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Recently I was helping a more senior developer write up a training manual document for a niche part of an application that some other developers use but have troubles with getting their head around. The Senior Dev sent me over a draft of the document (it's very laid back sort of document, not very formal at all) and I added to it with my own thoughts/experience of the application. Afterwards, we had a 45-minute discussion of it and I expressed my thoughts about things we should highlight to other developers (pitfalls, most useful tricks etc) and he agreed with me.
So today I was forwarded an email by my manager where the senior developer was praising me quite profoundly for my input and help on the subject and several higher management tier people saw the email. I am very very grateful for the praise that he has given me and I was wondering, what is the most appropriate way to thank him for reporting on me in such a manner? I was thinking of just ringing him and saying "I saw the mail you sent and I just wanted to thank you personally for that I really appreciate it." (or equivalent) but I'm not sure if that is professionally OK to do?
What's the normal approach for thanking a senior who has praised you to senior management?
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Recently I was helping a more senior developer write up a training manual document for a niche part of an application that some other developers use but have troubles with getting their head around. The Senior Dev sent me over a draft of the document (it's very laid back sort of document, not very formal at all) and I added to it with my own thoughts/experience of the application. Afterwards, we had a 45-minute discussion of it and I expressed my thoughts about things we should highlight to other developers (pitfalls, most useful tricks etc) and he agreed with me.
So today I was forwarded an email by my manager where the senior developer was praising me quite profoundly for my input and help on the subject and several higher management tier people saw the email. I am very very grateful for the praise that he has given me and I was wondering, what is the most appropriate way to thank him for reporting on me in such a manner? I was thinking of just ringing him and saying "I saw the mail you sent and I just wanted to thank you personally for that I really appreciate it." (or equivalent) but I'm not sure if that is professionally OK to do?
What's the normal approach for thanking a senior who has praised you to senior management?
professionalism team performance-reviews coworking
edited Nov 13 '15 at 15:33
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You could always buy him a drink over lunch or something along those lines. If that's not your style, then a simple "Thank You" will suffice.
– AndreiROM
Nov 13 '15 at 15:25
I can't think of a situation where expressing your sincere appreciation wouldn't be appropriate professionally, especially when you are thanking someone for something specific and work related.
– ColleenV
Nov 13 '15 at 15:32
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Recently I was helping a more senior developer write up a training manual document for a niche part of an application that some other developers use but have troubles with getting their head around. The Senior Dev sent me over a draft of the document (it's very laid back sort of document, not very formal at all) and I added to it with my own thoughts/experience of the application. Afterwards, we had a 45-minute discussion of it and I expressed my thoughts about things we should highlight to other developers (pitfalls, most useful tricks etc) and he agreed with me.
So today I was forwarded an email by my manager where the senior developer was praising me quite profoundly for my input and help on the subject and several higher management tier people saw the email. I am very very grateful for the praise that he has given me and I was wondering, what is the most appropriate way to thank him for reporting on me in such a manner? I was thinking of just ringing him and saying "I saw the mail you sent and I just wanted to thank you personally for that I really appreciate it." (or equivalent) but I'm not sure if that is professionally OK to do?
What's the normal approach for thanking a senior who has praised you to senior management?
professionalism team performance-reviews coworking
edited Nov 13 '15 at 15:33
Dawny33
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asked Nov 13 '15 at 15:07
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Recently I was helping a more senior developer write up a training manual document for a niche part of an application that some other developers use but have troubles with getting their head around. The Senior Dev sent me over a draft of the document (it's very laid back sort of document, not very formal at all) and I added to it with my own thoughts/experience of the application. Afterwards, we had a 45-minute discussion of it and I expressed my thoughts about things we should highlight to other developers (pitfalls, most useful tricks etc) and he agreed with me.
So today I was forwarded an email by my manager where the senior developer was praising me quite profoundly for my input and help on the subject and several higher management tier people saw the email. I am very very grateful for the praise that he has given me and I was wondering, what is the most appropriate way to thank him for reporting on me in such a manner? I was thinking of just ringing him and saying "I saw the mail you sent and I just wanted to thank you personally for that I really appreciate it." (or equivalent) but I'm not sure if that is professionally OK to do?
