Initial job offer, how do I ask more because it is even less than the minimum salary advertised for this position? [duplicate]

Clash Royale CLAN TAG#URR8PPP

.everyoneloves__top-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__mid-leaderboard:empty margin-bottom:0;

up vote
6
down vote

favorite

This question already has an answer here:

• 
  Just got an initial job offer. How do I ask for more without any real justification?
  
  10 answers
  
  

I have just got an initial job offer for $75k + benefits. However, the salary for this job was $40 to $50/hr (advertised on their website). This is my first job in the USA, and I have no industry experience, so for someone in my position it is a great offer.

However, as I mentioned, it is less that what it was advertised on the website ($36 per hour). I really need this job, and I don't want to lose it. Yet, I feel like I should give a counter offer (at least $10k/year more).

Considering my situation, do you think it is a good idea to ask for more (at least up to the minimum salary for this position)? As I mentioned, it is really really important for me to not lose this position!

career-development salary job-offer careers

share|improve this question

edited Feb 19 '13 at 3:02

jmort253♦

10.4k54376

asked Feb 19 '13 at 2:22

ethen

312

marked as duplicate by jcmeloni, scaaahu, gnat, Rhys, CincinnatiProgrammer Feb 19 '13 at 12:27

This question has been asked before and already has an answer. If those answers do not fully address your question, please ask a new question.

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Hi Ethen, your post here sounds very close to Just got an initial job offer. How do I ask for more without any real justification?. Can you edit this and explain what in the other post doesn't answer your question so we don't close this one as a duplicate? Thank you! :)
  – jmort253♦
  Feb 19 '13 at 3:05
  
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $75k + benefits is considerably more than $40/hour unless you will be putting in a lot of overtime
  – kevin cline
  Feb 19 '13 at 5:34
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  2
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  thanks kevin for your reply, the work is from 8 to 5 pm . lets say 8 hours per day and 40 hours per week . so the minimum salary should be at least 83k
  – ethen
  Feb 19 '13 at 7:10
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  3
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  hi jmort253, I think I am in a different situation be cause the offered salary is even less than the minimum salary which was advertised for this position so I think I have enough justification for asking more money
  – ethen
  Feb 19 '13 at 7:13
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  In the US the hourly, monthly, yearly rates used in advertisements, and when people say I make X is the money being paid, the benefits and paid time off is on top of that rate. $40 per hour is $83,200 per year plus benefits.
  – mhoran_psprep
  Feb 19 '13 at 11:05
  

  
  
  
  

 | 
show 1 more comment

up vote
6
down vote

favorite

This question already has an answer here:

• 
  Just got an initial job offer. How do I ask for more without any real justification?
  
  10 answers
  
  

I have just got an initial job offer for $75k + benefits. However, the salary for this job was $40 to $50/hr (advertised on their website). This is my first job in the USA, and I have no industry experience, so for someone in my position it is a great offer.

However, as I mentioned, it is less that what it was advertised on the website ($36 per hour). I really need this job, and I don't want to lose it. Yet, I feel like I should give a counter offer (at least $10k/year more).

Considering my situation, do you think it is a good idea to ask for more (at least up to the minimum salary for this position)? As I mentioned, it is really really important for me to not lose this position!

career-development salary job-offer careers

share|improve this question

edited Feb 19 '13 at 3:02

jmort253♦

10.4k54376

asked Feb 19 '13 at 2:22

ethen

312

marked as duplicate by jcmeloni, scaaahu, gnat, Rhys, CincinnatiProgrammer Feb 19 '13 at 12:27

This question has been asked before and already has an answer. If those answers do not fully address your question, please ask a new question.

