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How to interview for a job in the tech industry, with long hours and without a formal PTO policy at current job?
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There are questions about "how to interview with a job, when you already have a job". These boil down to a few suggestions, which are difficult to apply in my situation:
- "Use a vacation day". My company doesn't have vacation days or sick days - when someone goes on vacation, they just sort of do. There's not really a policy about it. Also, when people are sick, they will just WFH and are generally on Slack, ready to reply to anyone who mentions them, so pretending to be sick isn't an option either.
- "Do it during lunch" - this is the tech industry, so interviews last for at least a few hours, if not all day. Google interviews, for example, take an entire day.
- "Do it after work" - I usually work from 9am to around 7:30pm most days, so that won't be a practical option. Any company that would have staff interviewing someone at that time (so, working at that time) would be one that I'd want to rule out on my end anyways.
- "Pretend to have a doctor's appointment" - those also don't typically take 4+ hours.
I'm really not sure what to do in this situation, but I'm sure plenty of other startup employees have been in this position before. How have they solved this?
interviewing startup tech-industry
asked Dec 31 '15 at 1:57
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There are questions about "how to interview with a job, when you already have a job". These boil down to a few suggestions, which are difficult to apply in my situation:
- "Use a vacation day". My company doesn't have vacation days or sick days - when someone goes on vacation, they just sort of do. There's not really a policy about it. Also, when people are sick, they will just WFH and are generally on Slack, ready to reply to anyone who mentions them, so pretending to be sick isn't an option either.
- "Do it during lunch" - this is the tech industry, so interviews last for at least a few hours, if not all day. Google interviews, for example, take an entire day.
- "Do it after work" - I usually work from 9am to around 7:30pm most days, so that won't be a practical option. Any company that would have staff interviewing someone at that time (so, working at that time) would be one that I'd want to rule out on my end anyways.
- "Pretend to have a doctor's appointment" - those also don't typically take 4+ hours.
I'm really not sure what to do in this situation, but I'm sure plenty of other startup employees have been in this position before. How have they solved this?
interviewing startup tech-industry
asked Dec 31 '15 at 1:57
so2
1986
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So when you get hit by a car and end up in hospital for a week, what happens? Does your boss eventually get around to calling you and say "hey, I've noticed you haven't been around much?"
– Móż
Dec 31 '15 at 3:56
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Possibly by doing interviews on weekends or off hours but you seem to want to think a company going the extra mile for you would be a bad thing.
– JB King
Dec 31 '15 at 17:33
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Possible duplicate of How do I secure an interview with another company during the day, when I have no vacation time at my current job?
– The Wandering Dev Manager
Jan 2 '16 at 16:13
My company doesn't have vacation days or sick days - when someone goes on vacation, they just sort of do. Well, just sort of do that then.
– Grimm The Opiner
Jun 13 '17 at 10:58
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There are questions about "how to interview with a job, when you already have a job". These boil down to a few suggestions, which are difficult to apply in my situation:
- "Use a vacation day". My company doesn't have vacation days or sick days - when someone goes on vacation, they just sort of do. There's not really a policy about it. Also, when people are sick, they will just WFH and are generally on Slack, ready to reply to anyone who mentions them, so pretending to be sick isn't an option either.
- "Do it during lunch" - this is the tech industry, so interviews last for at least a few hours, if not all day. Google interviews, for example, take an entire day.
- "Do it after work" - I usually work from 9am to around 7:30pm most days, so that won't be a practical option. Any company that would have staff interviewing someone at that time (so, working at that time) would be one that I'd want to rule out on my end anyways.
- "Pretend to have a doctor's appointment" - those also don't typically take 4+ hours.
I'm really not sure what to do in this situation, but I'm sure plenty of other startup employees have been in this position before. How have they solved this?
interviewing startup tech-industry
asked Dec 31 '15 at 1:57
so2
1986
There are questions about "how to interview with a job, when you already have a job". These boil down to a few suggestions, which are difficult to apply in my situation:
- "Use a vacation day". My company doesn't have vacation days or sick days - when someone goes on vacation, they just sort of do. There's not really a policy about it. Also, when people are sick, they will just WFH and are generally on Slack, ready to reply to anyone who mentions them, so pretending to be sick isn't an option either.