What's the normal approach for thanking a senior who has praised you to senior management?
professionalism team performance-reviews coworking
edited Nov 13 '15 at 15:33
Dawny33
12.2k34563
asked Nov 13 '15 at 15:07
Dexter Whelan
446
edited Nov 13 '15 at 15:33
Dawny33
12.2k34563
edited Nov 13 '15 at 15:33
Dawny33
12.2k34563
edited Nov 13 '15 at 15:33
Dawny33
12.2k34563
12.2k34563
asked Nov 13 '15 at 15:07
Dexter Whelan
446
asked Nov 13 '15 at 15:07
Dexter Whelan
446
asked Nov 13 '15 at 15:07
Dexter Whelan
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You could always buy him a drink over lunch or something along those lines. If that's not your style, then a simple "Thank You" will suffice.
– AndreiROM
Nov 13 '15 at 15:25
I can't think of a situation where expressing your sincere appreciation wouldn't be appropriate professionally, especially when you are thanking someone for something specific and work related.
– ColleenV
Nov 13 '15 at 15:32
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You could always buy him a drink over lunch or something along those lines. If that's not your style, then a simple "Thank You" will suffice.
– AndreiROM
Nov 13 '15 at 15:25
I can't think of a situation where expressing your sincere appreciation wouldn't be appropriate professionally, especially when you are thanking someone for something specific and work related.
– ColleenV
Nov 13 '15 at 15:32
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You could always buy him a drink over lunch or something along those lines. If that's not your style, then a simple "Thank You" will suffice.
– AndreiROM
Nov 13 '15 at 15:25
You could always buy him a drink over lunch or something along those lines. If that's not your style, then a simple "Thank You" will suffice.
– AndreiROM
Nov 13 '15 at 15:25
I can't think of a situation where expressing your sincere appreciation wouldn't be appropriate professionally, especially when you are thanking someone for something specific and work related.
– ColleenV
Nov 13 '15 at 15:32
I can't think of a situation where expressing your sincere appreciation wouldn't be appropriate professionally, especially when you are thanking someone for something specific and work related.
– ColleenV
Nov 13 '15 at 15:32
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Yes, please go ahead and thank him. It would make him feel good and also would respect you more, as it is a nice gesture, and there's nothing wrong with it.
And what you wrote:
I saw the mail you sent and I just wanted to thank you personally for
that I really appreciate it.
seems perfectly fine. So, go ahead and thank him.
answered Nov 13 '15 at 15:15
Dawny33
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It's what I usually do when I get such an email. As an aside to the OP, I also make it a point to give out the same kind of praise as you got when appropriate. It's a good habit to get into. It makes people more willing to work with you and it builds relationships. Think about how you feel about this senior dev right now. Don;t you want others to think about you that way?
– HLGEM
Nov 13 '15 at 15:26
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Just a detail: I'd drop the word "personally" - it's obviously a personal thankyou as it's direct.Hi, I saw the email you sent and just wanted to thank you, I really appreciate itis similarly short and to the point, but a little more concise (which makes it, I think, sound slightly more sincere)
– Jon Story
Nov 13 '15 at 15:51
+1 absolutely agree, also Jon's comment to drop the 'personally' would be a small improvement. One reason why it's good in an email is that people like these sorts of notes, when searching mail in the future they will re-read this several times and remember you in a good light.
– Kilisi
Nov 13 '15 at 21:07
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I would just keep it short but sweet and in passing.
Something along the lines of "Thanks for the praise, I appreciate it".
It is always nice to be appreciated.
answered Nov 13 '15 at 15:15
Terry
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While I agree in general, I'm really not sure on your phrasing: it sounds...wrong. I can't quite put my finger on why, but it almost feels sarcastic/flippant.
