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Basic premise of this question is what are usual requirements for entering Ireland through Airport Immigration - and does this change based on where you departed from?
Basically - I'm a citizen and resident of Ireland - I was travelling back to Ireland last week from the United States and as I was going through Immigration check in Dublin Airport I presented my Passport Card.
This card, in general - I've used multiple times for travel between Ireland and the EU without any sort of problems - and it's far easier for me to access in my wallet than to dig out my physical passport book out of my backpack.
However, when I was going through Immigration in Dublin Airport on arrival from the US, I presented the passport card and was then asked where I was coming from.
When I replied that I had departed from the United States the immigration officer requested my actual physical passport.
I didn't really mind - nor did I want to argue the point - so I produced my passport from my backpack.
However it got me thinking and my question I guess -
- For what reason would Irish Immigration need to see my Passport to enter the country of my citizenship - provable via the Passport Card.
- What would have happened if I refused or lost my actual passport?
- As a citizen of the country, am I obliged to tell the immigration official where I was arriving from?
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Basic premise of this question is what are usual requirements for entering Ireland through Airport Immigration - and does this change based on where you departed from?
Basically - I'm a citizen and resident of Ireland - I was travelling back to Ireland last week from the United States and as I was going through Immigration check in Dublin Airport I presented my Passport Card.
This card, in general - I've used multiple times for travel between Ireland and the EU without any sort of problems - and it's far easier for me to access in my wallet than to dig out my physical passport book out of my backpack.
However, when I was going through Immigration in Dublin Airport on arrival from the US, I presented the passport card and was then asked where I was coming from.
When I replied that I had departed from the United States the immigration officer requested my actual physical passport.
I didn't really mind - nor did I want to argue the point - so I produced my passport from my backpack.
However it got me thinking and my question I guess -
- For what reason would Irish Immigration need to see my Passport to enter the country of my citizenship - provable via the Passport Card.
- What would have happened if I refused or lost my actual passport?
- As a citizen of the country, am I obliged to tell the immigration official where I was arriving from?
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I edited your question to restrict it to Ireland. Different countries will surely have different requirements and nobody will be able to write a comprehensive answer to the general question.
– David Richerby
4 hours ago
To proof the point of difference between different countries, I almost always enter the Netherlands with my ID card when I see an officer and I have never been asked for my passport.
– Willeke♦
4 hours ago
Some (possibly unrelated) comment - 1) Perhaps a spot check to ensure the passport card is not a fake one, as passport card is tied to the passport book according to this page? 2) Since the immigration official was told you are travelling from outside EEA, they must have inferred that you are likely to have your passport with you? I am not sure what happen if you refuse or lost your passport en route.
– B.Liu
3 hours ago
Another possibly-related data point: the US passport card can only be used at land borders and seaports from Caribbean locations. It cannot be used for air travel, for or ocean travel from other locations (e.g., Europe); a passport book must be used. So in this case, where you're arriving from does matter.
– Mike Harris
3 hours ago
@MikeHarris I suppose that is the explanation. Note that the page linked in the question says "can be used by Irish citizens for travel within the EU/EEA and Switzerland." I would post this as an answer, but I wanted to post a statutory citation for that restriction, and I am unable to find any statutory text relating to the passport card.
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Basic premise of this question is what are usual requirements for entering Ireland through Airport Immigration - and does this change based on where you departed from?
Basically - I'm a citizen and resident of Ireland - I was travelling back to Ireland last week from the United States and as I was going through Immigration check in Dublin Airport I presented my Passport Card.
This card, in general - I've used multiple times for travel between Ireland and the EU without any sort of problems - and it's far easier for me to access in my wallet than to dig out my physical passport book out of my backpack.
However, when I was going through Immigration in Dublin Airport on arrival from the US, I presented the passport card and was then asked where I was coming from.
When I replied that I had departed from the United States the immigration officer requested my actual physical passport.
I didn't really mind - nor did I want to argue the point - so I produced my passport from my backpack.
However it got me thinking and my question I guess -
- For what reason would Irish Immigration need to see my Passport to enter the country of my citizenship - provable via the Passport Card.
- What would have happened if I refused or lost my actual passport?
