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I'm in a bit of a pickle here. I work for a company in the United States. I'm in a position where there have been major team shifts in the department. New managers, new projects, stuff like that. I have the intention to leave the department in hopes of landing something new at a different department within the company.
Common wisdom says that you shouldn't state your intention to leave if you haven't already secured a new job. I get that point, but I'm in an interesting case where I don't really have a manger. Our team is in a flux, and we have the opportunity to choose our new manager so long as they are within the same organization.
My "new" manager has been kind enough to not burden me into reluctantly accepting to be under his management if I won't be happy about it.
So the questions are:
1) How do I convey to him that I'm interested in looking at different departments as well?
2) Could I be fired/laid off after stating such an intention?
I can see how this is problematic - ah, the dilemma that plagues everybody on their pursuit of happiness. I want to ultimately be happy in my new position, but I don't want to break ties or make things awkward. Since my team and myself are in a flux state at the moment, what are the cons of stating such an intent?
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I'm in a bit of a pickle here. I work for a company in the United States. I'm in a position where there have been major team shifts in the department. New managers, new projects, stuff like that. I have the intention to leave the department in hopes of landing something new at a different department within the company.
Common wisdom says that you shouldn't state your intention to leave if you haven't already secured a new job. I get that point, but I'm in an interesting case where I don't really have a manger. Our team is in a flux, and we have the opportunity to choose our new manager so long as they are within the same organization.
My "new" manager has been kind enough to not burden me into reluctantly accepting to be under his management if I won't be happy about it.
So the questions are:
1) How do I convey to him that I'm interested in looking at different departments as well?
2) Could I be fired/laid off after stating such an intention?
I can see how this is problematic - ah, the dilemma that plagues everybody on their pursuit of happiness. I want to ultimately be happy in my new position, but I don't want to break ties or make things awkward. Since my team and myself are in a flux state at the moment, what are the cons of stating such an intent?
job-search united-states internal-transfer
edited Apr 9 '15 at 12:35
David K
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asked Apr 9 '15 at 2:04
HiChews123
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closed as off-topic by gnat, Jenny D, yochannah, Chris E, IDrinkandIKnowThings Apr 13 '15 at 16:54
This question appears to be off-topic. The users who voted to close gave this specific reason:
- "Questions seeking advice on company-specific regulations, agreements, or policies should be directed to your manager or HR department. Questions that address only a specific company or position are of limited use to future visitors. Questions seeking legal advice should be directed to legal professionals. For more information, click here." – gnat, Jenny D, yochannah, Chris E, IDrinkandIKnowThings
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Can't ask about legal without giving the location
– mhoran_psprep
Apr 9 '15 at 2:11
Laws in USA != Laws in Canada != Laws In Mexico, etc.
– Dan Neely
Apr 9 '15 at 2:41
Hehe woops, meant USA :)
– HiChews123
Apr 9 '15 at 2:48
I don't understand your use of "leave". Do you want to continue to work at the same company but transfer to a different department (you seem to be interested in this), or do you want to quit the company entirely (the usual meaning of "leave" in this context, and suggested by your concerns about breaking ties, etc.)? Are both on the table?
– Esoteric Screen Name
Apr 9 '15 at 2:58
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I believe that to some extent, employment law varies by state. So "USA" is not sufficient information to answer whether something is legal or not.
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Apr 9 '15 at 8:26
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I'm in a bit of a pickle here. I work for a company in the United States. I'm in a position where there have been major team shifts in the department. New managers, new projects, stuff like that. I have the intention to leave the department in hopes of landing something new at a different department within the company.
Common wisdom says that you shouldn't state your intention to leave if you haven't already secured a new job. I get that point, but I'm in an interesting case where I don't really have a manger. Our team is in a flux, and we have the opportunity to choose our new manager so long as they are within the same organization.
My "new" manager has been kind enough to not burden me into reluctantly accepting to be under his management if I won't be happy about it.
So the questions are:
1) How do I convey to him that I'm interested in looking at different departments as well?
2) Could I be fired/laid off after stating such an intention?
