Termination vs. Solicited Resignation
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Is a solicited resignation any better than termination for an employee? Does anyone know of real-life situations where specific things were asked to be mentioned in the resignation letter. How would either of these impact their future employment prospects?
EDIT: So I think I need to clarify that it was not me that was in this situation. I was part of an audit team and a team member who was being audited was found to be non-compliant. The boss of this individual sang for blood. My question was more from an academic perspective and worry for this individual's prospects.
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Is a solicited resignation any better than termination for an employee? Does anyone know of real-life situations where specific things were asked to be mentioned in the resignation letter. How would either of these impact their future employment prospects?
EDIT: So I think I need to clarify that it was not me that was in this situation. I was part of an audit team and a team member who was being audited was found to be non-compliant. The boss of this individual sang for blood. My question was more from an academic perspective and worry for this individual's prospects.
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Where in the world are you? The terms may mean different things in different places and the implications almost certainly will be.
â Oded
Oct 26 '12 at 16:15
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Quite often, a solicited resignation is a courtesy given to high-level people in lieu of direct termination. There's often not much difference other than the person being "let go" can legitimately claim they resigned.
â Fernando
Oct 26 '12 at 16:17
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@moonstar2011 It depends. At least you can say that you resigned and weren't fired, or you can say that it was mutual. How another company interprets that will vary.
â Fernando
Oct 26 '12 at 16:55
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I would however be worried about fixing whatever problem caused them to want to fire you before you get a new position. You need to take this as a wake-up call that something is wrong that you need to change.
â HLGEM
Oct 26 '12 at 18:08
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@Oded Barring a few technicalities, wouldn't the general outcome be the same in every country due to the global nature of businesses these days?
â moonstar
Oct 27 '12 at 15:50
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up vote
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up vote
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down vote
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Is a solicited resignation any better than termination for an employee? Does anyone know of real-life situations where specific things were asked to be mentioned in the resignation letter. How would either of these impact their future employment prospects?
EDIT: So I think I need to clarify that it was not me that was in this situation. I was part of an audit team and a team member who was being audited was found to be non-compliant. The boss of this individual sang for blood. My question was more from an academic perspective and worry for this individual's prospects.
resignation termination
Is a solicited resignation any better than termination for an employee? Does anyone know of real-life situations where specific things were asked to be mentioned in the resignation letter. How would either of these impact their future employment prospects?
EDIT: So I think I need to clarify that it was not me that was in this situation. I was part of an audit team and a team member who was being audited was found to be non-compliant. The boss of this individual sang for blood. My question was more from an academic perspective and worry for this individual's prospects.
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asked Oct 26 '12 at 15:59
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Where in the world are you? The terms may mean different things in different places and the implications almost certainly will be.
â Oded
Oct 26 '12 at 16:15
4
Quite often, a solicited resignation is a courtesy given to high-level people in lieu of direct termination. There's often not much difference other than the person being "let go" can legitimately claim they resigned.
â Fernando
Oct 26 '12 at 16:17
2
@moonstar2011 It depends. At least you can say that you resigned and weren't fired, or you can say that it was mutual. How another company interprets that will vary.
â Fernando
Oct 26 '12 at 16:55
1
I would however be worried about fixing whatever problem caused them to want to fire you before you get a new position. You need to take this as a wake-up call that something is wrong that you need to change.
â HLGEM
Oct 26 '12 at 18:08
1
@Oded Barring a few technicalities, wouldn't the general outcome be the same in every country due to the global nature of businesses these days?
â moonstar
Oct 27 '12 at 15:50
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show 5 more comments
5
Where in the world are you? The terms may mean different things in different places and the implications almost certainly will be.
â Oded
Oct 26 '12 at 16:15
4
Quite often, a solicited resignation is a courtesy given to high-level people in lieu of direct termination. There's often not much difference other than the person being "let go" can legitimately claim they resigned.
â Fernando
Oct 26 '12 at 16:17
2
@moonstar2011 It depends. At least you can say that you resigned and weren't fired, or you can say that it was mutual. How another company interprets that will vary.
