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I'm an MBA from a premier institute and work as a manager with a big MNC. I'm responsible for handling a major area in my country.
Although I only have 3 years experience, my performance has been excellent.
I have been receiving a lot of awards in my tenure with my company.
However, I have been facing some personal problems since April and my work has been affected.
My manager gave me a warning a month ago that if my performance doesn't improve they'll fire me.
I have worked hard in the last month, but there is an overall dip in the business across the country and of course in my region as well.
Though, he has appreciated my work during this month, the targets were not met, but that is true for all regions, not just mine.
However, yesterday, I was asked to leave and I was only told "You did not meet expectations." when I asked for clarification.
I am thoroughly perplexed. I was a top performer 6 months back and I have been asked to go now. I feel I wasn't given enough time to prove myself again.
Shouldn't there be a Performance Improvement Plan (PIP)? Or something?
Can they fire me within a month?
How do I tackle this situation without picking up a fight?
Apologies, if this confusing. English is not my first language.
india performance
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I'm an MBA from a premier institute and work as a manager with a big MNC. I'm responsible for handling a major area in my country.
Although I only have 3 years experience, my performance has been excellent.
I have been receiving a lot of awards in my tenure with my company.
However, I have been facing some personal problems since April and my work has been affected.
My manager gave me a warning a month ago that if my performance doesn't improve they'll fire me.
I have worked hard in the last month, but there is an overall dip in the business across the country and of course in my region as well.
Though, he has appreciated my work during this month, the targets were not met, but that is true for all regions, not just mine.
However, yesterday, I was asked to leave and I was only told "You did not meet expectations." when I asked for clarification.
I am thoroughly perplexed. I was a top performer 6 months back and I have been asked to go now. I feel I wasn't given enough time to prove myself again.
Shouldn't there be a Performance Improvement Plan (PIP)? Or something?
Can they fire me within a month?
How do I tackle this situation without picking up a fight?
Apologies, if this confusing. English is not my first language.
india performance
closed as off-topic by Jan Doggen, gnat, Lilienthal♦, JB King, NotMe Dec 7 '15 at 21:56
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For the record, your English is excellent. Better than that of many native speakers, actually.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Dec 7 '15 at 10:56
This is not enough for a full answer, but basically as soon as a company has decided to fire you, it's not in your best to contest that. Even if you can somehow convince the company to keep you on they will always remember that they were at the point of firing you, so if they need to fire someone in the future then your name will be one of the first to come up. Cut your losses, keep your conduct professional and try to perform to expectations for the time you'll still be working there. Don't give them any excuse to refuse you a recommendation to your prospective next employer.
– Cronax
Dec 7 '15 at 14:47
Did you at some point tell your boss that you were facing personal problems?
– DJClayworth
Dec 7 '15 at 15:14
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They probably just needed an excuse to downsize. This is usually largely driven by what the managers think they can do without, whether or not its the best decision. The company is acting like its a performance issue so that they have a legal defense if you try to sue them, likely. They maybe doing it systematically with all the layoffs.
– Mark Rogers
Dec 7 '15 at 15:20
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You had your PIP - they gave you a month to fix the issue. But what you should learn from this is that you need to address those personal issues in a more timely fashion and stop letting them so severely affect your performance. If the issue is serious enough, you may need to take some time off to deal with it or ask your boss for a temporary accommodation, but just letting performance slide with no discussion of the problem is simply unacceptable and, as you found out, will likely get you fired.
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Dec 8 '15 at 20:47
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I'm an MBA from a premier institute and work as a manager with a big MNC. I'm responsible for handling a major area in my country.
Although I only have 3 years experience, my performance has been excellent.
I have been receiving a lot of awards in my tenure with my company.
However, I have been facing some personal problems since April and my work has been affected.
My manager gave me a warning a month ago that if my performance doesn't improve they'll fire me.
I have worked hard in the last month, but there is an overall dip in the business across the country and of course in my region as well.
Though, he has appreciated my work during this month, the targets were not met, but that is true for all regions, not just mine.
However, yesterday, I was asked to leave and I was only told "You did not meet expectations." when I asked for clarification.
I am thoroughly perplexed. I was a top performer 6 months back and I have been asked to go now. I feel I wasn't given enough time to prove myself again.
Shouldn't there be a Performance Improvement Plan (PIP)? Or something?
Can they fire me within a month?
How do I tackle this situation without picking up a fight?
Apologies, if this confusing. English is not my first language.
india performance
I'm an MBA from a premier institute and work as a manager with a big MNC. I'm responsible for handling a major area in my country.
Although I only have 3 years experience, my performance has been excellent.
I have been receiving a lot of awards in my tenure with my company.
However, I have been facing some personal problems since April and my work has been affected.
My manager gave me a warning a month ago that if my performance doesn't improve they'll fire me.
I have worked hard in the last month, but there is an overall dip in the business across the country and of course in my region as well.
Though, he has appreciated my work during this month, the targets were not met, but that is true for all regions, not just mine.
However, yesterday, I was asked to leave and I was only told "You did not meet expectations." when I asked for clarification.
