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I was interviewed for a software development job. A position which calls for expert level skill.



the hiring process was long and difficult , the final technical interview lasted more than a 4 hours.
after this long interview, I was asked to wait for a few minutes and meet the CTO, he surprised me with the salary expectation question. After the long day I was tired & hungry so I asked what was the budget for this position. The answer he gave me was such a low ball I should have realized immediately this is a negotiation trick, But as I said I was out of focus and I blurred a number lower than I should have.



On my way home they emailed me with request for references, once they spoke with them. they sent me an offer a few thousands / year less than what I asked.



Afer pondering the issue I emailed back , thanked them for their offer and asked politely for the original target (which is in line with what they pay in this company from what I know). I made no ultimatum just stated the gap is small and it would be nice if they can up their offer a bit.



that was yesterday morning. I got no response from them. I am at a complete loss of what to do now. Given their quick response time since I began this process (hours) waiting so long is strange.



I would like to work there, but I think that calling them asking for a response at this point, might not work to my advantage.



what are your thoughts ?







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    Why are you so impatient? It is not child's play when money is involved. The company doesn't have a big sack of cash. It takes time to finalize these things. I would have expected an "expert level" software developer to wait at least a week. Sigh, experts these days!
    – Masked Man♦
    Apr 9 '15 at 16:57






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    It is also a negotiation tactic, the ball is in their court, just wait and see what they say, don't ask again...
    – daaxix
    Apr 10 '15 at 6:14






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    @Blue2Red: How did the story end? Did they reply back to you?
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I was interviewed for a software development job. A position which calls for expert level skill.



the hiring process was long and difficult , the final technical interview lasted more than a 4 hours.
after this long interview, I was asked to wait for a few minutes and meet the CTO, he surprised me with the salary expectation question. After the long day I was tired & hungry so I asked what was the budget for this position. The answer he gave me was such a low ball I should have realized immediately this is a negotiation trick, But as I said I was out of focus and I blurred a number lower than I should have.



On my way home they emailed me with request for references, once they spoke with them. they sent me an offer a few thousands / year less than what I asked.



Afer pondering the issue I emailed back , thanked them for their offer and asked politely for the original target (which is in line with what they pay in this company from what I know). I made no ultimatum just stated the gap is small and it would be nice if they can up their offer a bit.



that was yesterday morning. I got no response from them. I am at a complete loss of what to do now. Given their quick response time since I began this process (hours) waiting so long is strange.



I would like to work there, but I think that calling them asking for a response at this point, might not work to my advantage.



what are your thoughts ?







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  • 4




    Why are you so impatient? It is not child's play when money is involved. The company doesn't have a big sack of cash. It takes time to finalize these things. I would have expected an "expert level" software developer to wait at least a week. Sigh, experts these days!
    – Masked Man♦
    Apr 9 '15 at 16:57






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    It is also a negotiation tactic, the ball is in their court, just wait and see what they say, don't ask again...
    – daaxix
    Apr 10 '15 at 6:14






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    @Blue2Red: How did the story end? Did they reply back to you?
    – DavideChicco.it
    Dec 6 '16 at 21:42












up vote
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up vote
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I was interviewed for a software development job. A position which calls for expert level skill.



the hiring process was long and difficult , the final technical interview lasted more than a 4 hours.
after this long interview, I was asked to wait for a few minutes and meet the CTO, he surprised me with the salary expectation question. After the long day I was tired & hungry so I asked what was the budget for this position. The answer he gave me was such a low ball I should have realized immediately this is a negotiation trick, But as I said I was out of focus and I blurred a number lower than I should have.



On my way home they emailed me with request for references, once they spoke with them. they sent me an offer a few thousands / year less than what I asked.



Afer pondering the issue I emailed back , thanked them for their offer and asked politely for the original target (which is in line with what they pay in this company from what I know). I made no ultimatum just stated the gap is small and it would be nice if they can up their offer a bit.



that was yesterday morning. I got no response from them. I am at a complete loss of what to do now. Given their quick response time since I began this process (hours) waiting so long is strange.