- "Do it during lunch" - this is the tech industry, so interviews last for at least a few hours, if not all day. Google interviews, for example, take an entire day.
- "Do it after work" - I usually work from 9am to around 7:30pm most days, so that won't be a practical option. Any company that would have staff interviewing someone at that time (so, working at that time) would be one that I'd want to rule out on my end anyways.
- "Pretend to have a doctor's appointment" - those also don't typically take 4+ hours.
I'm really not sure what to do in this situation, but I'm sure plenty of other startup employees have been in this position before. How have they solved this?
interviewing startup tech-industry
asked Dec 31 '15 at 1:57
so2
1986
asked Dec 31 '15 at 1:57
so2
1986
asked Dec 31 '15 at 1:57
so2
1986
asked Dec 31 '15 at 1:57
so2
1986
1986
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So when you get hit by a car and end up in hospital for a week, what happens? Does your boss eventually get around to calling you and say "hey, I've noticed you haven't been around much?"
– Móż
Dec 31 '15 at 3:56
1
Possibly by doing interviews on weekends or off hours but you seem to want to think a company going the extra mile for you would be a bad thing.
– JB King
Dec 31 '15 at 17:33
2
Possible duplicate of How do I secure an interview with another company during the day, when I have no vacation time at my current job?
– The Wandering Dev Manager
Jan 2 '16 at 16:13
My company doesn't have vacation days or sick days - when someone goes on vacation, they just sort of do. Well, just sort of do that then.
– Grimm The Opiner
Jun 13 '17 at 10:58
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So when you get hit by a car and end up in hospital for a week, what happens? Does your boss eventually get around to calling you and say "hey, I've noticed you haven't been around much?"
– Móż
Dec 31 '15 at 3:56
1
Possibly by doing interviews on weekends or off hours but you seem to want to think a company going the extra mile for you would be a bad thing.
– JB King
Dec 31 '15 at 17:33
2
Possible duplicate of How do I secure an interview with another company during the day, when I have no vacation time at my current job?
– The Wandering Dev Manager
Jan 2 '16 at 16:13
My company doesn't have vacation days or sick days - when someone goes on vacation, they just sort of do. Well, just sort of do that then.
– Grimm The Opiner
Jun 13 '17 at 10:58
1
1
So when you get hit by a car and end up in hospital for a week, what happens? Does your boss eventually get around to calling you and say "hey, I've noticed you haven't been around much?"
– Móż
Dec 31 '15 at 3:56
So when you get hit by a car and end up in hospital for a week, what happens? Does your boss eventually get around to calling you and say "hey, I've noticed you haven't been around much?"
– Móż
Dec 31 '15 at 3:56
1
1
Possibly by doing interviews on weekends or off hours but you seem to want to think a company going the extra mile for you would be a bad thing.
– JB King
Dec 31 '15 at 17:33
Possibly by doing interviews on weekends or off hours but you seem to want to think a company going the extra mile for you would be a bad thing.
– JB King
Dec 31 '15 at 17:33
2
2
Possible duplicate of How do I secure an interview with another company during the day, when I have no vacation time at my current job?
– The Wandering Dev Manager
Jan 2 '16 at 16:13
Possible duplicate of How do I secure an interview with another company during the day, when I have no vacation time at my current job?
– The Wandering Dev Manager
Jan 2 '16 at 16:13
My company doesn't have vacation days or sick days - when someone goes on vacation, they just sort of do. Well, just sort of do that then.– Grimm The Opiner
Jun 13 '17 at 10:58
My company doesn't have vacation days or sick days - when someone goes on vacation, they just sort of do. Well, just sort of do that then.– Grimm The Opiner
Jun 13 '17 at 10:58
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Your reasons for not trying seem to be based on what you think might be the case. The reality is, busy people who work at busy companies get new jobs all the time. You need to actually schedule an interview before you'll know whether any of your "reasons" apply to that specific company.
My company doesn't have vacation days or sick days - when someone goes on vacation, they just sort of do.
Then just take a day off like everyone else does. Notify your team in the usual ways that the team notifies each other. Job interviews rarely come as a surprise, so you should be able to plan at least a few days ahead.
