 at 17:55
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Relocation is expensive. Why pay that and the going rate in Germany when they can get a German with the going rate in Germany - no relocation needed? You will need to quote lower, but it should be relative to the local pay scale.
– Jim
Dec 23 '15 at 6:10
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Average salary of a software engineer:
- In India : 395k INR = €5.53k.
- In Germany : 3340.8k INR = €46.4k
What salary figure shall a developer from India quote to a German (foreign) company with relocation?
salary new-job relocation international
Average salary of a software engineer:
- In India : 395k INR = €5.53k.
- In Germany : 3340.8k INR = €46.4k
What salary figure shall a developer from India quote to a German (foreign) company with relocation?
salary new-job relocation international
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asked Dec 22 '15 at 16:33
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Note that the second is a "Senior" in the title so average may not be so average after all. ;)
– JB King
Dec 22 '15 at 16:38
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It depends - are you going to relocate to Germany? then get a German salary - if you are staying in India, while there is nothing preventing you from quoting the higher salary, the cost of living is usually the guideline for determining such things, and also what other developers are charging
– user2813274
Dec 22 '15 at 16:39
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payscale.com/research/DE/Job=Software_Engineer/Salary is the link I put in which is for a "Software Engineer" while you had payscale.com/research/DE/Job=Senior_Software_Engineer/Salary which is for a "Senior Software Engineer" where there is a major difference in following those links.
– JB King
Dec 22 '15 at 17:31
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@JBKing Yeah my bad :) You had pointed that already.
– user12374
Dec 22 '15 at 17:55
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Relocation is expensive. Why pay that and the going rate in Germany when they can get a German with the going rate in Germany - no relocation needed? You will need to quote lower, but it should be relative to the local pay scale.
– Jim
Dec 23 '15 at 6:10
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Note that the second is a "Senior" in the title so average may not be so average after all. ;)
– JB King
Dec 22 '15 at 16:38
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It depends - are you going to relocate to Germany? then get a German salary - if you are staying in India, while there is nothing preventing you from quoting the higher salary, the cost of living is usually the guideline for determining such things, and also what other developers are charging
– user2813274
Dec 22 '15 at 16:39
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payscale.com/research/DE/Job=Software_Engineer/Salary is the link I put in which is for a "Software Engineer" while you had payscale.com/research/DE/Job=Senior_Software_Engineer/Salary which is for a "Senior Software Engineer" where there is a major difference in following those links.
– JB King
Dec 22 '15 at 17:31
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@JBKing Yeah my bad :) You had pointed that already.
– user12374
Dec 22 '15 at 17:55
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Relocation is expensive. Why pay that and the going rate in Germany when they can get a German with the going rate in Germany - no relocation needed? You will need to quote lower, but it should be relative to the local pay scale.
– Jim
Dec 23 '15 at 6:10
1
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Note that the second is a "Senior" in the title so average may not be so average after all. ;)
– JB King
Dec 22 '15 at 16:38
Note that the second is a "Senior" in the title so average may not be so average after all. ;)
– JB King
Dec 22 '15 at 16:38
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It depends - are you going to relocate to Germany? then get a German salary - if you are staying in India, while there is nothing preventing you from quoting the higher salary, the cost of living is usually the guideline for determining such things, and also what other developers are charging
– user2813274
Dec 22 '15 at 16:39
It depends - are you going to relocate to Germany? then get a German salary - if you are staying in India, while there is nothing preventing you from quoting the higher salary, the cost of living is usually the guideline for determining such things, and also what other developers are charging
– user2813274
Dec 22 '15 at 16:39
1
1
payscale.com/research/DE/Job=Software_Engineer/Salary is the link I put in which is for a "Software Engineer" while you had payscale.com/research/DE/Job=Senior_Software_Engineer/Salary which is for a "Senior Software Engineer" where there is a major difference in following those links.
– JB King
Dec 22 '15 at 17:31
payscale.com/research/DE/Job=Software_Engineer/Salary is the link I put in which is for a "Software Engineer" while you had payscale.com/research/DE/Job=Senior_Software_Engineer/Salary which is for a "Senior Software Engineer" where there is a major difference in following those links.