I would like to work there, but I think that calling them asking for a response at this point, might not work to my advantage.



what are your thoughts ?







share|improve this question












I was interviewed for a software development job. A position which calls for expert level skill.



the hiring process was long and difficult , the final technical interview lasted more than a 4 hours.
after this long interview, I was asked to wait for a few minutes and meet the CTO, he surprised me with the salary expectation question. After the long day I was tired & hungry so I asked what was the budget for this position. The answer he gave me was such a low ball I should have realized immediately this is a negotiation trick, But as I said I was out of focus and I blurred a number lower than I should have.



On my way home they emailed me with request for references, once they spoke with them. they sent me an offer a few thousands / year less than what I asked.



Afer pondering the issue I emailed back , thanked them for their offer and asked politely for the original target (which is in line with what they pay in this company from what I know). I made no ultimatum just stated the gap is small and it would be nice if they can up their offer a bit.



that was yesterday morning. I got no response from them. I am at a complete loss of what to do now. Given their quick response time since I began this process (hours) waiting so long is strange.



I would like to work there, but I think that calling them asking for a response at this point, might not work to my advantage.



what are your thoughts ?









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    Why are you so impatient? It is not child's play when money is involved. The company doesn't have a big sack of cash. It takes time to finalize these things. I would have expected an "expert level" software developer to wait at least a week. Sigh, experts these days!
    – Masked Man♦
    Apr 9 '15 at 16:57






  • 1




    It is also a negotiation tactic, the ball is in their court, just wait and see what they say, don't ask again...
    – daaxix
    Apr 10 '15 at 6:14






  • 1




    @Blue2Red: How did the story end? Did they reply back to you?
    – DavideChicco.it
    Dec 6 '16 at 21:42












  • 4




    Why are you so impatient? It is not child's play when money is involved. The company doesn't have a big sack of cash. It takes time to finalize these things. I would have expected an "expert level" software developer to wait at least a week. Sigh, experts these days!
    – Masked Man♦
    Apr 9 '15 at 16:57






  • 1




    It is also a negotiation tactic, the ball is in their court, just wait and see what they say, don't ask again...
    – daaxix
    Apr 10 '15 at 6:14






  • 1




    @Blue2Red: How did the story end? Did they reply back to you?
    – DavideChicco.it
    Dec 6 '16 at 21:42







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Why are you so impatient? It is not child's play when money is involved. The company doesn't have a big sack of cash. It takes time to finalize these things. I would have expected an "expert level" software developer to wait at least a week. Sigh, experts these days!
– Masked Man♦
Apr 9 '15 at 16:57




Why are you so impatient? It is not child's play when money is involved. The company doesn't have a big sack of cash. It takes time to finalize these things. I would have expected an "expert level" software developer to wait at least a week. Sigh, experts these days!
– Masked Man♦
Apr 9 '15 at 16:57




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It is also a negotiation tactic, the ball is in their court, just wait and see what they say, don't ask again...
– daaxix
Apr 10 '15 at 6:14




It is also a negotiation tactic, the ball is in their court, just wait and see what they say, don't ask again...
– daaxix
Apr 10 '15 at 6:14




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@Blue2Red: How did the story end? Did they reply back to you?
– DavideChicco.it
Dec 6 '16 at 21:42




@Blue2Red: How did the story end? Did they reply back to you?
– DavideChicco.it
Dec 6 '16 at 21:42










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You might have put yourself at a disadvantage by saying "it would be nice if you upped your offer". I can't be sure, because I don't know the exact contents of what your wrote, but the company might be waiting on something more definitive and actionable from you. It sounds to me like you didn't clearly reject the offer, so there might be some confusion about whether you're still thinking about it. The other possibility is that someone is working to get the higher rate approved and it takes some time because of internal pressures that you aren't aware of.



I would write a quick note to just touch base and let them know that you're still very interested in the position and that you're available if they need any more information from you. I wouldn't ask for a response unless you have a pressing deadline. Often just a follow-up to let them know that you're still interested can get things rolling again.






