Cryomancer, combat style
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Cryomancy is cool, ice is cool and ice mages too. But does it actually hold any utility other than keeping your food fresh, specially martially wise(?)
How could an individual with ice magic powers be able to use his magic in combat, a life or death situation where fleeing is not an option ?
The magic works like that : You can activate a part of your brain that enables you to turn air into liquid then solid ice by manipulating pressure or at least to drop it's temperature at the cost of calories, only the air you are able to directly ''see'' so freezing people to death from within is not an option.
Dropping 100 liters of air down by 10 Cð costs 500 Kilocalories and causes extreme acceleration in breathing if this magic is abused it can fatigue or even kill the user.
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Cryomancy is cool, ice is cool and ice mages too. But does it actually hold any utility other than keeping your food fresh, specially martially wise(?)
How could an individual with ice magic powers be able to use his magic in combat, a life or death situation where fleeing is not an option ?
The magic works like that : You can activate a part of your brain that enables you to turn air into liquid then solid ice by manipulating pressure or at least to drop it's temperature at the cost of calories, only the air you are able to directly ''see'' so freezing people to death from within is not an option.
Dropping 100 liters of air down by 10 Cð costs 500 Kilocalories and causes extreme acceleration in breathing if this magic is abused it can fatigue or even kill the user.
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By "turn air into solid ice" do you mean freezing the water in the air, or freezing the gases that make up air? In other words, is the ice block around 0°C or -220°C? Also, does it happen instantly?
â Giter
52 mins ago
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Can the mage use his particle speed manipulation to turn air into very rapid solid projectiles?
â Alexander
51 mins ago
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if air pressure can used that way then yes.
â Eries
49 mins ago
2
Maybe you are unaware of how many "air particles" there are. A brain can't do that, I know from personal experience. Calculating 100 things at once is already, well, the timescale you need before they hit each other.... They are also small enough to fall into the realm of quantum physics. I'm just giving you a word of caution: it's sometimes best to not offer scientific explanations for magic. You explain one aspect barely but ignore others, e.g. how you then manage to slow them. Why? It might be relevant for the story, otherwise, well, good luck
â Raditz_35
47 mins ago
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Can you cool your opponent directly, even if it's just the surface parts that you can see? Destroying eyeballs wouldn't require cooling much volume and would be very effective in most combat situations.
â Gene
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Cryomancy is cool, ice is cool and ice mages too. But does it actually hold any utility other than keeping your food fresh, specially martially wise(?)
How could an individual with ice magic powers be able to use his magic in combat, a life or death situation where fleeing is not an option ?
The magic works like that : You can activate a part of your brain that enables you to turn air into liquid then solid ice by manipulating pressure or at least to drop it's temperature at the cost of calories, only the air you are able to directly ''see'' so freezing people to death from within is not an option.
Dropping 100 liters of air down by 10 Cð costs 500 Kilocalories and causes extreme acceleration in breathing if this magic is abused it can fatigue or even kill the user.
magic alternate-worlds anatomy combat
Cryomancy is cool, ice is cool and ice mages too. But does it actually hold any utility other than keeping your food fresh, specially martially wise(?)
How could an individual with ice magic powers be able to use his magic in combat, a life or death situation where fleeing is not an option ?
The magic works like that : You can activate a part of your brain that enables you to turn air into liquid then solid ice by manipulating pressure or at least to drop it's temperature at the cost of calories, only the air you are able to directly ''see'' so freezing people to death from within is not an option.
Dropping 100 liters of air down by 10 Cð costs 500 Kilocalories and causes extreme acceleration in breathing if this magic is abused it can fatigue or even kill the user.
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By "turn air into solid ice" do you mean freezing the water in the air, or freezing the gases that make up air? In other words, is the ice block around 0°C or -220°C? Also, does it happen instantly?
â Giter
52 mins ago
2
Can the mage use his particle speed manipulation to turn air into very rapid solid projectiles?
â Alexander
51 mins ago
1
if air pressure can used that way then yes.