I am thoroughly perplexed. I was a top performer 6 months back and I have been asked to go now. I feel I wasn't given enough time to prove myself again.
Shouldn't there be a Performance Improvement Plan (PIP)? Or something?
Can they fire me within a month?
How do I tackle this situation without picking up a fight?
Apologies, if this confusing. English is not my first language.
india performance
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closed as off-topic by Jan Doggen, gnat, Lilienthal♦, JB King, NotMe Dec 7 '15 at 21:56
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- "Questions seeking advice on company-specific regulations, agreements, or policies should be directed to your manager or HR department. Questions that address only a specific company or position are of limited use to future visitors. Questions seeking legal advice should be directed to legal professionals. For more information, click here." – Jan Doggen, gnat, NotMe
- "Questions asking for advice on what to do are not practical answerable questions (e.g. "what job should I take?", or "what skills should I learn?"). Questions should get answers explaining why and how to make a decision, not advice on what to do. For more information, click here." – Lilienthal, JB King
closed as off-topic by Jan Doggen, gnat, Lilienthal♦, JB King, NotMe Dec 7 '15 at 21:56
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- "Questions seeking advice on company-specific regulations, agreements, or policies should be directed to your manager or HR department. Questions that address only a specific company or position are of limited use to future visitors. Questions seeking legal advice should be directed to legal professionals. For more information, click here." – Jan Doggen, gnat, NotMe
- "Questions asking for advice on what to do are not practical answerable questions (e.g. "what job should I take?", or "what skills should I learn?"). Questions should get answers explaining why and how to make a decision, not advice on what to do. For more information, click here." – Lilienthal, JB King
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For the record, your English is excellent. Better than that of many native speakers, actually.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Dec 7 '15 at 10:56
This is not enough for a full answer, but basically as soon as a company has decided to fire you, it's not in your best to contest that. Even if you can somehow convince the company to keep you on they will always remember that they were at the point of firing you, so if they need to fire someone in the future then your name will be one of the first to come up. Cut your losses, keep your conduct professional and try to perform to expectations for the time you'll still be working there. Don't give them any excuse to refuse you a recommendation to your prospective next employer.
– Cronax
Dec 7 '15 at 14:47
Did you at some point tell your boss that you were facing personal problems?
– DJClayworth
Dec 7 '15 at 15:14
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They probably just needed an excuse to downsize. This is usually largely driven by what the managers think they can do without, whether or not its the best decision. The company is acting like its a performance issue so that they have a legal defense if you try to sue them, likely. They maybe doing it systematically with all the layoffs.
– Mark Rogers
Dec 7 '15 at 15:20
1
You had your PIP - they gave you a month to fix the issue. But what you should learn from this is that you need to address those personal issues in a more timely fashion and stop letting them so severely affect your performance. If the issue is serious enough, you may need to take some time off to deal with it or ask your boss for a temporary accommodation, but just letting performance slide with no discussion of the problem is simply unacceptable and, as you found out, will likely get you fired.
– HLGEM
Dec 8 '15 at 20:47
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For the record, your English is excellent. Better than that of many native speakers, actually.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Dec 7 '15 at 10:56
This is not enough for a full answer, but basically as soon as a company has decided to fire you, it's not in your best to contest that. Even if you can somehow convince the company to keep you on they will always remember that they were at the point of firing you, so if they need to fire someone in the future then your name will be one of the first to come up. Cut your losses, keep your conduct professional and try to perform to expectations for the time you'll still be working there. Don't give them any excuse to refuse you a recommendation to your prospective next employer.
– Cronax
Dec 7 '15 at 14:47
Did you at some point tell your boss that you were facing personal problems?
– DJClayworth
Dec 7 '15 at 15:14
2
They probably just needed an excuse to downsize. This is usually largely driven by what the managers think they can do without, whether or not its the best decision. The company is acting like its a performance issue so that they have a legal defense if you try to sue them, likely. They maybe doing it systematically with all the layoffs.
– Mark Rogers
Dec 7 '15 at 15:20
1
You had your PIP - they gave you a month to fix the issue. But what you should learn from this is that you need to address those personal issues in a more timely fashion and stop letting them so severely affect your performance. If the issue is serious enough, you may need to take some time off to deal with it or ask your boss for a temporary accommodation, but just letting performance slide with no discussion of the problem is simply unacceptable and, as you found out, will likely get you fired.
– HLGEM
Dec 8 '15 at 20:47
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For the record, your English is excellent. Better than that of many native speakers, actually.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Dec 7 '15 at 10:56
For the record, your English is excellent. Better than that of many native speakers, actually.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Dec 7 '15 at 10:56
This is not enough for a full answer, but basically as soon as a company has decided to fire you, it's not in your best to contest that. Even if you can somehow convince the company to keep you on they will always remember that they were at the point of firing you, so if they need to fire someone in the future then your name will be one of the first to come up. Cut your losses, keep your conduct professional and try to perform to expectations for the time you'll still be working there. Don't give them any excuse to refuse you a recommendation to your prospective next employer.
