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How are post apocalyptic police/paramilitary force funded?
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World has had a disaster that has caused a global breakdown of society, along the lines of Fallout or The Walking Dead (90% of people have died or been turned into flesh-hungry zombies.) In the five years following this society-changing event a number of settlements, camps and towns have appeared. These settlements are mostly self sufficient but are often threatened by bandits, raiders and hordes of infected that roam the land. One group have decided to solve this problem by having a paramilitary force that will protect settlements and towns against these threats. This group is not self sufficient and has to scavenge what they can without infringing on settlements.
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How can this paramilitary police force fund its supplies from settlements without using blackmail or extortion?
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World has had a disaster that has caused a global breakdown of society, along the lines of Fallout or The Walking Dead (90% of people have died or been turned into flesh-hungry zombies.) In the five years following this society-changing event a number of settlements, camps and towns have appeared. These settlements are mostly self sufficient but are often threatened by bandits, raiders and hordes of infected that roam the land. One group have decided to solve this problem by having a paramilitary force that will protect settlements and towns against these threats. This group is not self sufficient and has to scavenge what they can without infringing on settlements.
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How can this paramilitary police force fund its supplies from settlements without using blackmail or extortion?
reality-check society post-apocalypse zombies law-enforcement
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"without infringing on settlements." - Why not to go the traditional way: taxes to keep your guards running? Also "funded" is a term that does not really apply to postapocalyptic setting. It assumes that there is food and other supplies available to buy if you have funds. Postapo is generally extreme scarcity and not a fluid market, so this simply does not apply.
– Mołot
3 hours ago
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Isn't this exactly how the feudal society began? The Western Roman Empire fell, and the remaining people lived in small isolated communities. Some strongmen decided to offer protection in exchange for food, service and fealty. One or two centuries later, their descendants were known as feudal lords.
– AlexP
2 hours ago
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"Along the lines of Fallout", police will be funded with scavenged bottle caps.
– Renan
2 hours ago
in most post-apocalyptic scenarios, humans are organized in units no larger than tribes or confederated villages. there is the basis - a tax. or simply warlords staffed with mercs. depends on the scale.
– theRiley
1 hour ago
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That entirely depends on your particular take on what constitutes the post-apocalyptic landscape of your setting; by which I mean it's a story element that you have to craft and justify not an issue on which we can give concrete, universally applicable, answers.
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World has had a disaster that has caused a global breakdown of society, along the lines of Fallout or The Walking Dead (90% of people have died or been turned into flesh-hungry zombies.) In the five years following this society-changing event a number of settlements, camps and towns have appeared. These settlements are mostly self sufficient but are often threatened by bandits, raiders and hordes of infected that roam the land. One group have decided to solve this problem by having a paramilitary force that will protect settlements and towns against these threats. This group is not self sufficient and has to scavenge what they can without infringing on settlements.
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How can this paramilitary police force fund its supplies from settlements without using blackmail or extortion?
reality-check society post-apocalypse zombies law-enforcement
asked 3 hours ago
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Background
World has had a disaster that has caused a global breakdown of society, along the lines of Fallout or The Walking Dead (90% of people have died or been turned into flesh-hungry zombies.) In the five years following this society-changing event a number of settlements, camps and towns have appeared. These settlements are mostly self sufficient but are often threatened by bandits, raiders and hordes of infected that roam the land. One group have decided to solve this problem by having a paramilitary force that will protect settlements and towns against these threats. This group is not self sufficient and has to scavenge what they can without infringing on settlements.
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How can this paramilitary police force fund its supplies from settlements without using blackmail or extortion?
reality-check society post-apocalypse zombies law-enforcement
reality-check society post-apocalypse zombies law-enforcement
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"without infringing on settlements." - Why not to go the traditional way: taxes to keep your guards running? Also "funded" is a term that does not really apply to postapocalyptic setting. It assumes that there is food and other supplies available to buy if you have funds. Postapo is generally extreme scarcity and not a fluid market, so this simply does not apply.
– Mołot
3 hours ago
3
Isn't this exactly how the feudal society began? The Western Roman Empire fell, and the remaining people lived in small isolated communities. Some strongmen decided to offer protection in exchange for food, service and fealty. One or two centuries later, their descendants were known as feudal lords.