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  • I re-read my response, it is not apologetic and has a clear actionable item (along the line of up you offer and lets move on) . I like your idea of expressing interest in the position without referring explicitly to the offer, thanks.
    –  Blue2Red
    Apr 9 '15 at 17:22










  • @Blue2Red Thanks for clearing that up. Thinking about it a bit more, you might want to write a typical "thanks for the interview " type follow up even though they already extended an offer. Enjoyed meeting you, impressed with the company, etc. If you had interviewed with a more informal company, the formality of the thank you might come off a little weird, but it sounds like the interview process was quite extensive and formal.
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that was yesterday morning. I got no response from them.




Woah. Chill out. You asked them a question which likely requires both:



  • Talking to HR

  • Talking to the manager's manager

This will not be immediate and might take a few days (or more). HR has a lot more concerns than just, "will Blue2Red take this job?" Especially if your counter was outside the money that the hiring manager had to "easily" budget



Keep in mind that while this is a huge priority and matter of urgency for you, it's not the most important thing that the hiring manager and HR will deal with today and yesterday. For all you know they had dozens of critical emails to deal with.



There are just plenty of more important things to most managers than some employee they are trying to hire... who might not even accept the offer.



If you don't hear back by maybe next Wednesday, send a followup that says "Hey, I haven't heard anything - let me know if you need anything else from me!"






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    It's not clear from your question how did you respond to the low ball offer, that changes the dynamics. If you haven't agreed with the low ball, it's totally ok to ask for more. As long as your request was reasonable, they shouldn't change their mind regarding hiring you. However, if you have agreed then changing your mind doesn't help you really.



    In general, these questions are very standard (maybe except from junior positions at large corporations) and you should prepare for them.



    Not getting a reply for a day is totally fine. Many people receive well over a hundred emails a day and it might take them a while to get back to you. Also, some people can't reply to this immediately (depending on who's the decision maker).



    Anyway, you should wait at least for 2 weeks before pinging them again.






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    • I responded to the low ball with the actual salary I know they pay in this place. as a result I got less than that. I am not impatient for now reason, up until now they kept pushing moving to the next level whenever it was possible, So radio silence for that long is atypical of what I have seen so far.
      –  Blue2Red
      Apr 9 '15 at 17:28











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    You might have put yourself at a disadvantage by saying "it would be nice if you upped your offer". I can't be sure, because I don't know the exact contents of what your wrote, but the company might be waiting on something more definitive and actionable from you. It sounds to me like you didn't clearly reject the offer, so there might be some confusion about whether you're still thinking about it. The other possibility is that someone is working to get the higher rate approved and it takes some time because of internal pressures that you aren't aware of.



    I would write a quick note to just touch base and let them know that you're still very interested in the position and that you're available if they need any more information from you. I wouldn't ask for a response unless you have a pressing deadline. Often just a follow-up to let them know that you're still interested can get things rolling again.






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    • I re-read my response, it is not apologetic and has a clear actionable item (along the line of up you offer and lets move on) . I like your idea of expressing interest in the position without referring explicitly to the offer, thanks.
      –  Blue2Red
      Apr 9 '15 at 17:22










    • @Blue2Red Thanks for clearing that up. Thinking about it a bit more, you might want to write a typical "thanks for the interview " type follow up even though they already extended an offer. Enjoyed meeting you, impressed with the company, etc. If you had interviewed with a more informal company, the formality of the thank you might come off a little weird, but it sounds like the interview process was quite extensive and formal.
      – ColleenV
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    You might have put yourself at a disadvantage by saying "it would be nice if you upped your offer". I can't be sure, because I don't know the exact contents of what your wrote, but the company might be waiting on something more definitive and actionable from you. It sounds to me like you didn't clearly reject the offer, so there might be some confusion about whether you're still thinking about it. The other possibility is that someone is working to get the higher rate approved and it takes some time because of internal pressures that you aren't aware of.