– Jon Story
Nov 13 '15 at 15:50
Is that better @jon story
– Terry
Nov 13 '15 at 15:51
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I think it's mostly the "praise" I'm seeing the problem with. "Thanks for the praise" just sounds wrong to me. Possibly my inbuilt British preference towards modesty. "I saw the email you sent yesterday and wanted to thank you" seems more sincere, as it's more something you would say in person. A thankyou email should usually be informal (as if you were thanking them verbally) to carry sincerity, and I can't imagine the phrase "Thanks for the praise" passing my lips.
– Jon Story
Nov 13 '15 at 15:54
1
@JonStory: Maybe I'm more modest than the average American (hmm, is that a modest comment?), but I agree that "Thanks for the praise" reads/sounds odd. I'd go with something like "Thank you for the kind words.", "Than you for highlighting my contribution.", or just "Thank you."
– GreenMatt
Nov 13 '15 at 16:02
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@GreenMatt - I like your suggestions
– Jon Story
Nov 13 '15 at 16:07
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Yes, please go ahead and thank him. It would make him feel good and also would respect you more, as it is a nice gesture, and there's nothing wrong with it.
And what you wrote:
I saw the mail you sent and I just wanted to thank you personally for
that I really appreciate it.
seems perfectly fine. So, go ahead and thank him.
answered Nov 13 '15 at 15:15
Dawny33
12.2k34563
1
It's what I usually do when I get such an email. As an aside to the OP, I also make it a point to give out the same kind of praise as you got when appropriate. It's a good habit to get into. It makes people more willing to work with you and it builds relationships. Think about how you feel about this senior dev right now. Don;t you want others to think about you that way?
– HLGEM
Nov 13 '15 at 15:26
1
Just a detail: I'd drop the word "personally" - it's obviously a personal thankyou as it's direct.Hi, I saw the email you sent and just wanted to thank you, I really appreciate itis similarly short and to the point, but a little more concise (which makes it, I think, sound slightly more sincere)
– Jon Story
Nov 13 '15 at 15:51
+1 absolutely agree, also Jon's comment to drop the 'personally' would be a small improvement. One reason why it's good in an email is that people like these sorts of notes, when searching mail in the future they will re-read this several times and remember you in a good light.
– Kilisi
Nov 13 '15 at 21:07
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
12
down vote
Yes, please go ahead and thank him. It would make him feel good and also would respect you more, as it is a nice gesture, and there's nothing wrong with it.
And what you wrote:
I saw the mail you sent and I just wanted to thank you personally for
that I really appreciate it.
seems perfectly fine. So, go ahead and thank him.
answered Nov 13 '15 at 15:15
Dawny33
12.2k34563
1
It's what I usually do when I get such an email. As an aside to the OP, I also make it a point to give out the same kind of praise as you got when appropriate. It's a good habit to get into. It makes people more willing to work with you and it builds relationships. Think about how you feel about this senior dev right now. Don;t you want others to think about you that way?
– HLGEM
Nov 13 '15 at 15:26
1
Just a detail: I'd drop the word "personally" - it's obviously a personal thankyou as it's direct.Hi, I saw the email you sent and just wanted to thank you, I really appreciate itis similarly short and to the point, but a little more concise (which makes it, I think, sound slightly more sincere)
– Jon Story
Nov 13 '15 at 15:51
+1 absolutely agree, also Jon's comment to drop the 'personally' would be a small improvement. One reason why it's good in an email is that people like these sorts of notes, when searching mail in the future they will re-read this several times and remember you in a good light.
– Kilisi
Nov 13 '15 at 21:07
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up vote
12
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up vote
12
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Yes, please go ahead and thank him. It would make him feel good and also would respect you more, as it is a nice gesture, and there's nothing wrong with it.
And what you wrote:
I saw the mail you sent and I just wanted to thank you personally for
that I really appreciate it.
seems perfectly fine. So, go ahead and thank him.
answered Nov 13 '15 at 15:15
Dawny33
12.2k34563
Yes, please go ahead and thank him. It would make him feel good and also would respect you more, as it is a nice gesture, and there's nothing wrong with it.
