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Programmer now given a cold call list on top of current workload. Time to leave? [closed]
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I am a programmer with a heavy/healthy work load. I have 3 years of experience and since day 1 with this company I am at, I've been handling projects solo, from point A to point Z which includes everything from database design, to coding to phone-support.
I have now been given a call list. Is this appropriate? I am titled and paid as a programmer, not a software engineer+database administer+systems Analyst+Tech Support (and now)+Sales guy... Is this to be expected as an entry level software engineer?
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closed as off-topic by Justin Cave, Dawny33, scaaahu, gnat, The Wandering Dev Manager Oct 28 '15 at 6:10
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- "Questions asking for advice on what to do are not practical answerable questions (e.g. "what job should I take?", or "what skills should I learn?"). Questions should get answers explaining why and how to make a decision, not advice on what to do. For more information, click here." – Justin Cave, Dawny33, The Wandering Dev Manager
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Edited to fit in Stack Guidelines:
I am a programmer with a heavy/healthy work load. I have 3 years of experience and since day 1 with this company I am at, I've been handling projects solo, from point A to point Z which includes everything from database design, to coding to phone-support.
I have now been given a call list. Is this appropriate? I am titled and paid as a programmer, not a software engineer+database administer+systems Analyst+Tech Support (and now)+Sales guy... Is this to be expected as an entry level software engineer?
software-industry work-environment job-change work-experience
asked Oct 28 '15 at 2:47
user43390
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closed as off-topic by Justin Cave, Dawny33, scaaahu, gnat, The Wandering Dev Manager Oct 28 '15 at 6:10
This question appears to be off-topic. The users who voted to close gave these specific reasons:
- "Questions asking for advice on what to do are not practical answerable questions (e.g. "what job should I take?", or "what skills should I learn?"). Questions should get answers explaining why and how to make a decision, not advice on what to do. For more information, click here." – Justin Cave, Dawny33, The Wandering Dev Manager
- "Questions seeking advice on company-specific regulations, agreements, or policies should be directed to your manager or HR department. Questions that address only a specific company or position are of limited use to future visitors. Questions seeking legal advice should be directed to legal professionals. For more information, click here." – scaaahu, gnat
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If you have to ask then yes you are nuts
– paparazzo
Oct 28 '15 at 2:59
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I've seen frat keggers with better management practices. If you think you're gaining a benefit from staying, then stay. I can't see where you are, though. I would, however, document all your issues. Not for any legal reason, but I think you have the makings of a great comic strip, here.
– Wesley Long
Oct 28 '15 at 3:02
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Either you're severely underpaid, or they're really desperate for business, or both, if they think it's a good use of your time to basically be a phone salesman.
– Kai
Oct 28 '15 at 3:05
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Man, putting devs on cold-calls ... You might as well just light the checkbook on fire. There are dozens of cost-effective outsourcing agencies that are really good at this stuff. Here's the first one I found with Google: flatworldsolutions.com/call-center/cold-calling-services.php
– Wesley Long
Oct 28 '15 at 3:21
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"even now I'm on 'vacation' but have spent at least 8 hours today working from home" - why are you doing that?
– Brandin
Oct 28 '15 at 9:21
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Edited to fit in Stack Guidelines:
I am a programmer with a heavy/healthy work load. I have 3 years of experience and since day 1 with this company I am at, I've been handling projects solo, from point A to point Z which includes everything from database design, to coding to phone-support.
I have now been given a call list. Is this appropriate? I am titled and paid as a programmer, not a software engineer+database administer+systems Analyst+Tech Support (and now)+Sales guy... Is this to be expected as an entry level software engineer?
software-industry work-environment job-change work-experience
asked Oct 28 '15 at 2:47
user43390
596
Edited to fit in Stack Guidelines:
I am a programmer with a heavy/healthy work load. I have 3 years of experience and since day 1 with this company I am at, I've been handling projects solo, from point A to point Z which includes everything from database design, to coding to phone-support.