    I would write a quick note to just touch base and let them know that you're still very interested in the position and that you're available if they need any more information from you. I wouldn't ask for a response unless you have a pressing deadline. Often just a follow-up to let them know that you're still interested can get things rolling again.






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    • I re-read my response, it is not apologetic and has a clear actionable item (along the line of up you offer and lets move on) . I like your idea of expressing interest in the position without referring explicitly to the offer, thanks.
      –  Blue2Red
      Apr 9 '15 at 17:22










    • @Blue2Red Thanks for clearing that up. Thinking about it a bit more, you might want to write a typical "thanks for the interview " type follow up even though they already extended an offer. Enjoyed meeting you, impressed with the company, etc. If you had interviewed with a more informal company, the formality of the thank you might come off a little weird, but it sounds like the interview process was quite extensive and formal.
      – ColleenV
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    You might have put yourself at a disadvantage by saying "it would be nice if you upped your offer". I can't be sure, because I don't know the exact contents of what your wrote, but the company might be waiting on something more definitive and actionable from you. It sounds to me like you didn't clearly reject the offer, so there might be some confusion about whether you're still thinking about it. The other possibility is that someone is working to get the higher rate approved and it takes some time because of internal pressures that you aren't aware of.



    I would write a quick note to just touch base and let them know that you're still very interested in the position and that you're available if they need any more information from you. I wouldn't ask for a response unless you have a pressing deadline. Often just a follow-up to let them know that you're still interested can get things rolling again.






    share|improve this answer












    You might have put yourself at a disadvantage by saying "it would be nice if you upped your offer". I can't be sure, because I don't know the exact contents of what your wrote, but the company might be waiting on something more definitive and actionable from you. It sounds to me like you didn't clearly reject the offer, so there might be some confusion about whether you're still thinking about it. The other possibility is that someone is working to get the higher rate approved and it takes some time because of internal pressures that you aren't aware of.



    I would write a quick note to just touch base and let them know that you're still very interested in the position and that you're available if they need any more information from you. I wouldn't ask for a response unless you have a pressing deadline. Often just a follow-up to let them know that you're still interested can get things rolling again.







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    • I re-read my response, it is not apologetic and has a clear actionable item (along the line of up you offer and lets move on) . I like your idea of expressing interest in the position without referring explicitly to the offer, thanks.
      –  Blue2Red
      Apr 9 '15 at 17:22










    • @Blue2Red Thanks for clearing that up. Thinking about it a bit more, you might want to write a typical "thanks for the interview " type follow up even though they already extended an offer. Enjoyed meeting you, impressed with the company, etc. If you had interviewed with a more informal company, the formality of the thank you might come off a little weird, but it sounds like the interview process was quite extensive and formal.
      – ColleenV
      Apr 9 '15 at 17:35
















    • I re-read my response, it is not apologetic and has a clear actionable item (along the line of up you offer and lets move on) . I like your idea of expressing interest in the position without referring explicitly to the offer, thanks.
      –  Blue2Red
      Apr 9 '15 at 17:22










    • @Blue2Red Thanks for clearing that up. Thinking about it a bit more, you might want to write a typical "thanks for the interview " type follow up even though they already extended an offer. Enjoyed meeting you, impressed with the company, etc. If you had interviewed with a more informal company, the formality of the thank you might come off a little weird, but it sounds like the interview process was quite extensive and formal.
      – ColleenV
      Apr 9 '15 at 17:35















    I re-read my response, it is not apologetic and has a clear actionable item (along the line of up you offer and lets move on) . I like your idea of expressing interest in the position without referring explicitly to the offer, thanks.
    –  Blue2Red
    Apr 9 '15 at 17:22




    I re-read my response, it is not apologetic and has a clear actionable item (along the line of up you offer and lets move on) . I like your idea of expressing interest in the position without referring explicitly to the offer, thanks.
    –  Blue2Red
    Apr 9 '15 at 17:22