And what you wrote:
I saw the mail you sent and I just wanted to thank you personally for
that I really appreciate it.
seems perfectly fine. So, go ahead and thank him.
answered Nov 13 '15 at 15:15
Dawny33
12.2k34563
answered Nov 13 '15 at 15:15
Dawny33
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answered Nov 13 '15 at 15:15
Dawny33
12.2k34563
answered Nov 13 '15 at 15:15
Dawny33
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It's what I usually do when I get such an email. As an aside to the OP, I also make it a point to give out the same kind of praise as you got when appropriate. It's a good habit to get into. It makes people more willing to work with you and it builds relationships. Think about how you feel about this senior dev right now. Don;t you want others to think about you that way?
– HLGEM
Nov 13 '15 at 15:26
1
Just a detail: I'd drop the word "personally" - it's obviously a personal thankyou as it's direct.Hi, I saw the email you sent and just wanted to thank you, I really appreciate itis similarly short and to the point, but a little more concise (which makes it, I think, sound slightly more sincere)
– Jon Story
Nov 13 '15 at 15:51
+1 absolutely agree, also Jon's comment to drop the 'personally' would be a small improvement. One reason why it's good in an email is that people like these sorts of notes, when searching mail in the future they will re-read this several times and remember you in a good light.
– Kilisi
Nov 13 '15 at 21:07
suggest improvements |Â
1
It's what I usually do when I get such an email. As an aside to the OP, I also make it a point to give out the same kind of praise as you got when appropriate. It's a good habit to get into. It makes people more willing to work with you and it builds relationships. Think about how you feel about this senior dev right now. Don;t you want others to think about you that way?
– HLGEM
Nov 13 '15 at 15:26
1
Just a detail: I'd drop the word "personally" - it's obviously a personal thankyou as it's direct.Hi, I saw the email you sent and just wanted to thank you, I really appreciate itis similarly short and to the point, but a little more concise (which makes it, I think, sound slightly more sincere)
– Jon Story
Nov 13 '15 at 15:51
+1 absolutely agree, also Jon's comment to drop the 'personally' would be a small improvement. One reason why it's good in an email is that people like these sorts of notes, when searching mail in the future they will re-read this several times and remember you in a good light.
– Kilisi
Nov 13 '15 at 21:07
1
1
It's what I usually do when I get such an email. As an aside to the OP, I also make it a point to give out the same kind of praise as you got when appropriate. It's a good habit to get into. It makes people more willing to work with you and it builds relationships. Think about how you feel about this senior dev right now. Don;t you want others to think about you that way?
– HLGEM
Nov 13 '15 at 15:26
It's what I usually do when I get such an email. As an aside to the OP, I also make it a point to give out the same kind of praise as you got when appropriate. It's a good habit to get into. It makes people more willing to work with you and it builds relationships. Think about how you feel about this senior dev right now. Don;t you want others to think about you that way?
– HLGEM
Nov 13 '15 at 15:26
1
1
Just a detail: I'd drop the word "personally" - it's obviously a personal thankyou as it's direct.
Hi, I saw the email you sent and just wanted to thank you, I really appreciate it is similarly short and to the point, but a little more concise (which makes it, I think, sound slightly more sincere)– Jon Story
Nov 13 '15 at 15:51
Just a detail: I'd drop the word "personally" - it's obviously a personal thankyou as it's direct.
Hi, I saw the email you sent and just wanted to thank you, I really appreciate it is similarly short and to the point, but a little more concise (which makes it, I think, sound slightly more sincere)– Jon Story
Nov 13 '15 at 15:51
+1 absolutely agree, also Jon's comment to drop the 'personally' would be a small improvement. One reason why it's good in an email is that people like these sorts of notes, when searching mail in the future they will re-read this several times and remember you in a good light.
– Kilisi
Nov 13 '15 at 21:07
+1 absolutely agree, also Jon's comment to drop the 'personally' would be a small improvement. One reason why it's good in an email is that people like these sorts of notes, when searching mail in the future they will re-read this several times and remember you in a good light.
– Kilisi
Nov 13 '15 at 21:07
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I would just keep it short but sweet and in passing.
Something along the lines of "Thanks for the praise, I appreciate it".
It is always nice to be appreciated.
answered Nov 13 '15 at 15:15
Terry
1,0062920
While I agree in general, I'm really not sure on your phrasing: it sounds...wrong. I can't quite put my finger on why, but it almost feels sarcastic/flippant.