â Eries
49 mins ago
2
Maybe you are unaware of how many "air particles" there are. A brain can't do that, I know from personal experience. Calculating 100 things at once is already, well, the timescale you need before they hit each other.... They are also small enough to fall into the realm of quantum physics. I'm just giving you a word of caution: it's sometimes best to not offer scientific explanations for magic. You explain one aspect barely but ignore others, e.g. how you then manage to slow them. Why? It might be relevant for the story, otherwise, well, good luck
â Raditz_35
47 mins ago
2
Can you cool your opponent directly, even if it's just the surface parts that you can see? Destroying eyeballs wouldn't require cooling much volume and would be very effective in most combat situations.
â Gene
38 mins ago
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By "turn air into solid ice" do you mean freezing the water in the air, or freezing the gases that make up air? In other words, is the ice block around 0°C or -220°C? Also, does it happen instantly?
â Giter
52 mins ago
2
Can the mage use his particle speed manipulation to turn air into very rapid solid projectiles?
â Alexander
51 mins ago
1
if air pressure can used that way then yes.
â Eries
49 mins ago
2
Maybe you are unaware of how many "air particles" there are. A brain can't do that, I know from personal experience. Calculating 100 things at once is already, well, the timescale you need before they hit each other.... They are also small enough to fall into the realm of quantum physics. I'm just giving you a word of caution: it's sometimes best to not offer scientific explanations for magic. You explain one aspect barely but ignore others, e.g. how you then manage to slow them. Why? It might be relevant for the story, otherwise, well, good luck
â Raditz_35
47 mins ago
2
Can you cool your opponent directly, even if it's just the surface parts that you can see? Destroying eyeballs wouldn't require cooling much volume and would be very effective in most combat situations.
â Gene
38 mins ago
4
4
By "turn air into solid ice" do you mean freezing the water in the air, or freezing the gases that make up air? In other words, is the ice block around 0°C or -220°C? Also, does it happen instantly?
â Giter
52 mins ago
By "turn air into solid ice" do you mean freezing the water in the air, or freezing the gases that make up air? In other words, is the ice block around 0°C or -220°C? Also, does it happen instantly?
â Giter
52 mins ago
2
2
Can the mage use his particle speed manipulation to turn air into very rapid solid projectiles?
â Alexander
51 mins ago
Can the mage use his particle speed manipulation to turn air into very rapid solid projectiles?
â Alexander
51 mins ago
1
1
if air pressure can used that way then yes.
â Eries
49 mins ago
if air pressure can used that way then yes.
â Eries
49 mins ago
2
2
Maybe you are unaware of how many "air particles" there are. A brain can't do that, I know from personal experience. Calculating 100 things at once is already, well, the timescale you need before they hit each other.... They are also small enough to fall into the realm of quantum physics. I'm just giving you a word of caution: it's sometimes best to not offer scientific explanations for magic. You explain one aspect barely but ignore others, e.g. how you then manage to slow them. Why? It might be relevant for the story, otherwise, well, good luck
â Raditz_35
47 mins ago
Maybe you are unaware of how many "air particles" there are. A brain can't do that, I know from personal experience. Calculating 100 things at once is already, well, the timescale you need before they hit each other.... They are also small enough to fall into the realm of quantum physics. I'm just giving you a word of caution: it's sometimes best to not offer scientific explanations for magic. You explain one aspect barely but ignore others, e.g. how you then manage to slow them. Why? It might be relevant for the story, otherwise, well, good luck
â Raditz_35
47 mins ago
2
2
Can you cool your opponent directly, even if it's just the surface parts that you can see? Destroying eyeballs wouldn't require cooling much volume and would be very effective in most combat situations.
â Gene
38 mins ago
Can you cool your opponent directly, even if it's just the surface parts that you can see? Destroying eyeballs wouldn't require cooling much volume and would be very effective in most combat situations.
â Gene
38 mins ago
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Cooling a air requires means reducing its energy, and that energy has to go somewhere. Heating up something else can be a useful attack if it is controlled, or a side-effect if not controlled, or it can be handwaived that energy is used to power the skill, or counter its effects, or is directed deep undeground, into alternative dimension, etc.