â Fernando
Oct 26 '12 at 16:55
1
I would however be worried about fixing whatever problem caused them to want to fire you before you get a new position. You need to take this as a wake-up call that something is wrong that you need to change.
â HLGEM
Oct 26 '12 at 18:08
1
@Oded Barring a few technicalities, wouldn't the general outcome be the same in every country due to the global nature of businesses these days?
â moonstar
Oct 27 '12 at 15:50
5
5
Where in the world are you? The terms may mean different things in different places and the implications almost certainly will be.
â Oded
Oct 26 '12 at 16:15
Where in the world are you? The terms may mean different things in different places and the implications almost certainly will be.
â Oded
Oct 26 '12 at 16:15
4
4
Quite often, a solicited resignation is a courtesy given to high-level people in lieu of direct termination. There's often not much difference other than the person being "let go" can legitimately claim they resigned.
â Fernando
Oct 26 '12 at 16:17
Quite often, a solicited resignation is a courtesy given to high-level people in lieu of direct termination. There's often not much difference other than the person being "let go" can legitimately claim they resigned.
â Fernando
Oct 26 '12 at 16:17
2
2
@moonstar2011 It depends. At least you can say that you resigned and weren't fired, or you can say that it was mutual. How another company interprets that will vary.
â Fernando
Oct 26 '12 at 16:55
@moonstar2011 It depends. At least you can say that you resigned and weren't fired, or you can say that it was mutual. How another company interprets that will vary.
â Fernando
Oct 26 '12 at 16:55
1
1
I would however be worried about fixing whatever problem caused them to want to fire you before you get a new position. You need to take this as a wake-up call that something is wrong that you need to change.
â HLGEM
Oct 26 '12 at 18:08
I would however be worried about fixing whatever problem caused them to want to fire you before you get a new position. You need to take this as a wake-up call that something is wrong that you need to change.
â HLGEM
Oct 26 '12 at 18:08
1
1
@Oded Barring a few technicalities, wouldn't the general outcome be the same in every country due to the global nature of businesses these days?
â moonstar
Oct 27 '12 at 15:50
@Oded Barring a few technicalities, wouldn't the general outcome be the same in every country due to the global nature of businesses these days?
â moonstar
Oct 27 '12 at 15:50
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In general it is much easier on the company if a person resigns than if they are terminated. In order to terminate a person in many states you have to document the reasons properly and fill out quite a few forms. If mistakes are made in this process then there could be consequences, most of which only arise in the case of a lawsuit or other legal claim. A termination process can drag on and be costly and a terminated employee can choose to challenge the termination in court and be awarded a substantial amount of damages as well as the potential that the court could order that the termination was voided. Employment law is complex and confusing made more complex by existing decisions. So companies often try to reduce the potential damages as well as the expense of going through the termination process. And even without a trial the person will be awarded unemployment if the conditions to deny are not met(in many states this bar is very high).
If a person resigns they have less of a legal standing should they try to file suit against the company for wrongful termination. They are most often not eligible for unemployment benefits.
So why would a person resign instead of being terminated?
It seems at first glance completely stacked against the business and making them go through the process seems the logical choice. The reason is because the terms of the resignation are right to choose that.
It could be as simple as will be offered a good recommendation. This is all that it would take if my company wanted me to resign. I know I have good skills and that I could find another job. The recommendation is worth more than the month or so salary I would get if I forced them through the process. Not to mention if they decide they no longer want me working there I do not need the stress of fighting to stay in a job where my employer no longer values my contributions.
Sometimes it comes with a severance package. In exchange for resigning a few weeks to a few months pay are offered. This pay allows you to continue to live while you find new work.
If there is reason for termination sometimes a law may have been broken. Having this disclosed may cause damage to the company, and the investigation can be costly. So often the company will offer to allow the person to resign. This has the effect of keeping the employee out of potential legal trouble and the company from having the expense and exposure.
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up vote
9
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Resigning lets you say "no I wasn't fired" when you're applying for future jobs. Being terminated can, under some circumstances and in some locations, allow you to collect unemployment benefits.