– JB King
Dec 22 '15 at 17:31
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@JBKing Yeah my bad :) You had pointed that already.
– user12374
Dec 22 '15 at 17:55
@JBKing Yeah my bad :) You had pointed that already.
– user12374
Dec 22 '15 at 17:55
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Relocation is expensive. Why pay that and the going rate in Germany when they can get a German with the going rate in Germany - no relocation needed? You will need to quote lower, but it should be relative to the local pay scale.
– Jim
Dec 23 '15 at 6:10
Relocation is expensive. Why pay that and the going rate in Germany when they can get a German with the going rate in Germany - no relocation needed? You will need to quote lower, but it should be relative to the local pay scale.
– Jim
Dec 23 '15 at 6:10
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The average salary range in 2015 was 40K to 60K depending on region. Personally I'd say that's for experienced people, I surely did not start out on €40K.
Please note that for everyone above that, to be an average, someone has to be below it. As a software developer you won't get stinkin' rich, but even with a below average salary, you can easily finance a rented apartment, car, family and holiday trips. Being paid below average is not the end of the world, you can live a pretty happy life with the wages of a software engineer even below average.
German salaries vary a lot because a good part of the salary is used to cover the cost of living. For example, for €40K one can easily and comfortably live in Hannover (capital of a federal state) while making 40K in Munich (capital of another federal state) probably means you have to sleep under a bridge or live out of town and commute for 1-2 hours.
As you relocate here, I would expect the company to offer you the normal salary they offer all their employees. If it's a large company, they may have something called a "Tarifvertrag", a contract between their union and the company what to pay for which job. If they do have one, that's great on one hand because they will not be allowed to pay you less and you can be relatively sure that the colleagues that do the same job get paid the same. On the other hand, it's harder to get more, too, because that's bureaucratic overhead.
Your best bet probably is to tell them that you tried to get information about German salary structures but the range is so wide that you'd rather hear their offer first. If you have to quote, I'd not just quote a number, but also include how you got there. That makes it easier on their part to react to it. For example, if you said "50k" and they cannot pay 50K, that's bad. If you say "People told me 50K is the average for your region", then it's easier for them to jump in and reply with "that's correct, we pay a bit below average but we offer those other benefits...".
answered Dec 22 '15 at 18:46
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Your suggestion is most logical. So the salary quote shall be determined upon costs of accommodation + food. Not to include any EMIs etc? What would you have quoted if you're me?
– user12374
Dec 23 '15 at 12:35
That's hard to say because I'm not you and I don't know you. I think it's easier to change jobs once you are in Germany, so personally, I'd stay on the low side of the range and if that turns out to be not enough for your taste, you can change inside Germany later. But I know others who'd run the risk and go for the higher numbers.
– nvoigt
Dec 23 '15 at 13:00
Thanks a lot to everyone for sharing their wisdom :). I'm accepting this one as an answer.
– user12374
Dec 23 '15 at 13:20
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Best is not to quote at all, but to wait for an offer. It's a different country. You can't go from "average salary" to what you would like to get; most likely it would be too little or too much for the position.
If they are asking explicitly for a quote, then you should tell that since you never lived in Germany, and you don't know anything about their area (the area probably makes 20% or more difference in wages), you are not able to judge what an appropriate salary for the position would be.
A decent company will offer you a reasonable salary. If you come up with a salary that is either too high you will not get the job, when you were perfectly willing to accept a reasonable salary. If you come up with a salary that is too low they have an excuse to pay you a miserable salary.
If you leave it to them, they have to actively suggest a lowball salary if they want to rip you off. Many people who are willing to take advantage of your mistakes (taking advantage of a too low quote) are not willing to actively rip you off (make a ridiculously low offer to someone who doesn't know the market), so that will be to your advantage.
If they absolutely insist on a quote, then something is dodgy with that company.
answered Dec 22 '15 at 17:22
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I am asked to quote. Not quoting is not an option. What are your thoughts?