- As a citizen of the country, am I obliged to tell the immigration official where I was arriving from?
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Basic premise of this question is what are usual requirements for entering Ireland through Airport Immigration - and does this change based on where you departed from?
Basically - I'm a citizen and resident of Ireland - I was travelling back to Ireland last week from the United States and as I was going through Immigration check in Dublin Airport I presented my Passport Card.
This card, in general - I've used multiple times for travel between Ireland and the EU without any sort of problems - and it's far easier for me to access in my wallet than to dig out my physical passport book out of my backpack.
However, when I was going through Immigration in Dublin Airport on arrival from the US, I presented the passport card and was then asked where I was coming from.
When I replied that I had departed from the United States the immigration officer requested my actual physical passport.
I didn't really mind - nor did I want to argue the point - so I produced my passport from my backpack.
However it got me thinking and my question I guess -
- For what reason would Irish Immigration need to see my Passport to enter the country of my citizenship - provable via the Passport Card.
- What would have happened if I refused or lost my actual passport?
- As a citizen of the country, am I obliged to tell the immigration official where I was arriving from?
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I edited your question to restrict it to Ireland. Different countries will surely have different requirements and nobody will be able to write a comprehensive answer to the general question.
– David Richerby
4 hours ago
To proof the point of difference between different countries, I almost always enter the Netherlands with my ID card when I see an officer and I have never been asked for my passport.
– Willeke♦
4 hours ago
Some (possibly unrelated) comment - 1) Perhaps a spot check to ensure the passport card is not a fake one, as passport card is tied to the passport book according to this page? 2) Since the immigration official was told you are travelling from outside EEA, they must have inferred that you are likely to have your passport with you? I am not sure what happen if you refuse or lost your passport en route.
– B.Liu
3 hours ago
Another possibly-related data point: the US passport card can only be used at land borders and seaports from Caribbean locations. It cannot be used for air travel, for or ocean travel from other locations (e.g., Europe); a passport book must be used. So in this case, where you're arriving from does matter.
– Mike Harris
3 hours ago
@MikeHarris I suppose that is the explanation. Note that the page linked in the question says "can be used by Irish citizens for travel within the EU/EEA and Switzerland." I would post this as an answer, but I wanted to post a statutory citation for that restriction, and I am unable to find any statutory text relating to the passport card.
– phoog
2 hours ago
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I edited your question to restrict it to Ireland. Different countries will surely have different requirements and nobody will be able to write a comprehensive answer to the general question.
– David Richerby
4 hours ago
To proof the point of difference between different countries, I almost always enter the Netherlands with my ID card when I see an officer and I have never been asked for my passport.
– Willeke♦
4 hours ago
Some (possibly unrelated) comment - 1) Perhaps a spot check to ensure the passport card is not a fake one, as passport card is tied to the passport book according to this page? 2) Since the immigration official was told you are travelling from outside EEA, they must have inferred that you are likely to have your passport with you? I am not sure what happen if you refuse or lost your passport en route.
– B.Liu
3 hours ago
Another possibly-related data point: the US passport card can only be used at land borders and seaports from Caribbean locations. It cannot be used for air travel, for or ocean travel from other locations (e.g., Europe); a passport book must be used. So in this case, where you're arriving from does matter.
– Mike Harris
3 hours ago
@MikeHarris I suppose that is the explanation. Note that the page linked in the question says "can be used by Irish citizens for travel within the EU/EEA and Switzerland." I would post this as an answer, but I wanted to post a statutory citation for that restriction, and I am unable to find any statutory text relating to the passport card.
– phoog
2 hours ago
I edited your question to restrict it to Ireland. Different countries will surely have different requirements and nobody will be able to write a comprehensive answer to the general question.
– David Richerby
4 hours ago
I edited your question to restrict it to Ireland. Different countries will surely have different requirements and nobody will be able to write a comprehensive answer to the general question.
– David Richerby
4 hours ago
To proof the point of difference between different countries, I almost always enter the Netherlands with my ID card when I see an officer and I have never been asked for my passport.
– Willeke♦
4 hours ago
To proof the point of difference between different countries, I almost always enter the Netherlands with my ID card when I see an officer and I have never been asked for my passport.
