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I'm a recent graduate looking for jobs as a software engineer and trying to understand the industry.
My question:
Are permanent contracts easy to get? Say I spent 2 years at a company (with a limited contract), then they want me to stay for another project, then is it normally, in the German software industry, that I will get a permanent contract or should I negotiate for it?
And what about entering a new company after 2 years of experience, is it easy to get a permanent contract from the very beginning? Or are there special conditions for it?
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asked May 4 '15 at 14:32
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I'm a recent graduate looking for jobs as a software engineer and trying to understand the industry.
My question:
Are permanent contracts easy to get? Say I spent 2 years at a company (with a limited contract), then they want me to stay for another project, then is it normally, in the German software industry, that I will get a permanent contract or should I negotiate for it?
And what about entering a new company after 2 years of experience, is it easy to get a permanent contract from the very beginning? Or are there special conditions for it?
job-search contracts germany entry-level
asked May 4 '15 at 14:32
Jack Twain
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closed as off-topic by IDrinkandIKnowThings, gnat, scaaahu, Myles, Chris E May 9 '15 at 18:38
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- "Questions asking for advice on what to do are not practical answerable questions (e.g. "what job should I take?", or "what skills should I learn?"). Questions should get answers explaining why and how to make a decision, not advice on what to do. For more information, click here." – IDrinkandIKnowThings, gnat, scaaahu, Myles
@Pepone a brief run through the questions most seem fine enough for workplace, this question seems the least fitting for workplace and I'd still put it on the positive side of grey, only because I think it doesn't have really a solid answer rather will likely be subjective/opinion based (Makes sense, guys got a lot of questions and technically we're supposed to have one question per post) And while this is an English site it's not an "Americans only" site. We've actually got a fairly large number of users from India here.
– RualStorge
May 4 '15 at 15:12
@RualStorge thanks. That's why I have the same stupid cliche introduction in all of my questions. To avoid having my questions marked "too broad".
– Jack Twain
May 4 '15 at 15:15
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I'm a recent graduate looking for jobs as a software engineer and trying to understand the industry.
My question:
Are permanent contracts easy to get? Say I spent 2 years at a company (with a limited contract), then they want me to stay for another project, then is it normally, in the German software industry, that I will get a permanent contract or should I negotiate for it?
And what about entering a new company after 2 years of experience, is it easy to get a permanent contract from the very beginning? Or are there special conditions for it?
job-search contracts germany entry-level
asked May 4 '15 at 14:32
Jack Twain
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I'm a recent graduate looking for jobs as a software engineer and trying to understand the industry.
My question:
Are permanent contracts easy to get? Say I spent 2 years at a company (with a limited contract), then they want me to stay for another project, then is it normally, in the German software industry, that I will get a permanent contract or should I negotiate for it?
And what about entering a new company after 2 years of experience, is it easy to get a permanent contract from the very beginning? Or are there special conditions for it?
job-search contracts germany entry-level
asked May 4 '15 at 14:32
Jack Twain
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asked May 4 '15 at 14:32
Jack Twain
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asked May 4 '15 at 14:32
Jack Twain
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asked May 4 '15 at 14:32
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closed as off-topic by IDrinkandIKnowThings, gnat, scaaahu, Myles, Chris E May 9 '15 at 18:38
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- "Questions asking for advice on what to do are not practical answerable questions (e.g. "what job should I take?", or "what skills should I learn?"). Questions should get answers explaining why and how to make a decision, not advice on what to do. For more information, click here." – IDrinkandIKnowThings, gnat, scaaahu, Myles
closed as off-topic by IDrinkandIKnowThings, gnat, scaaahu, Myles, Chris E May 9 '15 at 18:38
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- "Questions asking for advice on what to do are not practical answerable questions (e.g. "what job should I take?", or "what skills should I learn?"). Questions should get answers explaining why and how to make a decision, not advice on what to do. For more information, click here." – IDrinkandIKnowThings, gnat, scaaahu, Myles
@Pepone a brief run through the questions most seem fine enough for workplace, this question seems the least fitting for workplace and I'd still put it on the positive side of grey, only because I think it doesn't have really a solid answer rather will likely be subjective/opinion based (Makes sense, guys got a lot of questions and technically we're supposed to have one question per post) And while this is an English site it's not an "Americans only" site. We've actually got a fairly large number of users from India here.
