Run MACsec and VLAN in parallel?

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MACsec (IEEE 802.1ae) adds a security tag to an Ethernet frame and encrypts the IEEE 802.1Q field, the EtherType and the payload field.



If you want to use VLAN, you need the 802.1Q field to announce the VLAN ID. The EtherType is usually set to 0x8100.



However, both MACsec and VLAN use an unique EtherType. As far as I undertand, the security tag introduced by MACsec uses an own EtherType. Is it possible to use MACsec and VLAN in parallel?










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    MACsec (IEEE 802.1ae) adds a security tag to an Ethernet frame and encrypts the IEEE 802.1Q field, the EtherType and the payload field.



    If you want to use VLAN, you need the 802.1Q field to announce the VLAN ID. The EtherType is usually set to 0x8100.



    However, both MACsec and VLAN use an unique EtherType. As far as I undertand, the security tag introduced by MACsec uses an own EtherType. Is it possible to use MACsec and VLAN in parallel?










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      MACsec (IEEE 802.1ae) adds a security tag to an Ethernet frame and encrypts the IEEE 802.1Q field, the EtherType and the payload field.



      If you want to use VLAN, you need the 802.1Q field to announce the VLAN ID. The EtherType is usually set to 0x8100.



      However, both MACsec and VLAN use an unique EtherType. As far as I undertand, the security tag introduced by MACsec uses an own EtherType. Is it possible to use MACsec and VLAN in parallel?










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      MACsec (IEEE 802.1ae) adds a security tag to an Ethernet frame and encrypts the IEEE 802.1Q field, the EtherType and the payload field.



      If you want to use VLAN, you need the 802.1Q field to announce the VLAN ID. The EtherType is usually set to 0x8100.



      However, both MACsec and VLAN use an unique EtherType. As far as I undertand, the security tag introduced by MACsec uses an own EtherType. Is it possible to use MACsec and VLAN in parallel?







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          Welcome to Network Engineering! There is no standard for MACSec and 802.1Q, so manufacturers have come up with their own solutions. Cisco calls it "WAN MACSec," and does it this way:




          The WAN MACsec offering is standards based but offers additional
          capabilities not found in earlier MACsec capabilities. More
          specifically, MACsec can be leveraged by enterprise customers over
          public carrier Ethernet offerings, allowing customers to adapt to the
          public carrier Ethernet service offering and capabilities (or
          restrictions).



          New enhancements for WAN MACsec include:



          1. 802.1Q Tag in the Clear


          2. Standard IEEE 802.1X-rev MACsec Key Agreement


          3. Integrated MACsec authentication adaptability over public Carrier Ethernet transport


          4. 802.1Q Tag in the Clear


          This enhancement offers the ability to expose the 802.1Q tag outside
          the encrypted MACsec header. Exposing this field offers a multitude of
          design options with MACsec, and in some cases of public Carrier
          Ethernet transport providers, is necessary for leveraging certain
          transport services (see use case section).




          https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/ios-nx-os-software/identity-based-networking-services/white-paper-c11-737544.html






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            Welcome to Network Engineering! There is no standard for MACSec and 802.1Q, so manufacturers have come up with their own solutions. Cisco calls it "WAN MACSec," and does it this way:




            The WAN MACsec offering is standards based but offers additional
            capabilities not found in earlier MACsec capabilities. More
            specifically, MACsec can be leveraged by enterprise customers over
            public carrier Ethernet offerings, allowing customers to adapt to the
            public carrier Ethernet service offering and capabilities (or
            restrictions).



            New enhancements for WAN MACsec include:



            1. 802.1Q Tag in the Clear


            2. Standard IEEE 802.1X-rev MACsec Key Agreement


            3. Integrated MACsec authentication adaptability over public Carrier Ethernet transport


            4. 802.1Q Tag in the Clear


            This enhancement offers the ability to expose the 802.1Q tag outside
            the encrypted MACsec header. Exposing this field offers a multitude of
            design options with MACsec, and in some cases of public Carrier
            Ethernet transport providers, is necessary for leveraging certain
            transport services (see use case section).




            https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/ios-nx-os-software/identity-based-networking-services/white-paper-c11-737544.html






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              Welcome to Network Engineering! There is no standard for MACSec and 802.1Q, so manufacturers have come up with their own solutions. Cisco calls it "WAN MACSec," and does it this way:




              The WAN MACsec offering is standards based but offers additional
              capabilities not found in earlier MACsec capabilities. More
              specifically, MACsec can be leveraged by enterprise customers over
              public carrier Ethernet offerings, allowing customers to adapt to the
              public carrier Ethernet service offering and capabilities (or
              restrictions).



              New enhancements for WAN MACsec include:



              1. 802.1Q Tag in the Clear


              2. Standard IEEE 802.1X-rev MACsec Key Agreement


              3. Integrated MACsec authentication adaptability over public Carrier Ethernet transport


              4. 802.1Q Tag in the Clear


              This enhancement offers the ability to expose the 802.1Q tag outside
              the encrypted MACsec header. Exposing this field offers a multitude of
              design options with MACsec, and in some cases of public Carrier
              Ethernet transport providers, is necessary for leveraging certain
              transport services (see use case section).




              https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/ios-nx-os-software/identity-based-networking-services/white-paper-c11-737544.html






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                Welcome to Network Engineering! There is no standard for MACSec and 802.1Q, so manufacturers have come up with their own solutions. Cisco calls it "WAN MACSec," and does it this way:




                The WAN MACsec offering is standards based but offers additional
                capabilities not found in earlier MACsec capabilities. More
                specifically, MACsec can be leveraged by enterprise customers over
                public carrier Ethernet offerings, allowing customers to adapt to the
                public carrier Ethernet service offering and capabilities (or
                restrictions).



                New enhancements for WAN MACsec include:



                1. 802.1Q Tag in the Clear


                2. Standard IEEE 802.1X-rev MACsec Key Agreement


                3. Integrated MACsec authentication adaptability over public Carrier Ethernet transport


                4. 802.1Q Tag in the Clear


                This enhancement offers the ability to expose the 802.1Q tag outside
                the encrypted MACsec header. Exposing this field offers a multitude of
                design options with MACsec, and in some cases of public Carrier
                Ethernet transport providers, is necessary for leveraging certain
                transport services (see use case section).




                https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/ios-nx-os-software/identity-based-networking-services/white-paper-c11-737544.html






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                Welcome to Network Engineering! There is no standard for MACSec and 802.1Q, so manufacturers have come up with their own solutions. Cisco calls it "WAN MACSec," and does it this way:




                The WAN MACsec offering is standards based but offers additional
                capabilities not found in earlier MACsec capabilities. More
                specifically, MACsec can be leveraged by enterprise customers over
                public carrier Ethernet offerings, allowing customers to adapt to the
                public carrier Ethernet service offering and capabilities (or
                restrictions).



                New enhancements for WAN MACsec include:



                1. 802.1Q Tag in the Clear


                2. Standard IEEE 802.1X-rev MACsec Key Agreement


                3. Integrated MACsec authentication adaptability over public Carrier Ethernet transport


                4. 802.1Q Tag in the Clear


                This enhancement offers the ability to expose the 802.1Q tag outside
                the encrypted MACsec header. Exposing this field offers a multitude of
                design options with MACsec, and in some cases of public Carrier
                Ethernet transport providers, is necessary for leveraging certain
                transport services (see use case section).




                https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/ios-nx-os-software/identity-based-networking-services/white-paper-c11-737544.html







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