Time for Physics: https://home.howstuffworks.com/humidifier1.htm
A cubic meter of air at 100% humidty (and 25C) contains 22 grams of water.
At 20C, it can contain 18grams.
So dropping temp by 5C gets you 4 grams of liquid water per cubic meter, and your example of cooling 100m^2 of air by 10C gives you 800grams of liquid water (less than a kilogram). Turning it into ice will require sucking more energy out of it. I do not know enough physics to say how much, but I will assume 400 grams of ice, i.e. about a pound.
Simple combat use of 400g of ice is to drop it onto enemy from some height. If you have control, you can form the ice in some vulnerable location, e.g. over face to interrupt breathing and vision, or render their gear useless.
PS Freezing eyeballs like @Gene suggested is an excellent strategy if it is possible. Also freezing fingers. Do not have to completely freeze either, I bet a drop in temperature will hurt enough.
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Combat styles can't be defined simply. They involve thousands of tiny features coming together. However, what you describe does seem to be sufficient to create weapons out of thin air and to direct them.
What you probably want to train in is a rope-like weapon, such as a metor hammer or dart or chain whip. Here's a video of what can be done with one by a mere mortal.
Now one of the major limits of the chain whip class of weapons is that you have a very limited set of things you can do to the weapon. The masters spend a lot of time honing these so that they can increase and decrease the length of the chain by wrapping it around their body. Your ice master would have one additional capability: the ability to slow it down and guide it. By summoning mass in front of the weapon (in the form of snowflakes?) you can change its energy and momentum in ways that normal masters of these weapons cannot. Thus, in a fight, nobody will be prepared for what you can do.
For example, an opponent might grab the chain. They think that they now know the length of the weapon (it extends from their hand to the end of the chain). They should know what directions the chain can travel. But if you can put a ball of solid ice in the way, you can half the length of the chain, causing it to whip around and strike the opponent right in the hand they used to grab the sash.
This would also be very effective for diverting opponents off balance. This is both physically adjusting them off balance like a Tai Chi or Akido practicioner would, and simply making a slipery surface under their feet.
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I am assuming the mage attracts moisture from a large area around him, bot air, ground and potentialy a little from plants and animals nearby or this is going to be one bad magic.
Remember the ice bucket challenge? It is a method to simulate the ALS affliction. Just launching a large amount of ice water at an opponent could at the very least give you enough time to pass them by and flee, or give you time to retaliate and stab a knife through their helmet for example. Probably the easiest thing would be to have a mace, as a good hit at an essentially slowed or stunned enemy will at the very least incapacitate anyone on the receiving end even if they wear a helmet.
1 question though: where does the energy go? You could say that the energy extracted lowers the energy needed to draw water from your surroundings.
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Cooling a air requires means reducing its energy, and that energy has to go somewhere. Heating up something else can be a useful attack if it is controlled, or a side-effect if not controlled, or it can be handwaived that energy is used to power the skill, or counter its effects, or is directed deep undeground, into alternative dimension, etc.
Time for Physics: https://home.howstuffworks.com/humidifier1.htm
A cubic meter of air at 100% humidty (and 25C) contains 22 grams of water.
At 20C, it can contain 18grams.
So dropping temp by 5C gets you 4 grams of liquid water per cubic meter, and your example of cooling 100m^2 of air by 10C gives you 800grams of liquid water (less than a kilogram). Turning it into ice will require sucking more energy out of it. I do not know enough physics to say how much, but I will assume 400 grams of ice, i.e. about a pound.
Simple combat use of 400g of ice is to drop it onto enemy from some height. If you have control, you can form the ice in some vulnerable location, e.g. over face to interrupt breathing and vision, or render their gear useless.
PS Freezing eyeballs like @Gene suggested is an excellent strategy if it is possible. Also freezing fingers. Do not have to completely freeze either, I bet a drop in temperature will hurt enough.
