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I'm a software engineer and have been working for my current employer for a pretty long while. During this time I have always been a top performer in the teams I have worked in which was well-recognized by both my direct managers and the senior management of the company. Despite of this my salary has always been significantly lower than the market levels for my experience/skills which was due to the fact that I started at a very low salary (intern level) and never negotiated raises (but I was given few 5-10% ones) until a few months ago when I managed to negotiate about 50% increase. I interviewed at other companies in the past few months and I had an offer for an additional 25-30% salary increase, but turned it down for personal reasons. I am pretty sure that if I talk with my boss I can negotiate this 25% increase at my current company as well, but I have been there for way too long and don't see any perspective for future development, so I will most probably continue searching for another job even if I get an increase.
I was wondering - does it make sense to ask for an increase and continue looking for a new job nevertheless? I am pretty indecisive about switching jobs (i.e. I haven't been interviewing for about 2 months now, although I am absolutely dissatisfied with my current position) so it may take another 1-2-3 months before I start a new job and I won't refuse to take a salary, adequate for my skills during this time, but will it look bad if I get an increase and quit a month later? On the one hand my employer has been paying me ridiculous salaries years on row, but on the other I don't want to burn bridges (basically for the time being my employer loves me, since they made hundreads of thousands due to my naivety)
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asked Mar 14 '16 at 21:03
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I'm a software engineer and have been working for my current employer for a pretty long while. During this time I have always been a top performer in the teams I have worked in which was well-recognized by both my direct managers and the senior management of the company. Despite of this my salary has always been significantly lower than the market levels for my experience/skills which was due to the fact that I started at a very low salary (intern level) and never negotiated raises (but I was given few 5-10% ones) until a few months ago when I managed to negotiate about 50% increase. I interviewed at other companies in the past few months and I had an offer for an additional 25-30% salary increase, but turned it down for personal reasons. I am pretty sure that if I talk with my boss I can negotiate this 25% increase at my current company as well, but I have been there for way too long and don't see any perspective for future development, so I will most probably continue searching for another job even if I get an increase.
I was wondering - does it make sense to ask for an increase and continue looking for a new job nevertheless? I am pretty indecisive about switching jobs (i.e. I haven't been interviewing for about 2 months now, although I am absolutely dissatisfied with my current position) so it may take another 1-2-3 months before I start a new job and I won't refuse to take a salary, adequate for my skills during this time, but will it look bad if I get an increase and quit a month later? On the one hand my employer has been paying me ridiculous salaries years on row, but on the other I don't want to burn bridges (basically for the time being my employer loves me, since they made hundreads of thousands due to my naivety)
professionalism quitting raise
asked Mar 14 '16 at 21:03
John Smith
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closed as off-topic by Jim G., Joe Strazzere, Dawny33, HopelessN00b, gnat Mar 15 '16 at 4:23
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My starting salary was extremely low for the profession (basically I could be making the same amount of money working a job that does not require any qualification/education) so the increases didn't really make it that large anyway.
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Mar 14 '16 at 23:07
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I'm a software engineer and have been working for my current employer for a pretty long while. During this time I have always been a top performer in the teams I have worked in which was well-recognized by both my direct managers and the senior management of the company. Despite of this my salary has always been significantly lower than the market levels for my experience/skills which was due to the fact that I started at a very low salary (intern level) and never negotiated raises (but I was given few 5-10% ones) until a few months ago when I managed to negotiate about 50% increase. I interviewed at other companies in the past few months and I had an offer for an additional 25-30% salary increase, but turned it down for personal reasons. I am pretty sure that if I talk with my boss I can negotiate this 25% increase at my current company as well, but I have been there for way too long and don't see any perspective for future development, so I will most probably continue searching for another job even if I get an increase.