– Cronax
Dec 7 '15 at 14:47
This is not enough for a full answer, but basically as soon as a company has decided to fire you, it's not in your best to contest that. Even if you can somehow convince the company to keep you on they will always remember that they were at the point of firing you, so if they need to fire someone in the future then your name will be one of the first to come up. Cut your losses, keep your conduct professional and try to perform to expectations for the time you'll still be working there. Don't give them any excuse to refuse you a recommendation to your prospective next employer.
– Cronax
Dec 7 '15 at 14:47
Did you at some point tell your boss that you were facing personal problems?
– DJClayworth
Dec 7 '15 at 15:14
Did you at some point tell your boss that you were facing personal problems?
– DJClayworth
Dec 7 '15 at 15:14
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They probably just needed an excuse to downsize. This is usually largely driven by what the managers think they can do without, whether or not its the best decision. The company is acting like its a performance issue so that they have a legal defense if you try to sue them, likely. They maybe doing it systematically with all the layoffs.
– Mark Rogers
Dec 7 '15 at 15:20
They probably just needed an excuse to downsize. This is usually largely driven by what the managers think they can do without, whether or not its the best decision. The company is acting like its a performance issue so that they have a legal defense if you try to sue them, likely. They maybe doing it systematically with all the layoffs.
– Mark Rogers
Dec 7 '15 at 15:20
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You had your PIP - they gave you a month to fix the issue. But what you should learn from this is that you need to address those personal issues in a more timely fashion and stop letting them so severely affect your performance. If the issue is serious enough, you may need to take some time off to deal with it or ask your boss for a temporary accommodation, but just letting performance slide with no discussion of the problem is simply unacceptable and, as you found out, will likely get you fired.
– HLGEM
Dec 8 '15 at 20:47
You had your PIP - they gave you a month to fix the issue. But what you should learn from this is that you need to address those personal issues in a more timely fashion and stop letting them so severely affect your performance. If the issue is serious enough, you may need to take some time off to deal with it or ask your boss for a temporary accommodation, but just letting performance slide with no discussion of the problem is simply unacceptable and, as you found out, will likely get you fired.
– HLGEM
Dec 8 '15 at 20:47
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Make sure that all the paperwork you'd need to get your next job is in order, check to see if your manager would give you a positive reference for your next job, update your resume, and start looking for your next job.
The moment you're asked to leave, there's no real reason to have any sort of loyalty or attachment to your last company. They've chosen to cut you loose (and the end of the year's not the best time for that). At this point there's nothing left for you at your old company.
You can always prove yourself at your next job.
My problem is more of - "How can they do this?" I need to know what went so wrong? Can they even fire me within a month of the warning?
– sbhatia261
Dec 7 '15 at 6:18
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Depends on your employment contract. If you have a notice period, they'd likely have to pay you for it. It could be anything - but it would be simpler to let go of someone who had been warned for poor performance. Corporations arn't always acting in the best interest of employees. I do realise it is a shock (and it happened to me recently as well!) but working on the things you know are an issue, and getting back up is more important than ruminating on the past.
– Journeyman Geek
Dec 7 '15 at 6:24
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"How can they?" Well, as long as it's allowed by the law, They can. In no country it's forbidden to fire people. Even in France, if they want to fire you, you just have a 3-months notice. And it's probably the most rigid country in the world for that. They don't need a good reason. They don't want to play anymore with you. It's unfair. Life is unfair. Look ahead.
– gazzz0x2z
Dec 7 '15 at 8:44
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@Guest261 considering india, they can probably do almost anything. If you comply fully and without question they may hopefully not further mess with your career. Picking a fight is a bad idea, since there are 1000 ways a company you worked for can mess your career up permanently in india.
– Magisch
Dec 7 '15 at 10:58
I'd consider adding something along the lines of "They don't need a good reason to fire you, they just need a plausible reason. If performance is low across the board, it's very likely that the OP wasn't even performing badly but there are other, often political or simply financial, reasons for the firing.
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Dec 7 '15 at 14:43
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Shouldn't there be a Performance Improvement Plan (PIP)? Or something?
That is completely company dependent. The HR of your company would be the best ones to answer that question.
Can they fire me within a month?
Again, company dependent. You have to go through all the clauses of firing and resignation in your offer letter.
How do I tackle this situation without picking up a fight? I need a
good reference from my boss if nothing works out here.
Have a word with your manager. Explain him your problems and the reasons for a performance dip, and how your past performance can be a nice indicator of your potential, and tell him that it was a pleasure working under him, and unfortunately you had to go through the performance dip due to your personal problems. If given a chance, can prove your worth again.
This would help you get your views forward, in a polite manner, and also would help you get a positive reference letter from your boss.
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I've always gotten the impression that employees in India have basically zero rights; all the power is with the employer.
– Carson63000
Dec 7 '15 at 7:28
@Carson63000 It is somewhat true in the large MNC's :)
– Dawny33
Dec 7 '15 at 7:30
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@Carson63000 You mean unlike the US, where employees have zero rights and all the power is with the employer?
– DJClayworth
Dec 7 '15 at 15:15
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@DJClayworth Have you read the questions on this site about relieving letters? In India you need your former employer's permission to get your next job.
