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Let's say a bunch of crazy scientists develop the ultimate marine predator. How feasible would it to give this whale sized creature a sonic attack that can be a hazard to humans that use small submarines?
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Let's say a bunch of crazy scientists develop the ultimate marine predator. How feasible would it to give this whale sized creature a sonic attack that can be a hazard to humans that use small submarines?
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Do you mean other than the Incredible Mr. Limpet?
– JBH
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You know a number of marine animals already use sonic attacks? How would this be different from that? Just in intensity?
– Tim B♦
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If Mother Nature could, she would probably sue this for copyright infringement...
– L.Dutch♦
3 hours ago
Have you heard of sperm whales? They are definitely predators, and whale sized, and they do use echolocation to locate prey and navigate. And there is a theory that they use their sonic abilities to stun their prey, and/or kill it, and/or predigest it. science20.com/squid_day/…
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Let's say a bunch of crazy scientists develop the ultimate marine predator. How feasible would it to give this whale sized creature a sonic attack that can be a hazard to humans that use small submarines?
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Let's say a bunch of crazy scientists develop the ultimate marine predator. How feasible would it to give this whale sized creature a sonic attack that can be a hazard to humans that use small submarines?
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Do you mean other than the Incredible Mr. Limpet?
– JBH
4 hours ago
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You know a number of marine animals already use sonic attacks? How would this be different from that? Just in intensity?
– Tim B♦
3 hours ago
3
If Mother Nature could, she would probably sue this for copyright infringement...
– L.Dutch♦
3 hours ago
Have you heard of sperm whales? They are definitely predators, and whale sized, and they do use echolocation to locate prey and navigate. And there is a theory that they use their sonic abilities to stun their prey, and/or kill it, and/or predigest it. science20.com/squid_day/…
– M. A. Golding
3 hours ago
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Do you mean other than the Incredible Mr. Limpet?
– JBH
4 hours ago
2
You know a number of marine animals already use sonic attacks? How would this be different from that? Just in intensity?
– Tim B♦
3 hours ago
3
If Mother Nature could, she would probably sue this for copyright infringement...
– L.Dutch♦
3 hours ago
Have you heard of sperm whales? They are definitely predators, and whale sized, and they do use echolocation to locate prey and navigate. And there is a theory that they use their sonic abilities to stun their prey, and/or kill it, and/or predigest it. science20.com/squid_day/…
– M. A. Golding
3 hours ago
Do you mean other than the Incredible Mr. Limpet?
– JBH
4 hours ago
Do you mean other than the Incredible Mr. Limpet?
– JBH
4 hours ago
2
2
You know a number of marine animals already use sonic attacks? How would this be different from that? Just in intensity?
– Tim B♦
3 hours ago
You know a number of marine animals already use sonic attacks? How would this be different from that? Just in intensity?
– Tim B♦
3 hours ago
3
3
If Mother Nature could, she would probably sue this for copyright infringement...
– L.Dutch♦
3 hours ago
If Mother Nature could, she would probably sue this for copyright infringement...
– L.Dutch♦
3 hours ago
Have you heard of sperm whales? They are definitely predators, and whale sized, and they do use echolocation to locate prey and navigate. And there is a theory that they use their sonic abilities to stun their prey, and/or kill it, and/or predigest it. science20.com/squid_day/…
– M. A. Golding
3 hours ago
Have you heard of sperm whales? They are definitely predators, and whale sized, and they do use echolocation to locate prey and navigate. And there is a theory that they use their sonic abilities to stun their prey, and/or kill it, and/or predigest it. science20.com/squid_day/…
– M. A. Golding
3 hours ago
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And again, the answer is:
Nature beat you to it (somewhat)
Behold: The Mantis Shrimp
[smasher and spearer strikes] strike by rapidly unfolding and swinging their raptorial claws at the prey, and can inflict serious damage on victims significantly greater in size than themselves. [...]
Even if the initial strike misses the prey, the resulting shock wave can be enough to stun or kill.
[emphasis mine]
While a shock wave is not the same as sonic attack, but they are quite similar. A soundwave is basically a moving medium, while a shock wave is nothing entirely different. In this case:
Because they strike so rapidly, they generate vapor-filled bubbles in the water between the appendage and the striking surface—known as cavitation bubbles. The collapse of these cavitation bubbles produces measurable forces on their prey in addition to the instantaneous forces of 1,500 newtons that are caused by the impact of the appendage against the striking surface
[emphasis mine]
The killing weapon is not the sound, but you can't have a shock wave without sound. It is more of a secondary thing, though.