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Hi Ethen, your post here sounds very close to Just got an initial job offer. How do I ask for more without any real justification?. Can you edit this and explain what in the other post doesn't answer your question so we don't close this one as a duplicate? Thank you! :)
  – jmort253♦
  Feb 19 '13 at 3:05
  
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $75k + benefits is considerably more than $40/hour unless you will be putting in a lot of overtime
  – kevin cline
  Feb 19 '13 at 5:34
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  2
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  thanks kevin for your reply, the work is from 8 to 5 pm . lets say 8 hours per day and 40 hours per week . so the minimum salary should be at least 83k
  – ethen
  Feb 19 '13 at 7:10
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  3
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  hi jmort253, I think I am in a different situation be cause the offered salary is even less than the minimum salary which was advertised for this position so I think I have enough justification for asking more money
  – ethen
  Feb 19 '13 at 7:13
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  In the US the hourly, monthly, yearly rates used in advertisements, and when people say I make X is the money being paid, the benefits and paid time off is on top of that rate. $40 per hour is $83,200 per year plus benefits.
  – mhoran_psprep
  Feb 19 '13 at 11:05
  

  
  
  
  

 | 
show 1 more comment

up vote
6
down vote

favorite

up vote
6
down vote

favorite

This question already has an answer here:

• 
  Just got an initial job offer. How do I ask for more without any real justification?
  
  10 answers
  
  

I have just got an initial job offer for $75k + benefits. However, the salary for this job was $40 to $50/hr (advertised on their website). This is my first job in the USA, and I have no industry experience, so for someone in my position it is a great offer.

However, as I mentioned, it is less that what it was advertised on the website ($36 per hour). I really need this job, and I don't want to lose it. Yet, I feel like I should give a counter offer (at least $10k/year more).

Considering my situation, do you think it is a good idea to ask for more (at least up to the minimum salary for this position)? As I mentioned, it is really really important for me to not lose this position!

career-development salary job-offer careers

share|improve this question

edited Feb 19 '13 at 3:02

jmort253♦

10.4k54376

asked Feb 19 '13 at 2:22

ethen

312

This question already has an answer here:

• 
  Just got an initial job offer. How do I ask for more without any real justification?
  
  10 answers
  
  

I have just got an initial job offer for $75k + benefits. However, the salary for this job was $40 to $50/hr (advertised on their website). This is my first job in the USA, and I have no industry experience, so for someone in my position it is a great offer.

However, as I mentioned, it is less that what it was advertised on the website ($36 per hour). I really need this job, and I don't want to lose it. Yet, I feel like I should give a counter offer (at least $10k/year more).

Considering my situation, do you think it is a good idea to ask for more (at least up to the minimum salary for this position)? As I mentioned, it is really really important for me to not lose this position!

This question already has an answer here:

• 
  Just got an initial job offer. How do I ask for more without any real justification?
  
  10 answers
  
  

career-development salary job-offer careers

share|improve this question

edited Feb 19 '13 at 3:02

jmort253♦

10.4k54376

asked Feb 19 '13 at 2:22

ethen

312

share|improve this question

share|improve this question

edited Feb 19 '13 at 3:02

jmort253♦

10.4k54376

edited Feb 19 '13 at 3:02

jmort253♦

10.4k54376

edited Feb 19 '13 at 3:02

jmort253♦

10.4k54376

10.4k54376

asked Feb 19 '13 at 2:22

ethen

312

asked Feb 19 '13 at 2:22

ethen

312

asked Feb 19 '13 at 2:22

ethen

312

312

marked as duplicate by jcmeloni, scaaahu, gnat, Rhys, CincinnatiProgrammer Feb 19 '13 at 12:27

This question has been asked before and already has an answer. If those answers do not fully address your question, please ask a new question.

marked as duplicate by jcmeloni, scaaahu, gnat, Rhys, CincinnatiProgrammer Feb 19 '13 at 12:27

This question has been asked before and already has an answer. If those answers do not fully address your question, please ask a new question.

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Hi Ethen, your post here sounds very close to Just got an initial job offer. How do I ask for more without any real justification?. Can you edit this and explain what in the other post doesn't answer your question so we don't close this one as a duplicate? Thank you! :)
  – jmort253♦
  Feb 19 '13 at 3:05
  
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $75k + benefits is considerably more than $40/hour unless you will be putting in a lot of overtime
  – kevin cline
  Feb 19 '13 at 5:34
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  2
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  thanks kevin for your reply, the work is from 8 to 5 pm . lets say 8 hours per day and 40 hours per week . so the minimum salary should be at least 83k
  – ethen
  Feb 19 '13 at 7:10
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  3
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  hi jmort253, I think I am in a different situation be cause the offered salary is even less than the minimum salary which was advertised for this position so I think I have enough justification for asking more money
  – ethen
  Feb 19 '13 at 7:13
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  In the US the hourly, monthly, yearly rates used in advertisements, and when people say I make X is the money being paid, the benefits and paid time off is on top of that rate. $40 per hour is $83,200 per year plus benefits.
  – mhoran_psprep
  Feb 19 '13 at 11:05
  