I was wondering - does it make sense to ask for an increase and continue looking for a new job nevertheless? I am pretty indecisive about switching jobs (i.e. I haven't been interviewing for about 2 months now, although I am absolutely dissatisfied with my current position) so it may take another 1-2-3 months before I start a new job and I won't refuse to take a salary, adequate for my skills during this time, but will it look bad if I get an increase and quit a month later? On the one hand my employer has been paying me ridiculous salaries years on row, but on the other I don't want to burn bridges (basically for the time being my employer loves me, since they made hundreads of thousands due to my naivety)
professionalism quitting raise
asked Mar 14 '16 at 21:03
John Smith
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I'm a software engineer and have been working for my current employer for a pretty long while. During this time I have always been a top performer in the teams I have worked in which was well-recognized by both my direct managers and the senior management of the company. Despite of this my salary has always been significantly lower than the market levels for my experience/skills which was due to the fact that I started at a very low salary (intern level) and never negotiated raises (but I was given few 5-10% ones) until a few months ago when I managed to negotiate about 50% increase. I interviewed at other companies in the past few months and I had an offer for an additional 25-30% salary increase, but turned it down for personal reasons. I am pretty sure that if I talk with my boss I can negotiate this 25% increase at my current company as well, but I have been there for way too long and don't see any perspective for future development, so I will most probably continue searching for another job even if I get an increase.
I was wondering - does it make sense to ask for an increase and continue looking for a new job nevertheless? I am pretty indecisive about switching jobs (i.e. I haven't been interviewing for about 2 months now, although I am absolutely dissatisfied with my current position) so it may take another 1-2-3 months before I start a new job and I won't refuse to take a salary, adequate for my skills during this time, but will it look bad if I get an increase and quit a month later? On the one hand my employer has been paying me ridiculous salaries years on row, but on the other I don't want to burn bridges (basically for the time being my employer loves me, since they made hundreads of thousands due to my naivety)
professionalism quitting raise
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John Smith
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asked Mar 14 '16 at 21:03
John Smith
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asked Mar 14 '16 at 21:03
John Smith
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closed as off-topic by Jim G., Joe Strazzere, Dawny33, HopelessN00b, gnat Mar 15 '16 at 4:23
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- "Questions asking for advice on what to do are not practical answerable questions (e.g. "what job should I take?", or "what skills should I learn?"). Questions should get answers explaining why and how to make a decision, not advice on what to do. For more information, click here." – Jim G., Joe Strazzere, Dawny33, HopelessN00b, gnat
My starting salary was extremely low for the profession (basically I could be making the same amount of money working a job that does not require any qualification/education) so the increases didn't really make it that large anyway.
– John Smith
Mar 14 '16 at 23:07
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My starting salary was extremely low for the profession (basically I could be making the same amount of money working a job that does not require any qualification/education) so the increases didn't really make it that large anyway.
– John Smith
Mar 14 '16 at 23:07
My starting salary was extremely low for the profession (basically I could be making the same amount of money working a job that does not require any qualification/education) so the increases didn't really make it that large anyway.
– John Smith
Mar 14 '16 at 23:07
My starting salary was extremely low for the profession (basically I could be making the same amount of money working a job that does not require any qualification/education) so the increases didn't really make it that large anyway.
– John Smith
Mar 14 '16 at 23:07
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I would consider it bad faith to ask for a raise if you know you are about to leave. If you are on the fence, and a raise is the difference between leaving and staying, then it is not uncommon to try to leverage an offer to a raise. But if you know you are leaving regardless, then IMHO it makes sense to leave on good terms.
answered Mar 14 '16 at 22:40
MealyPotatoes
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On the one hand I totally agree with you, on the other - if I get this raise I will only be getting what everyone else at the company is already making and I don't know how soon I will find a new job so it is probable that I stay for another 2-3 months. Currently I'm in a terrible position where my payment is much below market level (despite the raise I already got) and even below the salary level at my company (and that's actually always been the case but I started paying attention to it only recently).
– John Smith
Mar 14 '16 at 22:51
FYI - Long term employees are almost always below market rates. This generally means you are going to be making less than new hires at your same level at your company.
– Dunk
Mar 16 '16 at 21:47
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Wether it's fair or not, future employers will ask for your current salary. Having a competitive salary now will help you then.
Just be aware that you will be burning some serious bridges here. Your management likely had to do a lot to get you that 50% and getting even more then leaving will leave them feeling burned.