You want it whale sized. That might be difficult, but I doubt that would make it impossible.
It probably does not even have to be that big.
From how I understand the effect, it only works, because the animal is small and such massive accelerations are possible. (You'd need a lot more force to accelerate a whale-appendage with 10,400g)
So you would be dependend on using this effect many times simultaneously with several organs and not a big one. You could build up massive pressure and damage weak points of the submarine easily.
If you bring intelligence into it, you would not even need that much size. All you have to accomplish is to damage the submarine's moving capabilities and you are done. Then you have basically all the time in the world.
See also: The Pistol Shrimp
answered 3 hours ago
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You might not think of it as a sonic attack by the time you're done with it.
First off, there is some prior art. Sperm Whales can click at over 230dB. These are actually powerful enough to vibrate a human body to death (technically, they cause pulmonary edema). So there's something to it.
But submarines change the story.
If your submarines were "scientist grade," they might be damaged by a loud sound wave. If you vibrated the submarine just right, you could cause the materials in the outer shell to fracture, and that would compromise the submarine. However, if your submarines were "military grade," it's going to be harder. The military submarines are designed to withstand the explosion of a torpedo at close range. Such an explosion basically is a sound weapon. It's a shock wave.
Consider the Mark-14. This torpedo was a mainstay of the US military during WWII. It had 643lb of explosives in the front of it. Given that it's the WWII torpedo, we should expect modern vessels to be more resilient against an attack like this. This thing detonated pretty much right against the hull of a ship, so call it 0.5m away.
One of the rules of sound is the inverse-square law. Increase the distance by a factor of $x$, and you affect the power by $frac1x^2$. If your creature wants to set off an unfocused sound weapon 100m away, that's 200 times the distance. This means you need 40,000 times the force to create the same result at the target. That's the equivalent of detonating 12,860 tons of explosives. Focusing the sound could decrease that, but probably by a factor of 100 at most. You're still talking hundreds of tons of explosives worth of force.
While you could come up with a creature that could exhibit such extravagant capabilities, it isn't really and effective approach for a predator. They won't have such un-refined tools. They are inefficient from a caloric perspective. The only reason I can think of for a predator to have something like this is if they went after schooling fish, but fish would be stunned with far less power than this. Maybe if you're hunting an entire pod of whales at once?
If I may reference ArtificialSoul's answer (since he posted it while I was typing), what you would likely see is a shock wave generated by an impact. The Mantis Shrimp is an excellent example of this.
After all, punches (and kicks) are sonic weapons, when viewed in slow motion.
answered 3 hours ago
Cort Ammon
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I didn't even think about the 230dB whales. Good idea!
– ArtificialSoul
3 hours ago
1
@ArtificialSoul Fascinating thing about that number. You can't get that loud in the air. You must be in water. In air, 196dB is the maximum sound wave you can get. Anything louder than that and the low pressure troughs would have to go below a perfect vacuum. Since they can't, it stops really being a wave and is just a shock.
– Cort Ammon
3 hours ago
This is why I love this site. You always learn something new :D
– ArtificialSoul
3 hours ago
Just adding another point of reference to prove nature definitely beat the OP to this concept.
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And again, the answer is:
Nature beat you to it (somewhat)
Behold: The Mantis Shrimp
[smasher and spearer strikes] strike by rapidly unfolding and swinging their raptorial claws at the prey, and can inflict serious damage on victims significantly greater in size than themselves. [...]
Even if the initial strike misses the prey, the resulting shock wave can be enough to stun or kill.
[emphasis mine]
While a shock wave is not the same as sonic attack, but they are quite similar. A soundwave is basically a moving medium, while a shock wave is nothing entirely different. In this case:
Because they strike so rapidly, they generate vapor-filled bubbles in the water between the appendage and the striking surface—known as cavitation bubbles. The collapse of these cavitation bubbles produces measurable forces on their prey in addition to the instantaneous forces of 1,500 newtons that are caused by the impact of the appendage against the striking surface
[emphasis mine]
The killing weapon is not the sound, but you can't have a shock wave without sound. It is more of a secondary thing, though.
You want it whale sized. That might be difficult, but I doubt that would make it impossible.
It probably does not even have to be that big.