– user12374
Dec 22 '15 at 17:52
Insisting that a candidate from India, with no experience in the German job market, who told them that he has no experience in the German job market, tells them a number, yes, that would be dodgy. In his position, the salary expectation is a fair salary for the position, which he can tell them.
– gnasher729
Dec 23 '15 at 19:47
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If you are going to relocate to Germany, quote the salary which is generally offered, in Germany.
If you are staying in India, quote salary a bit higher than what is offered in India, but keep it reasonable. (25% more than the Indian salary should do.)
If you are working remote, then quote a salary which is higher than the one recommended in the second step. (But, this is a tricky situation, some companies pay remote employees similar salaries as the other ones, and some go with the cost-of-living equation. So, get your homework about the company and it's policies right, before you quote.)
answered Dec 22 '15 at 17:05
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Let's wait for some more answers. Maybe some better advice pops up :)
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Dec 22 '15 at 17:56
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I am from germany.
The answer is it is best to not quote at all. In germany the disparity in living costs is quite drastic (going anywhere from 2500eur. /mo rent for a small apartment in or near downtown frankfurt to 250 eur. /mo rent for a big apartment in the middle of nowhere somewhere rural).
So it is generally a very good idea to let the employer come up with the first number, and then negotiate from there.
answered Dec 23 '15 at 12:57
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The problem is there are significant differences based on exact location, industry, and level of experience. These differences add up to about a factor of 4. For someone fresh from university, the difference is still up to 100% more for the higher end salary than the lower end.
Even we who know a lot about Germany can't tell, so how could you?
Be honest, tell them you saw on the web that the average for someone with your skills seems to be XYZ, but you don't feel comfortable quoting an exact figure because you cannot account for regional and industry differences, and are not yet familiar with the cost of living in [city in Germany you'd locate to].
answered Dec 23 '15 at 16:55
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The average salary range in 2015 was 40K to 60K depending on region. Personally I'd say that's for experienced people, I surely did not start out on €40K.
Please note that for everyone above that, to be an average, someone has to be below it. As a software developer you won't get stinkin' rich, but even with a below average salary, you can easily finance a rented apartment, car, family and holiday trips. Being paid below average is not the end of the world, you can live a pretty happy life with the wages of a software engineer even below average.
German salaries vary a lot because a good part of the salary is used to cover the cost of living. For example, for €40K one can easily and comfortably live in Hannover (capital of a federal state) while making 40K in Munich (capital of another federal state) probably means you have to sleep under a bridge or live out of town and commute for 1-2 hours.
As you relocate here, I would expect the company to offer you the normal salary they offer all their employees. If it's a large company, they may have something called a "Tarifvertrag", a contract between their union and the company what to pay for which job. If they do have one, that's great on one hand because they will not be allowed to pay you less and you can be relatively sure that the colleagues that do the same job get paid the same. On the other hand, it's harder to get more, too, because that's bureaucratic overhead.
Your best bet probably is to tell them that you tried to get information about German salary structures but the range is so wide that you'd rather hear their offer first. If you have to quote, I'd not just quote a number, but also include how you got there. That makes it easier on their part to react to it. For example, if you said "50k" and they cannot pay 50K, that's bad. If you say "People told me 50K is the average for your region", then it's easier for them to jump in and reply with "that's correct, we pay a bit below average but we offer those other benefits...".
answered Dec 22 '15 at 18:46
nvoigt
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Your suggestion is most logical. So the salary quote shall be determined upon costs of accommodation + food. Not to include any EMIs etc? What would you have quoted if you're me?
– user12374
Dec 23 '15 at 12:35
That's hard to say because I'm not you and I don't know you. I think it's easier to change jobs once you are in Germany, so personally, I'd stay on the low side of the range and if that turns out to be not enough for your taste, you can change inside Germany later. But I know others who'd run the risk and go for the higher numbers.
– nvoigt
Dec 23 '15 at 13:00
Thanks a lot to everyone for sharing their wisdom :). I'm accepting this one as an answer.
– user12374
Dec 23 '15 at 13:20
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The average salary range in 2015 was 40K to 60K depending on region. Personally I'd say that's for experienced people, I surely did not start out on €40K.