    @Blue2Red Thanks for clearing that up. Thinking about it a bit more, you might want to write a typical "thanks for the interview " type follow up even though they already extended an offer. Enjoyed meeting you, impressed with the company, etc. If you had interviewed with a more informal company, the formality of the thank you might come off a little weird, but it sounds like the interview process was quite extensive and formal.
    – ColleenV
    Apr 9 '15 at 17:35




    @Blue2Red Thanks for clearing that up. Thinking about it a bit more, you might want to write a typical "thanks for the interview " type follow up even though they already extended an offer. Enjoyed meeting you, impressed with the company, etc. If you had interviewed with a more informal company, the formality of the thank you might come off a little weird, but it sounds like the interview process was quite extensive and formal.
    – ColleenV
    Apr 9 '15 at 17:35












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    that was yesterday morning. I got no response from them.




    Woah. Chill out. You asked them a question which likely requires both:



    • Talking to HR

    • Talking to the manager's manager

    This will not be immediate and might take a few days (or more). HR has a lot more concerns than just, "will Blue2Red take this job?" Especially if your counter was outside the money that the hiring manager had to "easily" budget



    Keep in mind that while this is a huge priority and matter of urgency for you, it's not the most important thing that the hiring manager and HR will deal with today and yesterday. For all you know they had dozens of critical emails to deal with.



    There are just plenty of more important things to most managers than some employee they are trying to hire... who might not even accept the offer.



    If you don't hear back by maybe next Wednesday, send a followup that says "Hey, I haven't heard anything - let me know if you need anything else from me!"






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      that was yesterday morning. I got no response from them.




      Woah. Chill out. You asked them a question which likely requires both:



      • Talking to HR

      • Talking to the manager's manager

      This will not be immediate and might take a few days (or more). HR has a lot more concerns than just, "will Blue2Red take this job?" Especially if your counter was outside the money that the hiring manager had to "easily" budget



      Keep in mind that while this is a huge priority and matter of urgency for you, it's not the most important thing that the hiring manager and HR will deal with today and yesterday. For all you know they had dozens of critical emails to deal with.



      There are just plenty of more important things to most managers than some employee they are trying to hire... who might not even accept the offer.



      If you don't hear back by maybe next Wednesday, send a followup that says "Hey, I haven't heard anything - let me know if you need anything else from me!"






      share|improve this answer






















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        that was yesterday morning. I got no response from them.




        Woah. Chill out. You asked them a question which likely requires both:



        • Talking to HR

        • Talking to the manager's manager

        This will not be immediate and might take a few days (or more). HR has a lot more concerns than just, "will Blue2Red take this job?" Especially if your counter was outside the money that the hiring manager had to "easily" budget



        Keep in mind that while this is a huge priority and matter of urgency for you, it's not the most important thing that the hiring manager and HR will deal with today and yesterday. For all you know they had dozens of critical emails to deal with.



        There are just plenty of more important things to most managers than some employee they are trying to hire... who might not even accept the offer.



        If you don't hear back by maybe next Wednesday, send a followup that says "Hey, I haven't heard anything - let me know if you need anything else from me!"






        share|improve this answer













        that was yesterday morning. I got no response from them.




        Woah. Chill out. You asked them a question which likely requires both:



        • Talking to HR

        • Talking to the manager's manager

        This will not be immediate and might take a few days (or more). HR has a lot more concerns than just, "will Blue2Red take this job?" Especially if your counter was outside the money that the hiring manager had to "easily" budget



        Keep in mind that while this is a huge priority and matter of urgency for you, it's not the most important thing that the hiring manager and HR will deal with today and yesterday. For all you know they had dozens of critical emails to deal with.



        There are just plenty of more important things to most managers than some employee they are trying to hire... who might not even accept the offer.



        If you don't hear back by maybe next Wednesday, send a followup that says "Hey, I haven't heard anything - let me know if you need anything else from me!"







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        answered Apr 9 '15 at 17:31









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            It's not clear from your question how did you respond to the low ball offer, that changes the dynamics. If you haven't agreed with the low ball, it's totally ok to ask for more. As long as your request was reasonable, they shouldn't change their mind regarding hiring you. However, if you have agreed then changing your mind doesn't help you really.