But wait... You're probably thinking "But what if they ask why I need the day off?" Try this...
We've all been working long hours and I need to see to some things at home before they become problems.
In case they press you further, have a list of things that you intend to do that day, so you can be honest. You don't have to tell them everything you plan to do that day.
Ok, that works for one day, but what about having to take more than one day here and there?
Well, in this case, if you can't reasonably take a day here and there, or a half-day, etc., then you really should take a little time away for lunch, and maybe go out and network with friends for an hour. That might make the job hunt a little easier, and you might be able to get an inside track on another job through a friend, where the interview process can be expedited.
Now for the rest of your concerns...
...this is the tech industry, so interviews last for at least a few hours, if not all day. Google interviews, for example, take an entire day.
Not true. It depends on the company holding the interview. Don't sit on the sidelines just because you think the interview process will require long hours. Schedule the interview and found out for sure what the time commitment will be.
Any company that would have staff interviewing someone at that time (so, working at that time) would be one that I'd want to rule out on my end anyways.
Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe the company understands that there are good people working in tough situations and are willing to be accommodating. Again, you won't know until you try. Don't shut down an opportunity because of unfounded preconceived notions.
"Pretend to have a doctor's appointment"
You're right to be uncomfortable with this option. Be honest. It really is the best way to go. You'll never have to worry about unraveling a lie (or a lie unraveling itself, which they seem to always do, eventually) if you just don't tell lies.
answered Dec 31 '15 at 2:31
Kent A.
19.2k75575
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Don't sit on the sidelines just because you think the interview process will require long hours.Absolutely! My last job interview earlier this year for a tech role was about 45 minutes. My previous interview (also for a tech role) was about the same.
– Jane S♦
Dec 31 '15 at 2:53
Then just take a day off like everyone else does.No one does this, though - it's always a few weeks in advance, and the time taken off is at least a week - it's for vacations. We don't really do "personal days".
– so2
Dec 31 '15 at 3:23
@so2 Is there anyone who sends out a message on your team Slack saying they'll be a bit late getting into the office, or that they're running out for a quick errand? That's personal time, whatever you call it (or don't call it).
– Kent A.
Dec 31 '15 at 3:28
7
@so2 Grow a backbone! If people are "allowed" to take a week off, nobody is going to care if you take a single day off. If you're so concerned, take a Mon/Fri off and call it a long weekend.
– jpatokal
Dec 31 '15 at 4:59
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Your reasons for not trying seem to be based on what you think might be the case. The reality is, busy people who work at busy companies get new jobs all the time. You need to actually schedule an interview before you'll know whether any of your "reasons" apply to that specific company.
My company doesn't have vacation days or sick days - when someone goes on vacation, they just sort of do.
Then just take a day off like everyone else does. Notify your team in the usual ways that the team notifies each other. Job interviews rarely come as a surprise, so you should be able to plan at least a few days ahead.
But wait... You're probably thinking "But what if they ask why I need the day off?" Try this...
We've all been working long hours and I need to see to some things at home before they become problems.
In case they press you further, have a list of things that you intend to do that day, so you can be honest. You don't have to tell them everything you plan to do that day.
Ok, that works for one day, but what about having to take more than one day here and there?
Well, in this case, if you can't reasonably take a day here and there, or a half-day, etc., then you really should take a little time away for lunch, and maybe go out and network with friends for an hour. That might make the job hunt a little easier, and you might be able to get an inside track on another job through a friend, where the interview process can be expedited.
Now for the rest of your concerns...
...this is the tech industry, so interviews last for at least a few hours, if not all day. Google interviews, for example, take an entire day.
Not true. It depends on the company holding the interview. Don't sit on the sidelines just because you think the interview process will require long hours. Schedule the interview and found out for sure what the time commitment will be.
Any company that would have staff interviewing someone at that time (so, working at that time) would be one that I'd want to rule out on my end anyways.
Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe the company understands that there are good people working in tough situations and are willing to be accommodating. Again, you won't know until you try. Don't shut down an opportunity because of unfounded preconceived notions.
"Pretend to have a doctor's appointment"
You're right to be uncomfortable with this option. Be honest. It really is the best way to go. You'll never have to worry about unraveling a lie (or a lie unraveling itself, which they seem to always do, eventually) if you just don't tell lies.
answered Dec 31 '15 at 2:31
Kent A.