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up vote
5
down vote
Cooling a air requires means reducing its energy, and that energy has to go somewhere. Heating up something else can be a useful attack if it is controlled, or a side-effect if not controlled, or it can be handwaived that energy is used to power the skill, or counter its effects, or is directed deep undeground, into alternative dimension, etc.
Time for Physics: https://home.howstuffworks.com/humidifier1.htm
A cubic meter of air at 100% humidty (and 25C) contains 22 grams of water.
At 20C, it can contain 18grams.
So dropping temp by 5C gets you 4 grams of liquid water per cubic meter, and your example of cooling 100m^2 of air by 10C gives you 800grams of liquid water (less than a kilogram). Turning it into ice will require sucking more energy out of it. I do not know enough physics to say how much, but I will assume 400 grams of ice, i.e. about a pound.
Simple combat use of 400g of ice is to drop it onto enemy from some height. If you have control, you can form the ice in some vulnerable location, e.g. over face to interrupt breathing and vision, or render their gear useless.
PS Freezing eyeballs like @Gene suggested is an excellent strategy if it is possible. Also freezing fingers. Do not have to completely freeze either, I bet a drop in temperature will hurt enough.
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up vote
5
down vote
up vote
5
down vote
Cooling a air requires means reducing its energy, and that energy has to go somewhere. Heating up something else can be a useful attack if it is controlled, or a side-effect if not controlled, or it can be handwaived that energy is used to power the skill, or counter its effects, or is directed deep undeground, into alternative dimension, etc.
Time for Physics: https://home.howstuffworks.com/humidifier1.htm
A cubic meter of air at 100% humidty (and 25C) contains 22 grams of water.
At 20C, it can contain 18grams.
So dropping temp by 5C gets you 4 grams of liquid water per cubic meter, and your example of cooling 100m^2 of air by 10C gives you 800grams of liquid water (less than a kilogram). Turning it into ice will require sucking more energy out of it. I do not know enough physics to say how much, but I will assume 400 grams of ice, i.e. about a pound.
Simple combat use of 400g of ice is to drop it onto enemy from some height. If you have control, you can form the ice in some vulnerable location, e.g. over face to interrupt breathing and vision, or render their gear useless.
PS Freezing eyeballs like @Gene suggested is an excellent strategy if it is possible. Also freezing fingers. Do not have to completely freeze either, I bet a drop in temperature will hurt enough.
Cooling a air requires means reducing its energy, and that energy has to go somewhere. Heating up something else can be a useful attack if it is controlled, or a side-effect if not controlled, or it can be handwaived that energy is used to power the skill, or counter its effects, or is directed deep undeground, into alternative dimension, etc.
Time for Physics: https://home.howstuffworks.com/humidifier1.htm
A cubic meter of air at 100% humidty (and 25C) contains 22 grams of water.
At 20C, it can contain 18grams.
So dropping temp by 5C gets you 4 grams of liquid water per cubic meter, and your example of cooling 100m^2 of air by 10C gives you 800grams of liquid water (less than a kilogram). Turning it into ice will require sucking more energy out of it. I do not know enough physics to say how much, but I will assume 400 grams of ice, i.e. about a pound.
Simple combat use of 400g of ice is to drop it onto enemy from some height. If you have control, you can form the ice in some vulnerable location, e.g. over face to interrupt breathing and vision, or render their gear useless.
PS Freezing eyeballs like @Gene suggested is an excellent strategy if it is possible. Also freezing fingers. Do not have to completely freeze either, I bet a drop in temperature will hurt enough.
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Combat styles can't be defined simply. They involve thousands of tiny features coming together. However, what you describe does seem to be sufficient to create weapons out of thin air and to direct them.
What you probably want to train in is a rope-like weapon, such as a metor hammer or dart or chain whip. Here's a video of what can be done with one by a mere mortal.
Now one of the major limits of the chain whip class of weapons is that you have a very limited set of things you can do to the weapon. The masters spend a lot of time honing these so that they can increase and decrease the length of the chain by wrapping it around their body. Your ice master would have one additional capability: the ability to slow it down and guide it. By summoning mass in front of the weapon (in the form of snowflakes?) you can change its energy and momentum in ways that normal masters of these weapons cannot. Thus, in a fight, nobody will be prepared for what you can do.