– AlexP
2 hours ago
1
"Along the lines of Fallout", police will be funded with scavenged bottle caps.
– Renan
2 hours ago
in most post-apocalyptic scenarios, humans are organized in units no larger than tribes or confederated villages. there is the basis - a tax. or simply warlords staffed with mercs. depends on the scale.
– theRiley
1 hour ago
1
That entirely depends on your particular take on what constitutes the post-apocalyptic landscape of your setting; by which I mean it's a story element that you have to craft and justify not an issue on which we can give concrete, universally applicable, answers.
– Ash
1 hour ago
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"without infringing on settlements." - Why not to go the traditional way: taxes to keep your guards running? Also "funded" is a term that does not really apply to postapocalyptic setting. It assumes that there is food and other supplies available to buy if you have funds. Postapo is generally extreme scarcity and not a fluid market, so this simply does not apply.
– Mołot
3 hours ago
3
Isn't this exactly how the feudal society began? The Western Roman Empire fell, and the remaining people lived in small isolated communities. Some strongmen decided to offer protection in exchange for food, service and fealty. One or two centuries later, their descendants were known as feudal lords.
– AlexP
2 hours ago
1
"Along the lines of Fallout", police will be funded with scavenged bottle caps.
– Renan
2 hours ago
in most post-apocalyptic scenarios, humans are organized in units no larger than tribes or confederated villages. there is the basis - a tax. or simply warlords staffed with mercs. depends on the scale.
– theRiley
1 hour ago
1
That entirely depends on your particular take on what constitutes the post-apocalyptic landscape of your setting; by which I mean it's a story element that you have to craft and justify not an issue on which we can give concrete, universally applicable, answers.
– Ash
1 hour ago
1
1
"without infringing on settlements." - Why not to go the traditional way: taxes to keep your guards running? Also "funded" is a term that does not really apply to postapocalyptic setting. It assumes that there is food and other supplies available to buy if you have funds. Postapo is generally extreme scarcity and not a fluid market, so this simply does not apply.
– Mołot
3 hours ago
"without infringing on settlements." - Why not to go the traditional way: taxes to keep your guards running? Also "funded" is a term that does not really apply to postapocalyptic setting. It assumes that there is food and other supplies available to buy if you have funds. Postapo is generally extreme scarcity and not a fluid market, so this simply does not apply.
– Mołot
3 hours ago
3
3
Isn't this exactly how the feudal society began? The Western Roman Empire fell, and the remaining people lived in small isolated communities. Some strongmen decided to offer protection in exchange for food, service and fealty. One or two centuries later, their descendants were known as feudal lords.
– AlexP
2 hours ago
Isn't this exactly how the feudal society began? The Western Roman Empire fell, and the remaining people lived in small isolated communities. Some strongmen decided to offer protection in exchange for food, service and fealty. One or two centuries later, their descendants were known as feudal lords.
– AlexP
2 hours ago
1
1
"Along the lines of Fallout", police will be funded with scavenged bottle caps.
– Renan
2 hours ago
"Along the lines of Fallout", police will be funded with scavenged bottle caps.
– Renan
2 hours ago
in most post-apocalyptic scenarios, humans are organized in units no larger than tribes or confederated villages. there is the basis - a tax. or simply warlords staffed with mercs. depends on the scale.
– theRiley
1 hour ago
in most post-apocalyptic scenarios, humans are organized in units no larger than tribes or confederated villages. there is the basis - a tax. or simply warlords staffed with mercs. depends on the scale.
– theRiley
1 hour ago
1
1
That entirely depends on your particular take on what constitutes the post-apocalyptic landscape of your setting; by which I mean it's a story element that you have to craft and justify not an issue on which we can give concrete, universally applicable, answers.
– Ash
1 hour ago
That entirely depends on your particular take on what constitutes the post-apocalyptic landscape of your setting; by which I mean it's a story element that you have to craft and justify not an issue on which we can give concrete, universally applicable, answers.
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It depends on what you call "blackmail"
The simple answer would be that the settlements would be happy to share some of their resources in exchange for protection. If they're not willing to share, they wouldn't be protected. I would not consider this blackmail any more than I consider a security guard's wages blackmail.