            In general, these questions are very standard (maybe except from junior positions at large corporations) and you should prepare for them.



            Not getting a reply for a day is totally fine. Many people receive well over a hundred emails a day and it might take them a while to get back to you. Also, some people can't reply to this immediately (depending on who's the decision maker).



            Anyway, you should wait at least for 2 weeks before pinging them again.






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            • I responded to the low ball with the actual salary I know they pay in this place. as a result I got less than that. I am not impatient for now reason, up until now they kept pushing moving to the next level whenever it was possible, So radio silence for that long is atypical of what I have seen so far.
              –  Blue2Red
              Apr 9 '15 at 17:28















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            It's not clear from your question how did you respond to the low ball offer, that changes the dynamics. If you haven't agreed with the low ball, it's totally ok to ask for more. As long as your request was reasonable, they shouldn't change their mind regarding hiring you. However, if you have agreed then changing your mind doesn't help you really.



            In general, these questions are very standard (maybe except from junior positions at large corporations) and you should prepare for them.



            Not getting a reply for a day is totally fine. Many people receive well over a hundred emails a day and it might take them a while to get back to you. Also, some people can't reply to this immediately (depending on who's the decision maker).



            Anyway, you should wait at least for 2 weeks before pinging them again.






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            • I responded to the low ball with the actual salary I know they pay in this place. as a result I got less than that. I am not impatient for now reason, up until now they kept pushing moving to the next level whenever it was possible, So radio silence for that long is atypical of what I have seen so far.
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            It's not clear from your question how did you respond to the low ball offer, that changes the dynamics. If you haven't agreed with the low ball, it's totally ok to ask for more. As long as your request was reasonable, they shouldn't change their mind regarding hiring you. However, if you have agreed then changing your mind doesn't help you really.



            In general, these questions are very standard (maybe except from junior positions at large corporations) and you should prepare for them.



            Not getting a reply for a day is totally fine. Many people receive well over a hundred emails a day and it might take them a while to get back to you. Also, some people can't reply to this immediately (depending on who's the decision maker).



            Anyway, you should wait at least for 2 weeks before pinging them again.






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            It's not clear from your question how did you respond to the low ball offer, that changes the dynamics. If you haven't agreed with the low ball, it's totally ok to ask for more. As long as your request was reasonable, they shouldn't change their mind regarding hiring you. However, if you have agreed then changing your mind doesn't help you really.



            In general, these questions are very standard (maybe except from junior positions at large corporations) and you should prepare for them.



            Not getting a reply for a day is totally fine. Many people receive well over a hundred emails a day and it might take them a while to get back to you. Also, some people can't reply to this immediately (depending on who's the decision maker).



            Anyway, you should wait at least for 2 weeks before pinging them again.







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            answered Apr 9 '15 at 17:00









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            • I responded to the low ball with the actual salary I know they pay in this place. as a result I got less than that. I am not impatient for now reason, up until now they kept pushing moving to the next level whenever it was possible, So radio silence for that long is atypical of what I have seen so far.
              –  Blue2Red
              Apr 9 '15 at 17:28

















            • I responded to the low ball with the actual salary I know they pay in this place. as a result I got less than that. I am not impatient for now reason, up until now they kept pushing moving to the next level whenever it was possible, So radio silence for that long is atypical of what I have seen so far.
              –  Blue2Red
              Apr 9 '15 at 17:28
















            I responded to the low ball with the actual salary I know they pay in this place. as a result I got less than that. I am not impatient for now reason, up until now they kept pushing moving to the next level whenever it was possible, So radio silence for that long is atypical of what I have seen so far.
            –  Blue2Red
            Apr 9 '15 at 17:28





            I responded to the low ball with the actual salary I know they pay in this place. as a result I got less than that. I am not impatient for now reason, up until now they kept pushing moving to the next level whenever it was possible, So radio silence for that long is atypical of what I have seen so far.
            –  Blue2Red
            Apr 9 '15 at 17:28













             

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