  
  
  
  

 | 
show 1 more comment

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Hi Ethen, your post here sounds very close to Just got an initial job offer. How do I ask for more without any real justification?. Can you edit this and explain what in the other post doesn't answer your question so we don't close this one as a duplicate? Thank you! :)
  – jmort253♦
  Feb 19 '13 at 3:05
  
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $75k + benefits is considerably more than $40/hour unless you will be putting in a lot of overtime
  – kevin cline
  Feb 19 '13 at 5:34
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  2
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  thanks kevin for your reply, the work is from 8 to 5 pm . lets say 8 hours per day and 40 hours per week . so the minimum salary should be at least 83k
  – ethen
  Feb 19 '13 at 7:10
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  3
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  hi jmort253, I think I am in a different situation be cause the offered salary is even less than the minimum salary which was advertised for this position so I think I have enough justification for asking more money
  – ethen
  Feb 19 '13 at 7:13
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  In the US the hourly, monthly, yearly rates used in advertisements, and when people say I make X is the money being paid, the benefits and paid time off is on top of that rate. $40 per hour is $83,200 per year plus benefits.
  – mhoran_psprep
  Feb 19 '13 at 11:05
  

  
  
  
  

Hi Ethen, your post here sounds very close to Just got an initial job offer. How do I ask for more without any real justification?. Can you edit this and explain what in the other post doesn't answer your question so we don't close this one as a duplicate? Thank you! :)
– jmort253♦
Feb 19 '13 at 3:05

Hi Ethen, your post here sounds very close to Just got an initial job offer. How do I ask for more without any real justification?. Can you edit this and explain what in the other post doesn't answer your question so we don't close this one as a duplicate? Thank you! :)
– jmort253♦
Feb 19 '13 at 3:05

1

1

$75k + benefits is considerably more than $40/hour unless you will be putting in a lot of overtime
– kevin cline
Feb 19 '13 at 5:34

$75k + benefits is considerably more than $40/hour unless you will be putting in a lot of overtime
– kevin cline
Feb 19 '13 at 5:34

2

2

thanks kevin for your reply, the work is from 8 to 5 pm . lets say 8 hours per day and 40 hours per week . so the minimum salary should be at least 83k
– ethen
Feb 19 '13 at 7:10

thanks kevin for your reply, the work is from 8 to 5 pm . lets say 8 hours per day and 40 hours per week . so the minimum salary should be at least 83k
– ethen
Feb 19 '13 at 7:10

3

3

hi jmort253, I think I am in a different situation be cause the offered salary is even less than the minimum salary which was advertised for this position so I think I have enough justification for asking more money
– ethen
Feb 19 '13 at 7:13

hi jmort253, I think I am in a different situation be cause the offered salary is even less than the minimum salary which was advertised for this position so I think I have enough justification for asking more money
– ethen
Feb 19 '13 at 7:13

1

1

In the US the hourly, monthly, yearly rates used in advertisements, and when people say I make X is the money being paid, the benefits and paid time off is on top of that rate. $40 per hour is $83,200 per year plus benefits.
– mhoran_psprep
Feb 19 '13 at 11:05

In the US the hourly, monthly, yearly rates used in advertisements, and when people say I make X is the money being paid, the benefits and paid time off is on top of that rate. $40 per hour is $83,200 per year plus benefits.
– mhoran_psprep
Feb 19 '13 at 11:05

 | 
show 1 more comment

2 Answers
2

active

oldest

votes

up vote
9
down vote

You need to do the maths properly.

A standard salaried job will see you paid for public holidays. A certain number of sick days. A certain number of days of annual leave.

I don't know what sort of numbers you're looking at in the USA, but where I am, in NSW, Australia, there are 12 public holidays in the year. 10 days of sick leave and 20 days of annual leave are pretty common.