– stannius
Dec 7 '15 at 20:45
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@stannius: Indeed, here in the US the right to leave is so fundamental that it's overlooked.
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Dec 7 '15 at 21:05
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Trouble happens(to stay polite).
When I was a consultant, I was blacklisted at a customer where I did overperform. 4 years later, a commercial of my firm did ask a few questions and had those answers :
- Did an incredible job _ saved und more than 1 full FTE in maintenance definitively.
- We don't want him anymore. Was troublesome.
The trouble in question was far less personal than yours. I had words with an influent veteran who had other priorities than my hierarchy at the customer. I sticked to my orders instead of negociating, that was a tiny mistake, but still, I'm definitively blacklisted there. And next time, I'll try to be politically more "accurate".
Happens. Sad, but happens. In that case, the only focus worth it is your future. Your future is another job, and if you can possibly save up a few good references in that place, it would be perfect.
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I fail to see how this anecdote is relevant to the OP or how this post actually answered the question.
– Lilienthal♦
Dec 7 '15 at 9:10
well, maybe the introduction is long, but it leads to the last paragraph, which answer the "what to do?" part of the question. For the "why?" part, Brandin's comment in answer to OP's text seems perfectly valid to me.
– gazzz0x2z
Dec 7 '15 at 10:22
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Make sure that all the paperwork you'd need to get your next job is in order, check to see if your manager would give you a positive reference for your next job, update your resume, and start looking for your next job.
The moment you're asked to leave, there's no real reason to have any sort of loyalty or attachment to your last company. They've chosen to cut you loose (and the end of the year's not the best time for that). At this point there's nothing left for you at your old company.
You can always prove yourself at your next job.
My problem is more of - "How can they do this?" I need to know what went so wrong? Can they even fire me within a month of the warning?
– sbhatia261
Dec 7 '15 at 6:18
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Depends on your employment contract. If you have a notice period, they'd likely have to pay you for it. It could be anything - but it would be simpler to let go of someone who had been warned for poor performance. Corporations arn't always acting in the best interest of employees. I do realise it is a shock (and it happened to me recently as well!) but working on the things you know are an issue, and getting back up is more important than ruminating on the past.
– Journeyman Geek
Dec 7 '15 at 6:24
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"How can they?" Well, as long as it's allowed by the law, They can. In no country it's forbidden to fire people. Even in France, if they want to fire you, you just have a 3-months notice. And it's probably the most rigid country in the world for that. They don't need a good reason. They don't want to play anymore with you. It's unfair. Life is unfair. Look ahead.
– gazzz0x2z
Dec 7 '15 at 8:44
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@Guest261 considering india, they can probably do almost anything. If you comply fully and without question they may hopefully not further mess with your career. Picking a fight is a bad idea, since there are 1000 ways a company you worked for can mess your career up permanently in india.
– Magisch
Dec 7 '15 at 10:58
I'd consider adding something along the lines of "They don't need a good reason to fire you, they just need a plausible reason. If performance is low across the board, it's very likely that the OP wasn't even performing badly but there are other, often political or simply financial, reasons for the firing.
– Cronax
Dec 7 '15 at 14:43
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Make sure that all the paperwork you'd need to get your next job is in order, check to see if your manager would give you a positive reference for your next job, update your resume, and start looking for your next job.
The moment you're asked to leave, there's no real reason to have any sort of loyalty or attachment to your last company. They've chosen to cut you loose (and the end of the year's not the best time for that). At this point there's nothing left for you at your old company.
You can always prove yourself at your next job.
My problem is more of - "How can they do this?" I need to know what went so wrong? Can they even fire me within a month of the warning?
– sbhatia261
Dec 7 '15 at 6:18
3
Depends on your employment contract. If you have a notice period, they'd likely have to pay you for it. It could be anything - but it would be simpler to let go of someone who had been warned for poor performance. Corporations arn't always acting in the best interest of employees. I do realise it is a shock (and it happened to me recently as well!) but working on the things you know are an issue, and getting back up is more important than ruminating on the past.
– Journeyman Geek
Dec 7 '15 at 6:24
2
"How can they?" Well, as long as it's allowed by the law, They can. In no country it's forbidden to fire people. Even in France, if they want to fire you, you just have a 3-months notice. And it's probably the most rigid country in the world for that. They don't need a good reason. They don't want to play anymore with you. It's unfair. Life is unfair. Look ahead.
– gazzz0x2z
Dec 7 '15 at 8:44
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@Guest261 considering india, they can probably do almost anything. If you comply fully and without question they may hopefully not further mess with your career. Picking a fight is a bad idea, since there are 1000 ways a company you worked for can mess your career up permanently in india.
– Magisch
Dec 7 '15 at 10:58
I'd consider adding something along the lines of "They don't need a good reason to fire you, they just need a plausible reason. If performance is low across the board, it's very likely that the OP wasn't even performing badly but there are other, often political or simply financial, reasons for the firing.