Please note that for everyone above that, to be an average, someone has to be below it. As a software developer you won't get stinkin' rich, but even with a below average salary, you can easily finance a rented apartment, car, family and holiday trips. Being paid below average is not the end of the world, you can live a pretty happy life with the wages of a software engineer even below average.
German salaries vary a lot because a good part of the salary is used to cover the cost of living. For example, for €40K one can easily and comfortably live in Hannover (capital of a federal state) while making 40K in Munich (capital of another federal state) probably means you have to sleep under a bridge or live out of town and commute for 1-2 hours.
As you relocate here, I would expect the company to offer you the normal salary they offer all their employees. If it's a large company, they may have something called a "Tarifvertrag", a contract between their union and the company what to pay for which job. If they do have one, that's great on one hand because they will not be allowed to pay you less and you can be relatively sure that the colleagues that do the same job get paid the same. On the other hand, it's harder to get more, too, because that's bureaucratic overhead.
Your best bet probably is to tell them that you tried to get information about German salary structures but the range is so wide that you'd rather hear their offer first. If you have to quote, I'd not just quote a number, but also include how you got there. That makes it easier on their part to react to it. For example, if you said "50k" and they cannot pay 50K, that's bad. If you say "People told me 50K is the average for your region", then it's easier for them to jump in and reply with "that's correct, we pay a bit below average but we offer those other benefits...".
answered Dec 22 '15 at 18:46
nvoigt
42.6k18105147
Your suggestion is most logical. So the salary quote shall be determined upon costs of accommodation + food. Not to include any EMIs etc? What would you have quoted if you're me?
– user12374
Dec 23 '15 at 12:35
That's hard to say because I'm not you and I don't know you. I think it's easier to change jobs once you are in Germany, so personally, I'd stay on the low side of the range and if that turns out to be not enough for your taste, you can change inside Germany later. But I know others who'd run the risk and go for the higher numbers.
– nvoigt
Dec 23 '15 at 13:00
Thanks a lot to everyone for sharing their wisdom :). I'm accepting this one as an answer.
– user12374
Dec 23 '15 at 13:20
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The average salary range in 2015 was 40K to 60K depending on region. Personally I'd say that's for experienced people, I surely did not start out on €40K.
Please note that for everyone above that, to be an average, someone has to be below it. As a software developer you won't get stinkin' rich, but even with a below average salary, you can easily finance a rented apartment, car, family and holiday trips. Being paid below average is not the end of the world, you can live a pretty happy life with the wages of a software engineer even below average.
German salaries vary a lot because a good part of the salary is used to cover the cost of living. For example, for €40K one can easily and comfortably live in Hannover (capital of a federal state) while making 40K in Munich (capital of another federal state) probably means you have to sleep under a bridge or live out of town and commute for 1-2 hours.
As you relocate here, I would expect the company to offer you the normal salary they offer all their employees. If it's a large company, they may have something called a "Tarifvertrag", a contract between their union and the company what to pay for which job. If they do have one, that's great on one hand because they will not be allowed to pay you less and you can be relatively sure that the colleagues that do the same job get paid the same. On the other hand, it's harder to get more, too, because that's bureaucratic overhead.
Your best bet probably is to tell them that you tried to get information about German salary structures but the range is so wide that you'd rather hear their offer first. If you have to quote, I'd not just quote a number, but also include how you got there. That makes it easier on their part to react to it. For example, if you said "50k" and they cannot pay 50K, that's bad. If you say "People told me 50K is the average for your region", then it's easier for them to jump in and reply with "that's correct, we pay a bit below average but we offer those other benefits...".
answered Dec 22 '15 at 18:46
nvoigt
42.6k18105147
The average salary range in 2015 was 40K to 60K depending on region. Personally I'd say that's for experienced people, I surely did not start out on €40K.
Please note that for everyone above that, to be an average, someone has to be below it. As a software developer you won't get stinkin' rich, but even with a below average salary, you can easily finance a rented apartment, car, family and holiday trips. Being paid below average is not the end of the world, you can live a pretty happy life with the wages of a software engineer even below average.