– Willeke♦
4 hours ago
Some (possibly unrelated) comment - 1) Perhaps a spot check to ensure the passport card is not a fake one, as passport card is tied to the passport book according to this page? 2) Since the immigration official was told you are travelling from outside EEA, they must have inferred that you are likely to have your passport with you? I am not sure what happen if you refuse or lost your passport en route.
– B.Liu
3 hours ago
Some (possibly unrelated) comment - 1) Perhaps a spot check to ensure the passport card is not a fake one, as passport card is tied to the passport book according to this page? 2) Since the immigration official was told you are travelling from outside EEA, they must have inferred that you are likely to have your passport with you? I am not sure what happen if you refuse or lost your passport en route.
– B.Liu
3 hours ago
Another possibly-related data point: the US passport card can only be used at land borders and seaports from Caribbean locations. It cannot be used for air travel, for or ocean travel from other locations (e.g., Europe); a passport book must be used. So in this case, where you're arriving from does matter.
– Mike Harris
3 hours ago
Another possibly-related data point: the US passport card can only be used at land borders and seaports from Caribbean locations. It cannot be used for air travel, for or ocean travel from other locations (e.g., Europe); a passport book must be used. So in this case, where you're arriving from does matter.
– Mike Harris
3 hours ago
@MikeHarris I suppose that is the explanation. Note that the page linked in the question says "can be used by Irish citizens for travel within the EU/EEA and Switzerland." I would post this as an answer, but I wanted to post a statutory citation for that restriction, and I am unable to find any statutory text relating to the passport card.
– phoog
2 hours ago
@MikeHarris I suppose that is the explanation. Note that the page linked in the question says "can be used by Irish citizens for travel within the EU/EEA and Switzerland." I would post this as an answer, but I wanted to post a statutory citation for that restriction, and I am unable to find any statutory text relating to the passport card.
– phoog
2 hours ago
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As an Irish citizen, you have the absolute right to enter Ireland. The immigration officer cannot possibly deny you entry, as long as you produce a document that shows you're in fact an Irish citizen - and the passport card clearly shows that. Therefore you have the absolute right to only produce your passport card and refuse to provide any other document. It might delay your border crossing though, so personally I'd just show my passport if I actually had one with me.
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The Passport Card is valid only for travel WITHIN the EU/EEA/CH.
I've had this same issue. Was returning to Dublin on a flight from Moscow. Was asked where I was coming from (which was fairly obvious as there was only one flight coming in at that time).
I'm a Canadian dual-citizen, so it would be handy to travel to there or the US on my Canadian passport and return to Ireland with the card that lives in my wallet. Pain in the backside, and I don't really understand the point of it, but that's the way she goes.
EDIT: Here is the link to the DFA page stating the same: https://www.dfa.ie/passportcard/
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In very Irish fashion, when I offered to dig the passport out of my carry-on bag, the guard said it was fine but to remember this for next time. :)
– Richard
2 hours ago
Do you know whether there is a statute or regulation or other legal act that imposes this restriction? I have had trouble finding any relevant acts online.
– phoog
2 hours ago
I don't. And under EU freedom of movement I have the absolute right to go anywhere claimed by any EU member state. I'm thinking I might challenge them on it next time I return from outside the EU...
– Richard
2 hours ago
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EU freedom of movement, however, arguably does not apply to an Irish citizen entering Ireland from a non-EU territory. The terms of your admission would be governed by Irish law, not EU law. But under Irish law, really any evidence of nationality should be accepted, as noted by JonathanReez, especially, because it is a secure document, the passport card.
– phoog
2 hours ago
@Richard This answer is wrong. You can enter Ireland from anywhere as an Irish citizen, and the same goes for EU citizens with their national IDs. Also, the passport Card is not limited to the EU/EEA, but can be used for Albania, Bosnia, Montenegro, overseas France, Moldova, North Cyprus and Serbia as well. So the officers saying a passport book is required are plain wrong, period
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The officer you dealt with was wrong, and based on the answers and comments, this is depressingly common. It's also happened to me (I'm on a Swedish national ID card) when departing Zurich airport for Moscow (in transit to Tbilisi): I said out loud to the border police (well, in German) "why do you even care? I can exit Switzerland after all", whereby she said they'd be in trouble if I was refused entry to Russia. I then said "well how can I be refused entry without trying to gain it to begin with?" and that it's the Airline that's responsible, not Swiss police. She then got so irritated at me that she simply sent me on.