– Cronax
Dec 7 '15 at 14:43
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up vote
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Make sure that all the paperwork you'd need to get your next job is in order, check to see if your manager would give you a positive reference for your next job, update your resume, and start looking for your next job.
The moment you're asked to leave, there's no real reason to have any sort of loyalty or attachment to your last company. They've chosen to cut you loose (and the end of the year's not the best time for that). At this point there's nothing left for you at your old company.
You can always prove yourself at your next job.
Make sure that all the paperwork you'd need to get your next job is in order, check to see if your manager would give you a positive reference for your next job, update your resume, and start looking for your next job.
The moment you're asked to leave, there's no real reason to have any sort of loyalty or attachment to your last company. They've chosen to cut you loose (and the end of the year's not the best time for that). At this point there's nothing left for you at your old company.
You can always prove yourself at your next job.
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My problem is more of - "How can they do this?" I need to know what went so wrong? Can they even fire me within a month of the warning?
– sbhatia261
Dec 7 '15 at 6:18
3
Depends on your employment contract. If you have a notice period, they'd likely have to pay you for it. It could be anything - but it would be simpler to let go of someone who had been warned for poor performance. Corporations arn't always acting in the best interest of employees. I do realise it is a shock (and it happened to me recently as well!) but working on the things you know are an issue, and getting back up is more important than ruminating on the past.
– Journeyman Geek
Dec 7 '15 at 6:24
2
"How can they?" Well, as long as it's allowed by the law, They can. In no country it's forbidden to fire people. Even in France, if they want to fire you, you just have a 3-months notice. And it's probably the most rigid country in the world for that. They don't need a good reason. They don't want to play anymore with you. It's unfair. Life is unfair. Look ahead.
– gazzz0x2z
Dec 7 '15 at 8:44
1
@Guest261 considering india, they can probably do almost anything. If you comply fully and without question they may hopefully not further mess with your career. Picking a fight is a bad idea, since there are 1000 ways a company you worked for can mess your career up permanently in india.
– Magisch
Dec 7 '15 at 10:58
I'd consider adding something along the lines of "They don't need a good reason to fire you, they just need a plausible reason. If performance is low across the board, it's very likely that the OP wasn't even performing badly but there are other, often political or simply financial, reasons for the firing.
– Cronax
Dec 7 '15 at 14:43
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My problem is more of - "How can they do this?" I need to know what went so wrong? Can they even fire me within a month of the warning?
– sbhatia261
Dec 7 '15 at 6:18
3
Depends on your employment contract. If you have a notice period, they'd likely have to pay you for it. It could be anything - but it would be simpler to let go of someone who had been warned for poor performance. Corporations arn't always acting in the best interest of employees. I do realise it is a shock (and it happened to me recently as well!) but working on the things you know are an issue, and getting back up is more important than ruminating on the past.
– Journeyman Geek
Dec 7 '15 at 6:24
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"How can they?" Well, as long as it's allowed by the law, They can. In no country it's forbidden to fire people. Even in France, if they want to fire you, you just have a 3-months notice. And it's probably the most rigid country in the world for that. They don't need a good reason. They don't want to play anymore with you. It's unfair. Life is unfair. Look ahead.
– gazzz0x2z
Dec 7 '15 at 8:44
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@Guest261 considering india, they can probably do almost anything. If you comply fully and without question they may hopefully not further mess with your career. Picking a fight is a bad idea, since there are 1000 ways a company you worked for can mess your career up permanently in india.
– Magisch
Dec 7 '15 at 10:58
I'd consider adding something along the lines of "They don't need a good reason to fire you, they just need a plausible reason. If performance is low across the board, it's very likely that the OP wasn't even performing badly but there are other, often political or simply financial, reasons for the firing.
– Cronax
Dec 7 '15 at 14:43
My problem is more of - "How can they do this?" I need to know what went so wrong? Can they even fire me within a month of the warning?
– sbhatia261
Dec 7 '15 at 6:18
My problem is more of - "How can they do this?" I need to know what went so wrong? Can they even fire me within a month of the warning?
– sbhatia261
Dec 7 '15 at 6:18
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Depends on your employment contract. If you have a notice period, they'd likely have to pay you for it. It could be anything - but it would be simpler to let go of someone who had been warned for poor performance. Corporations arn't always acting in the best interest of employees. I do realise it is a shock (and it happened to me recently as well!) but working on the things you know are an issue, and getting back up is more important than ruminating on the past.
– Journeyman Geek
Dec 7 '15 at 6:24
Depends on your employment contract. If you have a notice period, they'd likely have to pay you for it. It could be anything - but it would be simpler to let go of someone who had been warned for poor performance. Corporations arn't always acting in the best interest of employees. I do realise it is a shock (and it happened to me recently as well!) but working on the things you know are an issue, and getting back up is more important than ruminating on the past.
– Journeyman Geek
Dec 7 '15 at 6:24
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"How can they?" Well, as long as it's allowed by the law, They can. In no country it's forbidden to fire people. Even in France, if they want to fire you, you just have a 3-months notice. And it's probably the most rigid country in the world for that. They don't need a good reason. They don't want to play anymore with you. It's unfair. Life is unfair. Look ahead.
