Is there a standard way to represent confidential programming work? [duplicate]

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I've worked with a few startups which are still operating in stealth mode, and/or which are working on confidential or otherwise non-public projects.



Is there a standard way to report on this kind of work in a resume, where the employer may not want to be named or publicized?







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    Possible duplicate?workplace.stackexchange.com/q/3890/869
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  • Hi blueberryfields, can you edit your post and clarify what makes this different from the linked duplicate, assuming the other answers in the dup don't answer your question? We may close this and merge the answers with the other post if there are no differences. Hope this helps! :)
    – jmort253♦
    Mar 8 '13 at 19:32







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    I think the difference is that in the linked question, the OP is determining what they do not want to include, for personal reasons, and here the organization has made that determination themselves. There's a difference in intention, and this manifests itself in differences in tone and information provided both on the resume/cover letter and throughout the interview/verification process -- both the concrete "how" and the why, etc.
    – jcmeloni
    Mar 8 '13 at 19:40










  • @jcmeloni - Makes sense! Thanks for weighing in! :)
    – jmort253♦
    Mar 8 '13 at 23:43
















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  • How should you list a sensitive or questionable project that provided great experience on your resume?

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I've worked with a few startups which are still operating in stealth mode, and/or which are working on confidential or otherwise non-public projects.



Is there a standard way to report on this kind of work in a resume, where the employer may not want to be named or publicized?







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marked as duplicate by Jim G., IDrinkandIKnowThings, CincinnatiProgrammer, alroc, Mark Booth Mar 12 '13 at 11:00


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    Possible duplicate?workplace.stackexchange.com/q/3890/869
    – yoozer8
    Mar 8 '13 at 18:16










  • Hi blueberryfields, can you edit your post and clarify what makes this different from the linked duplicate, assuming the other answers in the dup don't answer your question? We may close this and merge the answers with the other post if there are no differences. Hope this helps! :)
    – jmort253♦
    Mar 8 '13 at 19:32







  • 2




    I think the difference is that in the linked question, the OP is determining what they do not want to include, for personal reasons, and here the organization has made that determination themselves. There's a difference in intention, and this manifests itself in differences in tone and information provided both on the resume/cover letter and throughout the interview/verification process -- both the concrete "how" and the why, etc.
    – jcmeloni
    Mar 8 '13 at 19:40










  • @jcmeloni - Makes sense! Thanks for weighing in! :)
    – jmort253♦
    Mar 8 '13 at 23:43












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  • How should you list a sensitive or questionable project that provided great experience on your resume?

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I've worked with a few startups which are still operating in stealth mode, and/or which are working on confidential or otherwise non-public projects.



Is there a standard way to report on this kind of work in a resume, where the employer may not want to be named or publicized?







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I've worked with a few startups which are still operating in stealth mode, and/or which are working on confidential or otherwise non-public projects.



Is there a standard way to report on this kind of work in a resume, where the employer may not want to be named or publicized?





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marked as duplicate by Jim G., IDrinkandIKnowThings, CincinnatiProgrammer, alroc, Mark Booth Mar 12 '13 at 11:00


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    Possible duplicate?workplace.stackexchange.com/q/3890/869
    – yoozer8
    Mar 8 '13 at 18:16










  • Hi blueberryfields, can you edit your post and clarify what makes this different from the linked duplicate, assuming the other answers in the dup don't answer your question? We may close this and merge the answers with the other post if there are no differences. Hope this helps! :)
    – jmort253♦
    Mar 8 '13 at 19:32







  • 2




    I think the difference is that in the linked question, the OP is determining what they do not want to include, for personal reasons, and here the organization has made that determination themselves. There's a difference in intention, and this manifests itself in differences in tone and information provided both on the resume/cover letter and throughout the interview/verification process -- both the concrete "how" and the why, etc.
    – jcmeloni
    Mar 8 '13 at 19:40










  • @jcmeloni - Makes sense! Thanks for weighing in! :)
    – jmort253♦
    Mar 8 '13 at 23:43












  • 4




    Possible duplicate?workplace.stackexchange.com/q/3890/869
    – yoozer8
    Mar 8 '13 at 18:16










  • Hi blueberryfields, can you edit your post and clarify what makes this different from the linked duplicate, assuming the other answers in the dup don't answer your question? We may close this and merge the answers with the other post if there are no differences. Hope this helps! :)
    – jmort253♦
    Mar 8 '13 at 19:32