So a $75k salary divided by 218 working days (52 weeks minus the above paid days off) divided by 8 hours per day = $43 per hour. Inside your $40-$50 per hour range.

Plus consider whatever other benefits the job entails. I gather that in the USA things like health insurance are a pretty big deal.

Now, of course, if you're on an hourly or daily rate, you can make more money if you never get sick and never choose to take any holidays. Most employers will be delighted to have a contractor working every single day. That may make the hourly rate more attractive.

share|improve this answer

answered Feb 19 '13 at 11:08

Carson63000

7,1712748

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Also, hiring contractors invovles less tax/payroll headache. If the contractor is incorporated then it is possible to offload some of those expenses onto them.
  – MrFox
  Feb 20 '13 at 18:42
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  If you subtract your days off from your number of days worked in a year, then your days off are effectively not paid vacation. If they give you paid vacation you should act as if you worked those days for the purposes of calculating your effective rate of pay
  – Kevin Wells
  Oct 28 '16 at 21:25
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

up vote
2
down vote

imho, the advertized rate doesn't really matter; what matters is how much can YOU squeeze out of them. I highly recommend this article

...get into the habit of seeing employees like employers see them: in
terms of fully-loaded costs. To hire someone you need to pay for
their salary, true, but you also have taxes, a benefits package,
employer contributions to retirement, healthcare, that free soda your
HR department loves mentioning in the job ads, and what have you.
(Trivia: for a US employer of professionals, the largest component
after salary is usually healthcare, followed by payroll taxes.) The
fully-loaded costs of employees are much higher than their salary:
exactly how much higher depends on your locality’s laws, your benefits
package, and a bunch of other HR administrivia, but a reasonable
guesstimate is between 150% and 200% of their salary.

The fully loaded cost of an engineer receiving market salaries these
days in California or New York is close to $20,000 a month. It is
“only” $10,000 a month if they’re receiving a heavily below-market
salary, such as if they’re working for a startup. If you have a kid
brother who majored in Flemish Dance and got a modest full-time job at
a non-profit, his fully-loaded cost is still probably $4,000 a month
or more.

This is a roundabout way of telling you that companies are not
sensitive to small differences in employee wages because employees are
so darned expensive anyhow. You see $5,000 and think “Holy cow, even
after taxes that’s a whole new vacation. Five thousand dollars. Five
thousand dollars. It would be so very, very greedy of me to ask for
five thousand whole dollars.” The HR department sees $5,000 and
thinks “Meh, even after we kick in the extra taxes, that is only about
3% of their fully-loaded cost for this year anyhow, or seven
hundredths of one percent of that team’s hiring budget. I wonder if
the cafeteria has carrot cake today?”

share|improve this answer

answered Feb 19 '13 at 11:49

Steve V

72846

add a comment | 

2 Answers
2

active

oldest

votes

2 Answers
2

active

oldest

votes

active

oldest

votes

active

oldest

votes

up vote
9
down vote

You need to do the maths properly.

A standard salaried job will see you paid for public holidays. A certain number of sick days. A certain number of days of annual leave.

I don't know what sort of numbers you're looking at in the USA, but where I am, in NSW, Australia, there are 12 public holidays in the year. 10 days of sick leave and 20 days of annual leave are pretty common.

So a $75k salary divided by 218 working days (52 weeks minus the above paid days off) divided by 8 hours per day = $43 per hour. Inside your $40-$50 per hour range.

Plus consider whatever other benefits the job entails. I gather that in the USA things like health insurance are a pretty big deal.

Now, of course, if you're on an hourly or daily rate, you can make more money if you never get sick and never choose to take any holidays. Most employers will be delighted to have a contractor working every single day. That may make the hourly rate more attractive.

share|improve this answer

answered Feb 19 '13 at 11:08

Carson63000

7,1712748

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Also, hiring contractors invovles less tax/payroll headache. If the contractor is incorporated then it is possible to offload some of those expenses onto them.
  – MrFox
  Feb 20 '13 at 18:42
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  If you subtract your days off from your number of days worked in a year, then your days off are effectively not paid vacation. If they give you paid vacation you should act as if you worked those days for the purposes of calculating your effective rate of pay
  – Kevin Wells
  Oct 28 '16 at 21:25
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

up vote
9
down vote

You need to do the maths properly.