– gazzz0x2z
Dec 7 '15 at 8:44
"How can they?" Well, as long as it's allowed by the law, They can. In no country it's forbidden to fire people. Even in France, if they want to fire you, you just have a 3-months notice. And it's probably the most rigid country in the world for that. They don't need a good reason. They don't want to play anymore with you. It's unfair. Life is unfair. Look ahead.
– gazzz0x2z
Dec 7 '15 at 8:44
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@Guest261 considering india, they can probably do almost anything. If you comply fully and without question they may hopefully not further mess with your career. Picking a fight is a bad idea, since there are 1000 ways a company you worked for can mess your career up permanently in india.
– Magisch
Dec 7 '15 at 10:58
@Guest261 considering india, they can probably do almost anything. If you comply fully and without question they may hopefully not further mess with your career. Picking a fight is a bad idea, since there are 1000 ways a company you worked for can mess your career up permanently in india.
– Magisch
Dec 7 '15 at 10:58
I'd consider adding something along the lines of "They don't need a good reason to fire you, they just need a plausible reason. If performance is low across the board, it's very likely that the OP wasn't even performing badly but there are other, often political or simply financial, reasons for the firing.
– Cronax
Dec 7 '15 at 14:43
I'd consider adding something along the lines of "They don't need a good reason to fire you, they just need a plausible reason. If performance is low across the board, it's very likely that the OP wasn't even performing badly but there are other, often political or simply financial, reasons for the firing.
– Cronax
Dec 7 '15 at 14:43
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Shouldn't there be a Performance Improvement Plan (PIP)? Or something?
That is completely company dependent. The HR of your company would be the best ones to answer that question.
Can they fire me within a month?
Again, company dependent. You have to go through all the clauses of firing and resignation in your offer letter.
How do I tackle this situation without picking up a fight? I need a
good reference from my boss if nothing works out here.
Have a word with your manager. Explain him your problems and the reasons for a performance dip, and how your past performance can be a nice indicator of your potential, and tell him that it was a pleasure working under him, and unfortunately you had to go through the performance dip due to your personal problems. If given a chance, can prove your worth again.
This would help you get your views forward, in a polite manner, and also would help you get a positive reference letter from your boss.
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I've always gotten the impression that employees in India have basically zero rights; all the power is with the employer.
– Carson63000
Dec 7 '15 at 7:28
@Carson63000 It is somewhat true in the large MNC's :)
– Dawny33
Dec 7 '15 at 7:30
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@Carson63000 You mean unlike the US, where employees have zero rights and all the power is with the employer?
– DJClayworth
Dec 7 '15 at 15:15
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@DJClayworth Have you read the questions on this site about relieving letters? In India you need your former employer's permission to get your next job.
– stannius
Dec 7 '15 at 20:45
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@stannius: Indeed, here in the US the right to leave is so fundamental that it's overlooked.
– Ben Voigt
Dec 7 '15 at 21:05
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Shouldn't there be a Performance Improvement Plan (PIP)? Or something?
That is completely company dependent. The HR of your company would be the best ones to answer that question.
Can they fire me within a month?
Again, company dependent. You have to go through all the clauses of firing and resignation in your offer letter.
How do I tackle this situation without picking up a fight? I need a
good reference from my boss if nothing works out here.
Have a word with your manager. Explain him your problems and the reasons for a performance dip, and how your past performance can be a nice indicator of your potential, and tell him that it was a pleasure working under him, and unfortunately you had to go through the performance dip due to your personal problems. If given a chance, can prove your worth again.
This would help you get your views forward, in a polite manner, and also would help you get a positive reference letter from your boss.
8
I've always gotten the impression that employees in India have basically zero rights; all the power is with the employer.
– Carson63000
Dec 7 '15 at 7:28
@Carson63000 It is somewhat true in the large MNC's :)
– Dawny33
Dec 7 '15 at 7:30
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@Carson63000 You mean unlike the US, where employees have zero rights and all the power is with the employer?
– DJClayworth
Dec 7 '15 at 15:15
1
@DJClayworth Have you read the questions on this site about relieving letters? In India you need your former employer's permission to get your next job.
– stannius
Dec 7 '15 at 20:45
2
@stannius: Indeed, here in the US the right to leave is so fundamental that it's overlooked.
– Ben Voigt
Dec 7 '15 at 21:05
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up vote
11
down vote
up vote
11
down vote
Shouldn't there be a Performance Improvement Plan (PIP)? Or something?
That is completely company dependent. The HR of your company would be the best ones to answer that question.
Can they fire me within a month?
Again, company dependent. You have to go through all the clauses of firing and resignation in your offer letter.
How do I tackle this situation without picking up a fight? I need a
good reference from my boss if nothing works out here.
Have a word with your manager. Explain him your problems and the reasons for a performance dip, and how your past performance can be a nice indicator of your potential, and tell him that it was a pleasure working under him, and unfortunately you had to go through the performance dip due to your personal problems. If given a chance, can prove your worth again.
This would help you get your views forward, in a polite manner, and also would help you get a positive reference letter from your boss.