  • 2




    I think the difference is that in the linked question, the OP is determining what they do not want to include, for personal reasons, and here the organization has made that determination themselves. There's a difference in intention, and this manifests itself in differences in tone and information provided both on the resume/cover letter and throughout the interview/verification process -- both the concrete "how" and the why, etc.
    – jcmeloni
    Mar 8 '13 at 19:40










  • @jcmeloni - Makes sense! Thanks for weighing in! :)
    – jmort253♦
    Mar 8 '13 at 23:43







4




4




Possible duplicate?workplace.stackexchange.com/q/3890/869
– yoozer8
Mar 8 '13 at 18:16




Possible duplicate?workplace.stackexchange.com/q/3890/869
– yoozer8
Mar 8 '13 at 18:16












Hi blueberryfields, can you edit your post and clarify what makes this different from the linked duplicate, assuming the other answers in the dup don't answer your question? We may close this and merge the answers with the other post if there are no differences. Hope this helps! :)
– jmort253♦
Mar 8 '13 at 19:32





Hi blueberryfields, can you edit your post and clarify what makes this different from the linked duplicate, assuming the other answers in the dup don't answer your question? We may close this and merge the answers with the other post if there are no differences. Hope this helps! :)
– jmort253♦
Mar 8 '13 at 19:32





2




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I think the difference is that in the linked question, the OP is determining what they do not want to include, for personal reasons, and here the organization has made that determination themselves. There's a difference in intention, and this manifests itself in differences in tone and information provided both on the resume/cover letter and throughout the interview/verification process -- both the concrete "how" and the why, etc.
– jcmeloni
Mar 8 '13 at 19:40




I think the difference is that in the linked question, the OP is determining what they do not want to include, for personal reasons, and here the organization has made that determination themselves. There's a difference in intention, and this manifests itself in differences in tone and information provided both on the resume/cover letter and throughout the interview/verification process -- both the concrete "how" and the why, etc.
– jcmeloni
Mar 8 '13 at 19:40












@jcmeloni - Makes sense! Thanks for weighing in! :)
– jmort253♦
Mar 8 '13 at 23:43




@jcmeloni - Makes sense! Thanks for weighing in! :)
– jmort253♦
Mar 8 '13 at 23:43










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If they're that confidential/secretive, you should probably talk to them first, if you think there's a chance that they'll take legal action against you if they feel you've given away too much. You could say something like:




"I need to list you as a former employer on my resume, how would you like me to describe you?"







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    I think I'd go one further and rather than say I need to list you, instead ask if they wouldn't mind, simply out of good manners.
    – R4D4
    Mar 8 '13 at 17:07






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    Or simply "How should I list you on my résumé?"
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How I've done it in the past (as a developer) and how I see it (and am fine with it) as a hiring manager is:



Job Title, (Confidential Company), fromdate - todate 
Description of work/duties/responsibilities in as generic but useful way as possible.

Note: Company is operating in stealth mode and wishes to remain anonymous, but
can verify employment.





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  • When you get to that stage, HR understands about maintaining confidentiality and you tell them, but if the company absolutely refuses to even answer that question, then you say that as well.
    – jcmeloni
    Mar 8 '13 at 17:55







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    The question is whether or not there is a standard way to present known information on this subject on your resume. As a rule, you don't put information on your resume that isn't true. Therefore, whatever you put on your resume in this (and other) regard should be true, and there are commonly accepted/acceptable ways of doing so in this situation, as I indicate in my example as the answer to the OP's question.
    – jcmeloni
    Mar 8 '13 at 18:07











  • The hiring company's HR will want to see the NDA that you're under from the stealth outfit anyway, and there's a good chance that NDA will require you to provide a copy to your new employer. So they're gonna know who each other are.
    – Ross Patterson
    Mar 11 '13 at 23:39

















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2 Answers
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active

oldest

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active

oldest

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active

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up vote
12
down vote



accepted










If they're that confidential/secretive, you should probably talk to them first, if you think there's a chance that they'll take legal action against you if they feel you've given away too much. You could say something like:




"I need to list you as a former employer on my resume, how would you like me to describe you?"







share|improve this answer
















  • 2




    I think I'd go one further and rather than say I need to list you, instead ask if they wouldn't mind, simply out of good manners.
    – R4D4
    Mar 8 '13 at 17:07