– RualStorge
May 4 '15 at 15:12
@RualStorge thanks. That's why I have the same stupid cliche introduction in all of my questions. To avoid having my questions marked "too broad".
– Jack Twain
May 4 '15 at 15:15
2
@Pepone take care to read this post and remember what comments are intended for. Thanks.
– Elysian Fields♦
May 4 '15 at 15:51
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@Pepone a brief run through the questions most seem fine enough for workplace, this question seems the least fitting for workplace and I'd still put it on the positive side of grey, only because I think it doesn't have really a solid answer rather will likely be subjective/opinion based (Makes sense, guys got a lot of questions and technically we're supposed to have one question per post) And while this is an English site it's not an "Americans only" site. We've actually got a fairly large number of users from India here.
– RualStorge
May 4 '15 at 15:12
@RualStorge thanks. That's why I have the same stupid cliche introduction in all of my questions. To avoid having my questions marked "too broad".
– Jack Twain
May 4 '15 at 15:15
2
@Pepone take care to read this post and remember what comments are intended for. Thanks.
– Elysian Fields♦
May 4 '15 at 15:51
@Pepone a brief run through the questions most seem fine enough for workplace, this question seems the least fitting for workplace and I'd still put it on the positive side of grey, only because I think it doesn't have really a solid answer rather will likely be subjective/opinion based (Makes sense, guys got a lot of questions and technically we're supposed to have one question per post) And while this is an English site it's not an "Americans only" site. We've actually got a fairly large number of users from India here.
– RualStorge
May 4 '15 at 15:12
@Pepone a brief run through the questions most seem fine enough for workplace, this question seems the least fitting for workplace and I'd still put it on the positive side of grey, only because I think it doesn't have really a solid answer rather will likely be subjective/opinion based (Makes sense, guys got a lot of questions and technically we're supposed to have one question per post) And while this is an English site it's not an "Americans only" site. We've actually got a fairly large number of users from India here.
– RualStorge
May 4 '15 at 15:12
@RualStorge thanks. That's why I have the same stupid cliche introduction in all of my questions. To avoid having my questions marked "too broad".
– Jack Twain
May 4 '15 at 15:15
@RualStorge thanks. That's why I have the same stupid cliche introduction in all of my questions. To avoid having my questions marked "too broad".
– Jack Twain
May 4 '15 at 15:15
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2
@Pepone take care to read this post and remember what comments are intended for. Thanks.
– Elysian Fields♦
May 4 '15 at 15:51
@Pepone take care to read this post and remember what comments are intended for. Thanks.
– Elysian Fields♦
May 4 '15 at 15:51
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Permanent employment is considered the standard way of employment in Germany.
If you are looking in online job portals, you will find more permanent than limited contract positions.
Getting a permanent contract should not be any harder than getting a temporary one.
answered May 4 '15 at 15:14
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Clear and to the point. The awesome German style. Thank you so much.
– Jack Twain
May 4 '15 at 15:16
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+1. It may well be harder to land a limited contract in Germany than a permanent one.
– Stephan Kolassa
May 4 '15 at 16:00
@StephanKolassa but this is strange. Why is that? I would assume the opposite!
– Jack Twain
May 4 '15 at 16:21
@JackTwain I guess it's tradition. It is my impression that many Germans stick with their job for life, once they've found one they like. Btw, I'm a software developer in Germany and when I first started jobhunting 3 years ago, the Arbeitsamt told me there were 2 to 5 times as many open positions as applicants at that time, depending on region. And considering the trouble we have to get good applicants, it's probably still the case. So if you're a decent programmer, go get a job you'll like, with a permanent contract. There's no need to settle for less.
– Sumyrda
May 4 '15 at 16:50
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As @Sumyrda says. Germans, as a rule, place a high premium on stability. So on the one hand, if you are willing to settle for a non-permanent position, the prospective employer will wonder why that is and whether you will soon be gone. And conversely, the employer will usually want someone for the long haul, since that is what most applicants are interested in. It's really something of a chicken & egg problem, and a cultural thing.