From how I understand the effect, it only works, because the animal is small and such massive accelerations are possible. (You'd need a lot more force to accelerate a whale-appendage with 10,400g)
So you would be dependend on using this effect many times simultaneously with several organs and not a big one. You could build up massive pressure and damage weak points of the submarine easily.
If you bring intelligence into it, you would not even need that much size. All you have to accomplish is to damage the submarine's moving capabilities and you are done. Then you have basically all the time in the world.
See also: The Pistol Shrimp
answered 3 hours ago
ArtificialSoul
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up vote
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And again, the answer is:
Nature beat you to it (somewhat)
Behold: The Mantis Shrimp
[smasher and spearer strikes] strike by rapidly unfolding and swinging their raptorial claws at the prey, and can inflict serious damage on victims significantly greater in size than themselves. [...]
Even if the initial strike misses the prey, the resulting shock wave can be enough to stun or kill.
[emphasis mine]
While a shock wave is not the same as sonic attack, but they are quite similar. A soundwave is basically a moving medium, while a shock wave is nothing entirely different. In this case:
Because they strike so rapidly, they generate vapor-filled bubbles in the water between the appendage and the striking surface—known as cavitation bubbles. The collapse of these cavitation bubbles produces measurable forces on their prey in addition to the instantaneous forces of 1,500 newtons that are caused by the impact of the appendage against the striking surface
[emphasis mine]
The killing weapon is not the sound, but you can't have a shock wave without sound. It is more of a secondary thing, though.
You want it whale sized. That might be difficult, but I doubt that would make it impossible.
It probably does not even have to be that big.
From how I understand the effect, it only works, because the animal is small and such massive accelerations are possible. (You'd need a lot more force to accelerate a whale-appendage with 10,400g)
So you would be dependend on using this effect many times simultaneously with several organs and not a big one. You could build up massive pressure and damage weak points of the submarine easily.
If you bring intelligence into it, you would not even need that much size. All you have to accomplish is to damage the submarine's moving capabilities and you are done. Then you have basically all the time in the world.
See also: The Pistol Shrimp
answered 3 hours ago
ArtificialSoul
5,3101540
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up vote
5
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up vote
5
down vote
And again, the answer is:
Nature beat you to it (somewhat)
Behold: The Mantis Shrimp
[smasher and spearer strikes] strike by rapidly unfolding and swinging their raptorial claws at the prey, and can inflict serious damage on victims significantly greater in size than themselves. [...]
Even if the initial strike misses the prey, the resulting shock wave can be enough to stun or kill.
[emphasis mine]
While a shock wave is not the same as sonic attack, but they are quite similar. A soundwave is basically a moving medium, while a shock wave is nothing entirely different. In this case:
Because they strike so rapidly, they generate vapor-filled bubbles in the water between the appendage and the striking surface—known as cavitation bubbles. The collapse of these cavitation bubbles produces measurable forces on their prey in addition to the instantaneous forces of 1,500 newtons that are caused by the impact of the appendage against the striking surface
[emphasis mine]
The killing weapon is not the sound, but you can't have a shock wave without sound. It is more of a secondary thing, though.
You want it whale sized. That might be difficult, but I doubt that would make it impossible.
It probably does not even have to be that big.
From how I understand the effect, it only works, because the animal is small and such massive accelerations are possible. (You'd need a lot more force to accelerate a whale-appendage with 10,400g)
So you would be dependend on using this effect many times simultaneously with several organs and not a big one. You could build up massive pressure and damage weak points of the submarine easily.
If you bring intelligence into it, you would not even need that much size. All you have to accomplish is to damage the submarine's moving capabilities and you are done. Then you have basically all the time in the world.
See also: The Pistol Shrimp
answered 3 hours ago
ArtificialSoul
5,3101540
And again, the answer is:
Nature beat you to it (somewhat)
Behold: The Mantis Shrimp
[smasher and spearer strikes] strike by rapidly unfolding and swinging their raptorial claws at the prey, and can inflict serious damage on victims significantly greater in size than themselves. [...]
Even if the initial strike misses the prey, the resulting shock wave can be enough to stun or kill.
[emphasis mine]
While a shock wave is not the same as sonic attack, but they are quite similar. A soundwave is basically a moving medium, while a shock wave is nothing entirely different. In this case:
Because they strike so rapidly, they generate vapor-filled bubbles in the water between the appendage and the striking surface—known as cavitation bubbles. The collapse of these cavitation bubbles produces measurable forces on their prey in addition to the instantaneous forces of 1,500 newtons that are caused by the impact of the appendage against the striking surface
[emphasis mine]
The killing weapon is not the sound, but you can't have a shock wave without sound. It is more of a secondary thing, though.