  • 2




    Or simply "How should I list you on my résumé?"
    – Caleb
    Mar 8 '13 at 17:11














up vote
12
down vote



accepted










If they're that confidential/secretive, you should probably talk to them first, if you think there's a chance that they'll take legal action against you if they feel you've given away too much. You could say something like:




"I need to list you as a former employer on my resume, how would you like me to describe you?"







share|improve this answer
















  • 2




    I think I'd go one further and rather than say I need to list you, instead ask if they wouldn't mind, simply out of good manners.
    – R4D4
    Mar 8 '13 at 17:07






  • 2




    Or simply "How should I list you on my résumé?"
    – Caleb
    Mar 8 '13 at 17:11












up vote
12
down vote



accepted







up vote
12
down vote



accepted






If they're that confidential/secretive, you should probably talk to them first, if you think there's a chance that they'll take legal action against you if they feel you've given away too much. You could say something like:




"I need to list you as a former employer on my resume, how would you like me to describe you?"







share|improve this answer












If they're that confidential/secretive, you should probably talk to them first, if you think there's a chance that they'll take legal action against you if they feel you've given away too much. You could say something like:




"I need to list you as a former employer on my resume, how would you like me to describe you?"








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answered Mar 8 '13 at 16:30









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  • 2




    I think I'd go one further and rather than say I need to list you, instead ask if they wouldn't mind, simply out of good manners.
    – R4D4
    Mar 8 '13 at 17:07






  • 2




    Or simply "How should I list you on my résumé?"
    – Caleb
    Mar 8 '13 at 17:11












  • 2




    I think I'd go one further and rather than say I need to list you, instead ask if they wouldn't mind, simply out of good manners.
    – R4D4
    Mar 8 '13 at 17:07






  • 2




    Or simply "How should I list you on my résumé?"
    – Caleb
    Mar 8 '13 at 17:11







2




2




I think I'd go one further and rather than say I need to list you, instead ask if they wouldn't mind, simply out of good manners.
– R4D4
Mar 8 '13 at 17:07




I think I'd go one further and rather than say I need to list you, instead ask if they wouldn't mind, simply out of good manners.
– R4D4
Mar 8 '13 at 17:07




2




2




Or simply "How should I list you on my résumé?"
– Caleb
Mar 8 '13 at 17:11




Or simply "How should I list you on my résumé?"
– Caleb
Mar 8 '13 at 17:11












up vote
5
down vote













How I've done it in the past (as a developer) and how I see it (and am fine with it) as a hiring manager is:



Job Title, (Confidential Company), fromdate - todate 
Description of work/duties/responsibilities in as generic but useful way as possible.

Note: Company is operating in stealth mode and wishes to remain anonymous, but
can verify employment.





share|improve this answer




















  • When you get to that stage, HR understands about maintaining confidentiality and you tell them, but if the company absolutely refuses to even answer that question, then you say that as well.
    – jcmeloni
    Mar 8 '13 at 17:55







  • 2




    The question is whether or not there is a standard way to present known information on this subject on your resume. As a rule, you don't put information on your resume that isn't true. Therefore, whatever you put on your resume in this (and other) regard should be true, and there are commonly accepted/acceptable ways of doing so in this situation, as I indicate in my example as the answer to the OP's question.
    – jcmeloni
    Mar 8 '13 at 18:07











  • The hiring company's HR will want to see the NDA that you're under from the stealth outfit anyway, and there's a good chance that NDA will require you to provide a copy to your new employer. So they're gonna know who each other are.
    – Ross Patterson
    Mar 11 '13 at 23:39














up vote
5
down vote













How I've done it in the past (as a developer) and how I see it (and am fine with it) as a hiring manager is:



Job Title, (Confidential Company), fromdate - todate 
Description of work/duties/responsibilities in as generic but useful way as possible.