Shouldn't there be a Performance Improvement Plan (PIP)? Or something?
That is completely company dependent. The HR of your company would be the best ones to answer that question.
Can they fire me within a month?
Again, company dependent. You have to go through all the clauses of firing and resignation in your offer letter.
How do I tackle this situation without picking up a fight? I need a
good reference from my boss if nothing works out here.
Have a word with your manager. Explain him your problems and the reasons for a performance dip, and how your past performance can be a nice indicator of your potential, and tell him that it was a pleasure working under him, and unfortunately you had to go through the performance dip due to your personal problems. If given a chance, can prove your worth again.
This would help you get your views forward, in a polite manner, and also would help you get a positive reference letter from your boss.
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I've always gotten the impression that employees in India have basically zero rights; all the power is with the employer.
– Carson63000
Dec 7 '15 at 7:28
@Carson63000 It is somewhat true in the large MNC's :)
– Dawny33
Dec 7 '15 at 7:30
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@Carson63000 You mean unlike the US, where employees have zero rights and all the power is with the employer?
– DJClayworth
Dec 7 '15 at 15:15
1
@DJClayworth Have you read the questions on this site about relieving letters? In India you need your former employer's permission to get your next job.
– stannius
Dec 7 '15 at 20:45
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@stannius: Indeed, here in the US the right to leave is so fundamental that it's overlooked.
– Ben Voigt
Dec 7 '15 at 21:05
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I've always gotten the impression that employees in India have basically zero rights; all the power is with the employer.
– Carson63000
Dec 7 '15 at 7:28
@Carson63000 It is somewhat true in the large MNC's :)
– Dawny33
Dec 7 '15 at 7:30
13
@Carson63000 You mean unlike the US, where employees have zero rights and all the power is with the employer?
– DJClayworth
Dec 7 '15 at 15:15
1
@DJClayworth Have you read the questions on this site about relieving letters? In India you need your former employer's permission to get your next job.
– stannius
Dec 7 '15 at 20:45
2
@stannius: Indeed, here in the US the right to leave is so fundamental that it's overlooked.
– Ben Voigt
Dec 7 '15 at 21:05
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I've always gotten the impression that employees in India have basically zero rights; all the power is with the employer.
– Carson63000
Dec 7 '15 at 7:28
I've always gotten the impression that employees in India have basically zero rights; all the power is with the employer.
– Carson63000
Dec 7 '15 at 7:28
@Carson63000 It is somewhat true in the large MNC's :)
– Dawny33
Dec 7 '15 at 7:30
@Carson63000 It is somewhat true in the large MNC's :)
– Dawny33
Dec 7 '15 at 7:30
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13
@Carson63000 You mean unlike the US, where employees have zero rights and all the power is with the employer?
– DJClayworth
Dec 7 '15 at 15:15
@Carson63000 You mean unlike the US, where employees have zero rights and all the power is with the employer?
– DJClayworth
Dec 7 '15 at 15:15
1
1
@DJClayworth Have you read the questions on this site about relieving letters? In India you need your former employer's permission to get your next job.
– stannius
Dec 7 '15 at 20:45
@DJClayworth Have you read the questions on this site about relieving letters? In India you need your former employer's permission to get your next job.
– stannius
Dec 7 '15 at 20:45
2
2
@stannius: Indeed, here in the US the right to leave is so fundamental that it's overlooked.
– Ben Voigt
Dec 7 '15 at 21:05
@stannius: Indeed, here in the US the right to leave is so fundamental that it's overlooked.
– Ben Voigt
Dec 7 '15 at 21:05
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Trouble happens(to stay polite).
When I was a consultant, I was blacklisted at a customer where I did overperform. 4 years later, a commercial of my firm did ask a few questions and had those answers :
- Did an incredible job _ saved und more than 1 full FTE in maintenance definitively.
- We don't want him anymore. Was troublesome.
The trouble in question was far less personal than yours. I had words with an influent veteran who had other priorities than my hierarchy at the customer. I sticked to my orders instead of negociating, that was a tiny mistake, but still, I'm definitively blacklisted there. And next time, I'll try to be politically more "accurate".
Happens. Sad, but happens. In that case, the only focus worth it is your future. Your future is another job, and if you can possibly save up a few good references in that place, it would be perfect.
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I fail to see how this anecdote is relevant to the OP or how this post actually answered the question.
– Lilienthal♦
Dec 7 '15 at 9:10
well, maybe the introduction is long, but it leads to the last paragraph, which answer the "what to do?" part of the question. For the "why?" part, Brandin's comment in answer to OP's text seems perfectly valid to me.
– gazzz0x2z
Dec 7 '15 at 10:22
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Trouble happens(to stay polite).
When I was a consultant, I was blacklisted at a customer where I did overperform. 4 years later, a commercial of my firm did ask a few questions and had those answers :
- Did an incredible job _ saved und more than 1 full FTE in maintenance definitively.
- We don't want him anymore. Was troublesome.