An Irish passport card proves your Irish citizenship, so you have the absolute right to enter from anywhere using it alone, and you're not required to even bring your passport book.
•What would have happened if I refused or lost my actual passport?
Nothing should happen, but clearly a lot of INIS agents are ignorant and may be bamboozled at it and possibly leave you standing there for a minute or two, but nothing else.
•As a citizen of the country, am I obliged to tell the immigration official where I was arriving from?
No you're not
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With regard to the last question and answer, that will surely vary by national law and the circumstances. It also depends on the meaning of "obliged": in the US, for example, a person who refuses to say where they are coming from could be violating customs reporting requirements, and, if the person is under suspicion of criminal activity where the point of departure is material to the investigation, could increase the probability of being arrested.
– phoog
1 hour ago
@phoog We're talking about Irish immigration, which has nothing to do with customs, unlike in the US
– Coke
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I read that as a statement about countries generally; perhaps I should not have.
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As an Irish citizen, you have the absolute right to enter Ireland. The immigration officer cannot possibly deny you entry, as long as you produce a document that shows you're in fact an Irish citizen - and the passport card clearly shows that. Therefore you have the absolute right to only produce your passport card and refuse to provide any other document. It might delay your border crossing though, so personally I'd just show my passport if I actually had one with me.
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As an Irish citizen, you have the absolute right to enter Ireland. The immigration officer cannot possibly deny you entry, as long as you produce a document that shows you're in fact an Irish citizen - and the passport card clearly shows that. Therefore you have the absolute right to only produce your passport card and refuse to provide any other document. It might delay your border crossing though, so personally I'd just show my passport if I actually had one with me.
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As an Irish citizen, you have the absolute right to enter Ireland. The immigration officer cannot possibly deny you entry, as long as you produce a document that shows you're in fact an Irish citizen - and the passport card clearly shows that. Therefore you have the absolute right to only produce your passport card and refuse to provide any other document. It might delay your border crossing though, so personally I'd just show my passport if I actually had one with me.
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JonathanReez♦
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As an Irish citizen, you have the absolute right to enter Ireland. The immigration officer cannot possibly deny you entry, as long as you produce a document that shows you're in fact an Irish citizen - and the passport card clearly shows that. Therefore you have the absolute right to only produce your passport card and refuse to provide any other document. It might delay your border crossing though, so personally I'd just show my passport if I actually had one with me.
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The Passport Card is valid only for travel WITHIN the EU/EEA/CH.
I've had this same issue. Was returning to Dublin on a flight from Moscow. Was asked where I was coming from (which was fairly obvious as there was only one flight coming in at that time).
I'm a Canadian dual-citizen, so it would be handy to travel to there or the US on my Canadian passport and return to Ireland with the card that lives in my wallet. Pain in the backside, and I don't really understand the point of it, but that's the way she goes.
EDIT: Here is the link to the DFA page stating the same: https://www.dfa.ie/passportcard/
answered 2 hours ago
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In very Irish fashion, when I offered to dig the passport out of my carry-on bag, the guard said it was fine but to remember this for next time. :)
– Richard
2 hours ago
Do you know whether there is a statute or regulation or other legal act that imposes this restriction? I have had trouble finding any relevant acts online.
– phoog
2 hours ago
I don't. And under EU freedom of movement I have the absolute right to go anywhere claimed by any EU member state. I'm thinking I might challenge them on it next time I return from outside the EU...
– Richard
2 hours ago
1
EU freedom of movement, however, arguably does not apply to an Irish citizen entering Ireland from a non-EU territory. The terms of your admission would be governed by Irish law, not EU law. But under Irish law, really any evidence of nationality should be accepted, as noted by JonathanReez, especially, because it is a secure document, the passport card.