You want it whale sized. That might be difficult, but I doubt that would make it impossible.
It probably does not even have to be that big.
From how I understand the effect, it only works, because the animal is small and such massive accelerations are possible. (You'd need a lot more force to accelerate a whale-appendage with 10,400g)
So you would be dependend on using this effect many times simultaneously with several organs and not a big one. You could build up massive pressure and damage weak points of the submarine easily.
If you bring intelligence into it, you would not even need that much size. All you have to accomplish is to damage the submarine's moving capabilities and you are done. Then you have basically all the time in the world.
See also: The Pistol Shrimp
answered 3 hours ago
ArtificialSoul
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answered 3 hours ago
ArtificialSoul
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answered 3 hours ago
ArtificialSoul
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answered 3 hours ago
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You might not think of it as a sonic attack by the time you're done with it.
First off, there is some prior art. Sperm Whales can click at over 230dB. These are actually powerful enough to vibrate a human body to death (technically, they cause pulmonary edema). So there's something to it.
But submarines change the story.
If your submarines were "scientist grade," they might be damaged by a loud sound wave. If you vibrated the submarine just right, you could cause the materials in the outer shell to fracture, and that would compromise the submarine. However, if your submarines were "military grade," it's going to be harder. The military submarines are designed to withstand the explosion of a torpedo at close range. Such an explosion basically is a sound weapon. It's a shock wave.
Consider the Mark-14. This torpedo was a mainstay of the US military during WWII. It had 643lb of explosives in the front of it. Given that it's the WWII torpedo, we should expect modern vessels to be more resilient against an attack like this. This thing detonated pretty much right against the hull of a ship, so call it 0.5m away.
One of the rules of sound is the inverse-square law. Increase the distance by a factor of $x$, and you affect the power by $frac1x^2$. If your creature wants to set off an unfocused sound weapon 100m away, that's 200 times the distance. This means you need 40,000 times the force to create the same result at the target. That's the equivalent of detonating 12,860 tons of explosives. Focusing the sound could decrease that, but probably by a factor of 100 at most. You're still talking hundreds of tons of explosives worth of force.
While you could come up with a creature that could exhibit such extravagant capabilities, it isn't really and effective approach for a predator. They won't have such un-refined tools. They are inefficient from a caloric perspective. The only reason I can think of for a predator to have something like this is if they went after schooling fish, but fish would be stunned with far less power than this. Maybe if you're hunting an entire pod of whales at once?
If I may reference ArtificialSoul's answer (since he posted it while I was typing), what you would likely see is a shock wave generated by an impact. The Mantis Shrimp is an excellent example of this.
After all, punches (and kicks) are sonic weapons, when viewed in slow motion.
answered 3 hours ago
Cort Ammon
101k15177358
I didn't even think about the 230dB whales. Good idea!
– ArtificialSoul
3 hours ago
1
@ArtificialSoul Fascinating thing about that number. You can't get that loud in the air. You must be in water. In air, 196dB is the maximum sound wave you can get. Anything louder than that and the low pressure troughs would have to go below a perfect vacuum. Since they can't, it stops really being a wave and is just a shock.
– Cort Ammon
3 hours ago
This is why I love this site. You always learn something new :D
– ArtificialSoul
3 hours ago
Just adding another point of reference to prove nature definitely beat the OP to this concept.
– Frostfyre
3 hours ago
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You might not think of it as a sonic attack by the time you're done with it.
First off, there is some prior art. Sperm Whales can click at over 230dB. These are actually powerful enough to vibrate a human body to death (technically, they cause pulmonary edema). So there's something to it.
But submarines change the story.
If your submarines were "scientist grade," they might be damaged by a loud sound wave. If you vibrated the submarine just right, you could cause the materials in the outer shell to fracture, and that would compromise the submarine. However, if your submarines were "military grade," it's going to be harder. The military submarines are designed to withstand the explosion of a torpedo at close range. Such an explosion basically is a sound weapon. It's a shock wave.
Consider the Mark-14. This torpedo was a mainstay of the US military during WWII. It had 643lb of explosives in the front of it. Given that it's the WWII torpedo, we should expect modern vessels to be more resilient against an attack like this. This thing detonated pretty much right against the hull of a ship, so call it 0.5m away.