I can see how this is problematic - ah, the dilemma that plagues everybody on their pursuit of happiness. I want to ultimately be happy in my new position, but I don't want to break ties or make things awkward. Since my team and myself are in a flux state at the moment, what are the cons of stating such an intent?
job-search united-states internal-transfer
edited Apr 9 '15 at 12:35
David K
20.8k1075110
asked Apr 9 '15 at 2:04
HiChews123
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I'm in a bit of a pickle here. I work for a company in the United States. I'm in a position where there have been major team shifts in the department. New managers, new projects, stuff like that. I have the intention to leave the department in hopes of landing something new at a different department within the company.
Common wisdom says that you shouldn't state your intention to leave if you haven't already secured a new job. I get that point, but I'm in an interesting case where I don't really have a manger. Our team is in a flux, and we have the opportunity to choose our new manager so long as they are within the same organization.
My "new" manager has been kind enough to not burden me into reluctantly accepting to be under his management if I won't be happy about it.
So the questions are:
1) How do I convey to him that I'm interested in looking at different departments as well?
2) Could I be fired/laid off after stating such an intention?
I can see how this is problematic - ah, the dilemma that plagues everybody on their pursuit of happiness. I want to ultimately be happy in my new position, but I don't want to break ties or make things awkward. Since my team and myself are in a flux state at the moment, what are the cons of stating such an intent?
job-search united-states internal-transfer
edited Apr 9 '15 at 12:35
David K
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asked Apr 9 '15 at 2:04
HiChews123
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edited Apr 9 '15 at 12:35
David K
20.8k1075110
edited Apr 9 '15 at 12:35
David K
20.8k1075110
edited Apr 9 '15 at 12:35
David K
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asked Apr 9 '15 at 2:04
HiChews123
1,4142917
asked Apr 9 '15 at 2:04
HiChews123
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asked Apr 9 '15 at 2:04
HiChews123
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1,4142917
closed as off-topic by gnat, Jenny D, yochannah, Chris E, IDrinkandIKnowThings Apr 13 '15 at 16:54
This question appears to be off-topic. The users who voted to close gave this specific reason:
- "Questions seeking advice on company-specific regulations, agreements, or policies should be directed to your manager or HR department. Questions that address only a specific company or position are of limited use to future visitors. Questions seeking legal advice should be directed to legal professionals. For more information, click here." – gnat, Jenny D, yochannah, Chris E, IDrinkandIKnowThings
closed as off-topic by gnat, Jenny D, yochannah, Chris E, IDrinkandIKnowThings Apr 13 '15 at 16:54
This question appears to be off-topic. The users who voted to close gave this specific reason:
- "Questions seeking advice on company-specific regulations, agreements, or policies should be directed to your manager or HR department. Questions that address only a specific company or position are of limited use to future visitors. Questions seeking legal advice should be directed to legal professionals. For more information, click here." – gnat, Jenny D, yochannah, Chris E, IDrinkandIKnowThings
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Can't ask about legal without giving the location
– mhoran_psprep
Apr 9 '15 at 2:11
Laws in USA != Laws in Canada != Laws In Mexico, etc.
– Dan Neely
Apr 9 '15 at 2:41
Hehe woops, meant USA :)
– HiChews123
Apr 9 '15 at 2:48
I don't understand your use of "leave". Do you want to continue to work at the same company but transfer to a different department (you seem to be interested in this), or do you want to quit the company entirely (the usual meaning of "leave" in this context, and suggested by your concerns about breaking ties, etc.)? Are both on the table?
– Esoteric Screen Name
Apr 9 '15 at 2:58
2
I believe that to some extent, employment law varies by state. So "USA" is not sufficient information to answer whether something is legal or not.
– Jenny D
Apr 9 '15 at 8:26
 |Â
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Can't ask about legal without giving the location
– mhoran_psprep
Apr 9 '15 at 2:11
Laws in USA != Laws in Canada != Laws In Mexico, etc.