– Stephan Kolassa
May 4 '15 at 17:37
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Well, "easy" is a pretty subjective word.
That said, I am under the impression (myself working in Germany as well) that the market is quite good for the applicants.
There are many open positions.
Of course, your question is very general. The main factors playing a role are:
Location : many positions in Berlin and Munich, a bit less in other places
Exact field : Big data and Web/app programming are booming in Berlin, Embedded software programming in Munich for example.
Now, about the "permanent" part of the contract, I believe it is standard.
answered May 4 '15 at 14:44
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Permanent employment is considered the standard way of employment in Germany.
If you are looking in online job portals, you will find more permanent than limited contract positions.
Getting a permanent contract should not be any harder than getting a temporary one.
answered May 4 '15 at 15:14
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Clear and to the point. The awesome German style. Thank you so much.
– Jack Twain
May 4 '15 at 15:16
2
+1. It may well be harder to land a limited contract in Germany than a permanent one.
– Stephan Kolassa
May 4 '15 at 16:00
@StephanKolassa but this is strange. Why is that? I would assume the opposite!
– Jack Twain
May 4 '15 at 16:21
@JackTwain I guess it's tradition. It is my impression that many Germans stick with their job for life, once they've found one they like. Btw, I'm a software developer in Germany and when I first started jobhunting 3 years ago, the Arbeitsamt told me there were 2 to 5 times as many open positions as applicants at that time, depending on region. And considering the trouble we have to get good applicants, it's probably still the case. So if you're a decent programmer, go get a job you'll like, with a permanent contract. There's no need to settle for less.
– Sumyrda
May 4 '15 at 16:50
2
As @Sumyrda says. Germans, as a rule, place a high premium on stability. So on the one hand, if you are willing to settle for a non-permanent position, the prospective employer will wonder why that is and whether you will soon be gone. And conversely, the employer will usually want someone for the long haul, since that is what most applicants are interested in. It's really something of a chicken & egg problem, and a cultural thing.
– Stephan Kolassa
May 4 '15 at 17:37
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up vote
6
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Permanent employment is considered the standard way of employment in Germany.
If you are looking in online job portals, you will find more permanent than limited contract positions.
Getting a permanent contract should not be any harder than getting a temporary one.
answered May 4 '15 at 15:14
nvoigt
42.6k18105147
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Clear and to the point. The awesome German style. Thank you so much.
– Jack Twain
May 4 '15 at 15:16
2
+1. It may well be harder to land a limited contract in Germany than a permanent one.
– Stephan Kolassa
May 4 '15 at 16:00
@StephanKolassa but this is strange. Why is that? I would assume the opposite!
– Jack Twain
May 4 '15 at 16:21
@JackTwain I guess it's tradition. It is my impression that many Germans stick with their job for life, once they've found one they like. Btw, I'm a software developer in Germany and when I first started jobhunting 3 years ago, the Arbeitsamt told me there were 2 to 5 times as many open positions as applicants at that time, depending on region. And considering the trouble we have to get good applicants, it's probably still the case. So if you're a decent programmer, go get a job you'll like, with a permanent contract. There's no need to settle for less.
– Sumyrda
May 4 '15 at 16:50
2
As @Sumyrda says. Germans, as a rule, place a high premium on stability. So on the one hand, if you are willing to settle for a non-permanent position, the prospective employer will wonder why that is and whether you will soon be gone. And conversely, the employer will usually want someone for the long haul, since that is what most applicants are interested in. It's really something of a chicken & egg problem, and a cultural thing.
– Stephan Kolassa
May 4 '15 at 17:37
 |Â
show 2 more comments
up vote
6
down vote
accepted
up vote
6
down vote
accepted
Permanent employment is considered the standard way of employment in Germany.
If you are looking in online job portals, you will find more permanent than limited contract positions.
Getting a permanent contract should not be any harder than getting a temporary one.
answered May 4 '15 at 15:14
nvoigt
42.6k18105147
Permanent employment is considered the standard way of employment in Germany.