German salaries vary a lot because a good part of the salary is used to cover the cost of living. For example, for €40K one can easily and comfortably live in Hannover (capital of a federal state) while making 40K in Munich (capital of another federal state) probably means you have to sleep under a bridge or live out of town and commute for 1-2 hours.
As you relocate here, I would expect the company to offer you the normal salary they offer all their employees. If it's a large company, they may have something called a "Tarifvertrag", a contract between their union and the company what to pay for which job. If they do have one, that's great on one hand because they will not be allowed to pay you less and you can be relatively sure that the colleagues that do the same job get paid the same. On the other hand, it's harder to get more, too, because that's bureaucratic overhead.
Your best bet probably is to tell them that you tried to get information about German salary structures but the range is so wide that you'd rather hear their offer first. If you have to quote, I'd not just quote a number, but also include how you got there. That makes it easier on their part to react to it. For example, if you said "50k" and they cannot pay 50K, that's bad. If you say "People told me 50K is the average for your region", then it's easier for them to jump in and reply with "that's correct, we pay a bit below average but we offer those other benefits...".
answered Dec 22 '15 at 18:46
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answered Dec 22 '15 at 18:46
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Your suggestion is most logical. So the salary quote shall be determined upon costs of accommodation + food. Not to include any EMIs etc? What would you have quoted if you're me?
– user12374
Dec 23 '15 at 12:35
That's hard to say because I'm not you and I don't know you. I think it's easier to change jobs once you are in Germany, so personally, I'd stay on the low side of the range and if that turns out to be not enough for your taste, you can change inside Germany later. But I know others who'd run the risk and go for the higher numbers.
– nvoigt
Dec 23 '15 at 13:00
Thanks a lot to everyone for sharing their wisdom :). I'm accepting this one as an answer.
– user12374
Dec 23 '15 at 13:20
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Your suggestion is most logical. So the salary quote shall be determined upon costs of accommodation + food. Not to include any EMIs etc? What would you have quoted if you're me?
– user12374
Dec 23 '15 at 12:35
That's hard to say because I'm not you and I don't know you. I think it's easier to change jobs once you are in Germany, so personally, I'd stay on the low side of the range and if that turns out to be not enough for your taste, you can change inside Germany later. But I know others who'd run the risk and go for the higher numbers.
– nvoigt
Dec 23 '15 at 13:00
Thanks a lot to everyone for sharing their wisdom :). I'm accepting this one as an answer.
– user12374
Dec 23 '15 at 13:20
Your suggestion is most logical. So the salary quote shall be determined upon costs of accommodation + food. Not to include any EMIs etc? What would you have quoted if you're me?
– user12374
Dec 23 '15 at 12:35
Your suggestion is most logical. So the salary quote shall be determined upon costs of accommodation + food. Not to include any EMIs etc? What would you have quoted if you're me?
– user12374
Dec 23 '15 at 12:35
That's hard to say because I'm not you and I don't know you. I think it's easier to change jobs once you are in Germany, so personally, I'd stay on the low side of the range and if that turns out to be not enough for your taste, you can change inside Germany later. But I know others who'd run the risk and go for the higher numbers.
– nvoigt
Dec 23 '15 at 13:00
That's hard to say because I'm not you and I don't know you. I think it's easier to change jobs once you are in Germany, so personally, I'd stay on the low side of the range and if that turns out to be not enough for your taste, you can change inside Germany later. But I know others who'd run the risk and go for the higher numbers.
– nvoigt
Dec 23 '15 at 13:00
Thanks a lot to everyone for sharing their wisdom :). I'm accepting this one as an answer.
– user12374
Dec 23 '15 at 13:20
Thanks a lot to everyone for sharing their wisdom :). I'm accepting this one as an answer.
– user12374
Dec 23 '15 at 13:20
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Best is not to quote at all, but to wait for an offer. It's a different country. You can't go from "average salary" to what you would like to get; most likely it would be too little or too much for the position.
If they are asking explicitly for a quote, then you should tell that since you never lived in Germany, and you don't know anything about their area (the area probably makes 20% or more difference in wages), you are not able to judge what an appropriate salary for the position would be.