A standard salaried job will see you paid for public holidays. A certain number of sick days. A certain number of days of annual leave.

I don't know what sort of numbers you're looking at in the USA, but where I am, in NSW, Australia, there are 12 public holidays in the year. 10 days of sick leave and 20 days of annual leave are pretty common.

So a $75k salary divided by 218 working days (52 weeks minus the above paid days off) divided by 8 hours per day = $43 per hour. Inside your $40-$50 per hour range.

Plus consider whatever other benefits the job entails. I gather that in the USA things like health insurance are a pretty big deal.

Now, of course, if you're on an hourly or daily rate, you can make more money if you never get sick and never choose to take any holidays. Most employers will be delighted to have a contractor working every single day. That may make the hourly rate more attractive.

share|improve this answer

answered Feb 19 '13 at 11:08

Carson63000

7,1712748

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Also, hiring contractors invovles less tax/payroll headache. If the contractor is incorporated then it is possible to offload some of those expenses onto them.
  – MrFox
  Feb 20 '13 at 18:42
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  If you subtract your days off from your number of days worked in a year, then your days off are effectively not paid vacation. If they give you paid vacation you should act as if you worked those days for the purposes of calculating your effective rate of pay
  – Kevin Wells
  Oct 28 '16 at 21:25
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

up vote
9
down vote

up vote
9
down vote

You need to do the maths properly.

A standard salaried job will see you paid for public holidays. A certain number of sick days. A certain number of days of annual leave.

I don't know what sort of numbers you're looking at in the USA, but where I am, in NSW, Australia, there are 12 public holidays in the year. 10 days of sick leave and 20 days of annual leave are pretty common.

So a $75k salary divided by 218 working days (52 weeks minus the above paid days off) divided by 8 hours per day = $43 per hour. Inside your $40-$50 per hour range.

Plus consider whatever other benefits the job entails. I gather that in the USA things like health insurance are a pretty big deal.

Now, of course, if you're on an hourly or daily rate, you can make more money if you never get sick and never choose to take any holidays. Most employers will be delighted to have a contractor working every single day. That may make the hourly rate more attractive.

share|improve this answer

answered Feb 19 '13 at 11:08

Carson63000

7,1712748

You need to do the maths properly.

A standard salaried job will see you paid for public holidays. A certain number of sick days. A certain number of days of annual leave.

I don't know what sort of numbers you're looking at in the USA, but where I am, in NSW, Australia, there are 12 public holidays in the year. 10 days of sick leave and 20 days of annual leave are pretty common.

So a $75k salary divided by 218 working days (52 weeks minus the above paid days off) divided by 8 hours per day = $43 per hour. Inside your $40-$50 per hour range.

Plus consider whatever other benefits the job entails. I gather that in the USA things like health insurance are a pretty big deal.

Now, of course, if you're on an hourly or daily rate, you can make more money if you never get sick and never choose to take any holidays. Most employers will be delighted to have a contractor working every single day. That may make the hourly rate more attractive.

share|improve this answer

answered Feb 19 '13 at 11:08

Carson63000

7,1712748

share|improve this answer

share|improve this answer

answered Feb 19 '13 at 11:08

Carson63000

7,1712748

answered Feb 19 '13 at 11:08

Carson63000

7,1712748

answered Feb 19 '13 at 11:08

Carson63000

7,1712748

7,1712748

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Also, hiring contractors invovles less tax/payroll headache. If the contractor is incorporated then it is possible to offload some of those expenses onto them.
  – MrFox
  Feb 20 '13 at 18:42
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  If you subtract your days off from your number of days worked in a year, then your days off are effectively not paid vacation. If they give you paid vacation you should act as if you worked those days for the purposes of calculating your effective rate of pay
  – Kevin Wells
  Oct 28 '16 at 21:25
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  Also, hiring contractors invovles less tax/payroll headache. If the contractor is incorporated then it is possible to offload some of those expenses onto them.
  – MrFox
  Feb 20 '13 at 18:42
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  If you subtract your days off from your number of days worked in a year, then your days off are effectively not paid vacation. If they give you paid vacation you should act as if you worked those days for the purposes of calculating your effective rate of pay
  – Kevin Wells
  Oct 28 '16 at 21:25
  