– phoog
2 hours ago
@Richard This answer is wrong. You can enter Ireland from anywhere as an Irish citizen, and the same goes for EU citizens with their national IDs. Also, the passport Card is not limited to the EU/EEA, but can be used for Albania, Bosnia, Montenegro, overseas France, Moldova, North Cyprus and Serbia as well. So the officers saying a passport book is required are plain wrong, period
– Coke
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The Passport Card is valid only for travel WITHIN the EU/EEA/CH.
I've had this same issue. Was returning to Dublin on a flight from Moscow. Was asked where I was coming from (which was fairly obvious as there was only one flight coming in at that time).
I'm a Canadian dual-citizen, so it would be handy to travel to there or the US on my Canadian passport and return to Ireland with the card that lives in my wallet. Pain in the backside, and I don't really understand the point of it, but that's the way she goes.
EDIT: Here is the link to the DFA page stating the same: https://www.dfa.ie/passportcard/
answered 2 hours ago
Richard
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In very Irish fashion, when I offered to dig the passport out of my carry-on bag, the guard said it was fine but to remember this for next time. :)
– Richard
2 hours ago
Do you know whether there is a statute or regulation or other legal act that imposes this restriction? I have had trouble finding any relevant acts online.
– phoog
2 hours ago
I don't. And under EU freedom of movement I have the absolute right to go anywhere claimed by any EU member state. I'm thinking I might challenge them on it next time I return from outside the EU...
– Richard
2 hours ago
1
EU freedom of movement, however, arguably does not apply to an Irish citizen entering Ireland from a non-EU territory. The terms of your admission would be governed by Irish law, not EU law. But under Irish law, really any evidence of nationality should be accepted, as noted by JonathanReez, especially, because it is a secure document, the passport card.
– phoog
2 hours ago
@Richard This answer is wrong. You can enter Ireland from anywhere as an Irish citizen, and the same goes for EU citizens with their national IDs. Also, the passport Card is not limited to the EU/EEA, but can be used for Albania, Bosnia, Montenegro, overseas France, Moldova, North Cyprus and Serbia as well. So the officers saying a passport book is required are plain wrong, period
– Coke
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The Passport Card is valid only for travel WITHIN the EU/EEA/CH.
I've had this same issue. Was returning to Dublin on a flight from Moscow. Was asked where I was coming from (which was fairly obvious as there was only one flight coming in at that time).
I'm a Canadian dual-citizen, so it would be handy to travel to there or the US on my Canadian passport and return to Ireland with the card that lives in my wallet. Pain in the backside, and I don't really understand the point of it, but that's the way she goes.
EDIT: Here is the link to the DFA page stating the same: https://www.dfa.ie/passportcard/
answered 2 hours ago
Richard
537210
The Passport Card is valid only for travel WITHIN the EU/EEA/CH.
I've had this same issue. Was returning to Dublin on a flight from Moscow. Was asked where I was coming from (which was fairly obvious as there was only one flight coming in at that time).
I'm a Canadian dual-citizen, so it would be handy to travel to there or the US on my Canadian passport and return to Ireland with the card that lives in my wallet. Pain in the backside, and I don't really understand the point of it, but that's the way she goes.
EDIT: Here is the link to the DFA page stating the same: https://www.dfa.ie/passportcard/
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In very Irish fashion, when I offered to dig the passport out of my carry-on bag, the guard said it was fine but to remember this for next time. :)
– Richard
2 hours ago
Do you know whether there is a statute or regulation or other legal act that imposes this restriction? I have had trouble finding any relevant acts online.
– phoog
2 hours ago
I don't. And under EU freedom of movement I have the absolute right to go anywhere claimed by any EU member state. I'm thinking I might challenge them on it next time I return from outside the EU...
– Richard
2 hours ago
1
EU freedom of movement, however, arguably does not apply to an Irish citizen entering Ireland from a non-EU territory. The terms of your admission would be governed by Irish law, not EU law. But under Irish law, really any evidence of nationality should be accepted, as noted by JonathanReez, especially, because it is a secure document, the passport card.