One of the rules of sound is the inverse-square law. Increase the distance by a factor of $x$, and you affect the power by $frac1x^2$. If your creature wants to set off an unfocused sound weapon 100m away, that's 200 times the distance. This means you need 40,000 times the force to create the same result at the target. That's the equivalent of detonating 12,860 tons of explosives. Focusing the sound could decrease that, but probably by a factor of 100 at most. You're still talking hundreds of tons of explosives worth of force.
While you could come up with a creature that could exhibit such extravagant capabilities, it isn't really and effective approach for a predator. They won't have such un-refined tools. They are inefficient from a caloric perspective. The only reason I can think of for a predator to have something like this is if they went after schooling fish, but fish would be stunned with far less power than this. Maybe if you're hunting an entire pod of whales at once?
If I may reference ArtificialSoul's answer (since he posted it while I was typing), what you would likely see is a shock wave generated by an impact. The Mantis Shrimp is an excellent example of this.
After all, punches (and kicks) are sonic weapons, when viewed in slow motion.
answered 3 hours ago
Cort Ammon
101k15177358
I didn't even think about the 230dB whales. Good idea!
– ArtificialSoul
3 hours ago
1
@ArtificialSoul Fascinating thing about that number. You can't get that loud in the air. You must be in water. In air, 196dB is the maximum sound wave you can get. Anything louder than that and the low pressure troughs would have to go below a perfect vacuum. Since they can't, it stops really being a wave and is just a shock.
– Cort Ammon
3 hours ago
This is why I love this site. You always learn something new :D
– ArtificialSoul
3 hours ago
Just adding another point of reference to prove nature definitely beat the OP to this concept.
– Frostfyre
3 hours ago
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up vote
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You might not think of it as a sonic attack by the time you're done with it.
First off, there is some prior art. Sperm Whales can click at over 230dB. These are actually powerful enough to vibrate a human body to death (technically, they cause pulmonary edema). So there's something to it.
But submarines change the story.
If your submarines were "scientist grade," they might be damaged by a loud sound wave. If you vibrated the submarine just right, you could cause the materials in the outer shell to fracture, and that would compromise the submarine. However, if your submarines were "military grade," it's going to be harder. The military submarines are designed to withstand the explosion of a torpedo at close range. Such an explosion basically is a sound weapon. It's a shock wave.
Consider the Mark-14. This torpedo was a mainstay of the US military during WWII. It had 643lb of explosives in the front of it. Given that it's the WWII torpedo, we should expect modern vessels to be more resilient against an attack like this. This thing detonated pretty much right against the hull of a ship, so call it 0.5m away.
One of the rules of sound is the inverse-square law. Increase the distance by a factor of $x$, and you affect the power by $frac1x^2$. If your creature wants to set off an unfocused sound weapon 100m away, that's 200 times the distance. This means you need 40,000 times the force to create the same result at the target. That's the equivalent of detonating 12,860 tons of explosives. Focusing the sound could decrease that, but probably by a factor of 100 at most. You're still talking hundreds of tons of explosives worth of force.
While you could come up with a creature that could exhibit such extravagant capabilities, it isn't really and effective approach for a predator. They won't have such un-refined tools. They are inefficient from a caloric perspective. The only reason I can think of for a predator to have something like this is if they went after schooling fish, but fish would be stunned with far less power than this. Maybe if you're hunting an entire pod of whales at once?
If I may reference ArtificialSoul's answer (since he posted it while I was typing), what you would likely see is a shock wave generated by an impact. The Mantis Shrimp is an excellent example of this.
After all, punches (and kicks) are sonic weapons, when viewed in slow motion.
answered 3 hours ago
Cort Ammon
101k15177358
You might not think of it as a sonic attack by the time you're done with it.
First off, there is some prior art. Sperm Whales can click at over 230dB. These are actually powerful enough to vibrate a human body to death (technically, they cause pulmonary edema). So there's something to it.
But submarines change the story.
If your submarines were "scientist grade," they might be damaged by a loud sound wave. If you vibrated the submarine just right, you could cause the materials in the outer shell to fracture, and that would compromise the submarine. However, if your submarines were "military grade," it's going to be harder. The military submarines are designed to withstand the explosion of a torpedo at close range. Such an explosion basically is a sound weapon. It's a shock wave.