For example, an opponent might grab the chain. They think that they now know the length of the weapon (it extends from their hand to the end of the chain). They should know what directions the chain can travel. But if you can put a ball of solid ice in the way, you can half the length of the chain, causing it to whip around and strike the opponent right in the hand they used to grab the sash.
This would also be very effective for diverting opponents off balance. This is both physically adjusting them off balance like a Tai Chi or Akido practicioner would, and simply making a slipery surface under their feet.
add a comment |Â
up vote
4
down vote
Combat styles can't be defined simply. They involve thousands of tiny features coming together. However, what you describe does seem to be sufficient to create weapons out of thin air and to direct them.
What you probably want to train in is a rope-like weapon, such as a metor hammer or dart or chain whip. Here's a video of what can be done with one by a mere mortal.
Now one of the major limits of the chain whip class of weapons is that you have a very limited set of things you can do to the weapon. The masters spend a lot of time honing these so that they can increase and decrease the length of the chain by wrapping it around their body. Your ice master would have one additional capability: the ability to slow it down and guide it. By summoning mass in front of the weapon (in the form of snowflakes?) you can change its energy and momentum in ways that normal masters of these weapons cannot. Thus, in a fight, nobody will be prepared for what you can do.
For example, an opponent might grab the chain. They think that they now know the length of the weapon (it extends from their hand to the end of the chain). They should know what directions the chain can travel. But if you can put a ball of solid ice in the way, you can half the length of the chain, causing it to whip around and strike the opponent right in the hand they used to grab the sash.
This would also be very effective for diverting opponents off balance. This is both physically adjusting them off balance like a Tai Chi or Akido practicioner would, and simply making a slipery surface under their feet.
add a comment |Â
up vote
4
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up vote
4
down vote
Combat styles can't be defined simply. They involve thousands of tiny features coming together. However, what you describe does seem to be sufficient to create weapons out of thin air and to direct them.
What you probably want to train in is a rope-like weapon, such as a metor hammer or dart or chain whip. Here's a video of what can be done with one by a mere mortal.
Now one of the major limits of the chain whip class of weapons is that you have a very limited set of things you can do to the weapon. The masters spend a lot of time honing these so that they can increase and decrease the length of the chain by wrapping it around their body. Your ice master would have one additional capability: the ability to slow it down and guide it. By summoning mass in front of the weapon (in the form of snowflakes?) you can change its energy and momentum in ways that normal masters of these weapons cannot. Thus, in a fight, nobody will be prepared for what you can do.
For example, an opponent might grab the chain. They think that they now know the length of the weapon (it extends from their hand to the end of the chain). They should know what directions the chain can travel. But if you can put a ball of solid ice in the way, you can half the length of the chain, causing it to whip around and strike the opponent right in the hand they used to grab the sash.
This would also be very effective for diverting opponents off balance. This is both physically adjusting them off balance like a Tai Chi or Akido practicioner would, and simply making a slipery surface under their feet.
Combat styles can't be defined simply. They involve thousands of tiny features coming together. However, what you describe does seem to be sufficient to create weapons out of thin air and to direct them.
What you probably want to train in is a rope-like weapon, such as a metor hammer or dart or chain whip. Here's a video of what can be done with one by a mere mortal.
Now one of the major limits of the chain whip class of weapons is that you have a very limited set of things you can do to the weapon. The masters spend a lot of time honing these so that they can increase and decrease the length of the chain by wrapping it around their body. Your ice master would have one additional capability: the ability to slow it down and guide it. By summoning mass in front of the weapon (in the form of snowflakes?) you can change its energy and momentum in ways that normal masters of these weapons cannot. Thus, in a fight, nobody will be prepared for what you can do.