At the end of the day though, it is your career and you have to watch out for yourself.
answered Mar 14 '16 at 21:12
Bill Leeper
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The OP was asking if it was in bad taste to request an additional 25% increase to leverage in a salary negotiation with a different company. I think it would be. He would be better off negotiating that increase in his new position and that way would not have to burn bridges with his current employer.
– Bronco
May 9 '17 at 17:54
@Bronco I would agree with what you said, I may have misread the question. It is only in very rare situations where it is a problem making too much.
– Bill Leeper
May 9 '17 at 17:56
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It sounds like you're having trouble assessing your real worth. It's definitely worth investing your time in understanding what your market value really is, since you apparently just negotiated a bad deal for yourself. You can only go back to the well, so to speak, so many times. Consider your 6 possibilities:
- you ask for more, you get more, you stay: win, but you're now a crank
- you ask for more, you don't get more, you stay: lose, raises will be harder to come by in the future
- you ask for more, you get more, you leave: win, you have more and you have a higher "previous salary" to negotiate your next job
- you ask for more, you don't get more, you leave: win, you showed that salary was an issue
- you don't ask for more, you don't get more, you stay: lose, you're leaving money on the table
- you don't ask for more, you don't get more, you leave: win, you get more elsewhere
If you do ask, you lose in a quarter of the cases. If you don't ask, you lose half the time. But if you know you're going to leave, you win either way by asking. So why not find something interesting, and ask for a counter-offer before the deal closes?
answered Mar 14 '16 at 21:19
jimm101
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There is a very limited number of times you can do this--because no one wants to deal with an employee who renegotiates salary every few months. If you get a new position at a higher rate, then yes, you can ask for counter from your old company--but keep in mind that you won't get a raise in the next cycle, and maybe another after that, and you may lose out on any bonus/stock options/other goodies the company offers. Be prepared to leave if they say no.
– jimm101
Mar 14 '16 at 21:53
Yep, thanks - I definitely won't ask for a counter offer. But I have talked with guys who are at my level/role at the company and I'm pretty sure that they are getting exactly my salary + 20-25%, so basically I won't be asking for anything more than what everyone else is paid and this seems totally fair to me.
– John Smith
Mar 14 '16 at 22:06
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3 Answers
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I would consider it bad faith to ask for a raise if you know you are about to leave. If you are on the fence, and a raise is the difference between leaving and staying, then it is not uncommon to try to leverage an offer to a raise. But if you know you are leaving regardless, then IMHO it makes sense to leave on good terms.
answered Mar 14 '16 at 22:40
MealyPotatoes
4,76621220
On the one hand I totally agree with you, on the other - if I get this raise I will only be getting what everyone else at the company is already making and I don't know how soon I will find a new job so it is probable that I stay for another 2-3 months. Currently I'm in a terrible position where my payment is much below market level (despite the raise I already got) and even below the salary level at my company (and that's actually always been the case but I started paying attention to it only recently).
– John Smith
Mar 14 '16 at 22:51
FYI - Long term employees are almost always below market rates. This generally means you are going to be making less than new hires at your same level at your company.
– Dunk
Mar 16 '16 at 21:47
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up vote
5
down vote
accepted
I would consider it bad faith to ask for a raise if you know you are about to leave. If you are on the fence, and a raise is the difference between leaving and staying, then it is not uncommon to try to leverage an offer to a raise. But if you know you are leaving regardless, then IMHO it makes sense to leave on good terms.
answered Mar 14 '16 at 22:40
MealyPotatoes
4,76621220
On the one hand I totally agree with you, on the other - if I get this raise I will only be getting what everyone else at the company is already making and I don't know how soon I will find a new job so it is probable that I stay for another 2-3 months. Currently I'm in a terrible position where my payment is much below market level (despite the raise I already got) and even below the salary level at my company (and that's actually always been the case but I started paying attention to it only recently).
– John Smith
Mar 14 '16 at 22:51
FYI - Long term employees are almost always below market rates. This generally means you are going to be making less than new hires at your same level at your company.