– phoog
2 hours ago
@Richard This answer is wrong. You can enter Ireland from anywhere as an Irish citizen, and the same goes for EU citizens with their national IDs. Also, the passport Card is not limited to the EU/EEA, but can be used for Albania, Bosnia, Montenegro, overseas France, Moldova, North Cyprus and Serbia as well. So the officers saying a passport book is required are plain wrong, period
– Coke
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In very Irish fashion, when I offered to dig the passport out of my carry-on bag, the guard said it was fine but to remember this for next time. :)
– Richard
2 hours ago
Do you know whether there is a statute or regulation or other legal act that imposes this restriction? I have had trouble finding any relevant acts online.
– phoog
2 hours ago
I don't. And under EU freedom of movement I have the absolute right to go anywhere claimed by any EU member state. I'm thinking I might challenge them on it next time I return from outside the EU...
– Richard
2 hours ago
1
EU freedom of movement, however, arguably does not apply to an Irish citizen entering Ireland from a non-EU territory. The terms of your admission would be governed by Irish law, not EU law. But under Irish law, really any evidence of nationality should be accepted, as noted by JonathanReez, especially, because it is a secure document, the passport card.
– phoog
2 hours ago
@Richard This answer is wrong. You can enter Ireland from anywhere as an Irish citizen, and the same goes for EU citizens with their national IDs. Also, the passport Card is not limited to the EU/EEA, but can be used for Albania, Bosnia, Montenegro, overseas France, Moldova, North Cyprus and Serbia as well. So the officers saying a passport book is required are plain wrong, period
– Coke
1 hour ago
In very Irish fashion, when I offered to dig the passport out of my carry-on bag, the guard said it was fine but to remember this for next time. :)
– Richard
2 hours ago
In very Irish fashion, when I offered to dig the passport out of my carry-on bag, the guard said it was fine but to remember this for next time. :)
– Richard
2 hours ago
Do you know whether there is a statute or regulation or other legal act that imposes this restriction? I have had trouble finding any relevant acts online.
– phoog
2 hours ago
Do you know whether there is a statute or regulation or other legal act that imposes this restriction? I have had trouble finding any relevant acts online.
– phoog
2 hours ago
I don't. And under EU freedom of movement I have the absolute right to go anywhere claimed by any EU member state. I'm thinking I might challenge them on it next time I return from outside the EU...
– Richard
2 hours ago
I don't. And under EU freedom of movement I have the absolute right to go anywhere claimed by any EU member state. I'm thinking I might challenge them on it next time I return from outside the EU...
– Richard
2 hours ago
1
1
EU freedom of movement, however, arguably does not apply to an Irish citizen entering Ireland from a non-EU territory. The terms of your admission would be governed by Irish law, not EU law. But under Irish law, really any evidence of nationality should be accepted, as noted by JonathanReez, especially, because it is a secure document, the passport card.
– phoog
2 hours ago
EU freedom of movement, however, arguably does not apply to an Irish citizen entering Ireland from a non-EU territory. The terms of your admission would be governed by Irish law, not EU law. But under Irish law, really any evidence of nationality should be accepted, as noted by JonathanReez, especially, because it is a secure document, the passport card.
– phoog
2 hours ago
@Richard This answer is wrong. You can enter Ireland from anywhere as an Irish citizen, and the same goes for EU citizens with their national IDs. Also, the passport Card is not limited to the EU/EEA, but can be used for Albania, Bosnia, Montenegro, overseas France, Moldova, North Cyprus and Serbia as well. So the officers saying a passport book is required are plain wrong, period
– Coke
1 hour ago
@Richard This answer is wrong. You can enter Ireland from anywhere as an Irish citizen, and the same goes for EU citizens with their national IDs. Also, the passport Card is not limited to the EU/EEA, but can be used for Albania, Bosnia, Montenegro, overseas France, Moldova, North Cyprus and Serbia as well. So the officers saying a passport book is required are plain wrong, period
– Coke
1 hour ago
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The officer you dealt with was wrong, and based on the answers and comments, this is depressingly common. It's also happened to me (I'm on a Swedish national ID card) when departing Zurich airport for Moscow (in transit to Tbilisi): I said out loud to the border police (well, in German) "why do you even care? I can exit Switzerland after all", whereby she said they'd be in trouble if I was refused entry to Russia. I then said "well how can I be refused entry without trying to gain it to begin with?" and that it's the Airline that's responsible, not Swiss police. She then got so irritated at me that she simply sent me on.