I have now been given a call list. Is this appropriate? I am titled and paid as a programmer, not a software engineer+database administer+systems Analyst+Tech Support (and now)+Sales guy... Is this to be expected as an entry level software engineer?
software-industry work-environment job-change work-experience
asked Oct 28 '15 at 2:47
user43390
596
edited Oct 28 '15 at 14:48
asked Oct 28 '15 at 2:47
user43390
596
asked Oct 28 '15 at 2:47
user43390
596
asked Oct 28 '15 at 2:47
user43390
596
596
closed as off-topic by Justin Cave, Dawny33, scaaahu, gnat, The Wandering Dev Manager Oct 28 '15 at 6:10
This question appears to be off-topic. The users who voted to close gave these specific reasons:
- "Questions asking for advice on what to do are not practical answerable questions (e.g. "what job should I take?", or "what skills should I learn?"). Questions should get answers explaining why and how to make a decision, not advice on what to do. For more information, click here." – Justin Cave, Dawny33, The Wandering Dev Manager
- "Questions seeking advice on company-specific regulations, agreements, or policies should be directed to your manager or HR department. Questions that address only a specific company or position are of limited use to future visitors. Questions seeking legal advice should be directed to legal professionals. For more information, click here." – scaaahu, gnat
closed as off-topic by Justin Cave, Dawny33, scaaahu, gnat, The Wandering Dev Manager Oct 28 '15 at 6:10
This question appears to be off-topic. The users who voted to close gave these specific reasons:
- "Questions asking for advice on what to do are not practical answerable questions (e.g. "what job should I take?", or "what skills should I learn?"). Questions should get answers explaining why and how to make a decision, not advice on what to do. For more information, click here." – Justin Cave, Dawny33, The Wandering Dev Manager
- "Questions seeking advice on company-specific regulations, agreements, or policies should be directed to your manager or HR department. Questions that address only a specific company or position are of limited use to future visitors. Questions seeking legal advice should be directed to legal professionals. For more information, click here." – scaaahu, gnat
6
If you have to ask then yes you are nuts
– paparazzo
Oct 28 '15 at 2:59
2
I've seen frat keggers with better management practices. If you think you're gaining a benefit from staying, then stay. I can't see where you are, though. I would, however, document all your issues. Not for any legal reason, but I think you have the makings of a great comic strip, here.
– Wesley Long
Oct 28 '15 at 3:02
4
Either you're severely underpaid, or they're really desperate for business, or both, if they think it's a good use of your time to basically be a phone salesman.
– Kai
Oct 28 '15 at 3:05
4
Man, putting devs on cold-calls ... You might as well just light the checkbook on fire. There are dozens of cost-effective outsourcing agencies that are really good at this stuff. Here's the first one I found with Google: flatworldsolutions.com/call-center/cold-calling-services.php
– Wesley Long
Oct 28 '15 at 3:21
3
"even now I'm on 'vacation' but have spent at least 8 hours today working from home" - why are you doing that?
– Brandin
Oct 28 '15 at 9:21
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If you have to ask then yes you are nuts
– paparazzo
Oct 28 '15 at 2:59
2
I've seen frat keggers with better management practices. If you think you're gaining a benefit from staying, then stay. I can't see where you are, though. I would, however, document all your issues. Not for any legal reason, but I think you have the makings of a great comic strip, here.
– Wesley Long
Oct 28 '15 at 3:02
4
Either you're severely underpaid, or they're really desperate for business, or both, if they think it's a good use of your time to basically be a phone salesman.
– Kai
Oct 28 '15 at 3:05
4
Man, putting devs on cold-calls ... You might as well just light the checkbook on fire. There are dozens of cost-effective outsourcing agencies that are really good at this stuff. Here's the first one I found with Google: flatworldsolutions.com/call-center/cold-calling-services.php
– Wesley Long
Oct 28 '15 at 3:21
3
"even now I'm on 'vacation' but have spent at least 8 hours today working from home" - why are you doing that?
– Brandin
Oct 28 '15 at 9:21
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6
If you have to ask then yes you are nuts
– paparazzo
Oct 28 '15 at 2:59
If you have to ask then yes you are nuts
– paparazzo
Oct 28 '15 at 2:59
2
2
I've seen frat keggers with better management practices. If you think you're gaining a benefit from staying, then stay. I can't see where you are, though. I would, however, document all your issues. Not for any legal reason, but I think you have the makings of a great comic strip, here.