19.2k75575
2
Don't sit on the sidelines just because you think the interview process will require long hours.Absolutely! My last job interview earlier this year for a tech role was about 45 minutes. My previous interview (also for a tech role) was about the same.
– Jane S♦
Dec 31 '15 at 2:53
Then just take a day off like everyone else does.No one does this, though - it's always a few weeks in advance, and the time taken off is at least a week - it's for vacations. We don't really do "personal days".
– so2
Dec 31 '15 at 3:23
@so2 Is there anyone who sends out a message on your team Slack saying they'll be a bit late getting into the office, or that they're running out for a quick errand? That's personal time, whatever you call it (or don't call it).
– Kent A.
Dec 31 '15 at 3:28
7
@so2 Grow a backbone! If people are "allowed" to take a week off, nobody is going to care if you take a single day off. If you're so concerned, take a Mon/Fri off and call it a long weekend.
– jpatokal
Dec 31 '15 at 4:59
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
13
down vote
accepted
Your reasons for not trying seem to be based on what you think might be the case. The reality is, busy people who work at busy companies get new jobs all the time. You need to actually schedule an interview before you'll know whether any of your "reasons" apply to that specific company.
My company doesn't have vacation days or sick days - when someone goes on vacation, they just sort of do.
Then just take a day off like everyone else does. Notify your team in the usual ways that the team notifies each other. Job interviews rarely come as a surprise, so you should be able to plan at least a few days ahead.
But wait... You're probably thinking "But what if they ask why I need the day off?" Try this...
We've all been working long hours and I need to see to some things at home before they become problems.
In case they press you further, have a list of things that you intend to do that day, so you can be honest. You don't have to tell them everything you plan to do that day.
Ok, that works for one day, but what about having to take more than one day here and there?
Well, in this case, if you can't reasonably take a day here and there, or a half-day, etc., then you really should take a little time away for lunch, and maybe go out and network with friends for an hour. That might make the job hunt a little easier, and you might be able to get an inside track on another job through a friend, where the interview process can be expedited.
Now for the rest of your concerns...
...this is the tech industry, so interviews last for at least a few hours, if not all day. Google interviews, for example, take an entire day.
Not true. It depends on the company holding the interview. Don't sit on the sidelines just because you think the interview process will require long hours. Schedule the interview and found out for sure what the time commitment will be.
Any company that would have staff interviewing someone at that time (so, working at that time) would be one that I'd want to rule out on my end anyways.
Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe the company understands that there are good people working in tough situations and are willing to be accommodating. Again, you won't know until you try. Don't shut down an opportunity because of unfounded preconceived notions.
"Pretend to have a doctor's appointment"
You're right to be uncomfortable with this option. Be honest. It really is the best way to go. You'll never have to worry about unraveling a lie (or a lie unraveling itself, which they seem to always do, eventually) if you just don't tell lies.
answered Dec 31 '15 at 2:31
Kent A.
19.2k75575
2
Don't sit on the sidelines just because you think the interview process will require long hours.Absolutely! My last job interview earlier this year for a tech role was about 45 minutes. My previous interview (also for a tech role) was about the same.
– Jane S♦
Dec 31 '15 at 2:53
Then just take a day off like everyone else does.No one does this, though - it's always a few weeks in advance, and the time taken off is at least a week - it's for vacations. We don't really do "personal days".
– so2
Dec 31 '15 at 3:23
@so2 Is there anyone who sends out a message on your team Slack saying they'll be a bit late getting into the office, or that they're running out for a quick errand? That's personal time, whatever you call it (or don't call it).
– Kent A.
Dec 31 '15 at 3:28
7
@so2 Grow a backbone! If people are "allowed" to take a week off, nobody is going to care if you take a single day off. If you're so concerned, take a Mon/Fri off and call it a long weekend.
– jpatokal
Dec 31 '15 at 4:59
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
13
down vote
accepted
up vote
13
down vote
accepted
Your reasons for not trying seem to be based on what you think might be the case. The reality is, busy people who work at busy companies get new jobs all the time. You need to actually schedule an interview before you'll know whether any of your "reasons" apply to that specific company.