Note: Company is operating in stealth mode and wishes to remain anonymous, but
can verify employment.





share|improve this answer




















  • When you get to that stage, HR understands about maintaining confidentiality and you tell them, but if the company absolutely refuses to even answer that question, then you say that as well.
    – jcmeloni
    Mar 8 '13 at 17:55







  • 2




    The question is whether or not there is a standard way to present known information on this subject on your resume. As a rule, you don't put information on your resume that isn't true. Therefore, whatever you put on your resume in this (and other) regard should be true, and there are commonly accepted/acceptable ways of doing so in this situation, as I indicate in my example as the answer to the OP's question.
    – jcmeloni
    Mar 8 '13 at 18:07











  • The hiring company's HR will want to see the NDA that you're under from the stealth outfit anyway, and there's a good chance that NDA will require you to provide a copy to your new employer. So they're gonna know who each other are.
    – Ross Patterson
    Mar 11 '13 at 23:39












up vote
5
down vote










up vote
5
down vote









How I've done it in the past (as a developer) and how I see it (and am fine with it) as a hiring manager is:



Job Title, (Confidential Company), fromdate - todate 
Description of work/duties/responsibilities in as generic but useful way as possible.

Note: Company is operating in stealth mode and wishes to remain anonymous, but
can verify employment.





share|improve this answer












How I've done it in the past (as a developer) and how I see it (and am fine with it) as a hiring manager is:



Job Title, (Confidential Company), fromdate - todate 
Description of work/duties/responsibilities in as generic but useful way as possible.

Note: Company is operating in stealth mode and wishes to remain anonymous, but
can verify employment.






share|improve this answer












share|improve this answer



share|improve this answer










answered Mar 8 '13 at 17:14









jcmeloni

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  • When you get to that stage, HR understands about maintaining confidentiality and you tell them, but if the company absolutely refuses to even answer that question, then you say that as well.
    – jcmeloni
    Mar 8 '13 at 17:55







  • 2




    The question is whether or not there is a standard way to present known information on this subject on your resume. As a rule, you don't put information on your resume that isn't true. Therefore, whatever you put on your resume in this (and other) regard should be true, and there are commonly accepted/acceptable ways of doing so in this situation, as I indicate in my example as the answer to the OP's question.
    – jcmeloni
    Mar 8 '13 at 18:07











  • The hiring company's HR will want to see the NDA that you're under from the stealth outfit anyway, and there's a good chance that NDA will require you to provide a copy to your new employer. So they're gonna know who each other are.
    – Ross Patterson
    Mar 11 '13 at 23:39
















  • When you get to that stage, HR understands about maintaining confidentiality and you tell them, but if the company absolutely refuses to even answer that question, then you say that as well.
    – jcmeloni
    Mar 8 '13 at 17:55







  • 2




    The question is whether or not there is a standard way to present known information on this subject on your resume. As a rule, you don't put information on your resume that isn't true. Therefore, whatever you put on your resume in this (and other) regard should be true, and there are commonly accepted/acceptable ways of doing so in this situation, as I indicate in my example as the answer to the OP's question.
    – jcmeloni
    Mar 8 '13 at 18:07











  • The hiring company's HR will want to see the NDA that you're under from the stealth outfit anyway, and there's a good chance that NDA will require you to provide a copy to your new employer. So they're gonna know who each other are.
    – Ross Patterson
    Mar 11 '13 at 23:39















When you get to that stage, HR understands about maintaining confidentiality and you tell them, but if the company absolutely refuses to even answer that question, then you say that as well.
– jcmeloni
Mar 8 '13 at 17:55





When you get to that stage, HR understands about maintaining confidentiality and you tell them, but if the company absolutely refuses to even answer that question, then you say that as well.
– jcmeloni
Mar 8 '13 at 17:55





2




2




The question is whether or not there is a standard way to present known information on this subject on your resume. As a rule, you don't put information on your resume that isn't true. Therefore, whatever you put on your resume in this (and other) regard should be true, and there are commonly accepted/acceptable ways of doing so in this situation, as I indicate in my example as the answer to the OP's question.
– jcmeloni
Mar 8 '13 at 18:07





The question is whether or not there is a standard way to present known information on this subject on your resume. As a rule, you don't put information on your resume that isn't true. Therefore, whatever you put on your resume in this (and other) regard should be true, and there are commonly accepted/acceptable ways of doing so in this situation, as I indicate in my example as the answer to the OP's question.
– jcmeloni
Mar 8 '13 at 18:07













The hiring company's HR will want to see the NDA that you're under from the stealth outfit anyway, and there's a good chance that NDA will require you to provide a copy to your new employer. So they're gonna know who each other are.
– Ross Patterson
Mar 11 '13 at 23:39




The hiring company's HR will want to see the NDA that you're under from the stealth outfit anyway, and there's a good chance that NDA will require you to provide a copy to your new employer. So they're gonna know who each other are.
– Ross Patterson
Mar 11 '13 at 23:39


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