– Jon Story
Nov 13 '15 at 15:50
Is that better @jon story
– Terry
Nov 13 '15 at 15:51
1
I think it's mostly the "praise" I'm seeing the problem with. "Thanks for the praise" just sounds wrong to me. Possibly my inbuilt British preference towards modesty. "I saw the email you sent yesterday and wanted to thank you" seems more sincere, as it's more something you would say in person. A thankyou email should usually be informal (as if you were thanking them verbally) to carry sincerity, and I can't imagine the phrase "Thanks for the praise" passing my lips.
– Jon Story
Nov 13 '15 at 15:54
1
@JonStory: Maybe I'm more modest than the average American (hmm, is that a modest comment?), but I agree that "Thanks for the praise" reads/sounds odd. I'd go with something like "Thank you for the kind words.", "Than you for highlighting my contribution.", or just "Thank you."
– GreenMatt
Nov 13 '15 at 16:02
1
@GreenMatt - I like your suggestions
– Jon Story
Nov 13 '15 at 16:07
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2
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I would just keep it short but sweet and in passing.
Something along the lines of "Thanks for the praise, I appreciate it".
It is always nice to be appreciated.
answered Nov 13 '15 at 15:15
Terry
1,0062920
While I agree in general, I'm really not sure on your phrasing: it sounds...wrong. I can't quite put my finger on why, but it almost feels sarcastic/flippant.
– Jon Story
Nov 13 '15 at 15:50
Is that better @jon story
– Terry
Nov 13 '15 at 15:51
1
I think it's mostly the "praise" I'm seeing the problem with. "Thanks for the praise" just sounds wrong to me. Possibly my inbuilt British preference towards modesty. "I saw the email you sent yesterday and wanted to thank you" seems more sincere, as it's more something you would say in person. A thankyou email should usually be informal (as if you were thanking them verbally) to carry sincerity, and I can't imagine the phrase "Thanks for the praise" passing my lips.
– Jon Story
Nov 13 '15 at 15:54
1
@JonStory: Maybe I'm more modest than the average American (hmm, is that a modest comment?), but I agree that "Thanks for the praise" reads/sounds odd. I'd go with something like "Thank you for the kind words.", "Than you for highlighting my contribution.", or just "Thank you."
– GreenMatt
Nov 13 '15 at 16:02
1
@GreenMatt - I like your suggestions
– Jon Story
Nov 13 '15 at 16:07
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up vote
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I would just keep it short but sweet and in passing.
Something along the lines of "Thanks for the praise, I appreciate it".
It is always nice to be appreciated.
answered Nov 13 '15 at 15:15
Terry
1,0062920
I would just keep it short but sweet and in passing.
Something along the lines of "Thanks for the praise, I appreciate it".
It is always nice to be appreciated.
answered Nov 13 '15 at 15:15
Terry
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edited Nov 13 '15 at 15:51
answered Nov 13 '15 at 15:15
Terry
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answered Nov 13 '15 at 15:15
Terry
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answered Nov 13 '15 at 15:15
Terry
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While I agree in general, I'm really not sure on your phrasing: it sounds...wrong. I can't quite put my finger on why, but it almost feels sarcastic/flippant.
– Jon Story
Nov 13 '15 at 15:50
Is that better @jon story
– Terry
Nov 13 '15 at 15:51
1
I think it's mostly the "praise" I'm seeing the problem with. "Thanks for the praise" just sounds wrong to me. Possibly my inbuilt British preference towards modesty. "I saw the email you sent yesterday and wanted to thank you" seems more sincere, as it's more something you would say in person. A thankyou email should usually be informal (as if you were thanking them verbally) to carry sincerity, and I can't imagine the phrase "Thanks for the praise" passing my lips.
– Jon Story
Nov 13 '15 at 15:54
1
@JonStory: Maybe I'm more modest than the average American (hmm, is that a modest comment?), but I agree that "Thanks for the praise" reads/sounds odd. I'd go with something like "Thank you for the kind words.", "Than you for highlighting my contribution.", or just "Thank you."