The trouble in question was far less personal than yours. I had words with an influent veteran who had other priorities than my hierarchy at the customer. I sticked to my orders instead of negociating, that was a tiny mistake, but still, I'm definitively blacklisted there. And next time, I'll try to be politically more "accurate".
Happens. Sad, but happens. In that case, the only focus worth it is your future. Your future is another job, and if you can possibly save up a few good references in that place, it would be perfect.
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I fail to see how this anecdote is relevant to the OP or how this post actually answered the question.
– Lilienthal♦
Dec 7 '15 at 9:10
well, maybe the introduction is long, but it leads to the last paragraph, which answer the "what to do?" part of the question. For the "why?" part, Brandin's comment in answer to OP's text seems perfectly valid to me.
– gazzz0x2z
Dec 7 '15 at 10:22
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up vote
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up vote
-1
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Trouble happens(to stay polite).
When I was a consultant, I was blacklisted at a customer where I did overperform. 4 years later, a commercial of my firm did ask a few questions and had those answers :
- Did an incredible job _ saved und more than 1 full FTE in maintenance definitively.
- We don't want him anymore. Was troublesome.
The trouble in question was far less personal than yours. I had words with an influent veteran who had other priorities than my hierarchy at the customer. I sticked to my orders instead of negociating, that was a tiny mistake, but still, I'm definitively blacklisted there. And next time, I'll try to be politically more "accurate".
Happens. Sad, but happens. In that case, the only focus worth it is your future. Your future is another job, and if you can possibly save up a few good references in that place, it would be perfect.
Trouble happens(to stay polite).
When I was a consultant, I was blacklisted at a customer where I did overperform. 4 years later, a commercial of my firm did ask a few questions and had those answers :
- Did an incredible job _ saved und more than 1 full FTE in maintenance definitively.
- We don't want him anymore. Was troublesome.
The trouble in question was far less personal than yours. I had words with an influent veteran who had other priorities than my hierarchy at the customer. I sticked to my orders instead of negociating, that was a tiny mistake, but still, I'm definitively blacklisted there. And next time, I'll try to be politically more "accurate".
Happens. Sad, but happens. In that case, the only focus worth it is your future. Your future is another job, and if you can possibly save up a few good references in that place, it would be perfect.
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I fail to see how this anecdote is relevant to the OP or how this post actually answered the question.
– Lilienthal♦
Dec 7 '15 at 9:10
well, maybe the introduction is long, but it leads to the last paragraph, which answer the "what to do?" part of the question. For the "why?" part, Brandin's comment in answer to OP's text seems perfectly valid to me.
– gazzz0x2z
Dec 7 '15 at 10:22
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I fail to see how this anecdote is relevant to the OP or how this post actually answered the question.
– Lilienthal♦
Dec 7 '15 at 9:10
well, maybe the introduction is long, but it leads to the last paragraph, which answer the "what to do?" part of the question. For the "why?" part, Brandin's comment in answer to OP's text seems perfectly valid to me.
– gazzz0x2z
Dec 7 '15 at 10:22
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I fail to see how this anecdote is relevant to the OP or how this post actually answered the question.
– Lilienthal♦
Dec 7 '15 at 9:10
I fail to see how this anecdote is relevant to the OP or how this post actually answered the question.
– Lilienthal♦
Dec 7 '15 at 9:10
well, maybe the introduction is long, but it leads to the last paragraph, which answer the "what to do?" part of the question. For the "why?" part, Brandin's comment in answer to OP's text seems perfectly valid to me.
– gazzz0x2z
Dec 7 '15 at 10:22
well, maybe the introduction is long, but it leads to the last paragraph, which answer the "what to do?" part of the question. For the "why?" part, Brandin's comment in answer to OP's text seems perfectly valid to me.
– gazzz0x2z
Dec 7 '15 at 10:22
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For the record, your English is excellent. Better than that of many native speakers, actually.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Dec 7 '15 at 10:56
This is not enough for a full answer, but basically as soon as a company has decided to fire you, it's not in your best to contest that. Even if you can somehow convince the company to keep you on they will always remember that they were at the point of firing you, so if they need to fire someone in the future then your name will be one of the first to come up. Cut your losses, keep your conduct professional and try to perform to expectations for the time you'll still be working there. Don't give them any excuse to refuse you a recommendation to your prospective next employer.
– Cronax
Dec 7 '15 at 14:47
Did you at some point tell your boss that you were facing personal problems?
– DJClayworth
Dec 7 '15 at 15:14
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They probably just needed an excuse to downsize. This is usually largely driven by what the managers think they can do without, whether or not its the best decision. The company is acting like its a performance issue so that they have a legal defense if you try to sue them, likely. They maybe doing it systematically with all the layoffs.
– Mark Rogers
Dec 7 '15 at 15:20
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You had your PIP - they gave you a month to fix the issue. But what you should learn from this is that you need to address those personal issues in a more timely fashion and stop letting them so severely affect your performance. If the issue is serious enough, you may need to take some time off to deal with it or ask your boss for a temporary accommodation, but just letting performance slide with no discussion of the problem is simply unacceptable and, as you found out, will likely get you fired.
– HLGEM
Dec 8 '15 at 20:47