An Irish passport card proves your Irish citizenship, so you have the absolute right to enter from anywhere using it alone, and you're not required to even bring your passport book.
•What would have happened if I refused or lost my actual passport?
Nothing should happen, but clearly a lot of INIS agents are ignorant and may be bamboozled at it and possibly leave you standing there for a minute or two, but nothing else.
•As a citizen of the country, am I obliged to tell the immigration official where I was arriving from?
No you're not
answered 1 hour ago
Coke
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With regard to the last question and answer, that will surely vary by national law and the circumstances. It also depends on the meaning of "obliged": in the US, for example, a person who refuses to say where they are coming from could be violating customs reporting requirements, and, if the person is under suspicion of criminal activity where the point of departure is material to the investigation, could increase the probability of being arrested.
– phoog
1 hour ago
@phoog We're talking about Irish immigration, which has nothing to do with customs, unlike in the US
– Coke
1 hour ago
I read that as a statement about countries generally; perhaps I should not have.
– phoog
35 mins ago
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The officer you dealt with was wrong, and based on the answers and comments, this is depressingly common. It's also happened to me (I'm on a Swedish national ID card) when departing Zurich airport for Moscow (in transit to Tbilisi): I said out loud to the border police (well, in German) "why do you even care? I can exit Switzerland after all", whereby she said they'd be in trouble if I was refused entry to Russia. I then said "well how can I be refused entry without trying to gain it to begin with?" and that it's the Airline that's responsible, not Swiss police. She then got so irritated at me that she simply sent me on.
An Irish passport card proves your Irish citizenship, so you have the absolute right to enter from anywhere using it alone, and you're not required to even bring your passport book.
•What would have happened if I refused or lost my actual passport?
Nothing should happen, but clearly a lot of INIS agents are ignorant and may be bamboozled at it and possibly leave you standing there for a minute or two, but nothing else.
•As a citizen of the country, am I obliged to tell the immigration official where I was arriving from?
No you're not
answered 1 hour ago
Coke
48.8k889216
With regard to the last question and answer, that will surely vary by national law and the circumstances. It also depends on the meaning of "obliged": in the US, for example, a person who refuses to say where they are coming from could be violating customs reporting requirements, and, if the person is under suspicion of criminal activity where the point of departure is material to the investigation, could increase the probability of being arrested.
– phoog
1 hour ago
@phoog We're talking about Irish immigration, which has nothing to do with customs, unlike in the US
– Coke
1 hour ago
I read that as a statement about countries generally; perhaps I should not have.
– phoog
35 mins ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
up vote
0
down vote
The officer you dealt with was wrong, and based on the answers and comments, this is depressingly common. It's also happened to me (I'm on a Swedish national ID card) when departing Zurich airport for Moscow (in transit to Tbilisi): I said out loud to the border police (well, in German) "why do you even care? I can exit Switzerland after all", whereby she said they'd be in trouble if I was refused entry to Russia. I then said "well how can I be refused entry without trying to gain it to begin with?" and that it's the Airline that's responsible, not Swiss police. She then got so irritated at me that she simply sent me on.
An Irish passport card proves your Irish citizenship, so you have the absolute right to enter from anywhere using it alone, and you're not required to even bring your passport book.
•What would have happened if I refused or lost my actual passport?
Nothing should happen, but clearly a lot of INIS agents are ignorant and may be bamboozled at it and possibly leave you standing there for a minute or two, but nothing else.
•As a citizen of the country, am I obliged to tell the immigration official where I was arriving from?
No you're not
answered 1 hour ago
Coke
48.8k889216
The officer you dealt with was wrong, and based on the answers and comments, this is depressingly common. It's also happened to me (I'm on a Swedish national ID card) when departing Zurich airport for Moscow (in transit to Tbilisi): I said out loud to the border police (well, in German) "why do you even care? I can exit Switzerland after all", whereby she said they'd be in trouble if I was refused entry to Russia. I then said "well how can I be refused entry without trying to gain it to begin with?" and that it's the Airline that's responsible, not Swiss police. She then got so irritated at me that she simply sent me on.