My company doesn't have vacation days or sick days - when someone goes on vacation, they just sort of do.
Then just take a day off like everyone else does. Notify your team in the usual ways that the team notifies each other. Job interviews rarely come as a surprise, so you should be able to plan at least a few days ahead.
But wait... You're probably thinking "But what if they ask why I need the day off?" Try this...
We've all been working long hours and I need to see to some things at home before they become problems.
In case they press you further, have a list of things that you intend to do that day, so you can be honest. You don't have to tell them everything you plan to do that day.
Ok, that works for one day, but what about having to take more than one day here and there?
Well, in this case, if you can't reasonably take a day here and there, or a half-day, etc., then you really should take a little time away for lunch, and maybe go out and network with friends for an hour. That might make the job hunt a little easier, and you might be able to get an inside track on another job through a friend, where the interview process can be expedited.
Now for the rest of your concerns...
...this is the tech industry, so interviews last for at least a few hours, if not all day. Google interviews, for example, take an entire day.
Not true. It depends on the company holding the interview. Don't sit on the sidelines just because you think the interview process will require long hours. Schedule the interview and found out for sure what the time commitment will be.
Any company that would have staff interviewing someone at that time (so, working at that time) would be one that I'd want to rule out on my end anyways.
Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe the company understands that there are good people working in tough situations and are willing to be accommodating. Again, you won't know until you try. Don't shut down an opportunity because of unfounded preconceived notions.
"Pretend to have a doctor's appointment"
You're right to be uncomfortable with this option. Be honest. It really is the best way to go. You'll never have to worry about unraveling a lie (or a lie unraveling itself, which they seem to always do, eventually) if you just don't tell lies.
answered Dec 31 '15 at 2:31
Kent A.
19.2k75575
Your reasons for not trying seem to be based on what you think might be the case. The reality is, busy people who work at busy companies get new jobs all the time. You need to actually schedule an interview before you'll know whether any of your "reasons" apply to that specific company.
My company doesn't have vacation days or sick days - when someone goes on vacation, they just sort of do.
Then just take a day off like everyone else does. Notify your team in the usual ways that the team notifies each other. Job interviews rarely come as a surprise, so you should be able to plan at least a few days ahead.
But wait... You're probably thinking "But what if they ask why I need the day off?" Try this...
We've all been working long hours and I need to see to some things at home before they become problems.
In case they press you further, have a list of things that you intend to do that day, so you can be honest. You don't have to tell them everything you plan to do that day.
Ok, that works for one day, but what about having to take more than one day here and there?
Well, in this case, if you can't reasonably take a day here and there, or a half-day, etc., then you really should take a little time away for lunch, and maybe go out and network with friends for an hour. That might make the job hunt a little easier, and you might be able to get an inside track on another job through a friend, where the interview process can be expedited.
Now for the rest of your concerns...
...this is the tech industry, so interviews last for at least a few hours, if not all day. Google interviews, for example, take an entire day.
Not true. It depends on the company holding the interview. Don't sit on the sidelines just because you think the interview process will require long hours. Schedule the interview and found out for sure what the time commitment will be.
Any company that would have staff interviewing someone at that time (so, working at that time) would be one that I'd want to rule out on my end anyways.
Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe the company understands that there are good people working in tough situations and are willing to be accommodating. Again, you won't know until you try. Don't shut down an opportunity because of unfounded preconceived notions.
"Pretend to have a doctor's appointment"
You're right to be uncomfortable with this option. Be honest. It really is the best way to go. You'll never have to worry about unraveling a lie (or a lie unraveling itself, which they seem to always do, eventually) if you just don't tell lies.
answered Dec 31 '15 at 2:31
Kent A.
19.2k75575
answered Dec 31 '15 at 2:31
Kent A.
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answered Dec 31 '15 at 2:31
Kent A.
19.2k75575
answered Dec 31 '15 at 2:31
Kent A.
19.2k75575
19.2k75575
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Don't sit on the sidelines just because you think the interview process will require long hours.Absolutely! My last job interview earlier this year for a tech role was about 45 minutes. My previous interview (also for a tech role) was about the same.