A decent company will offer you a reasonable salary. If you come up with a salary that is either too high you will not get the job, when you were perfectly willing to accept a reasonable salary. If you come up with a salary that is too low they have an excuse to pay you a miserable salary.
If you leave it to them, they have to actively suggest a lowball salary if they want to rip you off. Many people who are willing to take advantage of your mistakes (taking advantage of a too low quote) are not willing to actively rip you off (make a ridiculously low offer to someone who doesn't know the market), so that will be to your advantage.
If they absolutely insist on a quote, then something is dodgy with that company.
answered Dec 22 '15 at 17:22
gnasher729
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I am asked to quote. Not quoting is not an option. What are your thoughts?
– user12374
Dec 22 '15 at 17:52
Insisting that a candidate from India, with no experience in the German job market, who told them that he has no experience in the German job market, tells them a number, yes, that would be dodgy. In his position, the salary expectation is a fair salary for the position, which he can tell them.
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Dec 23 '15 at 19:47
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Best is not to quote at all, but to wait for an offer. It's a different country. You can't go from "average salary" to what you would like to get; most likely it would be too little or too much for the position.
If they are asking explicitly for a quote, then you should tell that since you never lived in Germany, and you don't know anything about their area (the area probably makes 20% or more difference in wages), you are not able to judge what an appropriate salary for the position would be.
A decent company will offer you a reasonable salary. If you come up with a salary that is either too high you will not get the job, when you were perfectly willing to accept a reasonable salary. If you come up with a salary that is too low they have an excuse to pay you a miserable salary.
If you leave it to them, they have to actively suggest a lowball salary if they want to rip you off. Many people who are willing to take advantage of your mistakes (taking advantage of a too low quote) are not willing to actively rip you off (make a ridiculously low offer to someone who doesn't know the market), so that will be to your advantage.
If they absolutely insist on a quote, then something is dodgy with that company.
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I am asked to quote. Not quoting is not an option. What are your thoughts?
– user12374
Dec 22 '15 at 17:52
Insisting that a candidate from India, with no experience in the German job market, who told them that he has no experience in the German job market, tells them a number, yes, that would be dodgy. In his position, the salary expectation is a fair salary for the position, which he can tell them.
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Best is not to quote at all, but to wait for an offer. It's a different country. You can't go from "average salary" to what you would like to get; most likely it would be too little or too much for the position.
If they are asking explicitly for a quote, then you should tell that since you never lived in Germany, and you don't know anything about their area (the area probably makes 20% or more difference in wages), you are not able to judge what an appropriate salary for the position would be.
A decent company will offer you a reasonable salary. If you come up with a salary that is either too high you will not get the job, when you were perfectly willing to accept a reasonable salary. If you come up with a salary that is too low they have an excuse to pay you a miserable salary.
If you leave it to them, they have to actively suggest a lowball salary if they want to rip you off. Many people who are willing to take advantage of your mistakes (taking advantage of a too low quote) are not willing to actively rip you off (make a ridiculously low offer to someone who doesn't know the market), so that will be to your advantage.
If they absolutely insist on a quote, then something is dodgy with that company.
answered Dec 22 '15 at 17:22
gnasher729
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Best is not to quote at all, but to wait for an offer. It's a different country. You can't go from "average salary" to what you would like to get; most likely it would be too little or too much for the position.
If they are asking explicitly for a quote, then you should tell that since you never lived in Germany, and you don't know anything about their area (the area probably makes 20% or more difference in wages), you are not able to judge what an appropriate salary for the position would be.
A decent company will offer you a reasonable salary. If you come up with a salary that is either too high you will not get the job, when you were perfectly willing to accept a reasonable salary. If you come up with a salary that is too low they have an excuse to pay you a miserable salary.
If you leave it to them, they have to actively suggest a lowball salary if they want to rip you off. Many people who are willing to take advantage of your mistakes (taking advantage of a too low quote) are not willing to actively rip you off (make a ridiculously low offer to someone who doesn't know the market), so that will be to your advantage.