  
  
  
  

Also, hiring contractors invovles less tax/payroll headache. If the contractor is incorporated then it is possible to offload some of those expenses onto them.
– MrFox
Feb 20 '13 at 18:42

Also, hiring contractors invovles less tax/payroll headache. If the contractor is incorporated then it is possible to offload some of those expenses onto them.
– MrFox
Feb 20 '13 at 18:42

If you subtract your days off from your number of days worked in a year, then your days off are effectively not paid vacation. If they give you paid vacation you should act as if you worked those days for the purposes of calculating your effective rate of pay
– Kevin Wells
Oct 28 '16 at 21:25

If you subtract your days off from your number of days worked in a year, then your days off are effectively not paid vacation. If they give you paid vacation you should act as if you worked those days for the purposes of calculating your effective rate of pay
– Kevin Wells
Oct 28 '16 at 21:25

add a comment | 

up vote
2
down vote

imho, the advertized rate doesn't really matter; what matters is how much can YOU squeeze out of them. I highly recommend this article

...get into the habit of seeing employees like employers see them: in
terms of fully-loaded costs. To hire someone you need to pay for
their salary, true, but you also have taxes, a benefits package,
employer contributions to retirement, healthcare, that free soda your
HR department loves mentioning in the job ads, and what have you.
(Trivia: for a US employer of professionals, the largest component
after salary is usually healthcare, followed by payroll taxes.) The
fully-loaded costs of employees are much higher than their salary:
exactly how much higher depends on your locality’s laws, your benefits
package, and a bunch of other HR administrivia, but a reasonable
guesstimate is between 150% and 200% of their salary.

The fully loaded cost of an engineer receiving market salaries these
days in California or New York is close to $20,000 a month. It is
“only” $10,000 a month if they’re receiving a heavily below-market
salary, such as if they’re working for a startup. If you have a kid
brother who majored in Flemish Dance and got a modest full-time job at
a non-profit, his fully-loaded cost is still probably $4,000 a month
or more.

This is a roundabout way of telling you that companies are not
sensitive to small differences in employee wages because employees are
so darned expensive anyhow. You see $5,000 and think “Holy cow, even
after taxes that’s a whole new vacation. Five thousand dollars. Five
thousand dollars. It would be so very, very greedy of me to ask for
five thousand whole dollars.” The HR department sees $5,000 and
thinks “Meh, even after we kick in the extra taxes, that is only about
3% of their fully-loaded cost for this year anyhow, or seven
hundredths of one percent of that team’s hiring budget. I wonder if
the cafeteria has carrot cake today?”

share|improve this answer

answered Feb 19 '13 at 11:49

Steve V

72846

add a comment | 

up vote
2
down vote

imho, the advertized rate doesn't really matter; what matters is how much can YOU squeeze out of them. I highly recommend this article

...get into the habit of seeing employees like employers see them: in
terms of fully-loaded costs. To hire someone you need to pay for
their salary, true, but you also have taxes, a benefits package,
employer contributions to retirement, healthcare, that free soda your
HR department loves mentioning in the job ads, and what have you.
(Trivia: for a US employer of professionals, the largest component
after salary is usually healthcare, followed by payroll taxes.) The
fully-loaded costs of employees are much higher than their salary:
exactly how much higher depends on your locality’s laws, your benefits
package, and a bunch of other HR administrivia, but a reasonable
guesstimate is between 150% and 200% of their salary.

The fully loaded cost of an engineer receiving market salaries these
days in California or New York is close to $20,000 a month. It is
“only” $10,000 a month if they’re receiving a heavily below-market
salary, such as if they’re working for a startup. If you have a kid
brother who majored in Flemish Dance and got a modest full-time job at
a non-profit, his fully-loaded cost is still probably $4,000 a month
or more.