2
Yes, before you decide to sign the resignation, you need to checek with a labor lawyer or your local unemployment office to see if you would be leigible for unemployment benfits if you are fired insted of resigning.
â HLGEM
Oct 26 '12 at 17:18
In the UK you wouldn't be eligible for benefits straight away if you resigned, where you probably would be if you were fired.
â ChrisF
Oct 26 '12 at 22:48
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IANAL, but in the US you can't collect unemployment if you resign. This saves the employer money on unemployment insurance.
You may be able to collect unemployment if you are terminated, depending on the cause of termination. I think that to deny unemployment, the company has to prove gross negligence or malfeasance.
3
You can claim unemployment if you quit. It's more difficult though. You have to prove that you were subjected to circumstances outside your control that would have made a reasonable person quit.
â Jason Baker
Oct 28 '12 at 16:59
Also, in Canada you usually can't collect unemployment benefits if you resign. However, usually if you talk to your employer you can have them make the termination look like it is from a shortage of work (layoff) or restructuring of the company (downsizing) on paper so that you can leave on good terms and still be eligible to collect employment insurance benefits...
â Kmeixner
Oct 30 '12 at 0:07
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19
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In general it is much easier on the company if a person resigns than if they are terminated. In order to terminate a person in many states you have to document the reasons properly and fill out quite a few forms. If mistakes are made in this process then there could be consequences, most of which only arise in the case of a lawsuit or other legal claim. A termination process can drag on and be costly and a terminated employee can choose to challenge the termination in court and be awarded a substantial amount of damages as well as the potential that the court could order that the termination was voided. Employment law is complex and confusing made more complex by existing decisions. So companies often try to reduce the potential damages as well as the expense of going through the termination process. And even without a trial the person will be awarded unemployment if the conditions to deny are not met(in many states this bar is very high).
If a person resigns they have less of a legal standing should they try to file suit against the company for wrongful termination. They are most often not eligible for unemployment benefits.
So why would a person resign instead of being terminated?
It seems at first glance completely stacked against the business and making them go through the process seems the logical choice. The reason is because the terms of the resignation are right to choose that.
It could be as simple as will be offered a good recommendation. This is all that it would take if my company wanted me to resign. I know I have good skills and that I could find another job. The recommendation is worth more than the month or so salary I would get if I forced them through the process. Not to mention if they decide they no longer want me working there I do not need the stress of fighting to stay in a job where my employer no longer values my contributions.
Sometimes it comes with a severance package. In exchange for resigning a few weeks to a few months pay are offered. This pay allows you to continue to live while you find new work.
If there is reason for termination sometimes a law may have been broken. Having this disclosed may cause damage to the company, and the investigation can be costly. So often the company will offer to allow the person to resign. This has the effect of keeping the employee out of potential legal trouble and the company from having the expense and exposure.
add a comment |Â
up vote
19
down vote
In general it is much easier on the company if a person resigns than if they are terminated. In order to terminate a person in many states you have to document the reasons properly and fill out quite a few forms. If mistakes are made in this process then there could be consequences, most of which only arise in the case of a lawsuit or other legal claim. A termination process can drag on and be costly and a terminated employee can choose to challenge the termination in court and be awarded a substantial amount of damages as well as the potential that the court could order that the termination was voided. Employment law is complex and confusing made more complex by existing decisions. So companies often try to reduce the potential damages as well as the expense of going through the termination process. And even without a trial the person will be awarded unemployment if the conditions to deny are not met(in many states this bar is very high).
If a person resigns they have less of a legal standing should they try to file suit against the company for wrongful termination. They are most often not eligible for unemployment benefits.
So why would a person resign instead of being terminated?
It seems at first glance completely stacked against the business and making them go through the process seems the logical choice. The reason is because the terms of the resignation are right to choose that.
It could be as simple as will be offered a good recommendation. This is all that it would take if my company wanted me to resign. I know I have good skills and that I could find another job. The recommendation is worth more than the month or so salary I would get if I forced them through the process. Not to mention if they decide they no longer want me working there I do not need the stress of fighting to stay in a job where my employer no longer values my contributions.