If they absolutely insist on a quote, then something is dodgy with that company.
answered Dec 22 '15 at 17:22
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answered Dec 22 '15 at 17:22
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I am asked to quote. Not quoting is not an option. What are your thoughts?
– user12374
Dec 22 '15 at 17:52
Insisting that a candidate from India, with no experience in the German job market, who told them that he has no experience in the German job market, tells them a number, yes, that would be dodgy. In his position, the salary expectation is a fair salary for the position, which he can tell them.
– gnasher729
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I am asked to quote. Not quoting is not an option. What are your thoughts?
– user12374
Dec 22 '15 at 17:52
Insisting that a candidate from India, with no experience in the German job market, who told them that he has no experience in the German job market, tells them a number, yes, that would be dodgy. In his position, the salary expectation is a fair salary for the position, which he can tell them.
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Dec 23 '15 at 19:47
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I am asked to quote. Not quoting is not an option. What are your thoughts?
– user12374
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I am asked to quote. Not quoting is not an option. What are your thoughts?
– user12374
Dec 22 '15 at 17:52
Insisting that a candidate from India, with no experience in the German job market, who told them that he has no experience in the German job market, tells them a number, yes, that would be dodgy. In his position, the salary expectation is a fair salary for the position, which he can tell them.
– gnasher729
Dec 23 '15 at 19:47
Insisting that a candidate from India, with no experience in the German job market, who told them that he has no experience in the German job market, tells them a number, yes, that would be dodgy. In his position, the salary expectation is a fair salary for the position, which he can tell them.
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If you are going to relocate to Germany, quote the salary which is generally offered, in Germany.
If you are staying in India, quote salary a bit higher than what is offered in India, but keep it reasonable. (25% more than the Indian salary should do.)
If you are working remote, then quote a salary which is higher than the one recommended in the second step. (But, this is a tricky situation, some companies pay remote employees similar salaries as the other ones, and some go with the cost-of-living equation. So, get your homework about the company and it's policies right, before you quote.)
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If you are going to relocate to Germany, quote the salary which is generally offered, in Germany.
If you are staying in India, quote salary a bit higher than what is offered in India, but keep it reasonable. (25% more than the Indian salary should do.)
If you are working remote, then quote a salary which is higher than the one recommended in the second step. (But, this is a tricky situation, some companies pay remote employees similar salaries as the other ones, and some go with the cost-of-living equation. So, get your homework about the company and it's policies right, before you quote.)
answered Dec 22 '15 at 17:05
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Let's wait for some more answers. Maybe some better advice pops up :)
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If you are going to relocate to Germany, quote the salary which is generally offered, in Germany.
If you are staying in India, quote salary a bit higher than what is offered in India, but keep it reasonable. (25% more than the Indian salary should do.)
If you are working remote, then quote a salary which is higher than the one recommended in the second step. (But, this is a tricky situation, some companies pay remote employees similar salaries as the other ones, and some go with the cost-of-living equation. So, get your homework about the company and it's policies right, before you quote.)
answered Dec 22 '15 at 17:05
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If you are going to relocate to Germany, quote the salary which is generally offered, in Germany.
If you are staying in India, quote salary a bit higher than what is offered in India, but keep it reasonable. (25% more than the Indian salary should do.)
If you are working remote, then quote a salary which is higher than the one recommended in the second step. (But, this is a tricky situation, some companies pay remote employees similar salaries as the other ones, and some go with the cost-of-living equation. So, get your homework about the company and it's policies right, before you quote.)
answered Dec 22 '15 at 17:05
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answered Dec 22 '15 at 17:05
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I am from germany.
The answer is it is best to not quote at all. In germany the disparity in living costs is quite drastic (going anywhere from 2500eur. /mo rent for a small apartment in or near downtown frankfurt to 250 eur. /mo rent for a big apartment in the middle of nowhere somewhere rural).
So it is generally a very good idea to let the employer come up with the first number, and then negotiate from there.
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I am from germany.