– Wesley Long
Oct 28 '15 at 3:02
I've seen frat keggers with better management practices. If you think you're gaining a benefit from staying, then stay. I can't see where you are, though. I would, however, document all your issues. Not for any legal reason, but I think you have the makings of a great comic strip, here.
– Wesley Long
Oct 28 '15 at 3:02
4
4
Either you're severely underpaid, or they're really desperate for business, or both, if they think it's a good use of your time to basically be a phone salesman.
– Kai
Oct 28 '15 at 3:05
Either you're severely underpaid, or they're really desperate for business, or both, if they think it's a good use of your time to basically be a phone salesman.
– Kai
Oct 28 '15 at 3:05
4
4
Man, putting devs on cold-calls ... You might as well just light the checkbook on fire. There are dozens of cost-effective outsourcing agencies that are really good at this stuff. Here's the first one I found with Google: flatworldsolutions.com/call-center/cold-calling-services.php
– Wesley Long
Oct 28 '15 at 3:21
Man, putting devs on cold-calls ... You might as well just light the checkbook on fire. There are dozens of cost-effective outsourcing agencies that are really good at this stuff. Here's the first one I found with Google: flatworldsolutions.com/call-center/cold-calling-services.php
– Wesley Long
Oct 28 '15 at 3:21
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3
"even now I'm on 'vacation' but have spent at least 8 hours today working from home" - why are you doing that?
– Brandin
Oct 28 '15 at 9:21
"even now I'm on 'vacation' but have spent at least 8 hours today working from home" - why are you doing that?
– Brandin
Oct 28 '15 at 9:21
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I think the consensus is that, as @Kai said, either you're massively underpaid or this company is desperate ... unless, perhaps, what you're developing is software for managing cold calls ... and unless you really think you can and want to rescue them, it probably does make sense to polish the resume and see what your other options are.
answered Oct 28 '15 at 3:42
keshlam
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This is our new sales guy's idea. I think he's the desperate one, dragging us into his lack luster performance thus far. Pay is ~60k in Mid western state. Time to leave still even though I get to 'come and go' as I please? ? ?
– user43390
Oct 28 '15 at 3:48
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That's something only you can decide. How much do you value that, how willing are you to cope with this,... "shoild I" questions are almost automatically offtopic on SE for just that reason. We don't have all the info we aren't you, we can't answer. Go not to the Internet fo value judgements, for it will say both "mu" and "ni!"
– keshlam
Oct 28 '15 at 4:03
can 'should I' appropriately be changed for 'would you'?
– user43390
Oct 28 '15 at 4:04
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And it's something your new sales guy talked Management into, which means it's still their responsibility. Unless this is all unauthorized, in which case I advise referring him to your manager.
– keshlam
Oct 28 '15 at 4:04
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Could be "sales guy wants to skim extra commissions off of salaried dev resource" as opposed to "sales guy/company is desperate", if the call list wasn't authorized by management.
– aroth
Oct 28 '15 at 4:14
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I think the consensus is that, as @Kai said, either you're massively underpaid or this company is desperate ... unless, perhaps, what you're developing is software for managing cold calls ... and unless you really think you can and want to rescue them, it probably does make sense to polish the resume and see what your other options are.
answered Oct 28 '15 at 3:42
keshlam
41.5k1267144
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This is our new sales guy's idea. I think he's the desperate one, dragging us into his lack luster performance thus far. Pay is ~60k in Mid western state. Time to leave still even though I get to 'come and go' as I please? ? ?
– user43390
Oct 28 '15 at 3:48
1
That's something only you can decide. How much do you value that, how willing are you to cope with this,... "shoild I" questions are almost automatically offtopic on SE for just that reason. We don't have all the info we aren't you, we can't answer. Go not to the Internet fo value judgements, for it will say both "mu" and "ni!"
– keshlam
Oct 28 '15 at 4:03
can 'should I' appropriately be changed for 'would you'?
