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I'm a developer and i'm working on a particular php project.
As a contractor, Is it inappropriate to bill for meeting time? Meetings that consist of clarifying scope and intent of work?
Or is it not an issue at all? If so why is this?
contractors invoices
asked Feb 20 '13 at 21:39
chrisjlee
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I'm a developer and i'm working on a particular php project.
As a contractor, Is it inappropriate to bill for meeting time? Meetings that consist of clarifying scope and intent of work?
Or is it not an issue at all? If so why is this?
contractors invoices
asked Feb 20 '13 at 21:39
chrisjlee
85211324
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Are these meetings that happen before or after you sign a contract?
– Blrfl
Feb 20 '13 at 22:51
After I've signed an agreement
– chrisjlee
Feb 21 '13 at 17:32
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up vote
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up vote
6
down vote
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I'm a developer and i'm working on a particular php project.
As a contractor, Is it inappropriate to bill for meeting time? Meetings that consist of clarifying scope and intent of work?
Or is it not an issue at all? If so why is this?
contractors invoices
asked Feb 20 '13 at 21:39
chrisjlee
85211324
I'm a developer and i'm working on a particular php project.
As a contractor, Is it inappropriate to bill for meeting time? Meetings that consist of clarifying scope and intent of work?
Or is it not an issue at all? If so why is this?
contractors invoices
asked Feb 20 '13 at 21:39
chrisjlee
85211324
asked Feb 20 '13 at 21:39
chrisjlee
85211324
asked Feb 20 '13 at 21:39
chrisjlee
85211324
asked Feb 20 '13 at 21:39
chrisjlee
85211324
85211324
3
Are these meetings that happen before or after you sign a contract?
– Blrfl
Feb 20 '13 at 22:51
After I've signed an agreement
– chrisjlee
Feb 21 '13 at 17:32
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Are these meetings that happen before or after you sign a contract?
– Blrfl
Feb 20 '13 at 22:51
After I've signed an agreement
– chrisjlee
Feb 21 '13 at 17:32
3
3
Are these meetings that happen before or after you sign a contract?
– Blrfl
Feb 20 '13 at 22:51
Are these meetings that happen before or after you sign a contract?
– Blrfl
Feb 20 '13 at 22:51
After I've signed an agreement
– chrisjlee
Feb 21 '13 at 17:32
After I've signed an agreement
– chrisjlee
Feb 21 '13 at 17:32
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Meetings are part of the job - part of working.
Part of your job is to clarify scope and intent of work - you wouldn't be very effective if you didn't do this.
Of course you invoice for meetings - you wouldn't have them if you were not working.
Don't confuse the end product of your work with how you get there - for example - as a developer, your job is not to crank out code. It is to solve problems - if you don't know what problems to solve, any amount of code you write is worthless to your client. Going to meetings in order to find out what the right thing to write is a much better use of your time than writing code that nobody will use.
answered Feb 20 '13 at 21:39
Oded
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And you shoudl consider things like this and answering emails and dealing with QA as part of the hours you consider when bidding for the work too. People end up being over often because they forget to estimate for indirect work.
– HLGEM
Feb 21 '13 at 0:07
My rule of thumb - if you're asking me to do something and instead of doing what you ask, I can make money doing something else... you need to pay. Exceptions are commuting within the county. I give that away.
– user3533030
Sep 6 '16 at 0:06
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It depends.
If its a normal pre-sale meeting, your expenses are considered as part of the cost of doing business so don't bill them for it. Well, that's unless you don't really want the job or they were literally begging you to take it and you told them that you would in advance.
Any meetings AFTER you have signed the sales contract would be billable if your contract has provisions that allow you to treat any meeting/travelling/etc time as billable. If your contract doesn't have such provisions, it would be wise to consult with the client and get it clarified before you do. The last thing you want to do is to assume you can just because it "feels right"
answered Feb 21 '13 at 0:37
Permas
4,83111829
Fair comment. I typically will give away 1 - 8 hrs of pre-sales, light effort to win a job. I rarely charge money to create a Statement of Work.
– user3533030
Sep 6 '16 at 0:14
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up vote
1
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Those meetings sounds like they are an important part of your job, and you should have no bad feelings for getting paid for those.
If you are lucky you the project owner understand the importance of the meetings and paying for them is no issue at all, but it could be that the project owner would like to "save" money by trying to have as little meeting activity as possible, thereby making your job more difficult as you probably will start with unclear scope etc.
If that is the case you might for instance want to charge less for meeting time as opposed to programming time so that the project owner gets the feeling that it is cheaper to talk with you to clear things out than you trying to figure out things by yourself.
answered Feb 20 '13 at 23:15
hlovdal
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The simple answer is that you should charge for meetings. You can't do your job without some meetings. These could be in person, or by phone/Skype...