– Dunk
Mar 16 '16 at 21:47
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
5
down vote
accepted
up vote
5
down vote
accepted
I would consider it bad faith to ask for a raise if you know you are about to leave. If you are on the fence, and a raise is the difference between leaving and staying, then it is not uncommon to try to leverage an offer to a raise. But if you know you are leaving regardless, then IMHO it makes sense to leave on good terms.
answered Mar 14 '16 at 22:40
MealyPotatoes
4,76621220
I would consider it bad faith to ask for a raise if you know you are about to leave. If you are on the fence, and a raise is the difference between leaving and staying, then it is not uncommon to try to leverage an offer to a raise. But if you know you are leaving regardless, then IMHO it makes sense to leave on good terms.
answered Mar 14 '16 at 22:40
MealyPotatoes
4,76621220
answered Mar 14 '16 at 22:40
MealyPotatoes
4,76621220
answered Mar 14 '16 at 22:40
MealyPotatoes
4,76621220
answered Mar 14 '16 at 22:40
MealyPotatoes
4,76621220
4,76621220
On the one hand I totally agree with you, on the other - if I get this raise I will only be getting what everyone else at the company is already making and I don't know how soon I will find a new job so it is probable that I stay for another 2-3 months. Currently I'm in a terrible position where my payment is much below market level (despite the raise I already got) and even below the salary level at my company (and that's actually always been the case but I started paying attention to it only recently).
– John Smith
Mar 14 '16 at 22:51
FYI - Long term employees are almost always below market rates. This generally means you are going to be making less than new hires at your same level at your company.
– Dunk
Mar 16 '16 at 21:47
suggest improvements |Â
On the one hand I totally agree with you, on the other - if I get this raise I will only be getting what everyone else at the company is already making and I don't know how soon I will find a new job so it is probable that I stay for another 2-3 months. Currently I'm in a terrible position where my payment is much below market level (despite the raise I already got) and even below the salary level at my company (and that's actually always been the case but I started paying attention to it only recently).
– John Smith
Mar 14 '16 at 22:51
FYI - Long term employees are almost always below market rates. This generally means you are going to be making less than new hires at your same level at your company.
– Dunk
Mar 16 '16 at 21:47
On the one hand I totally agree with you, on the other - if I get this raise I will only be getting what everyone else at the company is already making and I don't know how soon I will find a new job so it is probable that I stay for another 2-3 months. Currently I'm in a terrible position where my payment is much below market level (despite the raise I already got) and even below the salary level at my company (and that's actually always been the case but I started paying attention to it only recently).
– John Smith
Mar 14 '16 at 22:51
On the one hand I totally agree with you, on the other - if I get this raise I will only be getting what everyone else at the company is already making and I don't know how soon I will find a new job so it is probable that I stay for another 2-3 months. Currently I'm in a terrible position where my payment is much below market level (despite the raise I already got) and even below the salary level at my company (and that's actually always been the case but I started paying attention to it only recently).
– John Smith
Mar 14 '16 at 22:51
FYI - Long term employees are almost always below market rates. This generally means you are going to be making less than new hires at your same level at your company.
– Dunk
Mar 16 '16 at 21:47
FYI - Long term employees are almost always below market rates. This generally means you are going to be making less than new hires at your same level at your company.
– Dunk
Mar 16 '16 at 21:47
suggest improvements |Â
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2
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Wether it's fair or not, future employers will ask for your current salary. Having a competitive salary now will help you then.
Just be aware that you will be burning some serious bridges here. Your management likely had to do a lot to get you that 50% and getting even more then leaving will leave them feeling burned.
At the end of the day though, it is your career and you have to watch out for yourself.
answered Mar 14 '16 at 21:12
Bill Leeper
10.5k2735
The OP was asking if it was in bad taste to request an additional 25% increase to leverage in a salary negotiation with a different company. I think it would be. He would be better off negotiating that increase in his new position and that way would not have to burn bridges with his current employer.
– Bronco
May 9 '17 at 17:54
@Bronco I would agree with what you said, I may have misread the question. It is only in very rare situations where it is a problem making too much.