Sometimes it comes with a severance package. In exchange for resigning a few weeks to a few months pay are offered. This pay allows you to continue to live while you find new work.
If there is reason for termination sometimes a law may have been broken. Having this disclosed may cause damage to the company, and the investigation can be costly. So often the company will offer to allow the person to resign. This has the effect of keeping the employee out of potential legal trouble and the company from having the expense and exposure.
add a comment |Â
up vote
19
down vote
up vote
19
down vote
In general it is much easier on the company if a person resigns than if they are terminated. In order to terminate a person in many states you have to document the reasons properly and fill out quite a few forms. If mistakes are made in this process then there could be consequences, most of which only arise in the case of a lawsuit or other legal claim. A termination process can drag on and be costly and a terminated employee can choose to challenge the termination in court and be awarded a substantial amount of damages as well as the potential that the court could order that the termination was voided. Employment law is complex and confusing made more complex by existing decisions. So companies often try to reduce the potential damages as well as the expense of going through the termination process. And even without a trial the person will be awarded unemployment if the conditions to deny are not met(in many states this bar is very high).
If a person resigns they have less of a legal standing should they try to file suit against the company for wrongful termination. They are most often not eligible for unemployment benefits.
So why would a person resign instead of being terminated?
It seems at first glance completely stacked against the business and making them go through the process seems the logical choice. The reason is because the terms of the resignation are right to choose that.
It could be as simple as will be offered a good recommendation. This is all that it would take if my company wanted me to resign. I know I have good skills and that I could find another job. The recommendation is worth more than the month or so salary I would get if I forced them through the process. Not to mention if they decide they no longer want me working there I do not need the stress of fighting to stay in a job where my employer no longer values my contributions.
Sometimes it comes with a severance package. In exchange for resigning a few weeks to a few months pay are offered. This pay allows you to continue to live while you find new work.
If there is reason for termination sometimes a law may have been broken. Having this disclosed may cause damage to the company, and the investigation can be costly. So often the company will offer to allow the person to resign. This has the effect of keeping the employee out of potential legal trouble and the company from having the expense and exposure.
In general it is much easier on the company if a person resigns than if they are terminated. In order to terminate a person in many states you have to document the reasons properly and fill out quite a few forms. If mistakes are made in this process then there could be consequences, most of which only arise in the case of a lawsuit or other legal claim. A termination process can drag on and be costly and a terminated employee can choose to challenge the termination in court and be awarded a substantial amount of damages as well as the potential that the court could order that the termination was voided. Employment law is complex and confusing made more complex by existing decisions. So companies often try to reduce the potential damages as well as the expense of going through the termination process. And even without a trial the person will be awarded unemployment if the conditions to deny are not met(in many states this bar is very high).
If a person resigns they have less of a legal standing should they try to file suit against the company for wrongful termination. They are most often not eligible for unemployment benefits.
So why would a person resign instead of being terminated?
It seems at first glance completely stacked against the business and making them go through the process seems the logical choice. The reason is because the terms of the resignation are right to choose that.
It could be as simple as will be offered a good recommendation. This is all that it would take if my company wanted me to resign. I know I have good skills and that I could find another job. The recommendation is worth more than the month or so salary I would get if I forced them through the process. Not to mention if they decide they no longer want me working there I do not need the stress of fighting to stay in a job where my employer no longer values my contributions.
Sometimes it comes with a severance package. In exchange for resigning a few weeks to a few months pay are offered. This pay allows you to continue to live while you find new work.
If there is reason for termination sometimes a law may have been broken. Having this disclosed may cause damage to the company, and the investigation can be costly. So often the company will offer to allow the person to resign. This has the effect of keeping the employee out of potential legal trouble and the company from having the expense and exposure.
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Resigning lets you say "no I wasn't fired" when you're applying for future jobs. Being terminated can, under some circumstances and in some locations, allow you to collect unemployment benefits.
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Yes, before you decide to sign the resignation, you need to checek with a labor lawyer or your local unemployment office to see if you would be leigible for unemployment benfits if you are fired insted of resigning.