The longer answer is to check your contract.
Sometimes the contract specifically mentions meetings you must support/attend. The contract could also specify if you can charge for travel time and expense (subway fare, tolls...).
There is also the chance that the contract doesn't allow you to charge for some meetings, but those should be specified in the contract. They may only allow you to charge at meetings they specifically ask you to attend.
answered Feb 20 '13 at 21:51
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4 Answers
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4 Answers
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oldest
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oldest
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up vote
24
down vote
accepted
Meetings are part of the job - part of working.
Part of your job is to clarify scope and intent of work - you wouldn't be very effective if you didn't do this.
Of course you invoice for meetings - you wouldn't have them if you were not working.
Don't confuse the end product of your work with how you get there - for example - as a developer, your job is not to crank out code. It is to solve problems - if you don't know what problems to solve, any amount of code you write is worthless to your client. Going to meetings in order to find out what the right thing to write is a much better use of your time than writing code that nobody will use.
answered Feb 20 '13 at 21:39
Oded
21.1k57597
4
And you shoudl consider things like this and answering emails and dealing with QA as part of the hours you consider when bidding for the work too. People end up being over often because they forget to estimate for indirect work.
– HLGEM
Feb 21 '13 at 0:07
My rule of thumb - if you're asking me to do something and instead of doing what you ask, I can make money doing something else... you need to pay. Exceptions are commuting within the county. I give that away.
– user3533030
Sep 6 '16 at 0:06
add a comment |Â
up vote
24
down vote
accepted
Meetings are part of the job - part of working.
Part of your job is to clarify scope and intent of work - you wouldn't be very effective if you didn't do this.
Of course you invoice for meetings - you wouldn't have them if you were not working.
Don't confuse the end product of your work with how you get there - for example - as a developer, your job is not to crank out code. It is to solve problems - if you don't know what problems to solve, any amount of code you write is worthless to your client. Going to meetings in order to find out what the right thing to write is a much better use of your time than writing code that nobody will use.
answered Feb 20 '13 at 21:39
Oded
21.1k57597
4
And you shoudl consider things like this and answering emails and dealing with QA as part of the hours you consider when bidding for the work too. People end up being over often because they forget to estimate for indirect work.
– HLGEM
Feb 21 '13 at 0:07
My rule of thumb - if you're asking me to do something and instead of doing what you ask, I can make money doing something else... you need to pay. Exceptions are commuting within the county. I give that away.
– user3533030
Sep 6 '16 at 0:06
add a comment |Â
up vote
24
down vote
accepted
up vote
24
down vote
accepted
Meetings are part of the job - part of working.
Part of your job is to clarify scope and intent of work - you wouldn't be very effective if you didn't do this.
Of course you invoice for meetings - you wouldn't have them if you were not working.
Don't confuse the end product of your work with how you get there - for example - as a developer, your job is not to crank out code. It is to solve problems - if you don't know what problems to solve, any amount of code you write is worthless to your client. Going to meetings in order to find out what the right thing to write is a much better use of your time than writing code that nobody will use.
answered Feb 20 '13 at 21:39
Oded
21.1k57597
Meetings are part of the job - part of working.
Part of your job is to clarify scope and intent of work - you wouldn't be very effective if you didn't do this.
Of course you invoice for meetings - you wouldn't have them if you were not working.
Don't confuse the end product of your work with how you get there - for example - as a developer, your job is not to crank out code. It is to solve problems - if you don't know what problems to solve, any amount of code you write is worthless to your client. Going to meetings in order to find out what the right thing to write is a much better use of your time than writing code that nobody will use.
answered Feb 20 '13 at 21:39
Oded
21.1k57597
answered Feb 20 '13 at 21:39
Oded
21.1k57597
answered Feb 20 '13 at 21:39
Oded
21.1k57597
answered Feb 20 '13 at 21:39
Oded
21.1k57597
21.1k57597
4
And you shoudl consider things like this and answering emails and dealing with QA as part of the hours you consider when bidding for the work too. People end up being over often because they forget to estimate for indirect work.
– HLGEM
Feb 21 '13 at 0:07
My rule of thumb - if you're asking me to do something and instead of doing what you ask, I can make money doing something else... you need to pay. Exceptions are commuting within the county. I give that away.
– user3533030
Sep 6 '16 at 0:06
add a comment |Â
4
And you shoudl consider things like this and answering emails and dealing with QA as part of the hours you consider when bidding for the work too. People end up being over often because they forget to estimate for indirect work.
– HLGEM
Feb 21 '13 at 0:07
My rule of thumb - if you're asking me to do something and instead of doing what you ask, I can make money doing something else... you need to pay. Exceptions are commuting within the county. I give that away.
– user3533030
Sep 6 '16 at 0:06
4
4
And you shoudl consider things like this and answering emails and dealing with QA as part of the hours you consider when bidding for the work too. People end up being over often because they forget to estimate for indirect work.