– Bill Leeper
May 9 '17 at 17:56
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
2
down vote
Wether it's fair or not, future employers will ask for your current salary. Having a competitive salary now will help you then.
Just be aware that you will be burning some serious bridges here. Your management likely had to do a lot to get you that 50% and getting even more then leaving will leave them feeling burned.
At the end of the day though, it is your career and you have to watch out for yourself.
answered Mar 14 '16 at 21:12
Bill Leeper
10.5k2735
The OP was asking if it was in bad taste to request an additional 25% increase to leverage in a salary negotiation with a different company. I think it would be. He would be better off negotiating that increase in his new position and that way would not have to burn bridges with his current employer.
– Bronco
May 9 '17 at 17:54
@Bronco I would agree with what you said, I may have misread the question. It is only in very rare situations where it is a problem making too much.
– Bill Leeper
May 9 '17 at 17:56
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
2
down vote
up vote
2
down vote
Wether it's fair or not, future employers will ask for your current salary. Having a competitive salary now will help you then.
Just be aware that you will be burning some serious bridges here. Your management likely had to do a lot to get you that 50% and getting even more then leaving will leave them feeling burned.
At the end of the day though, it is your career and you have to watch out for yourself.
answered Mar 14 '16 at 21:12
Bill Leeper
10.5k2735
Wether it's fair or not, future employers will ask for your current salary. Having a competitive salary now will help you then.
Just be aware that you will be burning some serious bridges here. Your management likely had to do a lot to get you that 50% and getting even more then leaving will leave them feeling burned.
At the end of the day though, it is your career and you have to watch out for yourself.
answered Mar 14 '16 at 21:12
Bill Leeper
10.5k2735
answered Mar 14 '16 at 21:12
Bill Leeper
10.5k2735
answered Mar 14 '16 at 21:12
Bill Leeper
10.5k2735
answered Mar 14 '16 at 21:12
Bill Leeper
10.5k2735
10.5k2735
The OP was asking if it was in bad taste to request an additional 25% increase to leverage in a salary negotiation with a different company. I think it would be. He would be better off negotiating that increase in his new position and that way would not have to burn bridges with his current employer.
– Bronco
May 9 '17 at 17:54
@Bronco I would agree with what you said, I may have misread the question. It is only in very rare situations where it is a problem making too much.
– Bill Leeper
May 9 '17 at 17:56
suggest improvements |Â
The OP was asking if it was in bad taste to request an additional 25% increase to leverage in a salary negotiation with a different company. I think it would be. He would be better off negotiating that increase in his new position and that way would not have to burn bridges with his current employer.
– Bronco
May 9 '17 at 17:54
@Bronco I would agree with what you said, I may have misread the question. It is only in very rare situations where it is a problem making too much.
– Bill Leeper
May 9 '17 at 17:56
The OP was asking if it was in bad taste to request an additional 25% increase to leverage in a salary negotiation with a different company. I think it would be. He would be better off negotiating that increase in his new position and that way would not have to burn bridges with his current employer.
– Bronco
May 9 '17 at 17:54
The OP was asking if it was in bad taste to request an additional 25% increase to leverage in a salary negotiation with a different company. I think it would be. He would be better off negotiating that increase in his new position and that way would not have to burn bridges with his current employer.
– Bronco
May 9 '17 at 17:54
@Bronco I would agree with what you said, I may have misread the question. It is only in very rare situations where it is a problem making too much.
– Bill Leeper
May 9 '17 at 17:56
@Bronco I would agree with what you said, I may have misread the question. It is only in very rare situations where it is a problem making too much.