For example, an opponent might grab the chain. They think that they now know the length of the weapon (it extends from their hand to the end of the chain). They should know what directions the chain can travel. But if you can put a ball of solid ice in the way, you can half the length of the chain, causing it to whip around and strike the opponent right in the hand they used to grab the sash.
This would also be very effective for diverting opponents off balance. This is both physically adjusting them off balance like a Tai Chi or Akido practicioner would, and simply making a slipery surface under their feet.
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I am assuming the mage attracts moisture from a large area around him, bot air, ground and potentialy a little from plants and animals nearby or this is going to be one bad magic.
Remember the ice bucket challenge? It is a method to simulate the ALS affliction. Just launching a large amount of ice water at an opponent could at the very least give you enough time to pass them by and flee, or give you time to retaliate and stab a knife through their helmet for example. Probably the easiest thing would be to have a mace, as a good hit at an essentially slowed or stunned enemy will at the very least incapacitate anyone on the receiving end even if they wear a helmet.
1 question though: where does the energy go? You could say that the energy extracted lowers the energy needed to draw water from your surroundings.
add a comment |Â
up vote
4
down vote
I am assuming the mage attracts moisture from a large area around him, bot air, ground and potentialy a little from plants and animals nearby or this is going to be one bad magic.
Remember the ice bucket challenge? It is a method to simulate the ALS affliction. Just launching a large amount of ice water at an opponent could at the very least give you enough time to pass them by and flee, or give you time to retaliate and stab a knife through their helmet for example. Probably the easiest thing would be to have a mace, as a good hit at an essentially slowed or stunned enemy will at the very least incapacitate anyone on the receiving end even if they wear a helmet.
1 question though: where does the energy go? You could say that the energy extracted lowers the energy needed to draw water from your surroundings.
add a comment |Â
up vote
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up vote
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I am assuming the mage attracts moisture from a large area around him, bot air, ground and potentialy a little from plants and animals nearby or this is going to be one bad magic.
Remember the ice bucket challenge? It is a method to simulate the ALS affliction. Just launching a large amount of ice water at an opponent could at the very least give you enough time to pass them by and flee, or give you time to retaliate and stab a knife through their helmet for example. Probably the easiest thing would be to have a mace, as a good hit at an essentially slowed or stunned enemy will at the very least incapacitate anyone on the receiving end even if they wear a helmet.
1 question though: where does the energy go? You could say that the energy extracted lowers the energy needed to draw water from your surroundings.
I am assuming the mage attracts moisture from a large area around him, bot air, ground and potentialy a little from plants and animals nearby or this is going to be one bad magic.
Remember the ice bucket challenge? It is a method to simulate the ALS affliction. Just launching a large amount of ice water at an opponent could at the very least give you enough time to pass them by and flee, or give you time to retaliate and stab a knife through their helmet for example. Probably the easiest thing would be to have a mace, as a good hit at an essentially slowed or stunned enemy will at the very least incapacitate anyone on the receiving end even if they wear a helmet.
1 question though: where does the energy go? You could say that the energy extracted lowers the energy needed to draw water from your surroundings.
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By "turn air into solid ice" do you mean freezing the water in the air, or freezing the gases that make up air? In other words, is the ice block around 0°C or -220°C? Also, does it happen instantly?
â Giter
52 mins ago
2
Can the mage use his particle speed manipulation to turn air into very rapid solid projectiles?
â Alexander
51 mins ago
1
if air pressure can used that way then yes.
â Eries
49 mins ago
2
Maybe you are unaware of how many "air particles" there are. A brain can't do that, I know from personal experience. Calculating 100 things at once is already, well, the timescale you need before they hit each other.... They are also small enough to fall into the realm of quantum physics. I'm just giving you a word of caution: it's sometimes best to not offer scientific explanations for magic. You explain one aspect barely but ignore others, e.g. how you then manage to slow them. Why? It might be relevant for the story, otherwise, well, good luck
â Raditz_35
47 mins ago
2
Can you cool your opponent directly, even if it's just the surface parts that you can see? Destroying eyeballs wouldn't require cooling much volume and would be very effective in most combat situations.
â Gene
38 mins ago