– Dan Neely
Apr 9 '15 at 2:41
Hehe woops, meant USA :)
– HiChews123
Apr 9 '15 at 2:48
I don't understand your use of "leave". Do you want to continue to work at the same company but transfer to a different department (you seem to be interested in this), or do you want to quit the company entirely (the usual meaning of "leave" in this context, and suggested by your concerns about breaking ties, etc.)? Are both on the table?
– Esoteric Screen Name
Apr 9 '15 at 2:58
2
I believe that to some extent, employment law varies by state. So "USA" is not sufficient information to answer whether something is legal or not.
– Jenny D
Apr 9 '15 at 8:26
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Can't ask about legal without giving the location
– mhoran_psprep
Apr 9 '15 at 2:11
Can't ask about legal without giving the location
– mhoran_psprep
Apr 9 '15 at 2:11
Laws in USA != Laws in Canada != Laws In Mexico, etc.
– Dan Neely
Apr 9 '15 at 2:41
Laws in USA != Laws in Canada != Laws In Mexico, etc.
– Dan Neely
Apr 9 '15 at 2:41
Hehe woops, meant USA :)
– HiChews123
Apr 9 '15 at 2:48
Hehe woops, meant USA :)
– HiChews123
Apr 9 '15 at 2:48
I don't understand your use of "leave". Do you want to continue to work at the same company but transfer to a different department (you seem to be interested in this), or do you want to quit the company entirely (the usual meaning of "leave" in this context, and suggested by your concerns about breaking ties, etc.)? Are both on the table?
– Esoteric Screen Name
Apr 9 '15 at 2:58
I don't understand your use of "leave". Do you want to continue to work at the same company but transfer to a different department (you seem to be interested in this), or do you want to quit the company entirely (the usual meaning of "leave" in this context, and suggested by your concerns about breaking ties, etc.)? Are both on the table?
– Esoteric Screen Name
Apr 9 '15 at 2:58
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I believe that to some extent, employment law varies by state. So "USA" is not sufficient information to answer whether something is legal or not.
– Jenny D
Apr 9 '15 at 8:26
I believe that to some extent, employment law varies by state. So "USA" is not sufficient information to answer whether something is legal or not.
– Jenny D
Apr 9 '15 at 8:26
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If you have a situation that your manager in department A wants to keep you, but the manager in department B wants you in his team as well, "the company" will not be interested in firing you, and it is likely that your manager cannot fire you when the other manager wants you (because it's probably their common manager who decides).
It wouldn't be rational of your manager to fire you for looking at jobs in different departments; it doesn't serve the interests of the company. Obviously your manager may be irrational. So I'd check out possibilities in other departments carefully if you don't trust your own manager.
You might check if your company has any policies; many companies encourage people to move from department to department to get a better understanding of the whole company and to prevent rut setting in in any department.
answered Apr 9 '15 at 7:06
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In the US it's legal to fire you with no reason at all, so unless you can show that you were fired for a specifically illegal reason I don't think the law per se can help you. You could try bringing a civil suit, but..
However, this case sounds like it might be a violation of your company's policies, so I'd suggest asking the HR department and/or your boss's boss what's going on.
I'd also check whether you were actually fired or if it was just a fit of momentary irrationality.
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If you have a situation that your manager in department A wants to keep you, but the manager in department B wants you in his team as well, "the company" will not be interested in firing you, and it is likely that your manager cannot fire you when the other manager wants you (because it's probably their common manager who decides).
It wouldn't be rational of your manager to fire you for looking at jobs in different departments; it doesn't serve the interests of the company. Obviously your manager may be irrational. So I'd check out possibilities in other departments carefully if you don't trust your own manager.
You might check if your company has any policies; many companies encourage people to move from department to department to get a better understanding of the whole company and to prevent rut setting in in any department.
answered Apr 9 '15 at 7:06
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If you have a situation that your manager in department A wants to keep you, but the manager in department B wants you in his team as well, "the company" will not be interested in firing you, and it is likely that your manager cannot fire you when the other manager wants you (because it's probably their common manager who decides).
It wouldn't be rational of your manager to fire you for looking at jobs in different departments; it doesn't serve the interests of the company. Obviously your manager may be irrational. So I'd check out possibilities in other departments carefully if you don't trust your own manager.