– user43390
Oct 28 '15 at 4:04
1
And it's something your new sales guy talked Management into, which means it's still their responsibility. Unless this is all unauthorized, in which case I advise referring him to your manager.
– keshlam
Oct 28 '15 at 4:04
1
Could be "sales guy wants to skim extra commissions off of salaried dev resource" as opposed to "sales guy/company is desperate", if the call list wasn't authorized by management.
– aroth
Oct 28 '15 at 4:14
 |Â
show 1 more comment
up vote
8
down vote
I think the consensus is that, as @Kai said, either you're massively underpaid or this company is desperate ... unless, perhaps, what you're developing is software for managing cold calls ... and unless you really think you can and want to rescue them, it probably does make sense to polish the resume and see what your other options are.
answered Oct 28 '15 at 3:42
keshlam
41.5k1267144
1
This is our new sales guy's idea. I think he's the desperate one, dragging us into his lack luster performance thus far. Pay is ~60k in Mid western state. Time to leave still even though I get to 'come and go' as I please? ? ?
– user43390
Oct 28 '15 at 3:48
1
That's something only you can decide. How much do you value that, how willing are you to cope with this,... "shoild I" questions are almost automatically offtopic on SE for just that reason. We don't have all the info we aren't you, we can't answer. Go not to the Internet fo value judgements, for it will say both "mu" and "ni!"
– keshlam
Oct 28 '15 at 4:03
can 'should I' appropriately be changed for 'would you'?
– user43390
Oct 28 '15 at 4:04
1
And it's something your new sales guy talked Management into, which means it's still their responsibility. Unless this is all unauthorized, in which case I advise referring him to your manager.
– keshlam
Oct 28 '15 at 4:04
1
Could be "sales guy wants to skim extra commissions off of salaried dev resource" as opposed to "sales guy/company is desperate", if the call list wasn't authorized by management.
– aroth
Oct 28 '15 at 4:14
 |Â
show 1 more comment
up vote
8
down vote
up vote
8
down vote
I think the consensus is that, as @Kai said, either you're massively underpaid or this company is desperate ... unless, perhaps, what you're developing is software for managing cold calls ... and unless you really think you can and want to rescue them, it probably does make sense to polish the resume and see what your other options are.
answered Oct 28 '15 at 3:42
keshlam
41.5k1267144
I think the consensus is that, as @Kai said, either you're massively underpaid or this company is desperate ... unless, perhaps, what you're developing is software for managing cold calls ... and unless you really think you can and want to rescue them, it probably does make sense to polish the resume and see what your other options are.
answered Oct 28 '15 at 3:42
keshlam
41.5k1267144
edited Oct 28 '15 at 12:59
answered Oct 28 '15 at 3:42
keshlam
41.5k1267144
answered Oct 28 '15 at 3:42
keshlam
41.5k1267144
answered Oct 28 '15 at 3:42
keshlam
41.5k1267144
41.5k1267144
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This is our new sales guy's idea. I think he's the desperate one, dragging us into his lack luster performance thus far. Pay is ~60k in Mid western state. Time to leave still even though I get to 'come and go' as I please? ? ?
– user43390
Oct 28 '15 at 3:48
1
That's something only you can decide. How much do you value that, how willing are you to cope with this,... "shoild I" questions are almost automatically offtopic on SE for just that reason. We don't have all the info we aren't you, we can't answer. Go not to the Internet fo value judgements, for it will say both "mu" and "ni!"
– keshlam
Oct 28 '15 at 4:03
can 'should I' appropriately be changed for 'would you'?
– user43390
Oct 28 '15 at 4:04
1
And it's something your new sales guy talked Management into, which means it's still their responsibility. Unless this is all unauthorized, in which case I advise referring him to your manager.
– keshlam
Oct 28 '15 at 4:04
1
Could be "sales guy wants to skim extra commissions off of salaried dev resource" as opposed to "sales guy/company is desperate", if the call list wasn't authorized by management.
– aroth
Oct 28 '15 at 4:14
 |Â
show 1 more comment
1
This is our new sales guy's idea. I think he's the desperate one, dragging us into his lack luster performance thus far. Pay is ~60k in Mid western state. Time to leave still even though I get to 'come and go' as I please? ? ?