The answer is it is best to not quote at all. In germany the disparity in living costs is quite drastic (going anywhere from 2500eur. /mo rent for a small apartment in or near downtown frankfurt to 250 eur. /mo rent for a big apartment in the middle of nowhere somewhere rural).
So it is generally a very good idea to let the employer come up with the first number, and then negotiate from there.
answered Dec 23 '15 at 12:57
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I am from germany.
The answer is it is best to not quote at all. In germany the disparity in living costs is quite drastic (going anywhere from 2500eur. /mo rent for a small apartment in or near downtown frankfurt to 250 eur. /mo rent for a big apartment in the middle of nowhere somewhere rural).
So it is generally a very good idea to let the employer come up with the first number, and then negotiate from there.
answered Dec 23 '15 at 12:57
Magisch
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I am from germany.
The answer is it is best to not quote at all. In germany the disparity in living costs is quite drastic (going anywhere from 2500eur. /mo rent for a small apartment in or near downtown frankfurt to 250 eur. /mo rent for a big apartment in the middle of nowhere somewhere rural).
So it is generally a very good idea to let the employer come up with the first number, and then negotiate from there.
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Magisch
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answered Dec 23 '15 at 12:57
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The problem is there are significant differences based on exact location, industry, and level of experience. These differences add up to about a factor of 4. For someone fresh from university, the difference is still up to 100% more for the higher end salary than the lower end.
Even we who know a lot about Germany can't tell, so how could you?
Be honest, tell them you saw on the web that the average for someone with your skills seems to be XYZ, but you don't feel comfortable quoting an exact figure because you cannot account for regional and industry differences, and are not yet familiar with the cost of living in [city in Germany you'd locate to].
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The problem is there are significant differences based on exact location, industry, and level of experience. These differences add up to about a factor of 4. For someone fresh from university, the difference is still up to 100% more for the higher end salary than the lower end.
Even we who know a lot about Germany can't tell, so how could you?
Be honest, tell them you saw on the web that the average for someone with your skills seems to be XYZ, but you don't feel comfortable quoting an exact figure because you cannot account for regional and industry differences, and are not yet familiar with the cost of living in [city in Germany you'd locate to].
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The problem is there are significant differences based on exact location, industry, and level of experience. These differences add up to about a factor of 4. For someone fresh from university, the difference is still up to 100% more for the higher end salary than the lower end.
Even we who know a lot about Germany can't tell, so how could you?
Be honest, tell them you saw on the web that the average for someone with your skills seems to be XYZ, but you don't feel comfortable quoting an exact figure because you cannot account for regional and industry differences, and are not yet familiar with the cost of living in [city in Germany you'd locate to].
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The problem is there are significant differences based on exact location, industry, and level of experience. These differences add up to about a factor of 4. For someone fresh from university, the difference is still up to 100% more for the higher end salary than the lower end.
Even we who know a lot about Germany can't tell, so how could you?
Be honest, tell them you saw on the web that the average for someone with your skills seems to be XYZ, but you don't feel comfortable quoting an exact figure because you cannot account for regional and industry differences, and are not yet familiar with the cost of living in [city in Germany you'd locate to].
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Note that the second is a "Senior" in the title so average may not be so average after all. ;)
– JB King
Dec 22 '15 at 16:38
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It depends - are you going to relocate to Germany? then get a German salary - if you are staying in India, while there is nothing preventing you from quoting the higher salary, the cost of living is usually the guideline for determining such things, and also what other developers are charging
– user2813274
Dec 22 '15 at 16:39
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payscale.com/research/DE/Job=Software_Engineer/Salary is the link I put in which is for a "Software Engineer" while you had payscale.com/research/DE/Job=Senior_Software_Engineer/Salary which is for a "Senior Software Engineer" where there is a major difference in following those links.
– JB King
Dec 22 '15 at 17:31
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@JBKing Yeah my bad :) You had pointed that already.
– user12374
Dec 22 '15 at 17:55
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Relocation is expensive. Why pay that and the going rate in Germany when they can get a German with the going rate in Germany - no relocation needed? You will need to quote lower, but it should be relative to the local pay scale.
– Jim
Dec 23 '15 at 6:10