An Irish passport card proves your Irish citizenship, so you have the absolute right to enter from anywhere using it alone, and you're not required to even bring your passport book.
•What would have happened if I refused or lost my actual passport?
Nothing should happen, but clearly a lot of INIS agents are ignorant and may be bamboozled at it and possibly leave you standing there for a minute or two, but nothing else.
•As a citizen of the country, am I obliged to tell the immigration official where I was arriving from?
No you're not
answered 1 hour ago
Coke
48.8k889216
edited 1 hour ago
answered 1 hour ago
Coke
48.8k889216
answered 1 hour ago
Coke
48.8k889216
answered 1 hour ago
Coke
48.8k889216
48.8k889216
With regard to the last question and answer, that will surely vary by national law and the circumstances. It also depends on the meaning of "obliged": in the US, for example, a person who refuses to say where they are coming from could be violating customs reporting requirements, and, if the person is under suspicion of criminal activity where the point of departure is material to the investigation, could increase the probability of being arrested.
– phoog
1 hour ago
@phoog We're talking about Irish immigration, which has nothing to do with customs, unlike in the US
– Coke
1 hour ago
I read that as a statement about countries generally; perhaps I should not have.
– phoog
35 mins ago
add a comment |Â
With regard to the last question and answer, that will surely vary by national law and the circumstances. It also depends on the meaning of "obliged": in the US, for example, a person who refuses to say where they are coming from could be violating customs reporting requirements, and, if the person is under suspicion of criminal activity where the point of departure is material to the investigation, could increase the probability of being arrested.
– phoog
1 hour ago
@phoog We're talking about Irish immigration, which has nothing to do with customs, unlike in the US
– Coke
1 hour ago
I read that as a statement about countries generally; perhaps I should not have.
– phoog
35 mins ago
With regard to the last question and answer, that will surely vary by national law and the circumstances. It also depends on the meaning of "obliged": in the US, for example, a person who refuses to say where they are coming from could be violating customs reporting requirements, and, if the person is under suspicion of criminal activity where the point of departure is material to the investigation, could increase the probability of being arrested.
– phoog
1 hour ago
With regard to the last question and answer, that will surely vary by national law and the circumstances. It also depends on the meaning of "obliged": in the US, for example, a person who refuses to say where they are coming from could be violating customs reporting requirements, and, if the person is under suspicion of criminal activity where the point of departure is material to the investigation, could increase the probability of being arrested.
– phoog
1 hour ago
@phoog We're talking about Irish immigration, which has nothing to do with customs, unlike in the US
– Coke
1 hour ago
@phoog We're talking about Irish immigration, which has nothing to do with customs, unlike in the US
– Coke
1 hour ago
I read that as a statement about countries generally; perhaps I should not have.
– phoog
35 mins ago
I read that as a statement about countries generally; perhaps I should not have.
– phoog
35 mins ago
add a comment |Â
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I edited your question to restrict it to Ireland. Different countries will surely have different requirements and nobody will be able to write a comprehensive answer to the general question.
– David Richerby
4 hours ago
To proof the point of difference between different countries, I almost always enter the Netherlands with my ID card when I see an officer and I have never been asked for my passport.
– Willeke♦
4 hours ago
Some (possibly unrelated) comment - 1) Perhaps a spot check to ensure the passport card is not a fake one, as passport card is tied to the passport book according to this page? 2) Since the immigration official was told you are travelling from outside EEA, they must have inferred that you are likely to have your passport with you? I am not sure what happen if you refuse or lost your passport en route.
– B.Liu
3 hours ago
Another possibly-related data point: the US passport card can only be used at land borders and seaports from Caribbean locations. It cannot be used for air travel, for or ocean travel from other locations (e.g., Europe); a passport book must be used. So in this case, where you're arriving from does matter.
– Mike Harris
3 hours ago
@MikeHarris I suppose that is the explanation. Note that the page linked in the question says "can be used by Irish citizens for travel within the EU/EEA and Switzerland." I would post this as an answer, but I wanted to post a statutory citation for that restriction, and I am unable to find any statutory text relating to the passport card.
– phoog
2 hours ago