You might check if your company has any policies; many companies encourage people to move from department to department to get a better understanding of the whole company and to prevent rut setting in in any department.
answered Apr 9 '15 at 7:06
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If you have a situation that your manager in department A wants to keep you, but the manager in department B wants you in his team as well, "the company" will not be interested in firing you, and it is likely that your manager cannot fire you when the other manager wants you (because it's probably their common manager who decides).
It wouldn't be rational of your manager to fire you for looking at jobs in different departments; it doesn't serve the interests of the company. Obviously your manager may be irrational. So I'd check out possibilities in other departments carefully if you don't trust your own manager.
You might check if your company has any policies; many companies encourage people to move from department to department to get a better understanding of the whole company and to prevent rut setting in in any department.
answered Apr 9 '15 at 7:06
gnasher729
71k31131222
If you have a situation that your manager in department A wants to keep you, but the manager in department B wants you in his team as well, "the company" will not be interested in firing you, and it is likely that your manager cannot fire you when the other manager wants you (because it's probably their common manager who decides).
It wouldn't be rational of your manager to fire you for looking at jobs in different departments; it doesn't serve the interests of the company. Obviously your manager may be irrational. So I'd check out possibilities in other departments carefully if you don't trust your own manager.
You might check if your company has any policies; many companies encourage people to move from department to department to get a better understanding of the whole company and to prevent rut setting in in any department.
answered Apr 9 '15 at 7:06
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answered Apr 9 '15 at 7:06
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In the US it's legal to fire you with no reason at all, so unless you can show that you were fired for a specifically illegal reason I don't think the law per se can help you. You could try bringing a civil suit, but..
However, this case sounds like it might be a violation of your company's policies, so I'd suggest asking the HR department and/or your boss's boss what's going on.
I'd also check whether you were actually fired or if it was just a fit of momentary irrationality.
answered Apr 9 '15 at 3:25
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In the US it's legal to fire you with no reason at all, so unless you can show that you were fired for a specifically illegal reason I don't think the law per se can help you. You could try bringing a civil suit, but..
However, this case sounds like it might be a violation of your company's policies, so I'd suggest asking the HR department and/or your boss's boss what's going on.
I'd also check whether you were actually fired or if it was just a fit of momentary irrationality.
answered Apr 9 '15 at 3:25
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In the US it's legal to fire you with no reason at all, so unless you can show that you were fired for a specifically illegal reason I don't think the law per se can help you. You could try bringing a civil suit, but..
However, this case sounds like it might be a violation of your company's policies, so I'd suggest asking the HR department and/or your boss's boss what's going on.
I'd also check whether you were actually fired or if it was just a fit of momentary irrationality.
answered Apr 9 '15 at 3:25
keshlam
41.5k1267144
In the US it's legal to fire you with no reason at all, so unless you can show that you were fired for a specifically illegal reason I don't think the law per se can help you. You could try bringing a civil suit, but..
However, this case sounds like it might be a violation of your company's policies, so I'd suggest asking the HR department and/or your boss's boss what's going on.
I'd also check whether you were actually fired or if it was just a fit of momentary irrationality.
answered Apr 9 '15 at 3:25
keshlam
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answered Apr 9 '15 at 3:25
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answered Apr 9 '15 at 3:25
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Can't ask about legal without giving the location
– mhoran_psprep
Apr 9 '15 at 2:11
Laws in USA != Laws in Canada != Laws In Mexico, etc.
– Dan Neely
Apr 9 '15 at 2:41
Hehe woops, meant USA :)
– HiChews123
Apr 9 '15 at 2:48
I don't understand your use of "leave". Do you want to continue to work at the same company but transfer to a different department (you seem to be interested in this), or do you want to quit the company entirely (the usual meaning of "leave" in this context, and suggested by your concerns about breaking ties, etc.)? Are both on the table?
– Esoteric Screen Name
Apr 9 '15 at 2:58
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I believe that to some extent, employment law varies by state. So "USA" is not sufficient information to answer whether something is legal or not.
– Jenny D
Apr 9 '15 at 8:26