If you are looking in online job portals, you will find more permanent than limited contract positions.
Getting a permanent contract should not be any harder than getting a temporary one.
answered May 4 '15 at 15:14
nvoigt
42.6k18105147
answered May 4 '15 at 15:14
nvoigt
42.6k18105147
answered May 4 '15 at 15:14
nvoigt
42.6k18105147
answered May 4 '15 at 15:14
nvoigt
42.6k18105147
42.6k18105147
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Clear and to the point. The awesome German style. Thank you so much.
– Jack Twain
May 4 '15 at 15:16
2
+1. It may well be harder to land a limited contract in Germany than a permanent one.
– Stephan Kolassa
May 4 '15 at 16:00
@StephanKolassa but this is strange. Why is that? I would assume the opposite!
– Jack Twain
May 4 '15 at 16:21
@JackTwain I guess it's tradition. It is my impression that many Germans stick with their job for life, once they've found one they like. Btw, I'm a software developer in Germany and when I first started jobhunting 3 years ago, the Arbeitsamt told me there were 2 to 5 times as many open positions as applicants at that time, depending on region. And considering the trouble we have to get good applicants, it's probably still the case. So if you're a decent programmer, go get a job you'll like, with a permanent contract. There's no need to settle for less.
– Sumyrda
May 4 '15 at 16:50
2
As @Sumyrda says. Germans, as a rule, place a high premium on stability. So on the one hand, if you are willing to settle for a non-permanent position, the prospective employer will wonder why that is and whether you will soon be gone. And conversely, the employer will usually want someone for the long haul, since that is what most applicants are interested in. It's really something of a chicken & egg problem, and a cultural thing.
– Stephan Kolassa
May 4 '15 at 17:37
 |Â
show 2 more comments
2
Clear and to the point. The awesome German style. Thank you so much.
– Jack Twain
May 4 '15 at 15:16
2
+1. It may well be harder to land a limited contract in Germany than a permanent one.
– Stephan Kolassa
May 4 '15 at 16:00
@StephanKolassa but this is strange. Why is that? I would assume the opposite!
– Jack Twain
May 4 '15 at 16:21
@JackTwain I guess it's tradition. It is my impression that many Germans stick with their job for life, once they've found one they like. Btw, I'm a software developer in Germany and when I first started jobhunting 3 years ago, the Arbeitsamt told me there were 2 to 5 times as many open positions as applicants at that time, depending on region. And considering the trouble we have to get good applicants, it's probably still the case. So if you're a decent programmer, go get a job you'll like, with a permanent contract. There's no need to settle for less.
– Sumyrda
May 4 '15 at 16:50
2
As @Sumyrda says. Germans, as a rule, place a high premium on stability. So on the one hand, if you are willing to settle for a non-permanent position, the prospective employer will wonder why that is and whether you will soon be gone. And conversely, the employer will usually want someone for the long haul, since that is what most applicants are interested in. It's really something of a chicken & egg problem, and a cultural thing.
– Stephan Kolassa
May 4 '15 at 17:37
2
2
Clear and to the point. The awesome German style. Thank you so much.
– Jack Twain
May 4 '15 at 15:16
Clear and to the point. The awesome German style. Thank you so much.
– Jack Twain
May 4 '15 at 15:16
2
2
+1. It may well be harder to land a limited contract in Germany than a permanent one.
– Stephan Kolassa
May 4 '15 at 16:00
+1. It may well be harder to land a limited contract in Germany than a permanent one.
– Stephan Kolassa
May 4 '15 at 16:00
@StephanKolassa but this is strange. Why is that? I would assume the opposite!
– Jack Twain
May 4 '15 at 16:21
@StephanKolassa but this is strange. Why is that? I would assume the opposite!
– Jack Twain
May 4 '15 at 16:21
@JackTwain I guess it's tradition. It is my impression that many Germans stick with their job for life, once they've found one they like. Btw, I'm a software developer in Germany and when I first started jobhunting 3 years ago, the Arbeitsamt told me there were 2 to 5 times as many open positions as applicants at that time, depending on region. And considering the trouble we have to get good applicants, it's probably still the case. So if you're a decent programmer, go get a job you'll like, with a permanent contract. There's no need to settle for less.