It would be blackmail if the paramilitary force in question would not leave any choice to the settlements, ie: the main protection would be from the paramilitary force itself. That would be extortion (and standard mafia practice)
answered 2 hours ago
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That would be extortion (and standard mafia practice)- A more common example is standard government practice. It's basically the same. ;)
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Imagine a civilised world, where every individual pays protection money to the 'local' gang (local in this case meaning a single gang's territory can cover hundreds or even thousands of miles) on threat of kidnapping or theft of property. In exchange the gang provides protection from other gangs and even other individuals within their protection racket who break whatever rules the gang has set in place.
This may sound far-fetched, but if you squint hard enough, this describes every government. You pay taxes on threat of arrest or fines, and in exchange the government provides law enforcement and military force in your defence.
Thus all you need is for each town/village to negotiate a fee with your paramilitary group. In exchange for supplies, your paramilitary will provide protection. The amount of supplies offered will naturally affect the scale of protection provided. Just be careful to avoid having your paramilitary raid towns outside of their purview and to actually protect those with in it, so as to avoid those accusations of extortion.
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It depends on what you call "blackmail"
The simple answer would be that the settlements would be happy to share some of their resources in exchange for protection. If they're not willing to share, they wouldn't be protected. I would not consider this blackmail any more than I consider a security guard's wages blackmail.
It would be blackmail if the paramilitary force in question would not leave any choice to the settlements, ie: the main protection would be from the paramilitary force itself. That would be extortion (and standard mafia practice)
answered 2 hours ago
Douwe
1,38515
That would be extortion (and standard mafia practice)- A more common example is standard government practice. It's basically the same. ;)
– Battle
13 mins ago
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It depends on what you call "blackmail"
The simple answer would be that the settlements would be happy to share some of their resources in exchange for protection. If they're not willing to share, they wouldn't be protected. I would not consider this blackmail any more than I consider a security guard's wages blackmail.
It would be blackmail if the paramilitary force in question would not leave any choice to the settlements, ie: the main protection would be from the paramilitary force itself. That would be extortion (and standard mafia practice)
answered 2 hours ago
Douwe
1,38515
That would be extortion (and standard mafia practice)- A more common example is standard government practice. It's basically the same. ;)
– Battle
13 mins ago
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up vote
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It depends on what you call "blackmail"
The simple answer would be that the settlements would be happy to share some of their resources in exchange for protection. If they're not willing to share, they wouldn't be protected. I would not consider this blackmail any more than I consider a security guard's wages blackmail.
It would be blackmail if the paramilitary force in question would not leave any choice to the settlements, ie: the main protection would be from the paramilitary force itself. That would be extortion (and standard mafia practice)
answered 2 hours ago
Douwe
1,38515
It depends on what you call "blackmail"
The simple answer would be that the settlements would be happy to share some of their resources in exchange for protection. If they're not willing to share, they wouldn't be protected. I would not consider this blackmail any more than I consider a security guard's wages blackmail.
It would be blackmail if the paramilitary force in question would not leave any choice to the settlements, ie: the main protection would be from the paramilitary force itself. That would be extortion (and standard mafia practice)
answered 2 hours ago
Douwe
1,38515
answered 2 hours ago
Douwe
1,38515
answered 2 hours ago
Douwe
1,38515
answered 2 hours ago
Douwe
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1,38515
That would be extortion (and standard mafia practice)- A more common example is standard government practice. It's basically the same. ;)
– Battle
13 mins ago
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That would be extortion (and standard mafia practice)- A more common example is standard government practice. It's basically the same. ;)
– Battle
13 mins ago
That would be extortion (and standard mafia practice) - A more common example is standard government practice. It's basically the same. ;)– Battle
13 mins ago
That would be extortion (and standard mafia practice) - A more common example is standard government practice. It's basically the same. ;)– Battle
13 mins ago
add a comment |Â
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Imagine a civilised world, where every individual pays protection money to the 'local' gang (local in this case meaning a single gang's territory can cover hundreds or even thousands of miles) on threat of kidnapping or theft of property. In exchange the gang provides protection from other gangs and even other individuals within their protection racket who break whatever rules the gang has set in place.
This may sound far-fetched, but if you squint hard enough, this describes every government. You pay taxes on threat of arrest or fines, and in exchange the government provides law enforcement and military force in your defence.