â HLGEM
Oct 26 '12 at 17:18
In the UK you wouldn't be eligible for benefits straight away if you resigned, where you probably would be if you were fired.
â ChrisF
Oct 26 '12 at 22:48
add a comment |Â
up vote
9
down vote
Resigning lets you say "no I wasn't fired" when you're applying for future jobs. Being terminated can, under some circumstances and in some locations, allow you to collect unemployment benefits.
2
Yes, before you decide to sign the resignation, you need to checek with a labor lawyer or your local unemployment office to see if you would be leigible for unemployment benfits if you are fired insted of resigning.
â HLGEM
Oct 26 '12 at 17:18
In the UK you wouldn't be eligible for benefits straight away if you resigned, where you probably would be if you were fired.
â ChrisF
Oct 26 '12 at 22:48
add a comment |Â
up vote
9
down vote
up vote
9
down vote
Resigning lets you say "no I wasn't fired" when you're applying for future jobs. Being terminated can, under some circumstances and in some locations, allow you to collect unemployment benefits.
Resigning lets you say "no I wasn't fired" when you're applying for future jobs. Being terminated can, under some circumstances and in some locations, allow you to collect unemployment benefits.
answered Oct 26 '12 at 16:52
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Yes, before you decide to sign the resignation, you need to checek with a labor lawyer or your local unemployment office to see if you would be leigible for unemployment benfits if you are fired insted of resigning.
â HLGEM
Oct 26 '12 at 17:18
In the UK you wouldn't be eligible for benefits straight away if you resigned, where you probably would be if you were fired.
â ChrisF
Oct 26 '12 at 22:48
add a comment |Â
2
Yes, before you decide to sign the resignation, you need to checek with a labor lawyer or your local unemployment office to see if you would be leigible for unemployment benfits if you are fired insted of resigning.
â HLGEM
Oct 26 '12 at 17:18
In the UK you wouldn't be eligible for benefits straight away if you resigned, where you probably would be if you were fired.
â ChrisF
Oct 26 '12 at 22:48
2
2
Yes, before you decide to sign the resignation, you need to checek with a labor lawyer or your local unemployment office to see if you would be leigible for unemployment benfits if you are fired insted of resigning.
â HLGEM
Oct 26 '12 at 17:18
Yes, before you decide to sign the resignation, you need to checek with a labor lawyer or your local unemployment office to see if you would be leigible for unemployment benfits if you are fired insted of resigning.
â HLGEM
Oct 26 '12 at 17:18
In the UK you wouldn't be eligible for benefits straight away if you resigned, where you probably would be if you were fired.
â ChrisF
Oct 26 '12 at 22:48
In the UK you wouldn't be eligible for benefits straight away if you resigned, where you probably would be if you were fired.
â ChrisF
Oct 26 '12 at 22:48
add a comment |Â
up vote
6
down vote
IANAL, but in the US you can't collect unemployment if you resign. This saves the employer money on unemployment insurance.
You may be able to collect unemployment if you are terminated, depending on the cause of termination. I think that to deny unemployment, the company has to prove gross negligence or malfeasance.
3
You can claim unemployment if you quit. It's more difficult though. You have to prove that you were subjected to circumstances outside your control that would have made a reasonable person quit.
â Jason Baker
Oct 28 '12 at 16:59
Also, in Canada you usually can't collect unemployment benefits if you resign. However, usually if you talk to your employer you can have them make the termination look like it is from a shortage of work (layoff) or restructuring of the company (downsizing) on paper so that you can leave on good terms and still be eligible to collect employment insurance benefits...
â Kmeixner
Oct 30 '12 at 0:07
add a comment |Â
up vote
6
down vote
IANAL, but in the US you can't collect unemployment if you resign. This saves the employer money on unemployment insurance.
You may be able to collect unemployment if you are terminated, depending on the cause of termination. I think that to deny unemployment, the company has to prove gross negligence or malfeasance.
3
You can claim unemployment if you quit. It's more difficult though. You have to prove that you were subjected to circumstances outside your control that would have made a reasonable person quit.