Consider the Mark-14. This torpedo was a mainstay of the US military during WWII. It had 643lb of explosives in the front of it. Given that it's the WWII torpedo, we should expect modern vessels to be more resilient against an attack like this. This thing detonated pretty much right against the hull of a ship, so call it 0.5m away.
One of the rules of sound is the inverse-square law. Increase the distance by a factor of $x$, and you affect the power by $frac1x^2$. If your creature wants to set off an unfocused sound weapon 100m away, that's 200 times the distance. This means you need 40,000 times the force to create the same result at the target. That's the equivalent of detonating 12,860 tons of explosives. Focusing the sound could decrease that, but probably by a factor of 100 at most. You're still talking hundreds of tons of explosives worth of force.
While you could come up with a creature that could exhibit such extravagant capabilities, it isn't really and effective approach for a predator. They won't have such un-refined tools. They are inefficient from a caloric perspective. The only reason I can think of for a predator to have something like this is if they went after schooling fish, but fish would be stunned with far less power than this. Maybe if you're hunting an entire pod of whales at once?
If I may reference ArtificialSoul's answer (since he posted it while I was typing), what you would likely see is a shock wave generated by an impact. The Mantis Shrimp is an excellent example of this.
After all, punches (and kicks) are sonic weapons, when viewed in slow motion.
answered 3 hours ago
Cort Ammon
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edited 3 hours ago
answered 3 hours ago
Cort Ammon
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Cort Ammon
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I didn't even think about the 230dB whales. Good idea!
– ArtificialSoul
3 hours ago
1
@ArtificialSoul Fascinating thing about that number. You can't get that loud in the air. You must be in water. In air, 196dB is the maximum sound wave you can get. Anything louder than that and the low pressure troughs would have to go below a perfect vacuum. Since they can't, it stops really being a wave and is just a shock.
– Cort Ammon
3 hours ago
This is why I love this site. You always learn something new :D
– ArtificialSoul
3 hours ago
Just adding another point of reference to prove nature definitely beat the OP to this concept.
– Frostfyre
3 hours ago
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I didn't even think about the 230dB whales. Good idea!
– ArtificialSoul
3 hours ago
1
@ArtificialSoul Fascinating thing about that number. You can't get that loud in the air. You must be in water. In air, 196dB is the maximum sound wave you can get. Anything louder than that and the low pressure troughs would have to go below a perfect vacuum. Since they can't, it stops really being a wave and is just a shock.
– Cort Ammon
3 hours ago
This is why I love this site. You always learn something new :D
– ArtificialSoul
3 hours ago
Just adding another point of reference to prove nature definitely beat the OP to this concept.
– Frostfyre
3 hours ago
I didn't even think about the 230dB whales. Good idea!
– ArtificialSoul
3 hours ago
I didn't even think about the 230dB whales. Good idea!
– ArtificialSoul
3 hours ago
1
1
@ArtificialSoul Fascinating thing about that number. You can't get that loud in the air. You must be in water. In air, 196dB is the maximum sound wave you can get. Anything louder than that and the low pressure troughs would have to go below a perfect vacuum. Since they can't, it stops really being a wave and is just a shock.
– Cort Ammon
3 hours ago
@ArtificialSoul Fascinating thing about that number. You can't get that loud in the air. You must be in water. In air, 196dB is the maximum sound wave you can get. Anything louder than that and the low pressure troughs would have to go below a perfect vacuum. Since they can't, it stops really being a wave and is just a shock.
– Cort Ammon
3 hours ago
This is why I love this site. You always learn something new :D
– ArtificialSoul
3 hours ago
This is why I love this site. You always learn something new :D
– ArtificialSoul
3 hours ago
Just adding another point of reference to prove nature definitely beat the OP to this concept.
– Frostfyre
3 hours ago
Just adding another point of reference to prove nature definitely beat the OP to this concept.
– Frostfyre
3 hours ago
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Do you mean other than the Incredible Mr. Limpet?
– JBH
4 hours ago
2
You know a number of marine animals already use sonic attacks? How would this be different from that? Just in intensity?
– Tim B♦
3 hours ago
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If Mother Nature could, she would probably sue this for copyright infringement...
– L.Dutch♦
3 hours ago
Have you heard of sperm whales? They are definitely predators, and whale sized, and they do use echolocation to locate prey and navigate. And there is a theory that they use their sonic abilities to stun their prey, and/or kill it, and/or predigest it. science20.com/squid_day/…
– M. A. Golding
3 hours ago