Thus all you need is for each town/village to negotiate a fee with your paramilitary group. In exchange for supplies, your paramilitary will provide protection. The amount of supplies offered will naturally affect the scale of protection provided. Just be careful to avoid having your paramilitary raid towns outside of their purview and to actually protect those with in it, so as to avoid those accusations of extortion.
answered 2 hours ago
Kyyshak
1,321114
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up vote
2
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Imagine a civilised world, where every individual pays protection money to the 'local' gang (local in this case meaning a single gang's territory can cover hundreds or even thousands of miles) on threat of kidnapping or theft of property. In exchange the gang provides protection from other gangs and even other individuals within their protection racket who break whatever rules the gang has set in place.
This may sound far-fetched, but if you squint hard enough, this describes every government. You pay taxes on threat of arrest or fines, and in exchange the government provides law enforcement and military force in your defence.
Thus all you need is for each town/village to negotiate a fee with your paramilitary group. In exchange for supplies, your paramilitary will provide protection. The amount of supplies offered will naturally affect the scale of protection provided. Just be careful to avoid having your paramilitary raid towns outside of their purview and to actually protect those with in it, so as to avoid those accusations of extortion.
answered 2 hours ago
Kyyshak
1,321114
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up vote
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up vote
2
down vote
Imagine a civilised world, where every individual pays protection money to the 'local' gang (local in this case meaning a single gang's territory can cover hundreds or even thousands of miles) on threat of kidnapping or theft of property. In exchange the gang provides protection from other gangs and even other individuals within their protection racket who break whatever rules the gang has set in place.
This may sound far-fetched, but if you squint hard enough, this describes every government. You pay taxes on threat of arrest or fines, and in exchange the government provides law enforcement and military force in your defence.
Thus all you need is for each town/village to negotiate a fee with your paramilitary group. In exchange for supplies, your paramilitary will provide protection. The amount of supplies offered will naturally affect the scale of protection provided. Just be careful to avoid having your paramilitary raid towns outside of their purview and to actually protect those with in it, so as to avoid those accusations of extortion.
answered 2 hours ago
Kyyshak
1,321114
Imagine a civilised world, where every individual pays protection money to the 'local' gang (local in this case meaning a single gang's territory can cover hundreds or even thousands of miles) on threat of kidnapping or theft of property. In exchange the gang provides protection from other gangs and even other individuals within their protection racket who break whatever rules the gang has set in place.
This may sound far-fetched, but if you squint hard enough, this describes every government. You pay taxes on threat of arrest or fines, and in exchange the government provides law enforcement and military force in your defence.
Thus all you need is for each town/village to negotiate a fee with your paramilitary group. In exchange for supplies, your paramilitary will provide protection. The amount of supplies offered will naturally affect the scale of protection provided. Just be careful to avoid having your paramilitary raid towns outside of their purview and to actually protect those with in it, so as to avoid those accusations of extortion.
answered 2 hours ago
Kyyshak
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answered 2 hours ago
Kyyshak
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answered 2 hours ago
Kyyshak
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answered 2 hours ago
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"without infringing on settlements." - Why not to go the traditional way: taxes to keep your guards running? Also "funded" is a term that does not really apply to postapocalyptic setting. It assumes that there is food and other supplies available to buy if you have funds. Postapo is generally extreme scarcity and not a fluid market, so this simply does not apply.
– Mołot
3 hours ago
3
Isn't this exactly how the feudal society began? The Western Roman Empire fell, and the remaining people lived in small isolated communities. Some strongmen decided to offer protection in exchange for food, service and fealty. One or two centuries later, their descendants were known as feudal lords.
– AlexP
2 hours ago
1
"Along the lines of Fallout", police will be funded with scavenged bottle caps.
– Renan
2 hours ago
in most post-apocalyptic scenarios, humans are organized in units no larger than tribes or confederated villages. there is the basis - a tax. or simply warlords staffed with mercs. depends on the scale.
– theRiley
1 hour ago
1
That entirely depends on your particular take on what constitutes the post-apocalyptic landscape of your setting; by which I mean it's a story element that you have to craft and justify not an issue on which we can give concrete, universally applicable, answers.
– Ash
1 hour ago