– Bill Leeper
May 9 '17 at 17:56
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
0
down vote
It sounds like you're having trouble assessing your real worth. It's definitely worth investing your time in understanding what your market value really is, since you apparently just negotiated a bad deal for yourself. You can only go back to the well, so to speak, so many times. Consider your 6 possibilities:
- you ask for more, you get more, you stay: win, but you're now a crank
- you ask for more, you don't get more, you stay: lose, raises will be harder to come by in the future
- you ask for more, you get more, you leave: win, you have more and you have a higher "previous salary" to negotiate your next job
- you ask for more, you don't get more, you leave: win, you showed that salary was an issue
- you don't ask for more, you don't get more, you stay: lose, you're leaving money on the table
- you don't ask for more, you don't get more, you leave: win, you get more elsewhere
If you do ask, you lose in a quarter of the cases. If you don't ask, you lose half the time. But if you know you're going to leave, you win either way by asking. So why not find something interesting, and ask for a counter-offer before the deal closes?
answered Mar 14 '16 at 21:19
jimm101
11.6k72753
There is a very limited number of times you can do this--because no one wants to deal with an employee who renegotiates salary every few months. If you get a new position at a higher rate, then yes, you can ask for counter from your old company--but keep in mind that you won't get a raise in the next cycle, and maybe another after that, and you may lose out on any bonus/stock options/other goodies the company offers. Be prepared to leave if they say no.
– jimm101
Mar 14 '16 at 21:53
Yep, thanks - I definitely won't ask for a counter offer. But I have talked with guys who are at my level/role at the company and I'm pretty sure that they are getting exactly my salary + 20-25%, so basically I won't be asking for anything more than what everyone else is paid and this seems totally fair to me.
– John Smith
Mar 14 '16 at 22:06
suggest improvements |Â
up vote
0
down vote
It sounds like you're having trouble assessing your real worth. It's definitely worth investing your time in understanding what your market value really is, since you apparently just negotiated a bad deal for yourself. You can only go back to the well, so to speak, so many times. Consider your 6 possibilities:
- you ask for more, you get more, you stay: win, but you're now a crank
- you ask for more, you don't get more, you stay: lose, raises will be harder to come by in the future
- you ask for more, you get more, you leave: win, you have more and you have a higher "previous salary" to negotiate your next job
- you ask for more, you don't get more, you leave: win, you showed that salary was an issue
- you don't ask for more, you don't get more, you stay: lose, you're leaving money on the table
- you don't ask for more, you don't get more, you leave: win, you get more elsewhere
If you do ask, you lose in a quarter of the cases. If you don't ask, you lose half the time. But if you know you're going to leave, you win either way by asking. So why not find something interesting, and ask for a counter-offer before the deal closes?
answered Mar 14 '16 at 21:19
jimm101
11.6k72753
There is a very limited number of times you can do this--because no one wants to deal with an employee who renegotiates salary every few months. If you get a new position at a higher rate, then yes, you can ask for counter from your old company--but keep in mind that you won't get a raise in the next cycle, and maybe another after that, and you may lose out on any bonus/stock options/other goodies the company offers. Be prepared to leave if they say no.
– jimm101
Mar 14 '16 at 21:53
Yep, thanks - I definitely won't ask for a counter offer. But I have talked with guys who are at my level/role at the company and I'm pretty sure that they are getting exactly my salary + 20-25%, so basically I won't be asking for anything more than what everyone else is paid and this seems totally fair to me.
– John Smith
Mar 14 '16 at 22:06
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It sounds like you're having trouble assessing your real worth. It's definitely worth investing your time in understanding what your market value really is, since you apparently just negotiated a bad deal for yourself. You can only go back to the well, so to speak, so many times. Consider your 6 possibilities:
- you ask for more, you get more, you stay: win, but you're now a crank
- you ask for more, you don't get more, you stay: lose, raises will be harder to come by in the future
- you ask for more, you get more, you leave: win, you have more and you have a higher "previous salary" to negotiate your next job
- you ask for more, you don't get more, you leave: win, you showed that salary was an issue
- you don't ask for more, you don't get more, you stay: lose, you're leaving money on the table
- you don't ask for more, you don't get more, you leave: win, you get more elsewhere
If you do ask, you lose in a quarter of the cases. If you don't ask, you lose half the time. But if you know you're going to leave, you win either way by asking. So why not find something interesting, and ask for a counter-offer before the deal closes?