– Jane S♦
Dec 31 '15 at 2:53
Then just take a day off like everyone else does.No one does this, though - it's always a few weeks in advance, and the time taken off is at least a week - it's for vacations. We don't really do "personal days".
– so2
Dec 31 '15 at 3:23
@so2 Is there anyone who sends out a message on your team Slack saying they'll be a bit late getting into the office, or that they're running out for a quick errand? That's personal time, whatever you call it (or don't call it).
– Kent A.
Dec 31 '15 at 3:28
7
@so2 Grow a backbone! If people are "allowed" to take a week off, nobody is going to care if you take a single day off. If you're so concerned, take a Mon/Fri off and call it a long weekend.
– jpatokal
Dec 31 '15 at 4:59
suggest improvements |Â
2
Don't sit on the sidelines just because you think the interview process will require long hours.Absolutely! My last job interview earlier this year for a tech role was about 45 minutes. My previous interview (also for a tech role) was about the same.
– Jane S♦
Dec 31 '15 at 2:53
Then just take a day off like everyone else does.No one does this, though - it's always a few weeks in advance, and the time taken off is at least a week - it's for vacations. We don't really do "personal days".
– so2
Dec 31 '15 at 3:23
@so2 Is there anyone who sends out a message on your team Slack saying they'll be a bit late getting into the office, or that they're running out for a quick errand? That's personal time, whatever you call it (or don't call it).
– Kent A.
Dec 31 '15 at 3:28
7
@so2 Grow a backbone! If people are "allowed" to take a week off, nobody is going to care if you take a single day off. If you're so concerned, take a Mon/Fri off and call it a long weekend.
– jpatokal
Dec 31 '15 at 4:59
2
2
Don't sit on the sidelines just because you think the interview process will require long hours. Absolutely! My last job interview earlier this year for a tech role was about 45 minutes. My previous interview (also for a tech role) was about the same.– Jane S♦
Dec 31 '15 at 2:53
Don't sit on the sidelines just because you think the interview process will require long hours. Absolutely! My last job interview earlier this year for a tech role was about 45 minutes. My previous interview (also for a tech role) was about the same.– Jane S♦
Dec 31 '15 at 2:53
Then just take a day off like everyone else does. No one does this, though - it's always a few weeks in advance, and the time taken off is at least a week - it's for vacations. We don't really do "personal days".– so2
Dec 31 '15 at 3:23
Then just take a day off like everyone else does. No one does this, though - it's always a few weeks in advance, and the time taken off is at least a week - it's for vacations. We don't really do "personal days".– so2
Dec 31 '15 at 3:23
@so2 Is there anyone who sends out a message on your team Slack saying they'll be a bit late getting into the office, or that they're running out for a quick errand? That's personal time, whatever you call it (or don't call it).
– Kent A.
Dec 31 '15 at 3:28
@so2 Is there anyone who sends out a message on your team Slack saying they'll be a bit late getting into the office, or that they're running out for a quick errand? That's personal time, whatever you call it (or don't call it).
– Kent A.
Dec 31 '15 at 3:28
7
7
@so2 Grow a backbone! If people are "allowed" to take a week off, nobody is going to care if you take a single day off. If you're so concerned, take a Mon/Fri off and call it a long weekend.
– jpatokal
Dec 31 '15 at 4:59
@so2 Grow a backbone! If people are "allowed" to take a week off, nobody is going to care if you take a single day off. If you're so concerned, take a Mon/Fri off and call it a long weekend.
– jpatokal
Dec 31 '15 at 4:59
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So when you get hit by a car and end up in hospital for a week, what happens? Does your boss eventually get around to calling you and say "hey, I've noticed you haven't been around much?"
– Móż
Dec 31 '15 at 3:56
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Possibly by doing interviews on weekends or off hours but you seem to want to think a company going the extra mile for you would be a bad thing.
– JB King
Dec 31 '15 at 17:33
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Possible duplicate of How do I secure an interview with another company during the day, when I have no vacation time at my current job?
– The Wandering Dev Manager
Jan 2 '16 at 16:13
My company doesn't have vacation days or sick days - when someone goes on vacation, they just sort of do. Well, just sort of do that then.– Grimm The Opiner
Jun 13 '17 at 10:58