– HLGEM
Feb 21 '13 at 0:07
And you shoudl consider things like this and answering emails and dealing with QA as part of the hours you consider when bidding for the work too. People end up being over often because they forget to estimate for indirect work.
– HLGEM
Feb 21 '13 at 0:07
My rule of thumb - if you're asking me to do something and instead of doing what you ask, I can make money doing something else... you need to pay. Exceptions are commuting within the county. I give that away.
– user3533030
Sep 6 '16 at 0:06
My rule of thumb - if you're asking me to do something and instead of doing what you ask, I can make money doing something else... you need to pay. Exceptions are commuting within the county. I give that away.
– user3533030
Sep 6 '16 at 0:06
add a comment |Â
up vote
3
down vote
It depends.
If its a normal pre-sale meeting, your expenses are considered as part of the cost of doing business so don't bill them for it. Well, that's unless you don't really want the job or they were literally begging you to take it and you told them that you would in advance.
Any meetings AFTER you have signed the sales contract would be billable if your contract has provisions that allow you to treat any meeting/travelling/etc time as billable. If your contract doesn't have such provisions, it would be wise to consult with the client and get it clarified before you do. The last thing you want to do is to assume you can just because it "feels right"
answered Feb 21 '13 at 0:37
Permas
4,83111829
Fair comment. I typically will give away 1 - 8 hrs of pre-sales, light effort to win a job. I rarely charge money to create a Statement of Work.
– user3533030
Sep 6 '16 at 0:14
add a comment |Â
up vote
3
down vote
It depends.
If its a normal pre-sale meeting, your expenses are considered as part of the cost of doing business so don't bill them for it. Well, that's unless you don't really want the job or they were literally begging you to take it and you told them that you would in advance.
Any meetings AFTER you have signed the sales contract would be billable if your contract has provisions that allow you to treat any meeting/travelling/etc time as billable. If your contract doesn't have such provisions, it would be wise to consult with the client and get it clarified before you do. The last thing you want to do is to assume you can just because it "feels right"
answered Feb 21 '13 at 0:37
Permas
4,83111829
Fair comment. I typically will give away 1 - 8 hrs of pre-sales, light effort to win a job. I rarely charge money to create a Statement of Work.
– user3533030
Sep 6 '16 at 0:14
add a comment |Â
up vote
3
down vote
up vote
3
down vote
It depends.
If its a normal pre-sale meeting, your expenses are considered as part of the cost of doing business so don't bill them for it. Well, that's unless you don't really want the job or they were literally begging you to take it and you told them that you would in advance.
Any meetings AFTER you have signed the sales contract would be billable if your contract has provisions that allow you to treat any meeting/travelling/etc time as billable. If your contract doesn't have such provisions, it would be wise to consult with the client and get it clarified before you do. The last thing you want to do is to assume you can just because it "feels right"
answered Feb 21 '13 at 0:37
Permas
4,83111829
It depends.
If its a normal pre-sale meeting, your expenses are considered as part of the cost of doing business so don't bill them for it. Well, that's unless you don't really want the job or they were literally begging you to take it and you told them that you would in advance.
Any meetings AFTER you have signed the sales contract would be billable if your contract has provisions that allow you to treat any meeting/travelling/etc time as billable. If your contract doesn't have such provisions, it would be wise to consult with the client and get it clarified before you do. The last thing you want to do is to assume you can just because it "feels right"
answered Feb 21 '13 at 0:37
Permas
4,83111829
answered Feb 21 '13 at 0:37
Permas
4,83111829
answered Feb 21 '13 at 0:37
Permas
4,83111829
answered Feb 21 '13 at 0:37
Permas
4,83111829
4,83111829
Fair comment. I typically will give away 1 - 8 hrs of pre-sales, light effort to win a job. I rarely charge money to create a Statement of Work.
– user3533030
Sep 6 '16 at 0:14
add a comment |Â
Fair comment. I typically will give away 1 - 8 hrs of pre-sales, light effort to win a job. I rarely charge money to create a Statement of Work.
– user3533030
Sep 6 '16 at 0:14
Fair comment. I typically will give away 1 - 8 hrs of pre-sales, light effort to win a job. I rarely charge money to create a Statement of Work.
– user3533030
Sep 6 '16 at 0:14
Fair comment. I typically will give away 1 - 8 hrs of pre-sales, light effort to win a job. I rarely charge money to create a Statement of Work.
– user3533030
Sep 6 '16 at 0:14
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
Those meetings sounds like they are an important part of your job, and you should have no bad feelings for getting paid for those.
If you are lucky you the project owner understand the importance of the meetings and paying for them is no issue at all, but it could be that the project owner would like to "save" money by trying to have as little meeting activity as possible, thereby making your job more difficult as you probably will start with unclear scope etc.