– GreenMatt
Nov 13 '15 at 16:02
1
@GreenMatt - I like your suggestions
– Jon Story
Nov 13 '15 at 16:07
suggest improvements |Â
While I agree in general, I'm really not sure on your phrasing: it sounds...wrong. I can't quite put my finger on why, but it almost feels sarcastic/flippant.
– Jon Story
Nov 13 '15 at 15:50
Is that better @jon story
– Terry
Nov 13 '15 at 15:51
1
I think it's mostly the "praise" I'm seeing the problem with. "Thanks for the praise" just sounds wrong to me. Possibly my inbuilt British preference towards modesty. "I saw the email you sent yesterday and wanted to thank you" seems more sincere, as it's more something you would say in person. A thankyou email should usually be informal (as if you were thanking them verbally) to carry sincerity, and I can't imagine the phrase "Thanks for the praise" passing my lips.
– Jon Story
Nov 13 '15 at 15:54
1
@JonStory: Maybe I'm more modest than the average American (hmm, is that a modest comment?), but I agree that "Thanks for the praise" reads/sounds odd. I'd go with something like "Thank you for the kind words.", "Than you for highlighting my contribution.", or just "Thank you."
– GreenMatt
Nov 13 '15 at 16:02
1
@GreenMatt - I like your suggestions
– Jon Story
Nov 13 '15 at 16:07
While I agree in general, I'm really not sure on your phrasing: it sounds...wrong. I can't quite put my finger on why, but it almost feels sarcastic/flippant.
– Jon Story
Nov 13 '15 at 15:50
While I agree in general, I'm really not sure on your phrasing: it sounds...wrong. I can't quite put my finger on why, but it almost feels sarcastic/flippant.
– Jon Story
Nov 13 '15 at 15:50
Is that better @jon story
– Terry
Nov 13 '15 at 15:51
Is that better @jon story
– Terry
Nov 13 '15 at 15:51
1
1
I think it's mostly the "praise" I'm seeing the problem with. "Thanks for the praise" just sounds wrong to me. Possibly my inbuilt British preference towards modesty. "I saw the email you sent yesterday and wanted to thank you" seems more sincere, as it's more something you would say in person. A thankyou email should usually be informal (as if you were thanking them verbally) to carry sincerity, and I can't imagine the phrase "Thanks for the praise" passing my lips.
– Jon Story
Nov 13 '15 at 15:54
I think it's mostly the "praise" I'm seeing the problem with. "Thanks for the praise" just sounds wrong to me. Possibly my inbuilt British preference towards modesty. "I saw the email you sent yesterday and wanted to thank you" seems more sincere, as it's more something you would say in person. A thankyou email should usually be informal (as if you were thanking them verbally) to carry sincerity, and I can't imagine the phrase "Thanks for the praise" passing my lips.
– Jon Story
Nov 13 '15 at 15:54
1
1
@JonStory: Maybe I'm more modest than the average American (hmm, is that a modest comment?), but I agree that "Thanks for the praise" reads/sounds odd. I'd go with something like "Thank you for the kind words.", "Than you for highlighting my contribution.", or just "Thank you."
– GreenMatt
Nov 13 '15 at 16:02
@JonStory: Maybe I'm more modest than the average American (hmm, is that a modest comment?), but I agree that "Thanks for the praise" reads/sounds odd. I'd go with something like "Thank you for the kind words.", "Than you for highlighting my contribution.", or just "Thank you."
– GreenMatt
Nov 13 '15 at 16:02
1
1
@GreenMatt - I like your suggestions
– Jon Story
Nov 13 '15 at 16:07
@GreenMatt - I like your suggestions
– Jon Story
Nov 13 '15 at 16:07
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You could always buy him a drink over lunch or something along those lines. If that's not your style, then a simple "Thank You" will suffice.
– AndreiROM
Nov 13 '15 at 15:25
I can't think of a situation where expressing your sincere appreciation wouldn't be appropriate professionally, especially when you are thanking someone for something specific and work related.
– ColleenV
Nov 13 '15 at 15:32