– Sumyrda
May 4 '15 at 16:50
@JackTwain I guess it's tradition. It is my impression that many Germans stick with their job for life, once they've found one they like. Btw, I'm a software developer in Germany and when I first started jobhunting 3 years ago, the Arbeitsamt told me there were 2 to 5 times as many open positions as applicants at that time, depending on region. And considering the trouble we have to get good applicants, it's probably still the case. So if you're a decent programmer, go get a job you'll like, with a permanent contract. There's no need to settle for less.
– Sumyrda
May 4 '15 at 16:50
2
2
As @Sumyrda says. Germans, as a rule, place a high premium on stability. So on the one hand, if you are willing to settle for a non-permanent position, the prospective employer will wonder why that is and whether you will soon be gone. And conversely, the employer will usually want someone for the long haul, since that is what most applicants are interested in. It's really something of a chicken & egg problem, and a cultural thing.
– Stephan Kolassa
May 4 '15 at 17:37
As @Sumyrda says. Germans, as a rule, place a high premium on stability. So on the one hand, if you are willing to settle for a non-permanent position, the prospective employer will wonder why that is and whether you will soon be gone. And conversely, the employer will usually want someone for the long haul, since that is what most applicants are interested in. It's really something of a chicken & egg problem, and a cultural thing.
– Stephan Kolassa
May 4 '15 at 17:37
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Well, "easy" is a pretty subjective word.
That said, I am under the impression (myself working in Germany as well) that the market is quite good for the applicants.
There are many open positions.
Of course, your question is very general. The main factors playing a role are:
Location : many positions in Berlin and Munich, a bit less in other places
Exact field : Big data and Web/app programming are booming in Berlin, Embedded software programming in Munich for example.
Now, about the "permanent" part of the contract, I believe it is standard.
answered May 4 '15 at 14:44
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Well, "easy" is a pretty subjective word.
That said, I am under the impression (myself working in Germany as well) that the market is quite good for the applicants.
There are many open positions.
Of course, your question is very general. The main factors playing a role are:
Location : many positions in Berlin and Munich, a bit less in other places
Exact field : Big data and Web/app programming are booming in Berlin, Embedded software programming in Munich for example.
Now, about the "permanent" part of the contract, I believe it is standard.
answered May 4 '15 at 14:44
Puzzled
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Well, "easy" is a pretty subjective word.
That said, I am under the impression (myself working in Germany as well) that the market is quite good for the applicants.
There are many open positions.
Of course, your question is very general. The main factors playing a role are:
Location : many positions in Berlin and Munich, a bit less in other places
Exact field : Big data and Web/app programming are booming in Berlin, Embedded software programming in Munich for example.
Now, about the "permanent" part of the contract, I believe it is standard.
answered May 4 '15 at 14:44
Puzzled
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Well, "easy" is a pretty subjective word.
That said, I am under the impression (myself working in Germany as well) that the market is quite good for the applicants.
There are many open positions.
Of course, your question is very general. The main factors playing a role are:
Location : many positions in Berlin and Munich, a bit less in other places
Exact field : Big data and Web/app programming are booming in Berlin, Embedded software programming in Munich for example.
Now, about the "permanent" part of the contract, I believe it is standard.
answered May 4 '15 at 14:44
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@Pepone a brief run through the questions most seem fine enough for workplace, this question seems the least fitting for workplace and I'd still put it on the positive side of grey, only because I think it doesn't have really a solid answer rather will likely be subjective/opinion based (Makes sense, guys got a lot of questions and technically we're supposed to have one question per post) And while this is an English site it's not an "Americans only" site. We've actually got a fairly large number of users from India here.
– RualStorge
May 4 '15 at 15:12
@RualStorge thanks. That's why I have the same stupid cliche introduction in all of my questions. To avoid having my questions marked "too broad".
– Jack Twain
May 4 '15 at 15:15
2
@Pepone take care to read this post and remember what comments are intended for. Thanks.
– Elysian Fields♦
May 4 '15 at 15:51