â Jason Baker
Oct 28 '12 at 16:59
Also, in Canada you usually can't collect unemployment benefits if you resign. However, usually if you talk to your employer you can have them make the termination look like it is from a shortage of work (layoff) or restructuring of the company (downsizing) on paper so that you can leave on good terms and still be eligible to collect employment insurance benefits...
â Kmeixner
Oct 30 '12 at 0:07
add a comment |Â
up vote
6
down vote
up vote
6
down vote
IANAL, but in the US you can't collect unemployment if you resign. This saves the employer money on unemployment insurance.
You may be able to collect unemployment if you are terminated, depending on the cause of termination. I think that to deny unemployment, the company has to prove gross negligence or malfeasance.
IANAL, but in the US you can't collect unemployment if you resign. This saves the employer money on unemployment insurance.
You may be able to collect unemployment if you are terminated, depending on the cause of termination. I think that to deny unemployment, the company has to prove gross negligence or malfeasance.
answered Oct 27 '12 at 16:00
kevin cline
15.6k43861
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You can claim unemployment if you quit. It's more difficult though. You have to prove that you were subjected to circumstances outside your control that would have made a reasonable person quit.
â Jason Baker
Oct 28 '12 at 16:59
Also, in Canada you usually can't collect unemployment benefits if you resign. However, usually if you talk to your employer you can have them make the termination look like it is from a shortage of work (layoff) or restructuring of the company (downsizing) on paper so that you can leave on good terms and still be eligible to collect employment insurance benefits...
â Kmeixner
Oct 30 '12 at 0:07
add a comment |Â
3
You can claim unemployment if you quit. It's more difficult though. You have to prove that you were subjected to circumstances outside your control that would have made a reasonable person quit.
â Jason Baker
Oct 28 '12 at 16:59
Also, in Canada you usually can't collect unemployment benefits if you resign. However, usually if you talk to your employer you can have them make the termination look like it is from a shortage of work (layoff) or restructuring of the company (downsizing) on paper so that you can leave on good terms and still be eligible to collect employment insurance benefits...
â Kmeixner
Oct 30 '12 at 0:07
3
3
You can claim unemployment if you quit. It's more difficult though. You have to prove that you were subjected to circumstances outside your control that would have made a reasonable person quit.
â Jason Baker
Oct 28 '12 at 16:59
You can claim unemployment if you quit. It's more difficult though. You have to prove that you were subjected to circumstances outside your control that would have made a reasonable person quit.
â Jason Baker
Oct 28 '12 at 16:59
Also, in Canada you usually can't collect unemployment benefits if you resign. However, usually if you talk to your employer you can have them make the termination look like it is from a shortage of work (layoff) or restructuring of the company (downsizing) on paper so that you can leave on good terms and still be eligible to collect employment insurance benefits...
â Kmeixner
Oct 30 '12 at 0:07
Also, in Canada you usually can't collect unemployment benefits if you resign. However, usually if you talk to your employer you can have them make the termination look like it is from a shortage of work (layoff) or restructuring of the company (downsizing) on paper so that you can leave on good terms and still be eligible to collect employment insurance benefits...
â Kmeixner
Oct 30 '12 at 0:07
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Where in the world are you? The terms may mean different things in different places and the implications almost certainly will be.
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Oct 26 '12 at 16:15
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Quite often, a solicited resignation is a courtesy given to high-level people in lieu of direct termination. There's often not much difference other than the person being "let go" can legitimately claim they resigned.
â Fernando
Oct 26 '12 at 16:17
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@moonstar2011 It depends. At least you can say that you resigned and weren't fired, or you can say that it was mutual. How another company interprets that will vary.
â Fernando
Oct 26 '12 at 16:55
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I would however be worried about fixing whatever problem caused them to want to fire you before you get a new position. You need to take this as a wake-up call that something is wrong that you need to change.
â HLGEM
Oct 26 '12 at 18:08
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@Oded Barring a few technicalities, wouldn't the general outcome be the same in every country due to the global nature of businesses these days?
â moonstar
Oct 27 '12 at 15:50