– user43390
Oct 28 '15 at 3:48
1
That's something only you can decide. How much do you value that, how willing are you to cope with this,... "shoild I" questions are almost automatically offtopic on SE for just that reason. We don't have all the info we aren't you, we can't answer. Go not to the Internet fo value judgements, for it will say both "mu" and "ni!"
– keshlam
Oct 28 '15 at 4:03
can 'should I' appropriately be changed for 'would you'?
– user43390
Oct 28 '15 at 4:04
1
And it's something your new sales guy talked Management into, which means it's still their responsibility. Unless this is all unauthorized, in which case I advise referring him to your manager.
– keshlam
Oct 28 '15 at 4:04
1
Could be "sales guy wants to skim extra commissions off of salaried dev resource" as opposed to "sales guy/company is desperate", if the call list wasn't authorized by management.
– aroth
Oct 28 '15 at 4:14
1
1
This is our new sales guy's idea. I think he's the desperate one, dragging us into his lack luster performance thus far. Pay is ~60k in Mid western state. Time to leave still even though I get to 'come and go' as I please? ? ?
– user43390
Oct 28 '15 at 3:48
This is our new sales guy's idea. I think he's the desperate one, dragging us into his lack luster performance thus far. Pay is ~60k in Mid western state. Time to leave still even though I get to 'come and go' as I please? ? ?
– user43390
Oct 28 '15 at 3:48
1
1
That's something only you can decide. How much do you value that, how willing are you to cope with this,... "shoild I" questions are almost automatically offtopic on SE for just that reason. We don't have all the info we aren't you, we can't answer. Go not to the Internet fo value judgements, for it will say both "mu" and "ni!"
– keshlam
Oct 28 '15 at 4:03
That's something only you can decide. How much do you value that, how willing are you to cope with this,... "shoild I" questions are almost automatically offtopic on SE for just that reason. We don't have all the info we aren't you, we can't answer. Go not to the Internet fo value judgements, for it will say both "mu" and "ni!"
– keshlam
Oct 28 '15 at 4:03
can 'should I' appropriately be changed for 'would you'?
– user43390
Oct 28 '15 at 4:04
can 'should I' appropriately be changed for 'would you'?
– user43390
Oct 28 '15 at 4:04
1
1
And it's something your new sales guy talked Management into, which means it's still their responsibility. Unless this is all unauthorized, in which case I advise referring him to your manager.
– keshlam
Oct 28 '15 at 4:04
And it's something your new sales guy talked Management into, which means it's still their responsibility. Unless this is all unauthorized, in which case I advise referring him to your manager.
– keshlam
Oct 28 '15 at 4:04
1
1
Could be "sales guy wants to skim extra commissions off of salaried dev resource" as opposed to "sales guy/company is desperate", if the call list wasn't authorized by management.
– aroth
Oct 28 '15 at 4:14
Could be "sales guy wants to skim extra commissions off of salaried dev resource" as opposed to "sales guy/company is desperate", if the call list wasn't authorized by management.
– aroth
Oct 28 '15 at 4:14
 |Â
show 1 more comment
6
If you have to ask then yes you are nuts
– paparazzo
Oct 28 '15 at 2:59
2
I've seen frat keggers with better management practices. If you think you're gaining a benefit from staying, then stay. I can't see where you are, though. I would, however, document all your issues. Not for any legal reason, but I think you have the makings of a great comic strip, here.
– Wesley Long
Oct 28 '15 at 3:02
4
Either you're severely underpaid, or they're really desperate for business, or both, if they think it's a good use of your time to basically be a phone salesman.
– Kai
Oct 28 '15 at 3:05
4
Man, putting devs on cold-calls ... You might as well just light the checkbook on fire. There are dozens of cost-effective outsourcing agencies that are really good at this stuff. Here's the first one I found with Google: flatworldsolutions.com/call-center/cold-calling-services.php
– Wesley Long
Oct 28 '15 at 3:21
3
"even now I'm on 'vacation' but have spent at least 8 hours today working from home" - why are you doing that?
– Brandin
Oct 28 '15 at 9:21