answered Mar 14 '16 at 21:19
jimm101
11.6k72753
It sounds like you're having trouble assessing your real worth. It's definitely worth investing your time in understanding what your market value really is, since you apparently just negotiated a bad deal for yourself. You can only go back to the well, so to speak, so many times. Consider your 6 possibilities:
- you ask for more, you get more, you stay: win, but you're now a crank
- you ask for more, you don't get more, you stay: lose, raises will be harder to come by in the future
- you ask for more, you get more, you leave: win, you have more and you have a higher "previous salary" to negotiate your next job
- you ask for more, you don't get more, you leave: win, you showed that salary was an issue
- you don't ask for more, you don't get more, you stay: lose, you're leaving money on the table
- you don't ask for more, you don't get more, you leave: win, you get more elsewhere
If you do ask, you lose in a quarter of the cases. If you don't ask, you lose half the time. But if you know you're going to leave, you win either way by asking. So why not find something interesting, and ask for a counter-offer before the deal closes?
answered Mar 14 '16 at 21:19
jimm101
11.6k72753
answered Mar 14 '16 at 21:19
jimm101
11.6k72753
answered Mar 14 '16 at 21:19
jimm101
11.6k72753
answered Mar 14 '16 at 21:19
jimm101
11.6k72753
11.6k72753
There is a very limited number of times you can do this--because no one wants to deal with an employee who renegotiates salary every few months. If you get a new position at a higher rate, then yes, you can ask for counter from your old company--but keep in mind that you won't get a raise in the next cycle, and maybe another after that, and you may lose out on any bonus/stock options/other goodies the company offers. Be prepared to leave if they say no.
– jimm101
Mar 14 '16 at 21:53
Yep, thanks - I definitely won't ask for a counter offer. But I have talked with guys who are at my level/role at the company and I'm pretty sure that they are getting exactly my salary + 20-25%, so basically I won't be asking for anything more than what everyone else is paid and this seems totally fair to me.
– John Smith
Mar 14 '16 at 22:06
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There is a very limited number of times you can do this--because no one wants to deal with an employee who renegotiates salary every few months. If you get a new position at a higher rate, then yes, you can ask for counter from your old company--but keep in mind that you won't get a raise in the next cycle, and maybe another after that, and you may lose out on any bonus/stock options/other goodies the company offers. Be prepared to leave if they say no.
– jimm101
Mar 14 '16 at 21:53
Yep, thanks - I definitely won't ask for a counter offer. But I have talked with guys who are at my level/role at the company and I'm pretty sure that they are getting exactly my salary + 20-25%, so basically I won't be asking for anything more than what everyone else is paid and this seems totally fair to me.
– John Smith
Mar 14 '16 at 22:06
There is a very limited number of times you can do this--because no one wants to deal with an employee who renegotiates salary every few months. If you get a new position at a higher rate, then yes, you can ask for counter from your old company--but keep in mind that you won't get a raise in the next cycle, and maybe another after that, and you may lose out on any bonus/stock options/other goodies the company offers. Be prepared to leave if they say no.
– jimm101
Mar 14 '16 at 21:53
There is a very limited number of times you can do this--because no one wants to deal with an employee who renegotiates salary every few months. If you get a new position at a higher rate, then yes, you can ask for counter from your old company--but keep in mind that you won't get a raise in the next cycle, and maybe another after that, and you may lose out on any bonus/stock options/other goodies the company offers. Be prepared to leave if they say no.
– jimm101
Mar 14 '16 at 21:53
Yep, thanks - I definitely won't ask for a counter offer. But I have talked with guys who are at my level/role at the company and I'm pretty sure that they are getting exactly my salary + 20-25%, so basically I won't be asking for anything more than what everyone else is paid and this seems totally fair to me.
– John Smith
Mar 14 '16 at 22:06
Yep, thanks - I definitely won't ask for a counter offer. But I have talked with guys who are at my level/role at the company and I'm pretty sure that they are getting exactly my salary + 20-25%, so basically I won't be asking for anything more than what everyone else is paid and this seems totally fair to me.
– John Smith
Mar 14 '16 at 22:06
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My starting salary was extremely low for the profession (basically I could be making the same amount of money working a job that does not require any qualification/education) so the increases didn't really make it that large anyway.
– John Smith
Mar 14 '16 at 23:07