If that is the case you might for instance want to charge less for meeting time as opposed to programming time so that the project owner gets the feeling that it is cheaper to talk with you to clear things out than you trying to figure out things by yourself.
answered Feb 20 '13 at 23:15
hlovdal
275410
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
Those meetings sounds like they are an important part of your job, and you should have no bad feelings for getting paid for those.
If you are lucky you the project owner understand the importance of the meetings and paying for them is no issue at all, but it could be that the project owner would like to "save" money by trying to have as little meeting activity as possible, thereby making your job more difficult as you probably will start with unclear scope etc.
If that is the case you might for instance want to charge less for meeting time as opposed to programming time so that the project owner gets the feeling that it is cheaper to talk with you to clear things out than you trying to figure out things by yourself.
answered Feb 20 '13 at 23:15
hlovdal
275410
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
Those meetings sounds like they are an important part of your job, and you should have no bad feelings for getting paid for those.
If you are lucky you the project owner understand the importance of the meetings and paying for them is no issue at all, but it could be that the project owner would like to "save" money by trying to have as little meeting activity as possible, thereby making your job more difficult as you probably will start with unclear scope etc.
If that is the case you might for instance want to charge less for meeting time as opposed to programming time so that the project owner gets the feeling that it is cheaper to talk with you to clear things out than you trying to figure out things by yourself.
answered Feb 20 '13 at 23:15
hlovdal
275410
Those meetings sounds like they are an important part of your job, and you should have no bad feelings for getting paid for those.
If you are lucky you the project owner understand the importance of the meetings and paying for them is no issue at all, but it could be that the project owner would like to "save" money by trying to have as little meeting activity as possible, thereby making your job more difficult as you probably will start with unclear scope etc.
If that is the case you might for instance want to charge less for meeting time as opposed to programming time so that the project owner gets the feeling that it is cheaper to talk with you to clear things out than you trying to figure out things by yourself.
answered Feb 20 '13 at 23:15
hlovdal
275410
answered Feb 20 '13 at 23:15
hlovdal
275410
answered Feb 20 '13 at 23:15
hlovdal
275410
answered Feb 20 '13 at 23:15
hlovdal
275410
275410
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add a comment |Â
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0
down vote
The simple answer is that you should charge for meetings. You can't do your job without some meetings. These could be in person, or by phone/Skype...
The longer answer is to check your contract.
Sometimes the contract specifically mentions meetings you must support/attend. The contract could also specify if you can charge for travel time and expense (subway fare, tolls...).
There is also the chance that the contract doesn't allow you to charge for some meetings, but those should be specified in the contract. They may only allow you to charge at meetings they specifically ask you to attend.
answered Feb 20 '13 at 21:51
mhoran_psprep
40.3k463144
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
The simple answer is that you should charge for meetings. You can't do your job without some meetings. These could be in person, or by phone/Skype...
The longer answer is to check your contract.
Sometimes the contract specifically mentions meetings you must support/attend. The contract could also specify if you can charge for travel time and expense (subway fare, tolls...).
There is also the chance that the contract doesn't allow you to charge for some meetings, but those should be specified in the contract. They may only allow you to charge at meetings they specifically ask you to attend.
answered Feb 20 '13 at 21:51
mhoran_psprep
40.3k463144
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
up vote
0
down vote
The simple answer is that you should charge for meetings. You can't do your job without some meetings. These could be in person, or by phone/Skype...
The longer answer is to check your contract.
Sometimes the contract specifically mentions meetings you must support/attend. The contract could also specify if you can charge for travel time and expense (subway fare, tolls...).
There is also the chance that the contract doesn't allow you to charge for some meetings, but those should be specified in the contract. They may only allow you to charge at meetings they specifically ask you to attend.
answered Feb 20 '13 at 21:51
mhoran_psprep
40.3k463144
The simple answer is that you should charge for meetings. You can't do your job without some meetings. These could be in person, or by phone/Skype...
The longer answer is to check your contract.
Sometimes the contract specifically mentions meetings you must support/attend. The contract could also specify if you can charge for travel time and expense (subway fare, tolls...).
There is also the chance that the contract doesn't allow you to charge for some meetings, but those should be specified in the contract. They may only allow you to charge at meetings they specifically ask you to attend.
answered Feb 20 '13 at 21:51
mhoran_psprep
40.3k463144
answered Feb 20 '13 at 21:51
mhoran_psprep
40.3k463144
answered Feb 20 '13 at 21:51
mhoran_psprep
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answered Feb 20 '13 at 21:51
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Are these meetings that happen before or after you sign a contract?
– Blrfl
Feb 20 '13 at 22:51
After I've signed an agreement
– chrisjlee
Feb 21 '13 at 17:32