This is a roundabout way of telling you that companies are not
sensitive to small differences in employee wages because employees are
so darned expensive anyhow. You see $5,000 and think “Holy cow, even
after taxes that’s a whole new vacation. Five thousand dollars. Five
thousand dollars. It would be so very, very greedy of me to ask for
five thousand whole dollars.” The HR department sees $5,000 and
thinks “Meh, even after we kick in the extra taxes, that is only about
3% of their fully-loaded cost for this year anyhow, or seven
hundredths of one percent of that team’s hiring budget. I wonder if
the cafeteria has carrot cake today?”

share|improve this answer

answered Feb 19 '13 at 11:49

Steve V

72846

add a comment | 

up vote
2
down vote

up vote
2
down vote

imho, the advertized rate doesn't really matter; what matters is how much can YOU squeeze out of them. I highly recommend this article

...get into the habit of seeing employees like employers see them: in
terms of fully-loaded costs. To hire someone you need to pay for
their salary, true, but you also have taxes, a benefits package,
employer contributions to retirement, healthcare, that free soda your
HR department loves mentioning in the job ads, and what have you.
(Trivia: for a US employer of professionals, the largest component
after salary is usually healthcare, followed by payroll taxes.) The
fully-loaded costs of employees are much higher than their salary:
exactly how much higher depends on your locality’s laws, your benefits
package, and a bunch of other HR administrivia, but a reasonable
guesstimate is between 150% and 200% of their salary.

The fully loaded cost of an engineer receiving market salaries these
days in California or New York is close to $20,000 a month. It is
“only” $10,000 a month if they’re receiving a heavily below-market
salary, such as if they’re working for a startup. If you have a kid
brother who majored in Flemish Dance and got a modest full-time job at
a non-profit, his fully-loaded cost is still probably $4,000 a month
or more.

This is a roundabout way of telling you that companies are not
sensitive to small differences in employee wages because employees are
so darned expensive anyhow. You see $5,000 and think “Holy cow, even
after taxes that’s a whole new vacation. Five thousand dollars. Five
thousand dollars. It would be so very, very greedy of me to ask for
five thousand whole dollars.” The HR department sees $5,000 and
thinks “Meh, even after we kick in the extra taxes, that is only about
3% of their fully-loaded cost for this year anyhow, or seven
hundredths of one percent of that team’s hiring budget. I wonder if
the cafeteria has carrot cake today?”

share|improve this answer

answered Feb 19 '13 at 11:49

Steve V

72846

imho, the advertized rate doesn't really matter; what matters is how much can YOU squeeze out of them. I highly recommend this article

...get into the habit of seeing employees like employers see them: in
terms of fully-loaded costs. To hire someone you need to pay for
their salary, true, but you also have taxes, a benefits package,
employer contributions to retirement, healthcare, that free soda your
HR department loves mentioning in the job ads, and what have you.
(Trivia: for a US employer of professionals, the largest component
after salary is usually healthcare, followed by payroll taxes.) The
fully-loaded costs of employees are much higher than their salary:
exactly how much higher depends on your locality’s laws, your benefits
package, and a bunch of other HR administrivia, but a reasonable
guesstimate is between 150% and 200% of their salary.

The fully loaded cost of an engineer receiving market salaries these
days in California or New York is close to $20,000 a month. It is
“only” $10,000 a month if they’re receiving a heavily below-market
salary, such as if they’re working for a startup. If you have a kid
brother who majored in Flemish Dance and got a modest full-time job at
a non-profit, his fully-loaded cost is still probably $4,000 a month
or more.

This is a roundabout way of telling you that companies are not
sensitive to small differences in employee wages because employees are
so darned expensive anyhow. You see $5,000 and think “Holy cow, even
after taxes that’s a whole new vacation. Five thousand dollars. Five
thousand dollars. It would be so very, very greedy of me to ask for
five thousand whole dollars.” The HR department sees $5,000 and
thinks “Meh, even after we kick in the extra taxes, that is only about
3% of their fully-loaded cost for this year anyhow, or seven
hundredths of one percent of that team’s hiring budget. I wonder if
the cafeteria has carrot cake today?”

share|improve this answer

answered Feb 19 '13 at 11:49

Steve V

72846

share|improve this answer

share|improve this answer

answered Feb 19 '13 at 11:49

Steve V

72846

answered Feb 19 '13 at 11:49

Steve V

72846

answered Feb 19 '13 at 11:49

Steve V

72846

72846

add a comment | 

add a comment |